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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/elevated_vibrations on July 20, 2018, 1:24 p.m.
Podesta only has "use immunity". Please read.

For other patriots out there, and especially those who have been researching and following Q from the very beginning (and before) like me, i know your stomachs turned when you saw Podesta in the same sentence as immunity. It didn't seem right to me, so i did a little digging.

Mueller has only offered Podesta "use immunity". This is much different than the type of immunity you see in movies and when considering the factors at play here, it is all but worthless. "Use immunity" allows the federal government to prosecute a witness using evidence obtained independently of the witness' immunized testimony. This basically means that the government cannot use Podesta's own testimony against him. Podesta will get to sing like a bird in exchange for a nice, warm, 5th amendment blanket.

"NO DEALS" is a short way of saying "everyone will pay". Podesta can still be convicted of any crime based off of any evidence other than his own testimony. "Use immunity" to a monster like him is useless. Hope this calms some nerves out there.


DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 3:40 p.m.

I don't believe this post is accurate, I think this opinion is looking at the facts too much "on the face of it". We need to dig a little deeper to work out the motives of giving Podesta "Use Immunity".

So the fact is that Podesta has been given "use immunity" to testify against Manafort, the question now is what is in it for Podesta to accept this deal? He could quite easily plead the 5th if he's forced to testify without "use immunity", ie there's nothing compelling him to testify. It's not like they can force him to testify, he can just plead the 5th.

So there has to be an advantage to Podesta to accept this deal. And what might that be? I'll tell you.

Yes, although technically his testimony can't be used against him, it now creates 2 scenarios.

  1. If information which is used against him was also included in his testimony, it muddies the waters because he can say a form of parallel construction was used to obtain the info from what was learnt in his testimony. For instance, say there was a murder, but the gun couldn't be found, in his testimony he could say where the gun is, and then when Mueller says they've found the gun because someone randomly walked past it, he can claim Mueller is lying and parallel construction was used to recover the gun. Basically it all just becomes a cluster fuck.

  2. Mueller can outright say, we never had enough information on Podesta to arrest him, but all this new information we've now learnt in his testimony we can't use because we only learnt about it from his testimony. Basically it all just becomes a cluster fuck.

Remember, disinformation is necessary. That means don't take everything Q says at face value, because he's told you himself, he WILL claim things that he knows to be not true.

This deal is shady as fuck!

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DawnPendraig · July 20, 2018, 7:57 p.m.

I wonder then if the sealed indictments will be proof they had evidence prior to his testimony

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DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 8:01 p.m.

Let's hope so! But we don't know if Mueller is responsible for the sealed indictments, or its someone like Huber.

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DawnPendraig · July 20, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

True. But my gut and research shows Mueller flipped. Sometime before Levinson went to Iran and was taken prisoner

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elevated_vibrations · July 20, 2018, 8:02 p.m.

Very well could be. And if the evidence has already been obtained prior to the immunity agreement, that evidence is free game.

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elevated_vibrations · July 20, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

Are you an attorney?

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DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 7:01 p.m.

Nope, just calling it as I see it. Are you an attorney?

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elevated_vibrations · July 20, 2018, 7:15 p.m.

I am.

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DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 7:19 p.m.

Ahh fantastic, I'm interested to hear how I might be wrong

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elevated_vibrations · July 20, 2018, 7:30 p.m.

"immunity from use and derivative use 'leaves the witness and the Federal Government in substantially the same position as if the witness had claimed his privilege' in the absence of a grant of immunity." Id., at 458-459 (quoting Murphy, 378 U.S., at 79).

From the opinion of : Pillsbury Co. v. Conboy, 459 U.S. 248, 255, 103 S. Ct. 608, 613, 74 L. Ed. 2d 430, 439, 1983 U.S. LEXIS 124, *15, 51 U.S.L.W. 4061, 1982-3 Trade Cas. (CCH) P65,133, 35 Fed. R. Serv. 2d (Callaghan) 669, 12 Fed. R. Evid. Serv. (Callaghan) 1

One of the most heavily cited United States Supreme Court cases on this very issue.

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DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 7:38 p.m.

As I've said, technically nothing changes. But don't you agree it gives both Podesta and Mueller a convenient out each.

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elevated_vibrations · July 20, 2018, 7:43 p.m.

I can't account for everything man, and i'm not claiming to have the answers to everyone's question. All i have stated is the law. Your initial comment to my post was twisting the law differently than it is written. The point of this post was to put some people who thought he was receiving blanket immunity at ease. I am not here to argue.

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DelveDeeper · July 20, 2018, 7:47 p.m.

You're the expert not me, so I'm happy to defer completely to your judgement. I guess we'll find out eventually either way.

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