I thought this the truth as we have come to see it,,, our old friend/ally Jim Cary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE9MwoTd80
I knew he was crazy but wow crazy and tuned in is this dude,,,,, Jim knows were quantum energy and matter combined and this life is not the true reality of the universe
its only the material existence not the energetic side that creates us and all matter
ill be silly and pose this statement in a question form
as I've said everything is what ?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0SxYdw5bdE
hes not entirely right but very close
ya hes soo close its scary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0SxYdw5bdE
"The Sphere",,,,,
A Kind of Dream
We can walk our road together
If our goals are all the same
We can run alone and free
If we pursue a different aim
Let the truth of Love be lighted
Let the love of truth shine clear
Sensibility
Armed with sense and liberty
With the Heart and Mind united
In a "single perfect sphere"
quote from "RUSH" Cygnus x1 book 2
wisdom is gained through knowledge,,,, my ally
that's why the world must know the truth
in the Vatican
THE TRUTH IS THE OLNY WAY TO STOP THE CABAL WITH LOVE
ITS PARRAMOUNT WE KNOW !!!!!!!
I seek Rah I seek the light
oh Rah hear my call for wisdom for the entire world !!!!!
Thoth deliver this wisdom to us all !!!!!
i have been waiting for this movie to become available on Netflix it is now,,,,, I'm watching it now
GODS of EGYPT
stunning visuals
wise words ty Cpt.
trust but verrify since we cant we hold to a tinny bit of scepicisum
BUT WE KNOW 100% LOVE IS THE BEST WAY
I choose the light as we all here I hope have done so as well,,,, idk if the cabal has my info idk
my time is my time,,,, WHAT THEY FEAR MOST IS LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHOUT THAT FROM THE ROOF TOPS
24,544
sealed indictmenets todate
welcome ally of light,,,, we dont know we seek answers throught the information here some may be true some not the TPTB,,, want us confused,,, but as i say let the truth shine through
The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his eyes are wide
Exit the warrior
Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets by on you
And the energy you trade
He gets right on to the friction of the day
RUSH "tom sawyer"
the vision of a cabal controlled world from RUSH "red Barchetta"
My uncle has a country place, that no-one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law
Sundays I elude the โEyesโ, and hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire, where my white-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine โ
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crimeโฆ
Wind in my hair โ
Shifting and drifting โ
Mechanical music
Adrenalin surge โ
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase
Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, Iโve got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the firesideโฆ
Living in the limelight
The universal dream
For those who wish to seem
Those who wish to be
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the fascination
The real relation
The underlying theme
The real relation
The underlying theme
RUSH "Limelight"
A WARNING WAHT NOT TO DO FROM RUSH YEARS AND YEARS AGO
"Witch Hunt"
The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torch lit hill
Features distorted in the flickering light
The faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
The mob moves like demons possessed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best
The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill
They say there are strangers who threaten us
In our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves
Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in handโฆ
OMG pepe lives in this song
RUSH
"Vital Signs"
Unstable condition
A symptom of life
In mental and environmental change
Atmospheric disturbance
The feverish flux
Of human interface
And interchange
The impulse is pure
Sometimes our circuits get shorted
By external interference
Signals get crossed
And the balance distorted
By internal incoherence
A tired mind become a shape-shifter
Everybody need a mood lifter
Everybody need reverse polarity
Everybody got mixed feelings
About the function and the form
Everybody got to deviate
From the norm
An ounce of perception
A pound of obscure
Process information
At half-speed
Pause
Rewind, replay
Warm memory chip
Random sample
Hold the one you need
Leave out the fiction
The fact is
This friction
Will only be worn by persistence
Leave out conditions
Courageous convictions
Will drag the dream into existence
A tired mind become a shape-shifter
Everybody need a soft filter
Everybody need reverse polarity
Everybody got mixed feelings
About the function and the form
Everybody got to elevate
From the norm
Everybody got mixed feelings
Everybody got mixed feelings
Everybody got to deviate from the norm
Everybody got to deviate from the norm
Everybody got to elevate from the norm
Everybody got to elevate from the norm
Everybody got to elevate from the norm
Everybody got to elevate from the norm
Everybody got to escalate from the norm
Everybody got to elevate
Everybody got to elevate from the norm
Everybody got to deviate from the norm
so much of rush's songs are about the right things to do not the cabal way they shine the light on the good,,,, their songs are sooooo deep into the light its scary how they speak to us and what's happening today with us here
http://www.playbuzz.com/amandag20/which-rush-song-are-you
"time stands still" is my song apparently
I turn my back to the wind
To catch my breath,
