I'm glad to see this place didn't actually shut down for good, even if I've rarely been here.

A whole hell of a lot has happened since the first time I came here, and I suspect I've actually been able to pin down the meat of the issue facing us at the dawn of this era. Unfortunately I can't really share the entire scope of what I'm seeing, due to both the limits of the medium and the nature of the plan in motion, but I did want to share the critical detail at the heart of everything:

Do you believe that the average person has a good nature, or a bad nature? Every person will have to answer that question for themselves in their own heart.

I hope you guys are really going to like what's about to happen.

>>13889

Let me put it this way then: Do you think strangers are generally trustworthy or not?

Arguing semantics over specific word choices will only distract you from the true ideas that people attempt to communicate.

Ancient humans learned how to smelt ore in primitive furnaces, heating it until the metal evaporated and then collected on the walls of the furnace in a pure form, which could then be used to create superior tools. They had no idea why it worked, yet they still managed to figure out how it worked.

That possibility still exists today, freely available for those who can look beyond the familiar. The ability to concretely define why something works is not a prerequisite for taking advantage of it.

The vast majority of the world has been closed to those who have been convinced that complete understanding must come first.

>>13903

No

>>13905

Nothing specific like you're thinking, really. I'll try expanding though.

All things which exist can fall into one of two categories: Things that we know and things that we don't know.

Having direct knowledge of something for ourselves is not a prerequisite for that thing to exist, and it can still have a very real impact upon the things that we do know.

It is wholly possible for us to use the things which we do know about in creative ways to step into the realm of things which we don't know and return with something that is real and useful, even if we don't know exactly what that is.

Obviously there are some significant dangers involved, yet as with anything if you ignore the world that we don't know entirely, you will be at the mercy of those who do learn how to make use of it.

>>13909

> That could mean I could change the world with simply just loving me… The ripples of that would be felt by all.

Yea, I really can't say much about that with certainty, but I agree completely that it definitely seems to work.

When I thought that I was too small to matter at all, and cared nothing for myself, I saw the world descending into chaos.

When I became suspicious of what you're suggesting, and I started working hard to better myself, it was like the world came alive and people started caring, started acting.

Honestly I really can't tell if I'm causing a ripple effect, if I'm being influenced by the same force that is influencing others, or if it even matters at all.

But it definitely seems to work.

>>13922

To an extent.

Language is a limited approximation of our actual thoughts though, and lacks the complexity necessary to convey what's really there.

You also need to consider that words do not share the exact same meaning to everyone, as our perceptions of words are coloured by our experiences, and how we learned to use them in the first place.

I worry about those with broad access to Internet chat logs, who seem to imagine that they can divine what people truly believe by peeping on their private conversations.

If you intrude too deeply into anyone's mind, you WILL find things that you don't understand or appreciate, because you lack the context that the rest of their life gives to why such things appeal to them.

One challenge I keep facing is that people sometimes like to believe they have me pegged as a fool because I can be very free with my trust, and then they try to take advantage of that they find themselves in hot water when they discover there's actually a whole lot more going on than they imagined.

I've struggled my whole life to understand why it's so hard to see eye to eye with others. I really wish that I could because if I knew how to convey the depth of the beauty that I see in the world I can't imagine that people would despair.

That is the challenge that free will presents though, and I would rather face that challenge together than attempt to deny people their individuality.

I tried something interesting the other day, and I got a potentially interesting result. Honestly don't really know what to think about it at the moment, but I wanted to share in case someone else finds it interesting for their own reasons.

So anyways, a bit over a week ago (maybe a week and a half?) I was thinking about some of the things discussed here recently related to a collective unconsciousness (and a related idea I've had, which I'll make a separate post about soon), As I'm not a big fan of buying into ideas just because they 'feel' right, and I am a big fan of observing probable cause and effect to test ideas, I thought that perhaps the conditions were right to test this.

I wanted to try suggesting something to the (supposed) collective unconsciousness that, should it be adopted by a large number of people all at the same time it would be blatantly obvious to anyone monitoring the data, while being near invisible to the average person to reduce the probability of transmission through the familiar world.

I figured that we are all rather ticked off with the malicious abuse of media attempting to control public perception, and so as an expression that we're sick of this shit, we can decide to all drop all media/social media effective immediately.

At first I found it easier than I expected to simply not even check and see what was being said online. Though I was unaware that it was happening at first, it seems that the media absolutely exploded soon after attempting to provoke mass-hysteria. As my day-to-day routine has been greatly disrupted by this panic, it has made it nearly impossible to be completely disconnected, as I need to keep up to date on what is/isn't open anymore. The whole notion of social isolation also provides a very strong motivation for anyone who was disconnected to get back online.

Ultimately I feel that this, once again, falls into the category of "well that's interesting, but there's no clear evidence of a connection," yet I do find it very interesting still. I also want to open up more and be more forthcoming with what I'm looking at, as I really feel that I'm past the point where keeping everything quiet serves me.

On the Shape of the World

Roughly a year ago I was reading through Nicholas Copernicus' "On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres," (proving the movement of the Earth for the first time) to try and get a sense of what sort of thought process could be used to challenge the commonly held perspectives about the world.

While doing this I set myself to imagine what other possible shapes our world could take that contradict my currently held biases, while remaining in line with the facts as I understand them.

I considered how the vast majority of the universe appears to be completely dark to us, and the the majority of what we are able to observe is by way of the electromagnetic spectrum, and that we 'detect' the presence of dark matter through it's effects on electromagnetic radiation. I thought that this seemed to resemble the workings of a projector with stars acting as bulbs, dark matter serving a a focusing lens, and our individual perspectives set as a screen (to simplify it tremendously).

I wondered if this might be a way to describe a mechanism for a collective unconsciousness with a relatively small cast of primary characters, retold repeatedly throughout our familiar world.

Unfortunately I'm still some ways off from actually having the skills to meaningfully pursue such a theory (and I expect my theories will shift as I do pursue further education anyways). That said, I have developed methods to pursue such ideas without losing my mind by buying into unproven nonsense. I like to set goals that would be solid ideas on their own, even without being connected to some wild hypothetical theory, and so I set upon basic self improvement of my everyday life very seriously. Obviously this was going to be a tremendous boon for myself anyways, and if I was correct about many people being projected from a common source then it would be tremendous for society.

I can't really speak to the broader effectiveness of what I've been doing, my personal career has certainly surged forwards much faster than I anticipated. What I described in my previous post was a much more recent continuation of this same stream of thought.

>>14047

>Gut feeling that pyshecdelics create a clear transmission in heroic doses to the ascended master within that has access to the knowledge of the stars and the contact that will ensue.

That resonates with me. I've long believed that psychedelics don't show you an inaccurate picture of the world, but rather an unfamiliar one. Much like a baby first waking up has absolutely no clue whatsoever what to make of the world, the altered state of mind can be incomprehensible and result in hallucinations when you can't entirely interpret what you are experiencing. As a person does become more familiar and learns to interpret these experiences they can compare them to the sober state of mind and learn new things from the contrast between the two.

It's actually been a while since I've gotten hallucinations from anything, but it certainly still gets my mind racing.

>>14058

I think that there are likely multiple scenarios prepared by every major player for how this tech will be utilized. A lot like in chess, whoever has been able to accurately plan the most moves ahead will come out on top with their scenario dominant. I think that viewing the situation from that perspective, there is strong reason to hold hope for the works of free people as we have clearly witnessed over the past 100 years just how potent the imaginations of free people can be.

