>>16933188

A lot of people want a new site as a direct Fatchan successor with just /v/ and maybe a few other boards, but nobody has launched one besides the OpenNIC guy and an OpenNIC-only site isn't going to take off. After that a lot of people favored 8chan.se/vg/ (the 8chan.se board with a new board owner instead of Mark) but in practice not many people are trying to post there and it's dead. 8chan.se/v/ currently has an active meta thread and GG thread, but is otherwise dead. Julay/v/ has had a significant boost in activity, clearly a significant number of people are posting there at the moment, but not nearly the number of people who went to Fatchan and I think a lot of them don't want to settle there. Julay/meta/ has a lot of the meta discussion. A lot of anons might be lurking multiple boards and waiting, hopefully they don't get dispirited and wander off.

http://poal.me/r2klua

Some guy on Julay was saying 3 people were planning to launch sites, but who knows if that'll happen and if they'll have /v/.

http://archive.is/4BSvZ#selection-62555.0-62557.0

>>16933212

In terms of the poll and conversations, I say later in the same sentence that people didn't even up actually going there.

>>16933195

>>16933218

I'll repost my list of suggestions for hosts and registrars:

Potential hosts I know of for a (/v/-only or just a few boards) webring site, does anyone have others to suggest? I am not an expert and mainly went by hosts I saw others using or recommending as free-speech hosts, this is not exhaustive and I haven't looked that deeply.

1. Buyvm.net, which used to host Fatchan and still hosts Julay and smug. Obvously the fact they took down Fatchan is not promising, but supposedly part of that is because they were using anycast IPs that relied on Voxility. Also the log mentions Fatchan's (almost entirely inactive) /pol/ board so a /v/-only board might not run into that problem.

2. www.trabia.com, the host in Moldova used by Exhentai. Not sure what their stance on "hate speech" is but for a /v/-only site they might be good, hopefully a loli-allowing host in Moldova isn't going to flip out because someone in a videogame thread said "nigger". Their TOS mentions they will ban you for certain illegal activities but doesn't mention any non-illegal things they will ban you for. Has their own DDOS-protection service included, though it looks like if you actually come under attack and need to announce prefixes they charge you 100€ per month, probably more than you'll be paying for the hosting itself.

3. Steadfast.net hosts Sankaku Complex, including their booru that has a loli tag and makes no attempt to hide it. They are probably the most mainstream host on the list and seem to cater to businesses. Requires you get a quote from them rather than having prices on their website. In trying to look up their policies I saw this 2014 Slashdot comment:

>SomethingAwful is over at Steadfast.net, who has a rather first-amendment heavy interpretation of most laws. I know first-hand how their abuse desk works, and they'll allow practically anything that's not explicitly illegal.

While obvously allowing SA is not the most glowing recommendation it might indicate they don't respond to frivolous complaints, since SA used to piss plenty of people off back in the day. The better evidence is probably the Sankaku Complex booru though. Their TOS doesn't allow piracy even via hosting torrent files rather than content itself. Pretty unclear how they would handle either /pol/ or offensive content on non-/pol/ boards.

1. nearlyfreespeech.net Included because they're a U.S. host named after free speech that supposedly takes it seriously, but it looks like their pay-as-you-go pricing scheme might be too expensive for an imageboard.

2. zensurfrei.com I don't know anyone that used them but their entire website is about how much they care about free-speech and how they don't believe in hate-speech. Might be more oriented towards /pol/ but they probably allow loli too. Their site is pretty ambiguous about exactly what sort of resources they give you for any particular price, you have to talk to them. I read a comment that you pay them by mailing an envelope of cash so it might take time to set up.

3. Flokinet talks about free speech on their website but here is someone talking about how they banned his site for offensive content:

http://archive.is/dEVWA

1. 1984hosting.com Based in Iceland. Based in Iceland, not sure what their loli laws are like. Named after the novel and in the same Slashdot thread someone said "they have defended their customers freedom of speech all the way up to the highest court in Iceland numerous times", don't know how true that is nowadays. [UPDATE: I have been informed Iceland explicitly bans loli and has hate-speech laws.]

2. alexhost.com Another host in Moldova, they proudly boast about ignoring DMCA (which they can do since they're not in the U.S.), but the page also mentions freedom of speech and only mentions illegal activities as banned.

https://alexhost.com/page/dmca-ignored-vps--dedicated-servers/

Continued:

>>16933224

1. ititch.com U.S. host, their website proudly talks about how they're committed to free-speech and privacy and will keep sites up in the face of opposition. Primarily (only?) payable in bitcoin, and lets you pay anonymously. However their low-priced options all have a pretty small amount of storage space, so for an imageboard it might be too expensive. I'm not sure just how much storage space would realistically be needed.

