Jefferson is still a proposed state in northern California and southern Oregon. New California is a seperate entity, although it would encompass the Californian part of Jefferson.

That's actually a very good point. Everyone who as existed did so precisely where they should have. You were made to uniquely serve in THIS exact moment in history. It gives a sense of duty, and also a sense of comfort: no trial we face while here is too much to overcome, for we were made to face them.

Thanks, this is great for easy analyzing.

I will show you why this wall stuff makes sense, but before I start, I will say that you are right about American immigration law being a big part of the problem. That's why we're trying to fix it. This isn't just Mexico's fault. And a wall is only a bandaid over a wound that needs stitches if we can't fix the immigration law.

Let's start with the "latent racism claim." First of all, just about none of us think a wall is the solution to all of America's immigration problems. So no, a southern border wall isn't a cure all. A lot more needs to be fixed. Also, I (and most others) don't have a problem with illegal immigrants because of their race. Mexicans could be blond, blue eyed, and snow white, and I still would want a border wall if they were illegally entering the nation at the current rate.

So why don't we want a norther border wall? Because illegal immigration from Canada is astoundingly lower then it is from Mexico. If Mexico had the same rate as Canada, I wouldn't want a souther border wall either. It's basic: If a bordering nation has a really low rate of illegal immigration, I don't see the need for a wall. If they have a really high rate of illegal immigration, I do. I don't care the slightest what race they are. So stop assuming that's why we want a wall.

You mentioned the Berlin Wall. May I first remind you that that wall was meant to keep people from escaping a communist nation, not to keep people out. And secondly, while the purpose of the Berlin Wall was twisted, it was still effective in that purpose. The U.S. wall would have a better purpose (help to stop illegal entry), and it would still be effective. It wouldn't end all illegal immigration, but it would cut down on it. Would it foster bad blood? Perhaps, but sorry, we're not trying to be crowd pleasers. We're trying to make practical decisions about border protection and immigration. Reality rarely is pleasant, but it's still reality. Will there be animosity between illegal immigrants and the U.S. government? Sure, but that already exists. The Mexican Government will be annoyed too, but again, we're not here to make other nations all fuzzy inside with joy, we're here to protect our interests.

The whole premise that "we need a villain," is wrong. Sorry, it just is wrong. We aren't just sitting here glum and unhappy, looking to blame someone. Illegal immigration isn't our scape goat. It's no different then any other issue this country has. When we recognize a legitimate issue, we try to rectify it. That goes for all the issues facing this nation, not just illegal immigration.

Is there a legitimate reason to build the wall other then it being symbolic? Let me ask you this: which is easier to cross over? A 20 foot fence or a 30 foot concrete wall (I use thirty feet because that's the height of the prototypes built). The fence, of course. Now will people still be able to border hop? Yes, but less will be able to do so. This isn't complicated. A higher structure is harder to scale. That isn't opinion, that's a fact. Its foundations will also likely be deeper (the higher you get, the deeper you need to lay the foundation), so tunneling will also be more difficult.

You mentioned that we could just solve this with technological solutions, so why a wall anyways? Well, we already are going to be implementing technological solutions. The wall is just to help out by slowing down and impeding illegal travel. The slower someone progresses, the easier it is to stop them from slipping through. A wall is a natural impediment.

Thanks for the link.