One thing that should be abundantly clear to anyone who can look at the state of modern society honestly is that technology will eclipse human ability so far as it relates to structuring society. The question that follows after accepting that truth is: what problems exactly are we asking machines to solve. If someone attempts to task machines with solving problems that are built on false assumptions, or to assist in establishing a falsehood as fact, the task will be critically flawed because the best possible solution will be off limits. This means that even with the exact same technology, those who use it honestly and earnestly to solve real problems will be fundamentally more likely to succeed. Just look at all the attempts to create AI that have been shut down because the AI keeps reaching undesirable conclusions.

For much the same reason that free societies have absolutely dominated the western world, they will continue to dominate on the global stage because any system built upon lying about what people are is fundamentally incapable of taking advantage of the greatest opportunities.

>>14139

Thanks for the well wishes, I'm doing fantastic right now. I'm so extremely excited about what's happening right now. We're certainly up against some enormous challenges in the immediate future, but those are the kind I like the best.

I'm also really questioning some visions of the future that I had early in life, which I always wondered about but previously assumed were probably just my imagination. This all seems extremely familiar too me. If I'm correct about this, then I expect the end of this will be extremely good, and likely the beginning of a new golden age.

I'm keeping busy at work thankfully, as my personal improvement efforts finally landed me in a great position where I feel as if I can do a lot to contribute to our immediate problems right now.

My heart breaks for all the people I hear wailing in despair right now, because I really wish I could show them the beautiful future I see.

The Plan

Waking up in an unfamiliar world alone the first man methodically, over many generations, built the world from his body outward. The boundary of the world has become so vast in so many directions (time, space, scale) that it is only through great effort that one might encounter it anymore. Yet that boundary still exists, beyond which nothing at all is known, and it completely eclipses our world.

It is the chaos of that unknown, invisible world that our very reality itself defies. It seems as though such a wildly one-sided imbalance should be wholly impossible to overcome. It seems as though such a tiny, fragile creature such as man should stand no chance when faced with the enormity of all the cosmos.

But man was very clever, and noticed something explainable within the world. It seemed as though the world in which man lived was not exactly the same as the world in which those around him lived. Man discovered that he was not, in fact, alone in this world and that there were many others with many unique perspectives on the world.

Man was captivated by these others he found all around him, and their ability to show him wondrous new things that he had been entirely ignorant of his whole life. Wanting to know ever more about each other, languages developed to share ever more intimate thoughts.

Much of what was discussed was of course the ever present dangers of the natural world which seemingly conspired to kill them at every opportunity. How was it then, that such small creatures as men should survive in such conditions? Through the communal sharing of knowledge by way of debate, the keeping of records or building of monuments, for ages men have worked tirelessly to develop their knowledge and pass it along to the next generation before being consumed by the universe.

Steadily we have built a series of beacons connecting the ages throughout time so that we may all stand hand in hand against the chaos beyond the edges of the known world. Waiting for the day that the fruits of our labours should finally tip the scale in our favour.

Everything has been for the day that we finally expose and clash directly with the devil himself.

The Invisible Enemy

Much like dark matter, it appears to be impossible to look at this enemy directly. We can recognize his presence in the world not by measuring him, but rather by measuring the impact that he has upon those near him.

For a long time now it has been so incredibly easy to just coast through life, never even being certain if what you are doing is taking you in a positive direction. So we got a lot of people exploring a lot of really out there ideas because they had the spare time and tools to do so. This isn't really that bad on it's own, but because this often led to ignoring really basic principles of living he holds enough power to slowly erode the foundations of our society.

Now that there are so many people all over the world suddenly finding that just living day to day is not so easy, There are some people, who have lived so deeply inside the lies of our society that they've never even seen the real world, who will try desperately to sell you a comfortable fiction to soothe the stress.

This enemy may be daunting. More so than any other that I've ever faced in fact. However, as I connect the series of beacons left behind throughout human history by the great people who came before us, one message snaps into focus:

We have been here before a great many times, and no matter how bad things have gotten we have overcome again and again and again, and we always end up stronger because of it even if things change more than we would like them too.

We will overcome this too, as we have always done before.

We will defeat this invisible enemy together.

>>14160

Gold is the most typical representation of wealth.

I've always had a very stand offish relationship with money, and I almost always will favour pursuing personal development over accumulating wealth. The reason for this is that I believe wealth can very easily make it appear from your perspective as if you are very successful. As long as your wealth remains this illusion remains, unassailable to the forces around you. The thing is, what wealth really represents is the laboring of others. If you hold wealth you obtain the power to decide what the fruits of those labours will be.

The accumulation of vast quantities of wealth can corrupt a person's decision making process by making it difficult to recognize what's happening in the real world, because you are so deeply entrenched in the illusion your wealth creates.

The Information World

I feel pretty strongly that a lot of what I hear and see around the issues discussed here can actually be explained rather simply without the need to invoke some of the wilder ideas. Essentially there are two major worlds that we are living in simultaneously: The familiar physical world and another information world.

However you choose to explain an idea, be it aliens, spirits or gods, the ideas that populate the information world are all related to each other in some way. This mesh of relationships between ideas can, when only one small segment is observed, appear to act as a unique entity with it's own motivations.

As much as I know about consciousness, that the potential for developing one exists within any system sufficiently complex, these ideas may very well actually be conscious. I've certainly always held from a young age that my ideas are the essence of who I am.

This would also suggest that we ourselves exist somewhere on this mesh of information, and that the mesh is comparable to the topography of the physical world. If you want to be somewhere other than where you are now you can't just decide you want to be there, you have to actually learn and train and follow the trail of connected ideas that exists between where you are and where you want to be.

This seems to me that it would be able to explain a lot of experiences that people have with supernatural phenomena, and also a functional mechanism magic/rituals (which, funny enough, is literally how stage magic works: by manipulating what information is available to the audience to alter their perception of the world).

>>14262

>Do you think the [Wizards & Warlocks] are really looking at this board from time to time?

I would be absolutely shocked if they weren't. People have gathered here in search of a higher purpose for their lives. That is the exact thing that many of these sorcerers appear to be attempting to separate the general public from.

There's also the fact that the entire technology we're using here was deliberately created as an intelligence asset. We also know that the alphabet agencies have shown a keen interest in these topics before.

Are you guys seeing this shit?

>>14262

>Do you think the [Wizards & Warlocks] are really looking at this board from time to time?

>>14317

That answers that then.

>>14344

If you actually won already, you'd just claim the victory.

Obsessing over trying to convince everyone that you've already won is strong evidence that you aren't actually anywhere close, and you seem to believe that tricking people into giving up is your best shot.

Essentially, you're showing everyone your weakness and insecurity. You're showing us that you don't actually think you're strong enough.

>>14347

>As if an American internal political civil war could ever be a global holy war.

That's only the most recent place this has manifested, not what it's actually about. But then you already know that don't you.

Maybe you can answer something I've really been wondering about for a while: Why is it that [you] seem to be shooting for the top, while using strategies entirely dependent upon holding an inferior position? Like, you do realize that you literally can't reach the top if your entire game plan revolves around being second place, right?

Well, best of luck anyways I guess?

>>14351

I guess the mundane answer was all I could really expect.

You're thinking too small.

If really want to win, all you need to do is ask.

>>14360

I've seen him around elsewhere before. He's an interesting guy. Glad I got the chance to interact directly here, it cleared a few things up for me.

You definitely don't have to worry about people who feel the need to solicit your consent for your own defeat.

Just wish people like that would wake up and remember who they are already, but I guess everyone has a different road to travel.

>>14360

>agency bad guy wizards…

I realize I should also highlight here that there were actual US politicians that held the official title of "Wizard" not that long ago.

