I have come to the conclusion that Amalthus is actually the most sympathetic villain in the game

**Literally everything up to his death at the hands of Jin is caused by shit that is completely out of control or a botched attempt in fixing the things he fucked up. His life started out (effectively) with his mother being killed by bandits/ whatever bad guys- which caused him to start hating the world. However, despite this, he still lived a "virtuous life", helping the needy and the life, despite his inner thoughts. In one instance, one of the guys he helps turns around and murders an entire family and loots the house, which again is only stopped by Amalthus' intervention. It appears that at this point that he seriously begins to question if the world is as it should be, so he climbs the World Tree to ask the Architect if this the life that was intended. When he got there, he couldn't find the Architect (who later revealed that he refused to speak with him, fully knowing what would happen if Amalthus took the aegis crystals and awakened them).

So with "heaven" basically empty, Amalthus takes the things that he finds there as proof he was there, and then later awakens Malos. Amalthus apparently didn't realize that Malos would be totally colored by his hatred of the world, rather than his good deeds, and Malos then proceeds to act on "hating the world" by attempting to destroy it. Amalthus, knowing he fucked up but not knowing how, then has someone else (Addam) awaken Mythra, who then beats Malos at the cost of destroying several continents.

So Malos gets beat, and Addam returns home to Torna. Amalthus, seeing how destructive the Aegis blades were, resolved to completely destroy Torna, so as to make sure that their world ending power would never be used again. Unfortunately, unbeknowest to Amalthus, Addam actually was first sealing away Mythra in the belly of this giant Torna ship, and he disappeared afterwards, which means that Amalthus, attempting to fix his mistake, instead destroyed an entire continent for nothing. Amalthus at this point decided that based on what he found at the World Tree, no one would ever be permitted to scale it, so as to prevent the destruction of the world.

Over the years it appears that Amalthus began collecting blades and core crystals, and it appeared that his views were changing as well. As his only real contact with the "divine" was through Malos, it appears Amalthus began to arrive at the conclusion that since Malos was born of the "divine", the Architect must also hate the world and want it destroyed. This began to feed Amalthus' delusions of grandeur, and he began more and more to see himself as the chosen of the Architect. To this end, he began collecting blades and "cleansing" them in order to fuel his big dumb superman suit.

However, this wasn't enough to make him become "evil". What really began to tip him over the edge was the arrival of Rex with Pyra. He also realized that Malos had returned, and he desperately wished to correct his mistake once and for all, and find a way to get rid of both Aegis. So he recruited Rex to kill Malos, and ideally find a way to get rid of Mythra/ Pyra before they, in his mind, went the way of Malos. When Rex failed to kill Malos, and Pyra/ Mythra was taken, Amalthus desperately tried to take matters into his own hands using Indol itself and the other titans to kill Malos.

He became even more desperate when he learned that Rex had no intention of killing Jin and Malos, only in stopping them from destroying the world, and that Rex intended to climb the World Tree and meet the Architect.

When Mikael destroyed Indol, Amalthus escaped and sought to stop Torna from ascending the World Tree. To this end, he killed Patroka and Akhos to fuel his machine, and attempted to kill Jin to once and for all prevent anyone from ascending the World Tree. In the final moments of his life, as Jin proceeded to impale and freeze him to death, Amalthus, in a frantic cry, questioned why he was not the Architect's choosen, despite living his entire life by his will. His last words (besides "Mother, I've missed you") were "Father, why won't you answer when I call?"

Amalthus spent his entire life in service to the Architect. He dedicated everything he did to doing what he believed to be the Architect's will, and with all the information he had, he has a pretty good reason for thinking he was right.

tl;dr Amalthus did (almost) nothing wrong**

>>14085688

Fucked up spoilers, ignore this post if able

>>14085920

>>14085834

Amalthus is clearly a nihilist, much like Jin, but Amalthus clearly believes he is in the right when he does some pretty shitty things, while Jin literally straight up admits that the stuff he is doing is fucked up and Lora would hate him for it. Amalthus basically acts like a shithead because he believes its the Architect's will for the most part; Jin acts like a shithead because "I made a promise" and he decides the best way not to break it is to literally destroy the entire world.

I'm not saying that he was totally justified in doing "everything" he did, hence the (almost), but the vast majority of the stuff he did was for a good reason, or an apparently good reason.

