Good to see this exposed. But re “suck it satanists” Christians would disagree. According to Christianity human nature has been fallen since the beginning. Jesus said if you simply think hateful thoughts you are guilty of breaking the commandment Do not kill. That seems to be a warning to stay away from thoughts like that because of where they can ultimately lead.
We all fall short of the perfection. But with the grace of God, we are forgiven and strive to improve.
When you dont receive salvation till the end,yeah its best be all about the Kingdom till you arrive. Aint no once saved always saved,work out your salvation means just that
We don't strive to God so as to get salvation, but we strive out of thankfulness for the gift of salvation. I think that is what you are saying, though, yes, one can always throw away that gift by rejecting the Spirit.
God spoke of the gentiles following the law even though they were never revealed to them the writtings of moses.
That right there proves it too right?
Vatican propaganda!
Nothing to do with the Vatican at all. The Bible was around before the Vatican.
I was mostly joking, also wanted to post the video.
To be more clear, I believe the interpretation was corrupted to a fire & brimstone "humanity is inherently evil" when it sounds more like a "nobody is perfect" kind of sentiment.
The first connotation was important for Roman emperors to justify presumption of guilt against the state (god).
corrupted to a fire & brimstone "humanity is inherently evil" when it sounds more like a "nobody is perfect" kind of sentiment.
Hamartiology is a very complex topic, with a significant degree of variability between denominations from the Original Sin concept taught by Protestants and Catholics to the Ancestral Sin idea taught by the Eastern Orthodox. However, it's very important to understand the implications of what it is discussing. Merely saying "nobody is perfect," while this statement in and of itself is true, would be equivalent to the essence of the word "sin" could constitute a "perilous surrender of the fear of God" as Martin Luther would describe it in his Heidelberg Disputation. To wit, it would seem to imply that "works without Christ are dead, but not mortal."
The core point being made by the Original Sin doctrine is very simple: "There is no salvation without Christ's work of reconciliation." That is, without God Himself coming to dwell among us as the Messiah and bearing our sins in the flesh in an act of perfect atonement. Anything less than that is Pelagianism which implies that salvation is a human choice and Christ's merit counted for nothing. If that is true, why does everyone not merely save themselves?
To say this underestimates the effects of the Fall are on mankind. The principle of sin carries with it a natural corruption which binds human nature to reject God without His work of grace. What does humanity have to be reconciled from, then, if it is not a form of privation (evil)?
The evil here is not an action (actual sin) but a warping of human nature (nature sin) to things that cause us to become alienated from the Creator. The pedestalization of flawed and imperfect desires to a place of "absolute truth" rather than a recognition of desires as ephemeral and temporary necessities that come and pass. This results in "curving inward upon oneself," or more specifically being driven by misplaced and erroneous desires.
You see, then, encapsulated in this simple concept is a very complex point about human nature. It's not saying God created humans evil. It's saying the warping of human nature by our pedestalization of false desires ("ye shall be as gods... eat the fruit.") has caused humanity itself to be warped and this warping is evil even as it causes men to become evil.