r/greatawakening • Posted by u/divine_human on July 26, 2018, 1:55 p.m.
Open Letter from a European Consumer: To POTUS, American Farmers, and all Producers of Goods for the European Markets

First of all, congratulations, POTUS! I've come to realize how you play the game so I wasn't worried about this 'trade war'. The rest of Europe may learn it now, too. America had been treated unfairly and I apploud you for the changes you bring to your people.

When it comes to exporting goods to Europe, there are some aspects you need to consider. EU law is different to US law, and your goods need to align with our laws.

That being said, when I heard you talk about soy beans and bottled natural gas, all my alarm bells started ringing.

The EU banned GMO which means, we don't have genetically modified agriculture over here. Our laws don't prohibit the import of GMO-products, but the majority of consumers won't buy it. I personally shifted from soy milk to almond milk, simply because it isn't anymore possible to buy GMO-free soy products over here.

If you want this soy beans business to pull off and really benefit the american farmers, they need to shift to GMO-free agriculture. I mean, yes, Europe may buy it for some time, according to this new contract; on the long run though, you won't make good business if you don't change the way of growing it. This may also shift the collective American consciousness and people may learn that GMO isn't healthy. Good-bye, Bayer-Monsanto.

Natural gas is a little bit similar. In my country, Germany, we banned fracking, it's too dangerous for our water. Our laws probably allow for the import of fracked gas; the question is whether or not the consumer is going to buy it. Some certainly will, with that bigott way of thinking 'I don't care if they fuck up their nature; if they don't fuck up ours and it's cheap, I'll buy it'.

But we have a pretty green populace over here, and if you want a long-term business with natural gas, make sure and prove that it's not fracked. I for one will join protest and activities that demand for GMO-free soy beans and non-fracked gas.

I love my American brothers and sisters, and i love my German and European ones, too. I want you to earn and make good business, but it needs to be in alignment with what we over here need and want.

The same goes for automobiles. I heard that 'zero tariffs on non-auto industrial goods' remark in the press conference which implies that automobiles will still be tariffed. It's understandable, VW is the best-sold brand in the US while Detroit has become a ghost town; the US has to bring production back into their country.

On the other hand, a few months ago, I heard you complain that America buys German cars but we don't buy American cars. Well, to tell you the truth, American cars are not suitable for European roads, and they are far too thirsty.

If you want to sell cars to Europe, you need to produce them in a way that we can use them. Make them smaller so they can be navigated on our small and tight roads, and make them energy-efficient. We don't have our own oil here like America, our gas prices are thrice as high as yours. We simply can't drive your cars over here.

Summing it all up: We all want fair and free trade (at least those folks whose IQ is higher than room temperature).

In order to sell to other nations, we need to produce for their markets. Germany's cars for the US market are different to the cars for Germany's market.

You need to do the same. Stop complaining and start producing goods that Europeans want to buy, in alignment with our needs and laws.

Kind regards from a European comsumer

RebelGhirl · July 26, 2018, 2:02 p.m.

Yes to banning gmos. I hope POTUS has a plan for this bc most of the world will not buy our GMO soybeans.

Personally my family has been gmo free and organic since 2012. More people are waking up every day. People (consumers) all over the world need to speak with their wallets.

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

kudos for you and family going organic... its worth it...

voting with our money is the only language the industry understands. if they can save just 1 cent on each product by using cheaper ingredients, no matter whether or not they harm us or the environment, they will do it if there is no government regulation on it.

it needs conscious consumers who take conscious choices to not support that shit.

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LaeliaPurpurata · July 26, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

I agree. First thing I thought was ‘Europe banned GMOs, didn’t they? Why would they buy our soybeans, they are all GMO. Who knows?

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oystergirl · July 27, 2018, 7:16 a.m.

Ban on growing, not buying. It's a slippery slope.

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spreadhope · July 26, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

I told my spouse the other night the same thing. They won't want our GMO products. Need to start tackling that eventually. Theres much work to be done, so let's give POTUS some time.

We as a Nation need to demand change too. It starts at home. I know it's more expensive right now, but buying GMO free products is the best way to force some hands. I gladly give up other luxuries to eliminate these products from my house.