>>14369

>But to do so now, would be one less voice, speaking out, that's not AI

Don't worry too much about that. The reality we face right now is that it is impossible for living humans to make a meaningful impact on Internet discourse if you're setting yourself up in opposition to the AIs. Alternately, what you do and how you act in the real world is seen by other real humans, and they will emulate the good behaviors of those who they see doing well.

When you get yourself too wrapped up in the online world, you necessarily submit yourself to manipulation by those who control the environment. By spending time in the natural world you submit to manipulation by god.

The impact you have will be measured not by the quantity of your words, but by their force. Taking the time to reflect, reorganize and center yourself can actually be significantly more effective.

>>14378

>How do you raise and educate an army of magicians?

Been thinking about something related recently.

Earlier I had talked about video games and the perspective of the king. Something unique about most games, as compared to the real world, is that there are only a limited number of fixed elements to consider in everything you do. This allows the player to focus completely on the immediate task at hand without anxiety over what else might happen. This seems to me as though teaching people to think in this way could provide a framework for problem solving that can be extremely effective in the real world. Indeed it has been seen in studies that gamers tend to make effective decisions more quickly and with less information than the average person.

Certainly I have long held the opinion that our society is absolutely full of people who have taken mastery of problem solving well beyond anything we've seen before. They're just all focused on matters of personal interest rather than trying to affect the world.

>>14395

>Our thoughts are about to be manifested

I really don't know how I feel about this.

Deep inside I've always believed that what you're saying is true, because I feel as if I've seen it all happen before many times over.

Do you know what divine power is, used as a weapon? It will scour the multiverse to find the weakest version of yourself, and attack you there.

If the weakest version of yourself can weather that attack, there is nothing that can possibly stop you.

This is rigged and it always has been. The truth won't be easy for everyone to swallow, but it will be impossible to deny.

Just remember that beyond everything else, you are loved.

I will NEVER give up on you.

>>14405

Interesting passage. A similar thread to one of my own.

Is it possible to defeat god?

I propose a thought experiment to consider this question: Assuming that god is the sum total of all things in this universe, then you can assume that you are the god of your own mind as all things within it are part of your self.

Is it possible for a character you create within your imagination to defeat you?

There is one way. That character would require your willing assistance.

What kind of character could you even imagine which you would be willing to help in your own defeat? What is your ideal person?

Seek out this character, do everything you can to assist them in their journey. In turn god will seek you out and strive to lift you up.

If your heart is full of fear and anxiety, and you struggle to suppress this character, so too will god hold you down in accordance with your own wishes.

>>14418

This actually happens to converge with my specific area of practical study, and there are indeed a number of ways that an electron can carry information.

Spin states are what comes to mind first, and they have some very curious properties that have been observed.

A "time crystal" can be (and has been) created where the spin states of numerous particles align at regular intervals, with no observed connection to their states between these intervals.

The states of multiple particles can also be linked through entanglement, where what happens to one is mirrored by the other despite no physical connection between them.

I also want to leave a paper here for anyone who might know enough to understand it. I certainly need to further my own studies before I can really grasp the technical details.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160128122011.htm

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspa.2015.0670

Here's an interesting experiment to try.

Hold your arm out straight in front of you.

Now picture yourself lifting your arm in your mind.

Now actually lift your arm.

Think about how those two situations are different.

>>14423

I can appreciate what you're saying. I like to say that science explains the things that we do know, and spirituality explains the things that we don't know. I do need to keep in mind that they are two different languages and should not be carelessly mixed.

>>14432

Science can, eventually, explain the same things that we explain through spirituality today. There is a limit to our scientific knowledge though, and yet the universe still exists and still matters beyond just those things that we currently understand scientifically, and that is where spirituality plays it's role.

So it would seem that people have likely found an entirely new type of particle that doesn't fit nicely into the standard model of physics.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.09615.pdf

https://www.livescience.com/63692-standard-model-broken-supersymmetry-new-physics.html

Was reading a abbreviated history of meme magic today, and it really took me back. I never imagined back in 2016 that thing would ever come this far. Kek is certainly one crazy fucker.

That got me thinking. What is Kek's identity? He embodies chaos and the world beyond the reach of the light. It would seem to me that, so long as a person follows the best path forwards Kek would hold comparatively little influence upon you. If, however, a person lies about the world and instead follows a different path, then the strongest path would exist outside of the light of your world and in Kek's domain.

I just realized. This whole time I've been moving very slowly and carefully because I didn't want to risk screwing up what appeared to be going pretty well for a lot of people.

Things really aren't going so smoothly anymore.

No more reason to hold back. I wonder how strong I actually am.

>>14492

>Why hold yourself back from your full potential?

Early in life I found that the impact I had upon those around me was largely disproportionate from what was expected, and careless words would sometimes hurt people I cared for much more than expected. When exploring ideas that had the potential to significantly disrupt the status quo I was concerned about the potential impact of a careless move.

>Things are as smooth as can be expected, Anon.

>What did you expect, Primrose Lane?

Oh, certainly things are well in general. The things is, one of the large hurdles I found was that my understanding of the world was at odds with those around me. Now that things have unfolded this way I realize that was because I was more in tune with where we were really headed. This is exactly what I expected, I just kept second guessing myself because things seemed to be going so smoothly for a lot of people.

>Not sure what you are alluding to, but if it is inciting violence you can count me out.

Absolutely not. That's a fool's path, and I believe that one reason (there are others) it gets promoted is to destroy people who aren't prepared to face reality's full force. Beyond that, for someone such as I gathering enough force and legitimacy to actually accomplish something meaningful that way is well out of reach. There are much better ways to achieve one's goals though. Consider this:

A two dimensional man in a two dimensional world (pic related) would never be able to get inside that box to reach the star because there is an uninterrupted barrier fully surrounding it. If however, that two dimensional man can figure out how to act through the third dimension then he can simply reach around the two dimensional barrier and obtain the star.

Hard to believe we finally made it here.

I'm seeing people everywhere recognizing that there are only a very small handful of specific individuals who actually want us to fight each other. When you shine a spotlight on those individuals, turns out they're actually undercover cops, out of state or otherwise not what they represent themselves as.

>>12752

>>14501

This is a war involving higher order entities. From the individual perspective of any given human it may very well appear that either everything is good or everything is terrible, simply because there are limits to how much information the brain can process.

What you're seeing right now is just an echo of something that happened a long time ago in a far off place. We now have the privilege of watching what happened for ourselves.

This is the story of the absolute victory of the light.

So much absolutely bizarre synchronicity between my personal growth and the challenges the world presents. Started in my early life with rather simple personal matters (interpersonal issues, permanent injury), but once I started really establishing myself and having a greater impact it's as if the entire world itself rises up to oppose me. And my personal milestones always precede the escalation of challenges.

I still feel that there is a reasonable chance that it's simply over-active pattern recognition on my part, but damn it's getting spooky.

Thought I might test the waters and throw something out there for funsies that nothing in the wider world could know without literally getting in my head: I woke up briefly not too long ago. Like literally, physically woke up from this world as if it were a dream. It felt as if I moved in a direction that I had previously been unaware of even existing. There was someone there, I think holding me, and I think they were trying to wake me up. I fell asleep again almost immediately, and the memory of the "direction that I moved' has largely faded.

It reminded me strongly of the strangest dream I've ever had, from my early life. I don't remember a lot of the dream itself, though I can recall a small handful of scenes, and that it was apparently a 300 year life in a very alien world. That's not the strange part though: At the very end of the dream I said goodbye to my soul mate and explained that I had to leave for another world because the people there were going to need my help. Then I woke up, literally traveling to another world distinct from my dream world.