Before I start off again
Driven on,
Without a moment to spend
To pass an evening
With a drink and a friend
I let my skin get too thin
I'd like to pause,
No matter what I pretend
Like some pilgrim
Who learns to transcend
Learns to live
As if each step was the end
Time stand still
I'm not looking back
But I want to look around me now
Time stands still
See more of the people
And the places that surround me now
Time stands still
Freeze this moment
A little bit longer
Make each sensation
A little bit stronger
Experience slips away
Experience slips away
Time stands still
I turn my face to the sun
Close my eyes,
Let my defenses down
All those wounds
That I can't get unwound
I let my past go too fast
No time to pause
If I could slow it all down
Like some captain,
Whose ship runs aground
I can wait until the tide comes around
Time stand still
I'm not looking back
But I want to look around me now
Time stands still
See more of the people
And the places that surround me now
Freeze this moment
A little bit longer
Make each sensation
A little bit stronger
Make each impression
A little bit stronger
Freeze this motion
A little bit longer
The innocence slips away
The innocence slips away
Time stands still
Time stands still
I'm not looking back
But I want to look around me now
See more of the people
And the places that surround me now
Time stands still
Summer's going fast
Nights growing colder
Children growing up
Old friends growing older
Freeze this moment
A little bit longer
Make each sensation
A little bit stronger
Experience slips away
Experience slips away
The innocence slips away
"CARPE DIEM"
LIVE 4 TODAY NOT TOMORROW
btw WW and all u all these songs except time stands still were only on 1 album
most of rush's material is like this very thought provoking if u
LOVE not hate
much love back at ya bro
that's fire
THESE GUYS ARE KILLING IT ON THE Q POSTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVqtfFn9rJs
catechisum type posts abound,,,,,, posts formed lead me to believe a few here are heavily into the church but may in fact be disgusted and want to turn things around,,, and this is a great place to give bits of info out in catechisum format and wake people up
>catechisum format
u do and the sphinx and a few others post in that format
just an observation
sry my allies/friends been busy with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJMHiMOepI
listening to them talking about these latest q posts I will get caught up with u on the weekend
I think I reconize baruch the scribe a 8ch admin there in the late night and early mornings
SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF DRAMA THERE ATM
someone screwed up their server and they found out who and banned him and a couple of others wow just wow EGO's abound there not sure if ima follow them ill give it a couple o days
lv I could not log on to their discord but did log onto qnn2 people were saying it was a back up for that group but could get on there but now its gone off my server list in discord weird shit going on there ATM
the mods just placed me on a time out for describing my experience there in the last 4 days
wow I think I'm done there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYavO3fRLo0
IDK WHATS UP NOW IM SOOOOO CONFUSED,,, it seems that because i may have logged onto the server that was being touted as a back up i may be banned and they arnt telling me
ya done there i think
tried mention us here but maybe not a good idea to get shills from there coming here,,, hopefully that does not happen
LV THE ANTI VIRUS COMPANYS ARE PERVENTING CONNECTIONS TO TRUTH AS GOOGLE BLOCKS SITES,,,,, NO VIRUS'S JUST TRUTH
>Oh. I'm trying to read this and the olde English style justโฆ ugh. It's the same reason I have trouble with the bible. The English is allโฆ odd.
lololol bro try the sumarian txts if u think old English is weird,,,,, that shit makes heads spin
https://www.disclose.tv/ancient-sumerian-tablet-translated-by-oxford-scholars-307817
try that
we might be wrong about Dr. Greer
this is a post I copied from the QNN utube site form a poster
Dawn โOMG STEVEN GREER says "they no were the body's are" & then he is๏ปฟ briefing the President on DISCLOSURE. NEW VIDEO APRIL 8,2018.. HELL YES he said, "NO MORE OIL'
How do we ALL help reverse engineer the greatest lie ever told?
well start with the ancient history hidden from humanity
EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR PAST,,, and the people that came before us
USE THAT FACINATION TO PULL THEM IN,,,, ITS NOT LIKE IVE NOT BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A LONG TIME NOW!!!!
start with history easy simple and the truth WILL SET THEM FREE OF THE CABAL !!!!
HISTORY IS THE KEY to wake the masses
sooooooo much older and wiser
I would have chosen older and stranger than wiser I do not believe that to be the case people are stupid in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SBr5m78LXs
we are the enemy of the state listen to this its important !!!!!!!!!!!!!
screw the forum its got a chat area
lololol and I spoke with u before luck T as shockwave about 3 months ago on that chat do u remember ??
lv I'm on there right now
ya I don't follow that shit bro I always told it as I see it,,, without the questions posed as questions
that too makes me nuts,,, but it is a good way to retain this stuff were bantering around I guess
and IIDK if I'm not anon I just want what truth I found out to be common knowledge one day,,, as I know it to be truthful,,, I feel that david Talbot and firstly Immanuel vellochofski were on to something and that what they found makes the ancient txts come to life!!!!!
