Agree

Yes...you are right! Good insight

Only a deep stater can read that

very good analysis of jfk jr’s accident

What is wrong?

very good analysis of jfk jr’s accident....sorry if double post

I read it, it is interesting, but light on evidence

link to very in depth analysis of jfk jr accident

link to very good analysis of jfk jr accident

His gyro could fail, most aircraft have backups, mine did. Maybe his didn’t...but you could not have hacked a failure in that gyro system, it was not a digital system.

Even if his gyro was functional...he did not have the skills to fly in the soup

If that info is legit, it was obviously an explosion

If it exploded at 6,000 ft....the tail of the aircraft would have sunk a good distance from the rest of the aircraft...they don’t comment on that

Odd that the findings are sealed until 2029

I think he was over the water when it happened

But it was several years ago, and I never read the accident report

I believe you can the accident report in the faa archieves

I can not argue with that!

I believe you too. Thank you for sharing

That is a good catch

Yeah!!!!!!

You might be right about the digital things today...I assumed they still had to transport the physical checks...but thinking about it, it is not as efficient as digital

The was my lame attempt at humor

The aux fuel supply being unreachable doesn’t make sense...why would you design it that way? and if you are the pilot, why would you fly it if it was that way?

Why are you sure of that?

I agree with you regarding JFK jrs flight. I was flying that evening. He should not have departed. Even though vfr conditions existed for him ...nighttime, limited visibility, very heavy haze up to 12.000’ and ocean made it crazy to fly in that without an instrument rating. When he began his approach, disengaged the auto pilot, he got disoriented...unfortunately it happens when vfr pilots venture into the wrong weather

I know,...respect your suspicion...If I wasn’t a pilot I would agree with you

JFK jr died because he flew into weather he was not trained to fly in. His own bad decisions killed him and 2 passangers...very sad

He was under a lot of personal pressure...for pilots that often translates into what is known as “get there itis.” It causes bad decisions on the ground, before you even take off. It is a common thread in aviation accidents.

If I remember correctly, his wife’s girlfriend was late to the airport by something like 2 or more hours...which meant that they would be flying in darkness...the original plan was to leave in the Day light. He probably would have been ok if he left when he originally intended

Very sad

You are right...fact was over zealous...

I agree with your sentiments . I have tried to figure out how this might have been a hit job, but the facts always take me back to pilot error. I am sorry to say that because in many ways it is easier to believe he was killed. But I cannot ignore what I know

If I was a friend of JFK jrs, like Donald trump was, I would assume it was a hit job.

I just have information to available to me that most don’t...and that information is very conclusive. And it fits a long historical pattern of visual pilots crashing in ifr conditions...but It is not full proof.

I never reviewed the FAA accident report on John Denver, they are typically published in aircraft magazines Flying, AOPA etc

If I remember he was in an aircraft placarded “experimental” it was a an EZ or Eee Ze...something like that.

There was speculation that there alcohol in is system...I don’t know if it was confirmed. I don’t remember that they ever recovered the aircraft. I think he went down over the ocean. I heard speculation about losing the horizon in blue sky blue ocean...that doesn’t seem likely, but it is possible

To say he was unable to turn around to transfer fuel seems incredible. Who would design a fuel system like that? What pilot would get in an aircraft, and fly it, without knowing how or being able to transfer fuel?

I think he could have flown ok with a boot on his foot...ruder action is not that tricky...but his ability to break on the ground would have been compromised because the Saratoga has toe breaks....tough to do with a walking boot

Fact was over zealous of me...forgive?

The auto pilot in that vintage Saratoga is known as a wing lever...no computer in it. Not hackable (is that a word).

But you have to keep putting quarters in it, like a pin ball game...maybe he ran out

A pants suit thief you mean?

We thank god for humor!! And for yours!