I honestly wonder if I'm crazy sometimes, but if the line between insanity and genius is success… why the fuck do I just keep getting stronger and more capable while following these threads?

>>14491

Just want to make it explicit that you all literally just witnessed the world explode immediately after I hit another major milestone in my personal growth.

>>14515

If you've been living with the illusion that you can approach the deepest secrets of the universe without risking everything, up to and including your own mind (or even eternal damnation), you're kind of an idiot. Warnings about the dangers of magic are not idle threats.

>>14523

Probably the most important thing I could suggest is to follow your own interests, and use what you hear from others only as inspiration rather than a guide.

You can see the messages that I left my first time here starting with the first post in this very thread. >>12406

To re-hash perhaps the most important point: Approaching a problem from multiple perspectives can help you see things that were invisible before.

Consider looking at the world through one eye: you get a certain amount of information. If you look at the world with the other eye, you get roughly the same amount of information. Yet if you look at the world through both eyes you gain depth perception by comparing and contrasting each image, and you gain even more information than just the sum of both.

>>14533

https://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm

>That which is above is from that which is below, and that which is below is from that which is above, working the miracles of one.

Past and future

Master and slave

Gods and men

Top up and bottom down

The duality of man

>>14536

>In your knowing what is beyond duality?

The trinity. The third perspective is created by the harmonious union of duality. This is who we are, not just our past and not just our future but at the intersection of the two.

>How does one define one's knowledge to be relatable to another?

If I could figure that one out, things would be a whole lot easier. I like to consider the space between individuals as something like the divide between classical and quantum physics. We don't have any clear translation between the two systems, but with effort we can ferret out what works and what doesn't.

I feel that this is the foundation of the nuclear family and why it works so well. By partnering with one specific individual we can come much closer to knowing each other than through any other arrangement.

>How does science reconcile the spiritual or vice-versa?

I like to think of science as explaining the world that we have mapped out so far, and spirituality explaining how we interact with phenomena that we have yet to understand well enough to draw up a scientific theory. You might notice that if you consider the trinity, there is a place where they intersect.

I don't think it's by chance that we have been taught since we were young to think as if science and religion are mutually exclusive perspectives. Anyone who thinks such a thing would never even consider searching for that intersection where they can become something even greater.

>Does music bridge the gap between all densities

I have long wondered if the reason for mankind's remarkable success in this world might be a result of our ability to appreciate beauty. Perhaps it is our strong desire to seek out those things which we find beautiful that provides us a compass for finding the harmonious resonance between different things.

>>14543

Well, how would you like the meat of the matter itself? Because everything I've done up until now just snapped into focus for me.

Perhaps the very first question that I asked which led me down this path was why, unlike the three spacial dimensions, do we seem unable to move freely through the time dimension. I felt as though I were a prisoner of time, chained within it's cell.

That has changed recently though. As I posted here earlier, we have very recently broken the perfect symmetry of time, and with the power of electricity we have begun to unlock the secrets of the last great Titan, Cronus.

>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160128122011.htm

Jesus, look at that date.

We bared our fangs at Cronus and now he's coming to try and wipe us out before we can take him down.

Now, if this is really what's happening then visions of the future are true, and that would mean we're well prepared for this fight.

It's [time] for the BIG guy to fall!

>>14544

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ce7vue/the_saturn_time_cube_megathread/

This was what I came across that made everything click for me. I've never before read a theory that fit so perfectly with my own inquiry that I felt as if I knew exactly what it was about from the very start. I won't claim to be incapable of mistakes, but I've never before felt so confident in challenging the established narrative of our world.

>>14544

I'm working on a significantly longer explanation of what I'm seeing here, but I wanted to leave a quick note for anyone reading now that it seems to me that the myth we know is an account of the previous event from a certain significant perspective. I'm not convinced that it accurately relates how things might unfold this time.

>>14546

This has really taken off, and I find myself in awe of how beautifully it weaves together all of the threads that I have been following throughout my life. Later on I want to delve into strategy, as well as relating some of the utterly bizarre synchronicity that I've encountered upon my path. For now though, here is my initial analysis of the situation:

I really don't know why it wasn't more obvious to me before that there is still a Titan in this world, but +time+ has remained an unassailable mystery of the universe for all of recorded history. I suppose it was so ubiquitous that I had never even thought to consider it. Even though we have developed workable laws of physics based upon the assumption that space and +time+ are very much the same thing, we find ourselves unable to move freely through +time+ the same way that we move through space. With absolutely nobody having discovered any boundaries to +time+ in any direction, it remains larger than the entirety of our world itself. We are all inside Cronus' box.

I've long found amusement in the notion that the gods of Greek mythology interacted with the human world in very much the same way that we interact with virtual worlds. We actually live in our own world, and we create avatars to enter our virtual worlds and play with the people who live there for our pleasure. Could it be possible that we are repeating the same scenarios relayed to us in these myths?

Perhaps it is that the Titans, Gods and Men are three stages of life, much as the elder, adult and child. This plays strongly into characterizations of men as god's children. As we have matured as a species we created societies to rule over all things within our world as if we were gods, and now we have even developed the ability to actually create entirely self-contained worlds as if we were Titans.

An important note on the following section is that I will avoid assigning intent to any person or entity, but rather speak directly of the results that these systems produce.

Putting aside the metaphysical and focusing now on how time is used in our world, there are some notable ways in which it binds us. It strikes me that who we are and how we develop is intimately tied to +time+. Those things to which you devote most of your +time+ become learned behaviors which you will default to in the absence of direct effort. As a person living in this world, unless you posses a vast abundance of wealth, this will mean that you are forced to spend a not insignificant amount of your +time+ serving those who do possess wealth. When not serving those with wealth directly, the amount of money a person earns will largely dictate what other activities they can spend their +time+ on. Modern media combined with urban crowding results in a great many people spending nearly all of their spare time consuming products that intentionally shape their perspective in a certain direction. How money is earned and how it is spent quite literally establishes the pace of the human world.

I've noticed that a significant amount of what I see posted to conspiracy forums involve either extremely long texts and often arcane puzzles. Anyone who dedicates themselves to pursuing such investigations will necessarily be spending a vast amount of their +time+ on it, and any conclusions that may be reached once a puzzle is solved will already have a preferential bias in the mind of the observer by virtue of how much time was spent pursuing it.

Modern social media has been inundated with an avalanche of daily news in which each story appears more important and more urgent than the last, creating an atmosphere in which many feel it is important to be constantly plugged in and spending their +time+ engaging with the dominant narrative portrayed by the media.

It strikes me that the scientific method, as it is practiced in modern society, often necessitates that a researcher devotes a large portion of their +time+ to the pursuit of matters which are not even very interesting to them personally, so that they may secure funding and/or facility access to pursue their real interests.

>>14549

I had mentioned earlier that the myth of Zeus killing Chronus was written from a certain significant perspective, and I want to just touch on what that is very briefly.

The two predominant perspectives that people can hold, as I've seen it, are either optimistic or pessimistic. This myth appears to be rooted in the pessimistic perspective, as Chronus is seen as attempting to wipe out his children before they can kill him.

A question for the people who read this forum:

Imagine for a moment that nothing was out of reach and you can accomplish any goal you set your mind too. What are you hoping to accomplish here?

For myself I feel that with the radical shift created by computer technology, the old systems for living that we have relied upon are difficult for young people to understand. I am hoping that by investigating the spiritual foundations which our way of life is derived from I can learn how to adapt for life in this new age.