ONLY TRUTH WOULD ALLOW 4 THAT TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!
WHY ARE ANCIENT TXT SO STRANGE BECAUSE OUR PAST WAS STRANGER THAN THEY TELL US ffs IVE BEEN ON THIS FOR EVER NOW
ancient history is the way to open the SHEEPLES EYES !!!!!!!!
THE FIRE IS REAL !!!! HISTORY THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE FRIGGIN DOOR!!!!
However for outsiders it can appear that way.
Always look upon each side of the coin my friends.
and if newbies and lurkers don't like the avatar fagging and cant deal with it so be it they can chose to accept it or not the choice is theirs
we made our choice to be the voice of truth and light if they cant see that through the avatar fagging then bye bye I say this is not EGO talking but common sense
WE DONT WANT THOSE THAT DONT POSESS THE ABILLITY TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX !!!! FOR THEY SADLY WILL NEVER SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND FOREVER BE SHEEPLE
GL SHEEPLE BYE BYE
my ally Saturn was our old sun before it and earth along with mars was captured by this our current sun
I never said Saturn was a sun behind a sun ive always stated it was captured by this sun around 20,000 years ago as per the EU/Talbot/velikovsky theories
our moon was driven into its current position as the ancients witnessed it happen
how does a heavenly body not cause massive destruction on a capture event ?
answer u simply drive that object into an orbit
why no spin ?????
everything in the universe has a spin does in not planets I mean and other moons spin so why not ours ??? ringing like a bell ??? hollow
the time is short my ally we dnt have the time if they get a cabal backed prez in the WH all is lost if killary had won we would not be having this conversation we might even be in fema camps being re educated 5g is rolled out and a few more satellites and they are ready to wipe us all out
its called wetware and we are the wetware
got a vaccine lately /??? then ur microchiped
no stop listening bro NOW!!!!!
DISREGARD ALL NEGITIVE NOW!!!
OR THEY WIN!!!!
WHEN I HAVE ONE OF THOSE THOUGHTS I SAY TO MYSELF BULLSHIT AND JUST MOVE ON IT WORKS!!!!!
so i try to listen to them for guidance
NO
unless its the George castanza thing where u do the opposite of what u would hear them tell u to do
please my ally if they guide u in any way stop disconnect from then and seek the message of the light now!!!!!
become one of the 144,000 needed to make a difference become a seeker of the truth and light
im not a gov shill i can tell u that with 100% truth
u know where i will be this summer in NF ont canada combating the CABAL one hour at a time giving my time to the one small town UBUNTU MOVEMENT if thats a shill,,,, ill eat my hat!!!!! true dat!!!! and i take ofence that u would think me a gov or cabal shill !!!!! go if u feel the need but stay and learn that im not a shill others may have an adgenda here but im of LOVE and NOT HATE, REASON NOT STUPIDITY
ur free will should guide u my ally in this important choice
as soon as I see a dark intent ill drop this like a hot potato and FOCUS ON UBUNTU ONE SMALL TOWN!!!!! FUCK THE CABALS EVIL DEEDS
eye is u and me and all of us my ally
ALSO ITS THE EYE of Rah
AND HORUS
THE ABILLITY TO SEE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!
That sound is the electrical inter actions of the flow of electricity through Saturn
its also been heard on the earth and will be in the future as told in the bible the trumpets to sound the coming of the Christ(electrical sounds)
no the light of love my ally
not the darkness of evil
think star wars dark side of the force vs the light side
needed to find that post
damn it keep avatarfagging people its way easyer to understand who is who than just an anon posting
I'm getting lost in the confusion its one reason I chose to stay here and learn and grow !!!!! FFS don't stop the fagging !!!! all FAGGING is acceptable here this is not Q research its the truth legion FFS
happy hukl, happy hulk, happy hulk, happy hulk,,,, I mean thoughts
u are a child of light one of the 144,000 we need that's why ur here why we all are here!!!!
we love and respect u my ally/friend
LOVE not dark is why u are here even if u don't understand it atm
much love
but loving u and agreeing need not be one in the same
again I send u my love
> This is why I don't trust people who want "disclosure now". Do they want to ruin the world and cause wars just for their desire to see an alien?
no with disclosure come truth and above all knowledge and the choice to deny evil and embrace love
those that go nuts we cant help they are too brainwashed to even use the brain the ALL gave us to think independently and question every thing and one until u can discern the truth or the deceit lays itself wide open as it usually ends up doing because its not the best way to live but LOVE IS
>The anchors I spoke of are part of my spiritual construct, in some places where I go I need to do certain things of a light spiritual nature.
that is ur shield against them carry it proudly and use it well ty 4 being here my ally/friend
damn it I forgot to say REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>How to stop their attacks? It's like they read along and have the government working for them (the internet watchdogs). Maybe it's just a feeling? But how to AVERT OR STOP their attacks WITHOUT joining?