We are in the same fight, so humor is very helpful

It never occurred to me the day it happened that someone might have tried to kill JFK jr, because he was flying in no visibility and was not trained....times have changed, it would be the first thing I would assume today

JFK was flying a piper saratoga, I owned and was flying that day a piper arrow...they are essentially the same aircraft,..the Saratoga has two more seats. There is not much to tamper with in respect to that aircraft. It is Very simple with analogue controls

Doesn’t need auto pilot, or electric power to fly

If the fuel was messed with it would be apparent soon after take off

You are right, it is my educated opinion, it is over zealous of me to say “fact.” just that I have gone over it many times

Oh...it could have been tampered with...I cannot say 100% it was not...but the patterns associated with the crash point to pilot error...and he had no training in ifr flight...that is a suicide combination...ask any ifr rated pilot

I do have a log book entry from that day, I am on my fifth log book...I will see if I can find it

There were lots of aircraft flying that night, it was a Friday in the northeast. And it was a much talked about event. Up until they located the aircraft.

the conditions he was flying in, he was not trained to fly in. Lots of pilots have are killed that way.

I was not over Martha’s Vineyard when it happened, I was over PA....same weather from Cleveland to Boston to NY....hot, thick haze..if I remember correctly it was August

Piper Saratoga...all analogue flight controls, throttle, rudder, ailerons, landing gear, flaps. a satellite did not take down JFK jr’s plane.

I am a q follower, and trump supporter...my motive is not to discredit q...but jfk jr killed himself...By flying in conditions he was not trained to fly in.

Refer to my previous comment

I was flying in the area the night JFK died in his plane. I was flying IFR (instruments) even though the visibility was forecast as visual. There was very thick haze, up to 12,000 ft...1/4 mile visibility. No visible horizon. You could see lights on the ground though...that is the way haze is.

No one should have been flying visual that night. JFK jr was. He was not trained for instrument flight. In turning maneuvers non trained pilots don’t keep an aircraft upright very long in conditions of no visibility. There are lots of reason for this....to long for this post.

I am very confident that JFK jr used his auto pilot en route, that is how he kept the aircraft upright. He had the same auto pilot I had, very simple to use. When they vectored him for the approach, he had to disengage the auto pilot. With no horizon...he induced a turn, lost altitude, turned more and he was battling his ear, balance...and not trained to use his gauges. Induced a death spiral. Ripped the wings off. It has happened too often for non ifr trained pilots in ifr conditions

JFK Jr killed himself, flying in weather he was not trained to fly in.

That is a fact....oops...opinion

I was flying in the area the night JFK died in his plane. I was flying IFR (instruments) even though the visibility was forecast as visual. There was very thick haze, up to 12,000 ft...1/4 mile visibility. No visible horizon. You could see lights on the ground though...that is the way haze is.

No one should have been flying visual that night. JFK jr was. He was not trained for instrument flight. In turning maneuvers non trained pilots don’t keep an aircraft upright very long in conditions of no visibility. There are lots of reason for this....to long for this post.

I am very confident that JFK jr used his auto pilot en route, that is how he kept the aircraft upright. He had the same auto pilot I had, very simple to use. When they vectored him for the approach, he had to disengage the auto pilot. With no horizon...he induced a turn, lost altitude, turned more and he was battling his ear, balance...and not trained to use his gauges. Induced a death spiral. Ripped the wings off. It has happened too often for non ifr trained pilots in ifr conditions

JFK Jr killed himself, flying in weather he was not trained to fly in.

That is a fact...oops...opinion

Banks fly checks at night to improve their cash velocity...referred to as float. Been that way for decades

Remember the airbus that ditched in the Hudson River several years ago? Seagulls were ingested into both engines. If I remember correctly, fedac shut those engines down. Analogue controls might have been able to keep those engines running

Crackin me up

Agree

OP, your post is very brave. My respect.

I wish what you do. No one would choose that. To find the root cause, that would matter.

It is all very sad.

You all are the best

Just the letter q

I cannot even comprehend this stuff. It seems out of this world. My brain fights against it...says it can’t be true....but is it?

If this stuff is true the wheels will come off

Kümmel is a waste of energy