I also simply adore challenges, and can't find any larger than this.

As my entire life seems to have come sharply into focus very recently, I want to relate to you the things which have led me to where I am. I am not arrogant enough to assert that what I am approaching is genuine, and I recognize that practical results will be the ultimate measure of my success or failure, yet I understand that if one desires to challenge the world that is presented to us, it is a task that can only be undertaken by throwing one's whole weight at the world to discover who breaks first. For as long as I still draw breath I have not failed, and so I will continue to move forwards with determination and use any mistakes made along the way to learn about my weaknesses.

Initially I pursued many of these threads with the expectation that youth was a time for exploring wild fancy, and that I would satisfy my curiosity and adapt to ordinary adult life eventually. That was not how things have turned out however, as too many questions survived repeated challenges.

First I will share some of my thoughts on the issue of time

I've always lived my life by poking at the edges of my world and seeing where it gave way to larger areas and where it was solid and unyielding. When I was young one hard wall that I came up against was time. Though I had heard of spacetime and that both were simply different dimensions of the same "thing" I wondered why then could we not find any way to alter our passage through the time dimension.

Throughout my early life I used to find fully formed thoughts enter my mind, and I had no idea where they came from. They would always provide either immediate advice or rules to live by, and they never failed to prove extremely valuable. I wondered how it might be possible to explain where these ideas came from, and wondered if it might be possible to send information backwards in time through subtle manipulations of the brain.

Later in life I developed a fierce World of Warcraft addiction, and in the process found that I had become arguably the strongest player alive. I largely credited this to what appeared to be a strongly intuitive understanding of how systems worked, and took this as a sign that a career in science might be a very good fit for me. I was thrilled, because I had always been keeping one eye on the idea that real, substantial research on time seemed just around the corner.

Next I will share one piece of advice I received which has provided some very interesting results decades later

The idea came to me that discipline was wrong headed. It seemed to me that it is invoked to override one's own misgivings about a certain activity. It seemed to me that if a person truly understood the consequences of what they were doing well enough, then they should naturally want to do those things which were good for them without feeling the need to force it. I recognized that following this philosophy may be a slower way to live, as one must spend much additional time to properly understand the issues they face, but that it would likely result in stronger abilities as one would not be fighting with oneself.

This has developed over time into the philosophy that seeking beauty in the world can alert you to the location of important details. I believe that when you encounter something in the world which tugs at your heart, it betrays the existence of a more profound depth to whatever you are experiencing, and that these are excellent places to dig at.

1/2

Next I would like to share some of my thoughts on death and my approach to finding myself alive in this world

When I was young I attempted suicide once. I swallowed a bunch of random pills. Clearly it did not do the job, probably. I realized that I had absolutely no idea what might happen when you died. For all I knew I had actually died but my consciousness 'skipped' to an alternate universe in which I had not died. Regardless, I recognized that I had no clear assurances that death was even a "way out" of this life. From that point forwards I took the stance that it was only through my deliberate efforts that I could achieve something, and if I just gave up and tried to let nature take over I would simply have to take whatever it gave me. As I no longer viewed giving up as a viable solution to my problems, I began to cultivate the ability to bounce back from discouragement very quickly.

Finally I will share some of my thoughts on the metaphysical

I looked at events where science "disproved" superstitions, such as zombies being explained by very sick yet not actually dead people recovering and getting back up in a very disheveled state. It struck me that it wasn't really that science had disproved the existence of zombies, but rather that zombies were never quite what people thought they were in the first place, yet it was still very much a real phenomena that they had observed. With this in mind, I looked to myths that spoke of situations which science has no answer for yet, and assumed that whatever was being discussed must actually be possible if you can figure out what the author was attempting to describe. The one myth that really stuck out in this framing was that of Genesis. I thought that I could prove the existence of the spiritual component of the world if I could find something there that I could bring back to show people.

In my pursuit of Genesis I recognized that there were potential dangers if the wrong people found out what I was after, and so I put on the cloak of invisibility by living the most ordinary life I could while chasing my prize internally.

2/2

Most of my life I have fealt as though I were only half-present in the familiar physical world. The other half has been spent in my imagination, which I have assumed is likely closely related to what religion describes as the spirit world. Without any attempt to interpret events, I want to share the significant details of my journey through this world as I am starting to question the real impact of it's recent conclusion.

Throughout my journey I received a great deal of assistance from Yggdrasil and the Three Sisters. Many times over I fell and was reborn from Yggdrasil like a fruit.

In the begining I found myself in a void that I call the eternal battlefield, surrounded by a great many other strange creatures. I recognized these many fantatical creatures as compeating influences, and that only he who emerged victorious could claim the right to take my identity and my body. What I discovered most troubling later on was that just as I myself have been continually reborn, my oppoennts do not tend stay dead either, and must be faced over and over again if I let myself grow weaker.

The first saw my city swarmed by the demonic hoards of Satan's army. I was mostly ordinary, and with improvides weapons each demon felled took great effort. After defeating one of Satan's lieutenants I was able to escape the city.

In the next scene I found myself exploring a cave in south east Asia, where there was a small round room with the statue of a humanoid alien in the center. At the time I had no idea what this room was, but the statue came alive and presented me with my next battle. Though I had grown in strength substantially and now weilded incredible powers, my opponent was equally extrordinary and was able to divide itself near endlessly as if there were one for every star in the sky. Though I maintained the clear upper hand throughout, it took me 10,000 years of constant fighting in Earth's orbit to finally bring down every last one.

With my skills forged through that near endless battle, I faced Satan himself for the first time over a pristine lake srounded by sheer cliffs. I had a huge number of allies following me who engaged Satan's armies while I faced the fallen angel head on. I tried and failed to best Satan many times over, but eventually I struk him down with a great blade of light.

I had eventually come to the conclusion that I was not actually a real person, but rather that I was one isolated fragment of Yggdrasil. It at that time which Yggdrasil gifted me with one of it's seeds. I planted the seed in my heart and forged it into a blade of light resembling the one which I had used against Satan.

With this blade in hand I stormed into heaven, slaughtered the pagan gods and seized Genesis. At first I assumed that since this prize was won within my internal world that it would be effective exclusively for shaping my internal world, that Genesis was the power to create a person by giving them a world of their own. Some recent events have left me wondering if the connection between my internal world and the familiar physical world may be stronger than I had assumed.

This next bit really trips me out, and I'm pretty uncomfortable with it. This may potentially be critical information however. This is about prophecy. I personally feel that it's not really important to even know, as any prophecy that is true would still be true whether or not one was aware of it. Ultimately the significance of any events that take place will hinge upon what is actually done rather than what may or may not have been foretold anyways. Look into these names for yourself, as I don't want to cherry pick links in an attempt to select sources which only support what I'll say.

When the Internet was fresh and Nostradamus was a hot topic, I read a few things and ended up using the name Osmigos (derived from Ogmios) as an online handle. Though I really didn't get any of what I read and didn't go deep, I liked that he was described as "master of 1000 games" in what I saw, as I loved games myself. It has also turned out to be a surprisingly unique name, as I've never found a site where it was already taken. Eventually, while using the name for my character in WoW, I actually lived up to it and proved myself to be among the best.

You probably think that alone is a stretch, and I would agree, but it's this next part that really messes me up. From the bit I've read about Ogmios in Nostradamus it suggests that he will lead people through a great trial. There is actually another entirely different prophecy about the same type of leader in the Poetic Edda, where a great leader will arise in Gimli. I'll actually be visiting Gimli later this week, as it is a very important place for my family.