IF U FEEP LOVE FOREMOST WITHIN U NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO IT DONT MATTER
bang on WW UR WORDS ARE MINE TY!!!
CEPT I HAVE NO BACK TATTO
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE ?
THE WORLD IS GOING TO HELL
and u want us to walk away from the light being shared here were not about information yes thats part of this but what binds us here is LOVE if u try to stop this board we will go away with what we already know to be true
that is LOVE IS TRUTH AND TRUTH IS LOVE AND LOVE IS STRONGER THAN HAT ALLWAYS WILL BE AND ALLWAYS HAS BEEN
WE/EYE keep our EGOs in check we/EYE LOVE above all else with love we see truth I'm not sold on all we have discussed here not even 60% sold on some of it but a lot here rings true to my minds EYE
they are making people nuts here and trap them on tape with DMT like this guyโฆ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_UUd88HEn8
just one from many
give us the cliff notes I'm not gona spend over an hour and a half on this interview
everything leads to the cabal I mean everything u know this to be true or u would not be here now !!!
u call us shills yet ur words echo EGO u call us childrens and nuts then u say this
with love,
nana pelosi.
wow just wow
u must know that Pelosi is a dirty word u can see the hate in her face all the time if u pay attention she's and angry hate filled person
ur words are more telling than u realized,,,, why is ur id 000000 and u reply to 000000?
what is going on here?
probably trying to make us nuts lololol
wont work,,,, my feet stay firmly grounded bye bye
believe nothing 1000%
seek a Dr. please if u hear voices u need pro help we love u still always will nothing will change this we see LIGHT not dark WE ARE JEDI's
separate church from being spiritual
we WIN !!!!!
as I've done all my life
made low money even though if I applied myself with my IQ average about 130 I could have made lots of money BUT THE FRIGGING CABAL WOULD HAVE WON THEN FUCK THEM ALL THAT SEEK DARK
who is this 000000 anon,,, board owner taken over ? AI whos able to gain access?
wtf ?
ive already told him our love 4 him or her or it but the 000000 is weirding me out!!!
love u antster
pw?
ANON PLEASE LET FLY,,,, we listen to all if ur words warrant ur own thread then yes u shall receive what u ask
remember we love here so ur welcome here
sry it wanted me to input a pw there I refreshed and didn't need to pw weird
yes we know that reality is created by all humans on this world
that why we need 144,000 soldiers of light to have the critical mass to MAKE THE SHIFT INTO THE LIGHT FROM THE DARKNESS
thor just be u fag or dnot but just be u btw we love the avatars screw the pressure to not fag
just be u
BRO ET IS HOME we carry their dna or well a part of it
Apes have 48 chromosomes we have 46 how do we drop 2 and become better smarter and weaker ?,,,,,, think labor force they wanted us to dig gold wanted us smart enough but not strong to rise up against them
its a fact that our 2nd and 3rd were fused together to make 46 why ??? how ???,,,,, the why is because they only have 46 and could not put the code for smarts into a creature with 48 the code had to follow their code in a way that allowed for them to add the bigger brain and keep the 46 after all u make something and u model it after urself right ???,,,,, we were made in gods image so were told
the FACT EVERY ANCIENT CULTURE SAYS LOOK SKY GODS ARE COMMING DOWN TO MAKE US,,thought that was a funny way to say they tell us that they came from the heavens/space and made humanity
wow just wow I think they are coming back and soon maybe even this year some time
the FACT that each one of u Americans and the rest of the worlds population are registered corporations and are traded daily on the stock markets and the U Americans can see ur net worth to them in the form of UR,,, "TDA account" this proves what I'm saying,,,,,,
AND MOST DONT KNOW IT !!!!!!
can u say billions yes billions of dollars attached to ur social sec #,,,,
AND MOST DONT KNOW IT !!!!!!
the FACT that every Village, Town, City, County, Township, Province, State and finally Country are also registered corporations and traded daily on the markets,,,,,
AND MOST DONT KNOW IT !!!!!!
this is why UBUNTU is the key to breaking their grip on us all contributionisum,,,,, they CANT compete with FREE LABOUR they live off of GREED
the historical truth about the baking system in the world and in the US of A
they have been leading u all by the noses for hundereds of years and yes even thousands
u can research the roths bloodline its illegal to do so
don't believe ? go try it,,, u will need to go to England to even start then ur in jail in no time at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJJfUWP23I
SRY forgot to post link
this video is making me question Q Iran next,,,,,,
well iran is the only country that does not have a central bank owned by the roths?????????????????