>>14085807

1. I thought there was a line somewhere that said they evacuated some people, but not everyone. It seemed like it was kind of an afterthought, rather than an intentional "you can't hurt me unless you want to kill all the shit eating refugees".

2. This kind of factors into Amalthus' desperation at the time. Pretty shitty thing to do, but at this point he is full on "The Architect literally created all of existence for my benefit", which factors into how Amalthus' understanding of all of the events in his life has led him to believe he is literally God's chosen one, or should be anyways.

3. This is probably the only really shitty thing that he did afterwards. Amalthus clearly was exploiting them for their core chips, but I don't know how aware he was of how much this was absolutely devastating the land. Not that he probably cared much anyways

4. Also kind of shitty, but this kind of factors into his belief that the Architect wanted the world destroyed.

>>14086096

>>14086065

Pretty much

Although its arguable to say that blades can really influence their drivers, or should influence them, as the Architect states that the blades were created pretty much as an attempt to prevent humanity from destroying itself like Klaus. Klaus, much like Amalthus, hated humanity and sought to make it better by "starting over". It was only when he actually did destroy pretty much all of humanity that he regretted it and tried to fix his mistake. But he clearly should have seen that Amalthus was going to be just like him, and when he had the opportunity to ACTUALLY fix his mistake, he said "eh well everything is fucked anyways, might as well let the guy who will probably destroy the world do it". If Rex and the others didn't bail out the Architect by killing Amalthus, he probably would have killed Jin, and then Malos would have destroyed the entire planet.

Seriously, the Architect could have prevented 500 years of conflict if he just wasn't such a defeatist bitch

>>14086096

>Girl

>>14086101

I've always thought the way that line was delivered was really weirdly sexual.

>>14086184

Well I mean, its the delivery that is just lewd mostly.

Like, the "meh meh meh" makes sense, as Tora basically says that all the time. But Tora says it like really fast like "mehmehmeh" as if it was one word.

Poppi QT delivers the line whenever you put I think art in Tora's pouch, which is one of her favorite classes of items. However, instead of saying the "mehmehmeh" like Tora, her "mehmehmeh" is said with the "I'm literally cumming right now" inflection, followed by the "Poppi's heart full". So instead of sounding like she is copying the mannerisms of her creator, she just sounds like she is getting fucked by a painting.

I don't think its autism, I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that Poppi isn't technically born until early in the game, and therefore her social skills are pretty non-existent.

You can still pretend if you want though anon

>>14086246

Its possible. He clearly didn't think very much of Amalthus, but they really did want the same thing in the end ultimately, probably as a result of Amalthus imprinting on him.

I also have the theory that the Architect is such a fuck up in the same way that Zanza was an evil bastard- neither of them are a whole person, and their brain, being split between right and left across dimensions, makes it so that Zanza (who is effectively Klaus's "left brain") possesses only left brain characteristics, namely he is logical, analytical, and "specific". This is backed up by the fact that his world was created more less all at once, and his plan for his return was a very elaborate series of events over several hundred years that would culminate in the death of his vessel and the rebirth of his body. However, as he effectively has no "right brain", he lacks expression and "emotional intelligence" (e.g. any sort of empathy). Zanza's world was designed with logic in mind- everything had a purpose, which was to come back to him.

On the other hand, the Architect only possessed his "right brain", which would be high in emotional intelligence, but not necessarily abundant in logic. The Architect's world was created as the result of an evolution hundreds or thousands of species into humanity- life wasn't created by the Architect for a specific purpose other than as a form of assuaging the Architect's guilt for destroying humanity the first time. He also appears to be extremely empathetic compared to Zanza, referring to both humans and blades alike as his "children", while Zanza pretty much saw them only as "bacteria". It also makes more sense that the Architect is so wrapped up in his emotional melancholy that he literally causes almost every conflict in the game because he couldn't think rationally about a situation, and instead he is so wrapped up in his emotional guilt that he almost destroys the world, albeit through inaction, a second time.

>>14086417

That makes sense.

It could be along the lines of him being like "I know what you want, and I won't let you convince yourself or me otherwise".

Its also probably alluded to when Malos appears to be visibly affected when Rex says his will to destroy isn't really his own, and he even says that he is a shitty person in every way along with everyone else. Even when Malos dies and Rex tries to tell him things would be different if he was the driver, Malos says "there was only ever one driver for me"

>>14086554

Yeah probably, but considering that is far more egregious unscientific bullshit in this game, this doesn't seem so bad, and works to the writer's credit, even if its technically false.