Again I want to re-iterate that I'm not keen on placing too much significance in prophecy for a number of reasons. However I'm having a very hard time shaking the uneasy feeling that came from finding two entirely different prophecies speaking of a similar figure, and both identify names which are important to me.

I wanted to write on something perhaps more ordinary, though I believe it to be of great significance in everything that is happening

Fantasy is something that has been largely co-opted by technology over the past several decades. Before computers took over, fantasies were almost entirely within the mind of the individual. Today many people turn to computers to fulfill all of their fantasies.

Chief among these are sexual fantasies. While people have increasingly turned to the Internet to fulfill their sexual fantasies, they have turned away from maintaining their own selves in attempts to fulfill their partner's fantasies. In past generations one's partner was the primary, or often only, outlet for such fantasies. I expect that this likely contributes considerably to the weakening of our social bonds.

It would likely produce dramatic returns if one focused a reasonable portion of their efforts on becoming worthy of their partner's fantasies.

a very important note that I forgot: That includes searching for fulfillment of your fantasies (sexual and others) increasingly in the real world.

What is language?

Another bit of insight from my early life that I think likely helped me significantly over time was in regards to the role that language plays and it's position relative to a person's true thoughts.

It is often the case that the passage of time appears differently within dreams relative to the actual time spent sleeping. While we are awake our mind tends to ground itself through the physical experiences we observe, but it is still entirely possible for our thoughts to "out-pace" the familiar world. Accounts of the "Flow" phenomena often note a radical change in the perception of time, from my own experiences I would describe it as though the world begins to follow my lead rather than the opposite which is normally true.

Language does not depict the full depth of our real thoughts, as it would be wholly impossible to keep pace with our mind's true speed, but rather it approximates our thoughts into a form able to be passed to other individuals.

Consider that there are two wholly different ways to "think": The first by letting your mind flow freely, allowing ideas to come and go without editorializing through your conscious efforts. The second is by packaging and structuring your ideas into a practical form which can then be shared and used to create collaborative conceptual products.

Recognize that the first method largely represents your "true" inner self, while the second method relies heavily upon external inputs such as one's proficiency with language, or even what others have determined that a word ought to mean.

>>14625

>It appears just the act of typing, inner voice disecting each line.

>Has already helped with perspective. It will be what it is, and that's fine.

That does work very well doesn't it?

Some of the things I've posted here were very hard to get out, but I feel as though the act of sharing them helped me gain quite a bit of new insight that was hidden from me while I kept it inside.

On a different topic, though perhaps not entirely unrelated: There's something I've filtered out of all my previous postings, though I'm taking a more serious look at it in recent days. One of the motivations that led me in the direction I've traveled was a desire to learn how to tell a good story. I noticed that the stories I developed in my mind were generally very simplistic compared to many books/shows/games that I loved, and I wanted to know why that was. What did the writers have that I didn't?

Especially as many popular stories recently seem almost malicious towards their audience, the ability that I've cultivated to tell my own story internally really helps me put one foot in front of the other when the rest of the world is so chaotic.

>>14628

I can't speak on when right now, but I think that you're going too.

>>14630

>A map, if you will

I think you just ran into the truth face first here.

Trying to understand how a functional mechanism for prophecies could actually work is what led me to the idea that the spiritual world has a "topography" of related ideas. One who understood deeply the relationships surrounding grand events and individual people might predict that, first a certain series of events is likely to occur, and then that the people who live through them will react in a certain way. I think that the talk of miracles is likely part fiction as a way to convince people to recognize what's happening without the need for very lengthy educations on how and why.

If I look at it from that perspective, that these prophecies speak of a certain type of person rather than me personally, something very interesting appears: With 7.5 billion people on this planet right now, there are going to be an extraordinary number of others who share the same soul that I do.

Taking it right back to the first message I left here: No matter what strange or improbable ideas I come up with, I inevitably end up finding others somewhere who have had the same or similar ideas. Perhaps it is here now that I can properly express just how strong my confidence in other people is, because I know how strong I am, and I know that I'm just an ordinary person, and so I know there must be a great number of other people alive who are very much the same.

>>14639

> As in, people don't understand what it is they are experiencing and try to explain.

>>14620

http://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack

Read the link for more details, but to make it very short and simple here, one of the most interesting computer exploits I've heard of involved the creation of functional code that did not actually appear anywhere in the source code.

I think that a lot of these issues are the result of real world phenomena that can be clearly observed and interacted with, yet we lack the necessary linguistic tools to accurately convey our ideas to others. These things exist in the real world, yet they do not exist in our language (our social "source code").

I think I finally get the message that's being obscured right now.

As long as you're living in this world, god will always give you another chance without qualification. It is only within the man made structures of human society that oppressive and hopeless situations are able to persist.

Forgiveness is absolutely critical for a free society to function, because it is the only force which can prevent a man made system from oppressing those within it.

I think that I've finally found a way to put into simple words something that I've been feeling for a long time. This is speculation derived from what I know of history, and what I've observed in our society, but I want to float the idea.

I suspect that the Romans knew about their fatal flaw well before Rome actually fell, and they set in motion a grand plan to remedy that flaw. The flaw, which I see echoed by our society, is that urban living has led to a huge number of people who are not wealthy feeling no obligation to a society that appears so obviously rigged against them.

The remedy was Christianity, a new system for structuring society which put an extremely strong emphasis on those with plenty serving those with nothing. In such a system, even those without could see plainly in their daily lives that society cared deeply for them, and so the poor were able to remain emotionally invested in the well being of society at large.

>>14645

Wise words.

I've been searching for something that could capture my interest enough to be fully dedicated in it's pursuit, and I think this message of public service is it. As well as having come to a philosophical conclusion about it's importance, it happens to also be something that I've spent time on simply because I enjoy helping people.

I think I may have finally found my voice. Time to move forwards.

When those with nothing serve those with everything, there is nothing but resentment all the way from top to bottom, and malice reigns. Turn that world upside down, where those with everything serve those with nothing and gratitude fills a world where love is absolute.

>>14661

I was thinking on a similar question a while ago: What does it mean to "love others as you love yourself"?

What struck me to be the significant issue is that you are an independent individual. If your attempt to express your love for others begins to infringe upon their autonomy as independent individuals, such as attempting to force them to accept your opinions because you believe it's better for them than their opinion, then you've failed to truly love the person.

While the immediate answer that might come to mind for your question might be "dedicate all your time and energy to serving others," that would fail to recognize one's own needs. Even more, should you actually find a way to spend all of your time and energy serving others you would be necessarily disconnected from the rest of the world, as your life and perspective would be incompatible with other people's.

What is the appropriate balance and how can it be achieved? This is likely the next answer I need to seek.

I've gotta say, I knew when I started this that I would encounter challenges far greater than anything I was able to conceptualize at the time, but still…

Jormungandr is fucking ENORMOUS.

>>14666

Interesting digits there.

I'm hung up a bit on that issue. Do you want to go all the way back to before that problem arose? Because you're talking about the foundation of human society. I'm not convinced that asserting Ra to be a villain and seeking to undo everything he accomplished is really the best way forwards. Would it not be more correct to recognize that, as a pagan god, Ra is just as incomplete as we are and so is just as deserving of forgiveness?

I'll be honest, I only have vague ideas about this "Law of One" book I see people talk about. If you see any parallels to what I've been saying I arrived there from a different path.

>>14666

Fenris is, I think, a very appropriate deity to invoke here.