North Korea did not have a central bank owned by the roths,,,,,,, do they now ?? are they in talks to start one soon ? or are they just going to unify and melt into the south korean roths central bank ?
wtf ??????
arnt we here in opistion of the bankers ???
or are we just watching them take over everything ????
the 5 g network is almost ready is it about to be turned on against us??? to make us go at each others necks ? make us all depresed and sick ???
im having doubts
STAY OUT OF IRAN
all this is confirmation if true and I think it is,,,, with all my searching being the sponge I am I put 2+2 together and made the similar connections as those reddit post made,,,, I knew enki was the good guy and Enlil wanted us dead in the flood 5000 bce
its all about control and the fact that ENKI MAY BE IN ANTARTICIA TO THIS DAY
seeing they figured out telomeres a long time probably billions of years ago as the Vedas go back that far yes they do !!!!!
would that be wild if Q is ENKI ???????
I'm starting to see all this from a different angle Dr.
I'm getting clearer on free will and choice
I will follow the truth and the light NOT THE DARKNESS OF EVIL I SEEK LIGHT!!!!
LARP yes the greatest one EVER as I suspected WOW !!!!!!
do u see what I see Dr. ?
a reversal a flip of reality's
enki ty 4 our lives,,, the ones before us,,, that suffered so much and for so long,,,,, and those to come after the Great Awakening,,,,, it all in our genetics the 3 females all those years ago that u gave the special genetic package to,,, the APPLE
once again TY ENKI our equal our CREATOR,,,,
Rah is enki?(still unsure,, Birds are reptiles just flying dino's,,, so its possable) if so Rah/enki TY,,,,, BTW MUCH LOVE IM CHANGED BEING HERE
DR. STRANGE MY LOVE ALSO
I think I know why u called urself rah and now Dr. strange,,,,,, the alliance touched u through ur mind because ur in tune naturally,, this is ur duty ur instruction to prepare as many SOULS as possible for the EVENT,,,,, not sure when but its soon I feel it have felt it for over a year now
LOVE IS THE ANSWER AS JOHN LENNON TOLD US
I have always seen the light in truth and I now strive as I've sponged more and more I seek the truth of the light and its love of everything(yes even the Draco's enki and Enlil) and I do mean everyone and thing
through knowledge over my 50+ years here I don't fear death(my heart will race 4sure when the time comes) but I know what is out there 4 us all and how to get there EYE SEE the truth and the light in my minds eye and hold it dear to me as i think im a being of light not dark i may carry reptilian -RH blood and genes but i reject the evil that the Draco evil empire represents
my free will and my choice!!!! ty Dr.
THE GREATEST LARP EVER
"Eye have never spoke of anything evil."
correct,,, we have been fooled for ever as i knew,,,,, a LARP LIKE this would NEVER be understood by the masses with low IQ's its even hard for me to UNDERSTAND for what i know and put the puzzle peices that ive put together as ive done and im finding that im not alone in my connections and conclusion,,,,, givin the lack of information and the deliberate attempt to hide or misdirect translations and historical facts and areas,,,,, its a wonder there is anything left to make those connection
dr. they are just fan trailers to me,,,,, u know me i need clear information(like wtf 66666667? still no clue) to make connection in a logical manor and then formulate a theory based on the evidence presented
dont even know what to look 4 is it the evil space ? is it the evil entity dormamu ? is it the choice ? what give a dude a clue a simple clue lolololol
I'm trying hard to think on it my ally as its the key as tesla said to the zero point energy if I could figure that out I would open source it to the world
this is a need that oil just cant fill,,,,, humanity needs free energy to survive the coming years
if power is not freely available then humanity has no chance WAR FAMINE DESTRUCTION is all that comes from oil,,,, oh and I forgot the power to control us more and more as the oil disappears over time
THATS MY WISH IS TO MAKE A DEVICE THAT THE WORLD COULD USE OR TO THINK IT UP AN PLAN FOR ONE
and give it to the world but I cant figure it out and it drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!
not quite what meant bro,,,, we cant pump water from hundreds of feet down by hand,,, we cant feed the world with human power my ally,,,, ur talking ethereal I'm talking practical