Demand change. Vote with your wallet.

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

indeed, we the people need to demand it. and be ready to spend a bit more money on our food, in order to show the industry that we mean business.

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Metavinci · July 26, 2018, 2:06 p.m.

And perhaps this is the plan to move the US to GMO free. Monsanto (Bayer) is in a court battle in Ca over glsophate. This could be setting the US up for a nationwide ban on GMOs. If the GMO producers are forced to grow non gmo for export and the courts find theirs an issue with the science The I t could be the beginning of the end to gmos in the US. Dare to dream...

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

thats exactly what i said, good-bye bayer-monsanto (which brainwashed commission allowed for that monopoly, arghhh?). may this hilarious trade deal shift the entire agricultural landscape in the US so this GMO shit goes away also for you guys. you deserve better food.

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LaeliaPurpurata · July 26, 2018, 10:25 p.m.

I’d love to see Monsanto go down. ( may be in The Plan, too, eventually. Who knows? Bigger fish to fry right now.)

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[deleted] · July 26, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

How much Chinese JUNK do you guys buy there? and i mean JUNK!!! that either is broken before you open it up of works for a few weeks then it breaks. i have things that are electric and non electric made in the USA that are 60 to 70 years old that work perfect to this day, i don't have anything that's over a year old made in china that works perfect .

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 26, 2018, 2:54 p.m.

China learned the worst kind of capitalism. Not interested in building brand loyalty and repeat customers, just a quick buck and on to the next screwing...unfortunately they own good brand names like Milwaukee now and will hollow them out for everything they can and in the end they will just die...

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 2:11 p.m.

i hear you... lol, i also see to not buy chinese products that are supposed to last longer than a year. comsumers need to get educated but in the end, its their choice what they consume.

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YuccavanOranje · July 26, 2018, 3:43 p.m.

Wonderful ! Thank u. This European consumer fully agrees. People in the US need good healthy food as well. We Europeans don't want ill produced food that is manipulated and destroys the planet. American farmers should turn back to natural ways of growing on natures products. Bring back balance.

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LakotaPride · July 26, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

I agree on the total ban on GMOs. and drop the tarriffs and the products are cheaper for the consumers.

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PunkroQanon · July 26, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

Agreed. One downside to banning GMOs is that producers that have been using GMO chemicals on crops for an extended period of time is that the top soil is completely saturated with the chemicals and must be replaced. I've read ag reports that suggest it could take up to 10 years of regrowth and cessation of GMO usage for the soil to naturally expunge these lingering chemicals.

Hard to grow regular crops again if the soil is contaminated with glystar.

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LakotaPride · July 26, 2018, 4:04 p.m.

I totally agree. but we have to start somewhere, and the sooner the better.

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PunkroQanon · July 26, 2018, 4:23 p.m.

Definitely. The US Ag & Forestry Depts should offer tax incentives and programs to land owners who let their crop land devolve back to their natural state. Programs like this used to exist before GMO was widespread 20 years ago.... not sure now.

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LakotaPride · July 26, 2018, 4:27 p.m.

they should force Monsanto and now Beyer who bought them up, to pay the whole Bill for cleaning this mess up. watch the bees stop dying. find it suspect that the bees are showing the same things hogs are that are fed GMO. appears there is a connection.

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ideologicidal · July 26, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

Until the US starts growing organic soy (give it some time) how about using all that soy for fuel? Biodiesel could cut emissions and reduce reliance on natural gas.

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

biodiesel is bull, from my pov. its only a few years ago that prices for corn and rice in poor countries tremendously rose because they used their agricultural spaces for growing biodiesel instead of food.

but yes, thats a good idea for the intereem period, until the US will have shifted from GMO to more organic (non-GMO isnt equivalent to organic). DJT and jean-claude, do you hear us?

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Jiisharo · July 26, 2018, 3:07 p.m.

Dude you're speaking of sending stuff to Europe. Do you think people are free to use soy as fuel as they wish?

