Landing spot for the Meat/Vegan discussion that kicked up.
>I have an observation on the vegan fag psyop, having been raised among such people.
>It weakens.
>Body, mind, spirit.
>That ‘closer to God’ thing? That’s the psyop.
>i agree it is a worthy discussion. I’m in the same camp as you about showing respect for that animal, thanking it for giving it’s life so I may live, and avoiding wanton wastefulness.
It seems to me that there are two major components to this vegan vs. meat thingy. There is the physical health component and the Ethical/Moral/Spiritual component. Often these two points get so intertwined and convoluted so deeply that it becomes difficult to discuss rationally with some people.
On the Health part, I think I lean towards your and Lucky's view. There are so many "scientific" studies on this, but they all seem to do the same thing MSM does, they take the bits that support their bias and not mention the rest. Moderation and Balance feels best for me.
Even if the health component has an impact on one's spirituality, I liken it to a Runner getting new Running Shoes. If you're a great runner, they will help a little. If you want to become a runner, getting the shoe won't make it so. If you are spiritual, diet can help and enhance. If you want to become spiritual, diet ain't gonna do much for you without a lot of other stuff.
>What I do know is this topic of what to eat spiritually will create division on this board. Think of it this way, it is one's own sovereign right to what one puts in their body whether you determine if it's good or bad is of no consequence to the person you are judging. Your judgment will be based on your perception of what is good or bad.
This was well said and worth putting back up. This applies to both Health, and Spiritual aspects. Someone elses choice or beliefs here are not my concern. They should be free to choose and decide based on what is best for them.
>aaaaand if 3d printers are gonna be replicators soon enough, we can make food and not have to kill. so steaks for erryone! til then we can be ethical by giving thanks. anywho, just thought Id send a heads up about this new poster,
>also thought about it further and hasn't there been an effort to "grow" chicken wings with maybe stem cells? (as opposed to 'replicators')…
Isn't the stuff that comes out of the 3d printer, or 'grown' meat still living organisms? Life gives Life. So, then are we just talking about feeling better because it wasn't walking around?
Is one life/energy that I consume more or less important than another? The cells of that faux meat are just as alive as the ones from a walking cow. Is the cow more alive because we can identify with it more (moves, moo's, and can look at you)? Or is there something else there? Since plants/cells don't have brains or nervous systems, does that automatically put them in a lower category where it is more OK to eat them?
I don't have the answers but wanted to put it out to spark discussion. 99/1% and all, willing to learn.
>so no heart beat or eyes (somehow that must be related to the spirit and how the spirit takes in this physical reality)
Does a living thing have a spirit?
I can not wrap my monkey brain around a tree spirit yet, but I feel like a tree has a spirit. It's different, but its there. If you spend time in the forest, there is a 'feeling'. Because it does not resemble animal physiology, does that negate the possibility of a spirit? No eyes, no movement, no brain (as we know it)…. is it less than an animal?
> so are the factory farms and our current mainstream slaughter house practices
It is such a Horrific life for those animals. There has to be a better way. This argument gets wrapped up in the whole thing as well, but I see it as seperate with a separate solution potential. The answer to is eating meat ok is not answered by having or not having slaughterhouses, but that does not minimize this issue.
I wonder how much is the food itself and how much is the belief in the food. Probably a bit of both, but the power of the belief is pretty big.
The Placebo effect is fascinating.