2. lolekhosted.net Moldova host, their website proudly brags "Never Receive Abuse Complaint", "You can host anything here!", "Marketing Emails, Scanning and more allowed", and "no-log policy". Clearly they cater more to piracy, spammers, and criminals of various sorts. But presumably at the point where you put "Never Receive Abuse Complaint" on your website you're not shutting anyone down for loli or controversial politics either. Can be paid in cryptocurrency. Be careful about backups in case they suddenly get shut down by Moldova police for some of the other stuff I assume is on their servers. Supposedly they've been around for 11 years but it looks like they were in Poland instead 2 years ago (according to a comment that said they allowed anything except CP). Only offers 40GB of space unless you're paying $100 per month or more, so same potential problem as the last one.

3. Colocation. I don't know much about this but colocation services might be more permissive. I noticed Trabia offered it but there are countless others.

4. Having a server in your house and paying for some sort of business account from you ISP that gives sufficient upload and doesn't forbid servers. Shows your IP if you don't use a service like Vanwatech or Cloudflare. Hard to shut down if you aren't doing anything illegal in your country, because it's your own damn server. If you compare with the plans we're thinking about it's not like the nessesary hardware is really all that expensive, and some or all of it might be in a spare computer you already own. The business account is probably the more expensive part, depending on where you live.

Registrars:

1. Eranet International at Now.top is some Chinese (formerly Hong Kong) registrar that hasn't taken down 8kun.top despite extensive efforts against them, after several other domains were taken down. That seems as resilient as it gets.

2. Smug just switched to Tucows. They banned 8chan but should be more resilient than most to a random angry email. It's looks like Tucows doesn't sell them directly but goes through various resellers, so you would go to a Tucows reseller like EasyDNS, which supposedly is resistant as well.

3. r01.ru is used by dailystormer.su. They used to be at dailystormer.name using Eranet, and that domain is still under Eranet and redirects, so they weren't taken down from there either. Russia bans loli, I don't know if that would affect the decisions of a registrar. Looks like their website is only in Russian, which might be inconvenient. Searching their name finds this wiki complaining about them providing services for fake pharmacies, and they have a list of other offenders that might be of interest:

https://fraud-reports.wikia.org/wiki/R01_RU

Obvously just because a registrar allows criminals doesn't mean they allow legal but controversial sites, but it might indicate a registrar that just doesn't care about complaints in general. (For example I saw the aforementioned EasyDNS praised on blackhatforums for "only suspending sites for a court order", but they're a reseller for Tucows which banned 8chan. Though as mentioned they still might be better than most for sites that don't attract 8chan levels of notoriety.)

1. On a similar note here is an article with a list of "bulletproof" registrars used for piracy sites and various illegal activity. https://web.archive.org/web/20200430160454/https://medium.com/@chris.ambler.domains/bulletproof-domain-registrars-in-the-world-c749d5e66259

However note most (all) of them are resellers rather than ICANN accredited registrars, so someone could go further up the chain to see if the company they resell from will ban you. But some of those companies they resell from are Chinese or whatever and probably don't care.

1. Some of the registrars on this list of hosts and registrars that allow warez might be okay:

http://archive.is/oRznG

Many of the hosts on that list aren't, I went through the lists under "U.S.", "Moldova", and "Other Hoster with many locations" and incorporated a few good ones but the others had policies against "racial hatred" or the like. Registrars seem a bit harder to evaluate but the nice thing with them is they just need to send it out to DNS providers, there's not really technical requirements and weird foreign registrars should work just as well.

>>16933225

Technical requirements and pricing

The Fatchan board owner said he paid around $50 a month and didn't hit any limits hosting all of /v/. The Julay/meta/ sticky says this about their server:

>2x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1241 v3 @ 3.50GHz 8GB RAM 180GB SSD

DDOS-protection, if it ends up being nessesary, is trickier and ranges widely in price, from free to significantly more expensive than hosting, and different types of DDOS protection might not be very similar.

Also the owner of anon.cafe recently uploaded this which might help make it easier if someone wants to try making a Fatchan sucessor (though it's for Lynxchan instead of JSChan if you want the same software as well):

InstantIB.LynxChan: An Imageboard Host Builder

https://anon.cafe/meta/res/10678.html

http://archive.is/JlpJY

>>16933229

The U.S. government has never tried going after a website for loli, probably because they know the law is unconstitutional, and if they started it wouldn't be with some webring board rather than 4chan or Fakku or the boorus. Even less likely if it's not hosted here. Also some of the places I suggested let you pay anonymously with cryptocurrency without telling them who you are. (Monero is the anonymous cryptocurrency but if they want Bitcoin it's trivial to use XMR.to to pay monero and have it converted by them.)

>>16933237

1. 8kun administration is worried about the U.S. government finding an excuse to fuck with them, even though they didn't do anything like that at the height of 8chan's notoriety.

2. Jim has called loli CP on a stream and is not sufficiently committed to free speech to take on even a tiny risk for it.

