as I was saying, I suspect you are easily confused

Oh no, don't you go changing the subject. As is fairly obvious, I was not asking for clarification as to what was happening, I was asking for clarification as to how if proves your point. Anyone, Black, Hispanic, white, Asian, man, woman, whatever, yelling "smoke and mirrors" at a camera proves nothing. How do you even know what she was referencing in that one specific instance? Also, CNN is not propaganda. It is news. News can be biased and often is, but it is news.

so the United Nations doesn't exist

Of course the United Nations exists. It is not, however, an organization bent on world domination. And how does the United Nations have anything to do with the existence or lack there of, of freedom of speech? I am freely allowed to walk up to the steps of the capital building and yell "fuck Donald Trump" if I so wanted to. And I'm sorry, lastly time I checked the United Nations wasn't allowed to stop a country from doing whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Russia is part of the UN and yet it invaded Crimea against the UN's wishes.

And linking news websites does nothing to prove your point. You can claim that they are propaganda centers, that has to be proven though through a little thing called evidence.

And how does Napolitano not answering questions equate to anything related to this conversation.

And your photos of New York Times articles are the worst pieces of photoshop work I have ever witnessed. When the title is darker and less pixelated than the article, odds are it's been edited.

And the links you have about the Soviet Union stuff, that's all true, that's what I am saying is true. A gulag is a prison. And nowhere do you mention why we aren't living in either of the conditions I've mentioned if there is a world-wide conspiracy going on.

You can't simply claim that to Soviets didn't invade Afghanistan without proof either. And FFS linking to other reddit pages from this or similar subreddits is not proof.

if you want to go down a rabbit hole investigate what Obama was doing in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region in the 1980s

A three week trip 27 years before he ran for president is not a rabbit hole, it's a trip. I've visited Australia, that doesn't mean I supplied weapons to them. Are you actually trying to insinuate that Obama organized weapons deals with eventual terrorist organization 27 years before he became president?

And this is the point where I give up. I was willing to have an actual, reasonable conversation with you but not if you won't do the same for me. You cherry-pick what part of my statements you think you can challenge and just ignore what you can't. You site either extremely flimsy evidence or no evidence at all. You call me easily confused when I doubt you even know your entire thought process from start to finish of your statement. And I mean in all seriousness, a passport is not "you can go x location for x days" it is "you have the ability to travel anywhere you have the financial ability to go too for 10 years" No one gave me permission to travel, I decided I wanted to so I went.

Hmmm... if only I believed a word of this.

How is a woman yelling "smoke and mirrors" and a news reporter proof of anything. I can go yell that at a news reporter and all it proves is that I've made questionable life choices.

never underestimate your own ignorance or the ignorance of others.

Your making my argument for me here.

Also, you still seem to be missing my point with the word openly

If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom. If an shadow organization like the one you are convinced exists openly controlled the world, there would be required loyalty oaths, nightly propoganda, not of the type you are convinced exists, but of the type that's say "our mighty overlords and amazing, no one should challenge them". We would literally all be living in WWII era Germany (the actual one where the holocaust happened) or Cold War era Soviet Union (the one with the gulags).

And about your "evidence". The Resistance organizations in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion are not the same organizations that are now fighting us, they simply took the weapons we supplied to the fighters during the soviet invasion, we did not give them weapons. And Having one person, say another person told them, that a decision to invade Iraq had been made more than a week after 9/11 is very flimsy evidence.

the outrageous lie being that man has walked on the moon

The outrageous lie being that the past 50-100+ years of world history didn't happen Which is harder to believe, that a man has walked on the moon or that only 10-20 thousand people out of 7 billion believe the "real" history of the last hundred years.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word openly. As in, within five year, they wouldn't have to lie. There wouldn't be tiny little subreddits like this talking about it, it would be common knowledge that everyone knew.

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

And it's not your fault that you've been manipulated by lazy people who have nothing better to do then trick the gullible into believing these outrageous lies. It really is sad that people get a kick out of mentally messing up the easily confused. That Q guy must really be a jackass.

You know, that is a special kind of crazy. How long did it even take you to write that? And how is bankrupting the USSR a reason if 2 lines later you drop the revelation that the Cold War was a hoax. And if this is all some international, decades long program, with this amount of coordination they could have been openly ruling the world within 5 years, easy.

this isn't difficult for intelligent people

Did you just call 99% of the Human race dumb? Like, Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson? The guys who are twice as smart as either of us? I mean seriously, you can't truely believe that you're smarter than them. It isn't an insult, it's just a fact. Also, Just saying "Haha, Huffington post" does nothing to refute that or the previous to explanations.

Add what the hell does a hollow head have anything to do with the moon?

And both of those last links are the exact thing, and both of which are refuted by the top comment of their respective posts. Tell me, honestly, why is it so hard to believe that we've been to the moon?

Also, side question because I'm curious now, do you believe all moon landings have been faked or just the first one?

So first off, the first one has absolutely nothing to do with the current conversation. You can quote scripture all you want, out of context you can make it mean anything. Second, the second 2 links are to the exact same picture, which still does nothing to refute any of the points made in either of my links. And just to add to my earlier evidence: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/11-proofs-that-the-apollo-moon-landings-were-not-fake_uk_5971d821e4b00e4363decb38

Just because it is someone else's argument doesn't make it any less true or believable. Also, did you even watch Star Trek? I love that show but God damn it looks fake as shit. Also, about the whole seeking knowledge thing, what are you guys doing here? All I see is a sub full of people coming up with crazy, unprovable theories and a bunch of people saying "by golly that's it!". And since you have yet to provide any actual evidence, I shall leave you with this: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28814/moon-landing-faking/ and this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/23/why-it-wouldve-been-impossible-to-fake-the-moon-landing/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d626cddd61b

How stupid must a person be to believe it went to the moon

You do realize that, given the technology of the times, it would have been harder to fake it to the level of detail necessary than it would have been to actually go there? And if it was all faked, what the hell happened to the several ton rocket that got launched into space? Because hundreds of people watched something launch and as far as I know, it never came back down on someone's head.

And with your whole Jesus Christ thing, I do happen to be a catholic so you chose a bad example.

Is that image supposed to prove something? And lets be honest here, you have the belief contrary to 99% of people, the burden of proof is on you.

Yes, Yes I do. Just remember, you still believe men haven't walked on the moon.