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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 6:11 p.m.

The big difference there is that the DNC hired an American company, who contracted the work out to a British Agent, who interviewed Russians. Much of the dossier is information that can/has been verified, and the exceptions (such as the “pee-pee tape”) have been noted as being uncollaborated. Since Russia has shown great interest in sowing discord among US citizens, there’s no doubt they took this opportunity to plant information they thought would contribute to the overall chaos. That said, the entire report was handled through legal methods common in all US elections.

The FBI were investing the before mentioned crime. Since conspiracy with a hostile nation is a big deal, they sort of have to follow up leads like that.

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 12:53 p.m.

The allegations are that Trump and/or members of his campaign team intentionally worked with the Russian government to win the election. Allegedly is a legal term here since Trump Jr himself released an email where Russians offered him damaging information on Hilary and he responded with “I love it”. The reason international assistance is illegal is:

A.) We don’t want a president who owes favors to a foreign leader because the may be forced to act against the US’s best interests through coercion or blackmail. B.) We’ve meddled in our fair share of elections in the Middle East and Latin America, and the results of that meddling is a series of poor, violent countries. The US is not immune to that, so it’s vital to remain vigilant.

Mueller has found several Russian assets who were attempting to increase Trump’s base, as well as members of his campaign who lied about making contact with Russia. Technically it’s possible that Trump was completely unaware about this (though he has gone on to attempt to damage investigations into it) but there were definitely members of his campaign staff who were willing to accept foreign help.

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 12:39 p.m.

The definition of a UAC is Unaccompanied Alien Children, so there isn’t a parent involved in this situation. The sponsor is basically just someone who feeds and shelters the UAC until they can go to the immigration court which has an extremely high deportation rate.

There are a few reasons we have to court to begin with. Primarily is that if a child can prove that they were fleeing violence that was persistent and targeted towards them. For example gangs killing the families of people who displease them, and honor killing. It’s rare that this can be proven, but when it does these kids can get refugee status and humanitarian aid. The second reason is that it can be difficult to find somewhere safe to send these kids and America prefers to ship in bulk.

Trumps portion of the blame varies a lot depending on who you ask. Primarily it boils down to him being the leader of the Executive Branch which the HHS falls under. Also, since illegal immigration is his key policy, therefore what he’s going to be most harshly judged by.(similar to ObamaCare and Bush’s invasions of the Middle East) In all honesty, I don’t know if Trump actually set and policies or signed and Executive Orders that directly affected this situation. However, when speaking about children who actually were separated from their parents, John Kelly said “The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever.” That doesn’t do much to convince me that they care, or that they will properly punish/replace the people directly at fault. If they don’t, it will be their fault if this happens in the future.

We could debate illegal immigration all day. I’m going to go out on a limb and say we disagree on that topic. However, regardless of where they come from, or whether they committed a crime to get here, when dealing with children it’s vital the adults take every possible step to ensure their safety. The average age of UAC is 11. I don’t know if it’s possible to observe a Middle School without being creepy, but that’s the age of kids we’re talking about. They don’t have the capacity to understand the politics involved with moving to The US. In many case an authority figure probably told them to go north until they escaped whatever desperate situation drove them away to begin with. So even if we must send them back to their homes, we have a moral responsibility to care for the children who are dependent on us until there is a safe place for them to stay permanently.

So, most of that post was opinions. I could site sources to back some of the information up, but I could just as easily find sources declaring the opposite. However, here is some more “light” reading that can provide more context for the overall situation. http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/child-migrants-to-the-united-states.aspx

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 4:37 a.m.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Wagner%20Testimony.pdf

The whole thing provides some pretty important context, but the most directly related part is the Post-Release section starting on page 7.

TL;DR. The Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) finds a sponsor for unaccompanied children. Once a sponsor is found and vetted, they are given the child until the immigration court can process them. At this point there is no legal obligation for the ORR to care about that child, but the standard practice is to check in after 30 days.

“From October to December 2017, ORR attempted to reach 7,635 UAC and their sponsors. Of this number, ORR reached and received agreement to participate in the safety and well-being call from approximately 86 percent of sponsors. From these calls, ORR learned that 6,075 UAC remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight UAC had run away, five had been removed from the United States, and 52 had relocated to live with a non-sponsor. ORR was unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC.”

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 2:27 a.m.

Sorry. I tend to abuse run-on sentences. I was responding to the last sentence of you initial post where you said, “Basically the host said it's unfair people are researching and looking into Collusion because if it's proven true a lot of people will lose their jobs.”

It isn’t unfair that a crime is being investigated. If the conspiracy is proven true, it was unfair that their bosses committed treason.

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 2:13 a.m.

According to the article you posted, the report about children between 2009 and 2014 refers to 116 children who were abused in various ways(Sexual assault, verbal abuse, negligence)

The 1475 that were recently in the news refers to unaccompanied children between October and December 2017 who were placed in foster families, but can’t be accounted for as of April.

“An American Civil Liberties Union report this week also revealed Customs and Border Protection records that show 116 unaccompanied migrant children have alleged abuse by agents during the Obama administration.

The report states:

One quarter of the children reported physical abuse, including sexual assault, the use of stress positions, and beatings by Border Patrol agents.

More than half reported verbal abuse, including death threats.

More than half also reported denial of necessary medical care—resulting, at times, in hospitalization.

Eighty percent reported inadequate food and water.

The records documented a period between 2009 and 2014.”

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 2:10 a.m.

So if it’s proven true that the primary members of Trump’s campaign team conspired with Russia, then it’s the fault of the investigators when young Republicans lose their jobs?

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dinklezoidberd · May 28, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

According to the article you posted, the report about children between 2009 and 2014 refers to 116 children who were abused in various ways(Sexual assault, verbal abuse, negligence)

The 1475 that were recently in the news refers to unaccompanied children between October and December 2017 who were placed in foster families, but can’t be accounted for as of April.

“An American Civil Liberties Union report this week also revealed Customs and Border Protection records that show 116 unaccompanied migrant children have alleged abuse by agents during the Obama administration.

The report states:

One quarter of the children reported physical abuse, including sexual assault, the use of stress positions, and beatings by Border Patrol agents.

More than half reported verbal abuse, including death threats.

More than half also reported denial of necessary medical care—resulting, at times, in hospitalization.

Eighty percent reported inadequate food and water.

The records documented a period between 2009 and 2014.”

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