Like, I can buy that Nia, Pyra, Bridig, and Poppy are all like stupidly strong based on them being blades, but Morag is just someone who is fairly regular, albeit somewhat fanatical about training, and is easily the best driver in Alrest? Come on now, that girl doesn't look that /fit/, and she is a girl

Jesus fuck did anyone actually play the game?

Or at least the game with English?

You'd think that the dubbing is the anti-christ, but its better than the original Nip version half the time.

Azurda/ Seiryu and Malos sound way better in English than in Japanese.

Pyra sounds pretty good… Mythra is weirdly so much worse, despite being the same VA.

Tora and Poppi are good.

Only Zeke and Rex sound like complete shit compared to the Jap version, at least out of the main cast. Which is really stunning considering that typically most "dub games" are objectively worse with every single character, instead of like half of them.

The English VA for the blades are generally all over the place. Perun and Zenobia are palpably awful with their VAs, while Elektra and Kora are really standout in that they actually sell the character.

If there is anything consistently shitty with the voices, its mostly due to the "we're going to try to match the lips to the words, even when it creates random pauses" followed by "lol we're not even going to try that shit" like in the same scene, which basically rapes and murders every other dramatic scene.

The scene where Rex awakens Pneuma comes to mind

>>14090323

Not physically

>>14090357

Its not even the overacting, its just that the characters don't match the voices sometimes. Homura/ Pyra just sounds… really young in the Nip version.

As for Tora, its personally not that big of a deal to me. Both are equally annoying to me, but I feel like momomomomo wouldn't be even slightly endearing based on the English VA for Tora. Mehmehmeh doesn't even bother me anymore.

Although I could be biased towards English Pyra because she sounds like and has the same mannerisms as a girl I had a crush on for years. She ended up marrying a doctor.

>>14090643

>>14090679

E-celeb shit needs to go.

Anyone who takes their opinion seriously is retarded, especially dunkey, who has made videos of him shitting on games he thought were okay.

Like this is cuckchan tier shit, who gives even 1/100 of shit?

>Using pneuma and a seven element burst, with pneuma landing the final burst on Ophion

>activate the burst at half health

>it survives and one shots my entire party, with the exception of rex who survives by some miracle with one health (I don't have any protective "revival" equipment, so I have 0 idea how I survived.

>Rex and Mythra solo the remaining health

>mfw

>>14092003

there you go fag >>14086246

Pyra best girl

>>14095326

It actually has a weird fucked up logic that since Tora is a Nopon, he has trouble distinguishing between sexes for humans, other than mannerisms, and since Morag basically acts like a dude 95% of the time, he just assumed that Morag must be a guy.

>>14095581

>>14095527

Well, according to Mikael, she is actually pretty attractive in-universe, so if she actually wanted it I can't imagine she would have a hard time of it.

>>14095581

Usually these theories strike me as the fetish wishful thinking, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me, especially given the fact that in Kora's sidequest she says that she hasn't really even been interested in any sort of relationship since it would take away from her training time.

>>14095978

Morag is tomboyish though.

Doesn't mean that she can't be cute

>>14096179

There is actually shockingly little of the game in general. Even the stuff for main best girl Pyra is pretty bare, let alone Nia or anyone else.

Hopefully that changes over time.

>>14096245

I have to admit I'm running out of things to do. I've finished almost every quest in the game and most of the blade quests that I have left are just miserable grinds for trust to complete them. I've killed half the superbosses and the only ones that I have left just piss me off more than anything rather than challenge me (looking at you Chickenheart).

>>14096659

The girl literally spends every waking hour refining her training and technique.

She wears full military regalia at all times and when someone suggests she wear a dress or some heels sometime, she tells them to go die in a fire.

In pretty much every single "girl talk", she is the one who is always out of the loop because she doesn't share the "girly" interests as any of the other females e.g. when Kora and Mythra are talking about "boys", Morag is the one who states that she doesn't have any interest in a sort of relationship because it would interfere with her training.

Having an interest in skin care is not enough to outweigh the fact that she is fanatically dedicated military officer, who would never be caught dead wearing "girly" clothes and who doesn't want to be in any sort of relationship because it would interfere with her duties. Hell, she even basically cut all familial ties with her brother because she didn't want it interfering with her duty.

Does this sound like the personality of a "girly girl" to you?