3. 8kun administration has a simplistic understanding of the law legal system where if something isn't 100% unambiguously legal it's illegal. But strictly speaking violating an unconstitutional law isn't illegal, the constitution is the highest law in the land, the legal fight in this unlikely scenario would be trying to get the courts to acknowledge you were never violating the law in the first case. This sounds like semantics but it's not - the reason the federal government isn't going after companies like Fakku is probably because they know they won't win. This means it hasn't been actually declared unconstitutional, but if the government isn't charging you for something because they know it's actually legal then it IS legal, both technically and in practice.

>>16933245

Sankaku Complex is hosted in the U.S., including their booru with a loli tag that makes no effort to hide it. Many other boorus are probably also in the U.S. but it's harder to tell because they use Cloudflare. MangaGamer's website is hosted in the U.S. and they're a company that licenses and sells it commercially. Fakku is behind Cloudflare so I don't know if their server is in the U.S. for certain, but they're a U.S. based company that licenses and sells it commercially. PornHub is hosted in the U.S. and has loli hentai. And so on.

>>16933597

Mark isn't board owner anymore, Ron anchored it himself. Backstory:

Mark stickied an open letter calling out the 8kun administration for various issues, including them not migrating loli boards as a form of soft-censorship. They both fired him and removed him as /v/ board owner. Ron said they would migrate loli boards in 2 weeks after switching servers, but first he would talk to 2 lawyers to make sure it was completely safe legally. Mark makes a /v/ on the webring board fatchan.org as a potential migration target, but after sperging super-hard and deleting a bunch of posts from even people defending him he deletes the whole board. The fat/v/ board is claimed by some anonymous Italian guy. Acid Man begins working on his own site, meant to be a proper sucessor to 8chan. A week later after talking to 1 lawyer 8kun administration apparently decides it's legally risky based on an obscenity law that has never been applied to any website despite many other sites hosting loli or selling it commercially without problems. 8kun bans loli site-wide, not just loli boards, posting it now gets you a permaban from the whole site. People begin to migrate en-masse to the /v/ on fatchan.org. Every /v/ volunteer but 1 resigns in protest. Several other boards migrate to sites on the webring or have board-owners removed after they post loli in protest or sticky calls for migration. Fatchan is great and is very popular with users, with a /v/ board owner who seems decent and based on JSChan which functions well unlike this site. /v/ sucessfully pulls off a full migration, 8kun drops to single-digit PPH that are all in the meta thread while fat/v/ picks up everyone. Someone who has been emailing every service provider for every imageboard trying to get them shut down gets Voxility, which was providing Fatchan's host with anycast service, to blackhole the site, apparently based on them hosting a dead /pol/ with a couple dozen posts total. Rather than switching to not using anycast and using a single server in the U.S. instead, and concerned about his host potentially getting blacklisted by Voxility even if he isn't using anycast himself anymore, the Fatchan owner shuts down the site. Anons scatter, largely unwilling to return to 8kun and unsure of where to go. Acid Man has launched 8chan.se at this point (Mark provided half the funding and helped him get in contact with a programmer but is not part of the administration) but coincidentally his DDOS-protection VanwaTech is doing infrastructure upgrades so his site was having severe technical issues. Currently we are divided between julay.world/v/, which seems to have picked up some of the activity but not all of it like fat/v/ did, 8kun where nobody wants to be but some people are reluctantly posting, 8chan.se/v/ which is owned by Mark and is dead, and 8chan.se/vg/ which has a new board owner but is also dead. Lots of people want a new webring site for /v/ and a few other boards as a direct sucessor to Fatchan but it has not materialized, though supposedly there are a few people working on new webring sites and hopefully one of them will host /v/. If that doesn't happen I think the most acceptable option is 8chan.se/vg/, but so far not many people are posting there.

>>16933620

There was no mention of loli in the logs the Fatchan administrator released. We don't have any direct quotes from Voxility but /pol/ was what the website host mentioned in the conversation.

>>16933791

See:

>>16933195

Most active site right now is julay/v/, but their moderation seems terrible and they apparently still ban GG or sufficiently GG-related discussions. As an example, here's a mod yesterday justifying locking a thread about the Last of Us leaks, one of the most active threads on the board (though he eventually unlocked it):

http://archive.is/kJh0g#selection-52369.0-52369.5

Personally I favor 8chan.se/vg/, it has a new board owner who says he wants to moderate lightly and with a similar style to the fat/v/ board owner, but nobody is posting there. A new site as a direct successor to Fatchan might be best at gathering everyone back together, but we can't be sure if one will materialize. Some advice if you want to make it yourself:

>>16933224

>>16934238

The problem isn't too many options, it's that people don't like any of them enough to unify there. Fatchan got a full migration no problem, nobody was splitting off to Julay, because it it had a clean slate and the board owner seemed reasonable.