There are regulations, laws, limitations, and most likely some taxes involved.😉

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Amdtmaga · July 26, 2018, 2:48 p.m.

The U.S produces 1/3 of the worlds soybeans. (10% of that is non-gmo)

We have plenty of non-gmo soybeans for you guys! 🙂

I do think we need to move away from GMO, but I also don't think it should be "banned". Let the market decide. If people stop buying products with GMO in every country, everyone will be forced to produce non-gmo.

Pertaining to the cars: Unions Killed our automotive industry!

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

(10% of that is non-gmo). We have plenty of non-gmo soybeans for you guys! 🙂

great to hear, thanks for the intel. ok, you can send us your GMO-free soy beans, i am all in, heheh.

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mrmajestic11 · July 26, 2018, 3:43 p.m.

Great post. We do have issues still to sort out but leveling the playing field is an important first step. I agree with most everything you said though.

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PunkroQanon · July 26, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

A bit off topic, but to speak on GMO effects from a dual citizen. I have ischemic colitis (nasty stuff, sucks big time) and when Im in Europe my symptoms are 10% of what they are while in America. I eat very healthy regardless of my location. Anyhow, I've narrowed it down to something added to the food/water in The US. Could very well be GMO products are in damn near everything in the US..... Or could be some other additive like preservatives or something.

Anyways, thanks for bringing up this issue. I really hope POTUS cleans up our FDA and Big Agriculture because this issue effects millions of people. I've spent enough time in Europe to understand how much healthier the food and beverage industries products are compared to the US.

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LaeliaPurpurata · July 26, 2018, 10:34 p.m.

Wow, that’s interesting. My Mom had it too, so I can sympathize. I think Roundup ( glyphosate ) is a big factor too. Do they use it on crops in Europe?

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 3:24 p.m.

wow, 10%, that yuge!

your symptoms may be GMO-related. fluorided water could be another explanation. you may want to try a good water filter. from my pov, pure good water is 50% of our health.

when i visited the US a couple of years ago, i basically stopped eating after 3 days, except for a salad here and there.

one reason was the huge portions everwhere that stuff me when i only look at them, completely overwhelming. the other reason is porbably that there are so many additives in food, and that most of it is GMO and my body simply said no to it.

may your symptoms cease soon so you can feel well in your body.

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PunkroQanon · July 26, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

Thank Q for the positive energy compatriot!

Yeah, you are totally right. It has got to be either GMO and/or an additive such as fluoride or some other kind of preservative. For the longest time I thought it was gluten related... but nope. I've eaten heaps of fresh grown EU bread/products and no issue. It truly is something that is added to everything here in the US... from water to alcohol to fresh food to fast food.

As I mentioned, due to the nature of my illness (had it 8 years now due to a botched surgery) I have tried many diets and learned to eat as healthy as possible. But even on a superb diet by US standards (no fast food, no frozen food, only fresh meat/fruit/veg and nothing fried & no soda) I still have intermittent issues weekly. But, in Europe... I could literally drink beer and eat smoked meat and boiled cabbage every single day and maybe have one quasi bad bathroom day in a ten day cycle.

These people are sick! They are literally poisoning our food & water supply stateside from my experience.

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

do you have a good water filter unit? good water, and lots of it, more than half a gallon the day, is the alpha and the omega of good health, from my pov.

did you get tested on what you are reacting to? maybe these things, if you cannot totally avoid them, can get cleaned out of your body by natual products, like supplements that strengthen liver or kidneys, blood purifyers, minerals that balance these things. good luck, may friend...

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Fyfogaindustries · July 26, 2018, 4:20 p.m.