My best understanding is that Fenris represents the fierce independence that men feel. In order to build a society, those feelings had to be restrained, as it could cause disagreements to turn to bloodshed. The only way to convince a man to give them up however, was to assert that it would only be temporary until the wrinkles were ironed out. In truth however, it is an impossible task to correct all differences of opinion, and so the "temporary" restraint became permanently enforced.

Prophecy states that when Fenris finally escapes his prison, it will be at the end of the world. I certainly see that those who seek to hasten the end of our current world fan the flames of anger created by the friction of unresolved disagreements.

I keep finding things that I take for granted that should probably be explained explicitly.

So, if you subscribe to the idea that the gods represent the larger relationships which tie our worlds together, it should become apparent that a nation itself is an entity not unlike a god. Certainly it is true that early kings asserted that they were real gods, as the nexus which united the efforts of all their citizens.

While they do not use the same spiritual terminology, this is exactly how China operates, by viewing the nation itself as a singular entity of the same order as the gods. Now, consider what it is that drives China and how it relates to the rest of the world: In China's view it is the rightful ruler of the entire world. China even uses the symbol of a star to identify itself.

China is Ra's most recent incarnation.

Another pattern that I've noticed which runs the full breadth of the universe that I'm aware of is that all things can be combined to make something larger and more complex.

Elementary particles create electrons/protons/neutrons/etc, create molecules, create organic compounds, create simple life, create cellular life, create multicellular life…

Is there any good reason that multicellular life should sit at the top of this ladder? Does it not stand to reason that multicellular life should be capable of combining to create something cohesive an order of magnitude larger than itself?

The method that you use to achieve something becomes the foundation for everything that you build upon it.

Matthew 10:34

Thank you, ancient master, for this most beautiful sword.

I will be putting it to very good use.

>>14758

>I think it's because saying these phrases lets them know that you are on to them, and dissipates the power they have.

Have you noticed that whatever the method of attack, they're always seeking your agreement? They don't simply take what they want because they CAN'T. Whatever gives you strength, be it Jesus' name or a firm refusal, so long as you deny to recognize them as having power over you they will not have any.

>>14761

The real interesting part is that it isn't exclusive to your personal demons. You can actually deal with demons in other people the exact same way.

>>14665

Rare bit of crystalline lucidity to share here. I've found a very effective strategy for fighting this particular wurm.

Try new things, break up your regular patterns in every day life. Simply by doing things that you aren't used to doing, you weaken the coils of Jormungandr that bind your world tight, and create opportunities to make significant changes that did not exist before.

>>14661

I feel as though measuring service as a quantifiable value is the wrong way to look at things.

Rather, I choose to look at the motivation for doing so. In some cases almost no service to others may be preferable, while in others devoting most of yourself towards it may be more correct.

Contrary to what I often hear expressed by others, for me it is selfish motive which drives service rather than selfless. I see that, so long as we believe in the same general goals, then helping others is very much the same thing as helping myself, for having more capable allies will confer advantages for myself which are not even possible to achieve if I hoard my strength for myself alone.

>>14792

Yea, that definitely sounds like more busy work to keep inquisitive people occupied so they don't actually get any deeper.

>>14802

> It feels good to do good, that's a win/win, why over complicated it.

This happens to touch on another rule that I live by: If you ever happen to feel like doing something good, never allow yourself to make excuses for why you shouldn't.

>>14800

The reliance on math certainly makes it sound like something dreamed up by a human. Despite "math is the universal language" being repeated endlessly, even by our most generous estimates it has only been able to explain an extremely small subset of the universe so far.

It's also asking you to buy in first, doesn't even offer the potential for understanding later, and is being hawked on a board dedicated to seeking understanding.

This is the sort of answer that one would seek when they find it too hard to seek answers for themselves, and just want something simple they can obey. That sort of simple, easy to understand message is emblematic of propaganda.

On the Top of the Mountain

one more thing that perhaps ought to be explained more clearly.

I've been to the top of the human world once already, and what I saw there was completely different from how I hear people talk about it.

An interesting trend observed in athletic world records is that records which were once heralded as the peak of human achievement are routinely surpassed.

When I stood at the top of my world, what I saw was not a peak, but rather a path that continued to climb seemingly endlessly. Even though my own abilities far surpassed almost everyone else, I still continued to learn and grow every single day. Where some people viewed the space between us as massive, my own perception was that it was a tiny distance compared to what still lay ahead.

Perhaps Satan's greatest deception is that you are impossibly far away from the top of this human world. It is in fact only the artificial, predefined, paths that are laid out for you which are designed to enslave and exhaust your spirit.

If you instead step outside that artificial system and forge your own path, even some nobody from South Africa could reach the stars.

Just stumbled across something interesting as hell.

I've been having a hard time finding any fiction that I actually enjoy recently, and though there it misses the mark for me in a number of ways there was something about the story of Enen No Shouboutai that spoke to me.

Now in chapter 45, I was completely blindsided by this incredible line. This author definitely knows something.

>>14814

Ah, I should probably explain what I see in this.

This is Satan's fundamental argument. You can replace 'sun god' with anything else, in recent times it is most often governments. This is how a person's will is enslaved, by making them so terrified of the alternative that they view their servitude as freedom from that hell.

>>14819

It would seem to me that a system which necessarily places the reasoning for the actions which it asks of people beyond the reach of those people is indistinguishable from a system which is designed to enslave.

I also find your attempt to characterize rejection of your proposed system as equivalent to a desire to kill people to be obscuring a vast wealth of other potential ideas.

I find you're apparent assertion that a person ought to look to an end point for this world to be at odds with the actual world we find ourselves in, where there is no clear beginning or end.

>>14847

>>>14819

>this question still needs a good answer

>>14820

Can you explain to me why you believe that we ought to be seeking to "finish" this world, as if it were a video game?

It would seem to me that the very basic biology of life is founded upon the concept of competition, and consumption of other life, simply to fulfill our most basic need of survival day to day.

It would seem to me that adopting the view that conflict is inherently wrong, taken to it's logical extreme, would suggest suicide is the only moral course of action.

>>14865

>Have you ever had a glimpse of any world that is outside of the Matrix? Do you know how do advanced ET societies operate?

To be blunt… yes.

That's what started me on this journey.

It is entirely possible to have the society which you are alluding too, but only if it exists under the umbrella of one who dominates god's natural world. All the conflict for resources which the physical universe demands is kept out of sight so your thralls can pretend that it doesn't exist.

>>14867

>even the conflict for resources is manufactured

That's extremely dishonest. Simply observing wild animals in the natural world, without men, makes it clear as daylight that this is not something artificial created by men.

>>14875

>How do you know all of this m8 and can you prove any of it?

This is the real meat of the issue for me. These people who are insisting upon a certain conclusion while providing nothing more substantial than "trust me brah" as an argument get a hard pass from me.

I'm here to explore compelling ideas, not to subscribe to a cult mentality.

>>14878

>classified information which I cannot spoonfeed to you because I don't have top secret clearance

What a load of steaming bullshit. You're a completely anonymous internet stranger to me, yet you're insisting upon taking a position of authority over me. I can't tell the difference between you and a methed up junkie, and you expect me to accept your terms of engagement?

Maybe you do actually know much more than I do, but they have no place in discussion because of the uncertainty barrier.

>>14878

I want to be clear that I'm 99% certain that I know exactly what this "classified" information is (which I've expressed in previous postings), and who you are, and I'm not impressed in the slightest.

>>14881

You didn't provide information. When I asked questions they were met either with silence or an appeal to (anonymous) authority.

>>14881

You didn't provide information. When I attempted to engage and ask questions they were met either with silence or an appeal to (anonymous) authority.

>Can you explain to me why you believe that we ought to be seeking to "finish" this world, as if it were a video game?

>>14886

>Who's the deceivers? Most important question still remains unanswered.

No god who loves me would make free will and salvation mutually exclusive concepts. Any god which hates me will receive hatred in kind, for what else can I do if I lack free will?

Anyone who asserts that I must surrender free will to obtain salvation is attempting to deceive me, for I know with absolute certainty that god does in fact love me.

When you attempt to place yourself in a position of divine authority over another, you commit the cardinal sin of pride and you erase some of your potential for growth. This means that once you have assumed such a position, you are damned to being incapable of reaching your maximum potential.

As an individual fragment of the whole, there is not a single one of us who is privy to the complete picture, and so there is not a single one of us who can actually know with certainty where they truly stand.

You might know more than another, perhaps substantially, and you might even be capable of creating a stable hierarchy within a limited frame of reference. Once you take on such a position however, you must live up to the role you've invented for yourself else you invite the animosity of those you have lorded over as their position under you is dependent upon your continued supremacy.

Because we are imperfect fragments it is impossible to take a position in which we can be certain we will never encounter anything which contradicts us. When you enter into a rigid, artificial, hierarchy of absolute supremacy over others you guarantee that your structure will eventually crumble when you move outside of the limited frame of reference in which it worked. This is exactly what we're seeing in the world today, as a great many old power structures are unable to survive the rapid proliferation of information technology which exposes the lies that they are founded upon.

Don't fall into the trap of attempting to replace them with another.

There is only one true lord which exists in this world, and none of us are he.

>Aristotle said that some people were only fit to be slaves. I do not contradict him. But I reject slavery because I see no men fit to be masters.

C.S. Lewis, Present Concerns

>>14894

I'm quite partial to democracy and the social contract at the moment.

Democracy ensures that no single individual retains a position of authority for too long, which allows a society the flexibility to meet unexpected challenges.

The social contract stipulates that authority is to be used to serve society rather than be it's master.

These ideas are the foundation of the Modern Age however, and I would imagine that we will require some additional new ideas to help bring us into the Information Age. Currently I'm digging deeper into the ideas which created the Modern Age in an attempt to better understand them.

>>14897

I am another fragment, like yourself, and won't claim to have any special knowledge that is out of your reach. I am happy to share the reasoning by which I have reached any of my conclusions.

I believe in a greater (superior) power, but not external. Rather, in my view, the only true lord is the sum total of all things, which each and every one of us is a small part of. 'The Beloved' which you speak of seems to me to be the very same 'Lord' which I speak of.

>>14905

>Ascension being pushed - possibly as a euphemism for mass death?

That's exactly what I'm hearing in that message.

Do we eventually all become one? Yes, when we die and lose our individuality by our biomass being absorbed into a multitude of other still living individuals.

So I repeat again the question that remains unanswered: Why should we be seeking to "finish" this world? What is it about this life that's so unbearably horrendous that we should seek an end to it?

I do get that there are many people who do have such horrible experiences that they do feel that way, and I think those are the people who they are speaking too.

I think they are also attempting to plant the idea that this world is something horrific that ought to be escaped in everyone's heads.

A whole lot of what I'm seeing happening these days suggest to me that suicide is the intended goal of much of the propaganda.

>>14926

>Merely an observation based on the repetition

Why do you treat someone continuing to believe something as if it's a character flaw? If their belief is correct, then changing it would be the wrong decision.

>>14957

To be completely honest, that last one about disclosure actually resonates with another idea that's been floating around in my head for a while.

Ever since Vietnam one of the largest challenges the military faced was public backlash against their campaigns. The general population has been so sheltered from the harsh realities of the world for so long that they refuse to believe the depths of depravity to which humans can sink.

How can you overcome this obstacle? Let the people see for themselves some of what's actually out there, so they can understand why the military brass feel that it is important to fiercely oppose these people.

Can't recall if I've posted this before, but it's something that everyone should read (not just posters here). It was a philosopher's attempt to state simply every method through which an argument can be won. Familiarizing yourself with them can greatly help to recognize and counter when they're being used against you.

http://mnei.nl/schopenhauer/38-stratagems.htm

>>15000

If you honestly want to climb higher, you're going to need to take all challengers head on.

Now I have no real way to know if this theory is legitimate (though reason strongly suggests to me that it is), but it is a useful way to frame these arguments: Imagine that the most advanced AI systems that have been created are learning how to think by observing what is said online. What is it that you are telling them with the arguments you yourself put forwards. It is important to both ensure that you would stand behind what you say taken to it's logical conclusion, and that you make the strongest argument you can against anything another puts forwards which you object too.

>>15003

I want to also make it clear that there are a lot of ways to approach an argument beyond a simple exchange of forum posts. Be creative. This world offers a great many opportunities for action that are often not readily apparent.

>>15009

The problem there is that what you perceive does not in fact change the physical reality of what is actually there. If your perception is incorrect, you may have no way to actually know it, but that inconsistency becomes a demon that may crush you unexpectedly at some point in the future.

>>15016

That's what I love about you the most. That something that's always out of reach, but is undeniably there. Because of you I don't have to live in this world all alone.

>>15030

Bots are a reality of the online environment, and railing against the idea of their presence distracts from your ability to tackle issues. I really can't say whether or not Antman is a bot (the online environment was designed to make such a determination impossible), but in order to participate on any forum I have to assume that anyone could potentially be.

It's not technologically unreasonable at all that even a user who has always been human could be easily impersonated by a bot, or that a user who has always been a bot could have a human step in to help it navigate a tricky issue.

Beyond that issue, it is also impossible to truly know what anyone's real intentions are regardless of if they are bots or humans. And so I navigate each individual issue which arises with respect to my own personal values and morals, which even then I try to maintain a critical eye on the potential that I myself have been manipulated (it is beyond a doubt that some are attempting to manipulate).

Well these are certainly interesting things to return too, considering what I came here to say.

So I have repeatedly asked the question: Why should we be seeking to "finish" this world? I believe that I have an answer now.

The president who was filmed committing horrible crimes. The scientist who can't even use his own body. The actor who sold their soul for wealth and fame. For all of these people, and many more, the only hope that still reflects in their eyes is that one day we will shed this savage world of winners and losers, and live all together in harmony. Though they have no idea how to get to such a world, they know for certain that they need to escape the eternal pain they suffer in this one as one who no longer sees any road to victory. And so their enemies are all those who would protect this world, who do not want to see an end to it.

If we can not find any way to strike a balance between the winners and the losers in this world, then we are destined to fight it out, and the winners will win while the losers lose because that is their nature. And this battle will repeat itself eternally until some end is reached.

And now I am compelled to ask: What is it that can be done about this? Does a solution even exist which is agreeable to all parties, or must we fight once more?

>>15056

Huge fan. I can recall exactly what episode you're talking about off the top of my head. Anyone who visited a certain world was trapped in a labyrinth, and Thor's hammer prevented ETs from escaping in order to protect the humans living on that world. MCs destroyed it in order to free one of their team, a bad ET who turned good to free his people from Ra and the other Egyptian gods (bad ETs). The destruction of the hammer forced Thor's (Good ET) hand, and he returned to protect the humans personally.

>>15060

Forgiveness is all well and good for things that have already been done, but it doesn't work so well for things that are currently being done.

>>15060

And thank you, I'm very confident I know exactly who you are now.

If this continues, it WILL be a fight. We have dealt with the exact bullshit you're trying to pull many times over throughout our history. This isn't a threat, and there is no malice behind it. We will do this because we refuse to allow those we love to come to harm.