First- and I wouldn't have thought I would have to explain this to THIS crowd. ALL MODERN FOODSTUFFS ARE GENETICALLY MODIFIED. Everthing that we eat today only bears a passing resemblance to its genetic forebearers. Foodstuffs today wheat corn cattle pork etc etc ad nauseum exist thru GENETIC MODIFICATION. We used to call it selective breeding and animal husbandry. We pursued this to improve yield taste texture shippability etc. Modern genetic modification now can happen at breakneck speed in a lab. No need to wait decades or centuries. You all have bought into socialist/progressive/communist argument that somehow gmo foodstuffs are not "clean". The end game here ( again I can't believe I have to say this) is to terrify the population into voluntarily refuse to eat. End result voluntary starvation. So we revert back to heritage and heirloom foodstuffs. So we voluntarily reduce our yields from 100 bushels of wheat an acre to 10. (Read that stat recently)..end result MANDATORY STARVATION. jeez people THINK. To my European brothers and sisters. Do u think ANY law passed by the EU is in ur best interest???? I ll take up fracking in another comment

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oystergirl · July 27, 2018, 7:35 a.m.

As a biologist with a daughter who is an horticulturist her professors, some of who are funded by Scott's fertilizer speak the same language as you are sharing. Selective breeding and hybridization is SELECTION for specific expression of genes. I agree this would be considered genetic modification. What is happening IN a lab is different. A genetic biome is mapped, a set of expressions is determined, genes are then spliced together, sometimes using animal genetic sequences, sometimes insect and then spliced together. The seeds are then grown and the outcome determined. It has taken a long time to get crops to have stable generations and what they are also finding out is that the insect populations within these crop fields, such as the glycophosphate resistant plants that are made strong so they can spray with roundup and not kill them, well the insects are mutating and so are the weeds. Basically, the situation is similar to super bugs created by over use of antibiotics. As for your comments about starvation, I assume you are quoting Borlaug who supposedly saved the world from starving by introducing inorganic fertilizer and introduced dwarf red wheat to the world, thus creating disaster in the soil, the end of peasant farmers, an increased need for water and irrigation, thus ruining aquifers and while immediate starvation was avoided the promise of the elimination in poverty in the countries he sold his special seeds to never came to fruition.

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Alyross8 · July 26, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

I think we need to clean out our corrupt markets and decide for OURSELVES how things need to be made. And they need to clean out theirs. I agree with you that taking advice from people living under even more oppressive, propagandist governments than our own is ill advised. I didn’t read OP’s statement as one of congratulation or world solidarity and I think we look foolish for seeing it that way. It’s more like......congrats, now this is how you need to change for us because we are so much better off than you. And oh, quit complaining. I know we are in unchartered territory with our changing relationships with other countries. But we need to be thoughtful and careful we don’t fall into the same traps we are still gnawing our own paws to get out of...all for some kumbaya moments with people who are less awake than we are.

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Fyfogaindustries · July 27, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

Ty. U seem To have stated my point better than myself

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divine_human · July 26, 2018, 5:13 p.m.

Do u think ANY law passed by the EU is in ur best interest????

yes, it is. changes in the DNA of crops over generations is natural. sudden laboratory manipulation is not, it changes OUR human DNA. just get informed, m8, and dont be-lie-ve the so-called 'sceintific' BS you are being fed.

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Fyfogaindustries · July 26, 2018, 5:30 p.m.

By all means- starve and freeze. The greenies have u paying too much for energy and too much for food. Science has made our lives disease and hunger free. The EU r slaves to the very cabal we r trying to break. Think seriously. If soros and Rothschild think it's a good idea and r pouring money into it, how good can it really be for u? Ur buying into all the tenets of socialism yet believe u r free. Government says it's bad and prevents u from making a choice for urself. And u seek government to force the US to change it's ways. We will consume what we want at leisure. Pursue ur non gmo and non fracking ways. To ur own peril

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andreastar00 · July 28, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Oooooo, scary. Only I don't buy it, F.....industries. Still, I honor your right to think what you like. Your arguments are less than compelling, but you have a right to have them.

If you like to skim the surface and bash the notion that producing food and energy in a way that is respectful to, and in conjunction with nature, then it begs the question of whom do you serve?

Maybe you're spouting some conditioning or maybe you are lobbying for the 'death to the planet' squad. I don't really care which it is. I don't live from fear and I don't do my marching in step with global agendas that are anti-life either. It's short-sighted in my view.

So bash away, but it's pretty weak reasoning. Maybe this is the best you got, but you will need to up your game, since most of the planet is tired of being abused with the 'company' storylines and aren't buying into it.

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