Would anyone be interested in some explanation of what "occultism" means and how all of this spooky stuff people have been alluding to works? I know at least several if not most of you have expressed a belief in the idea that we as a group of people were meant to come together as we did (Chris included), but for most it seems to just be to the point of knowing that there's more to what's going on than we're aware (likely in part because of some of what Q has said). Of course, maybe some of you even know more than I do. That said, I've been studying, reading etc for the last three years, and I feel I know enough that I could shed light on some important things, such as reasons to believe consciousness isn't physical, how Kek works, how reality works in relation to this stuff, etc.

I'm well aware that, from an outsider's perspective, whenever most of you have read about this kind of thing, you probably thought it was stupid, meaningless word salad with no practical application. That was me before I delved into it (I was an agnostic atheist). I've always tried as hard as possible to understand the theory behind things, rather than being one of those people who says "namaste" all the time and regurgitates useless bullshit like "you need to raise your vibration and become one with the universe, man; open your third eye" without understanding anything. You can all easily find this information by scouring the internet (there are even a few boards here, such as >>>/fringe/, although the board culture there is discouraging), but if anyone would like, I could explain stuff like pic related (something Chris retweeted), answer questions, provide books (I have thousands) and point people in the right direction.

Not scary at all! That or I'm just used to it by now.. Light is always welcome!

If you can explain stuff without word salad we're all ears (eyes?), altough it may be redundant right now since we probably know it already :) Be careful exploring your creation abilities as they have consequences in my experiences, always one for learning the hard way..

Just don't try to make logical sense out of it, and you're already way "ahead" (time is an illusion anyway) of "me" (us, we, etc.)

>>2566

You probably know plenty yourself, but I know some of the people here have no idea. One of us may as well.

>>2563

youtube.com/watch?v=CBrsWPCp_rs

Watch this. It's life.

I'm down to discuss! Not spooky to me. Roths version is though. I see it as strong beautiful LIFE creation through choice of your own mind and emotions. /pol is a perfect example of like minds creating reality of their choice. It's incredible!

I'm going to explain the things I think would be useful to explain in several parts (partly because it'll be easier to grasp if I don't go too crazy early on, and partly because I'm a busy person). The ultimate goal is for you all to know how the elite have been influencing reality so that maybe you can do it too, but in a positive way. Maybe it'll be useful for solving the VQC, too, if it keeps going as slowly as it's going. I would hope that at least most of you would be receptive to this information, given we're all here because of the crazy shit Q and VQC have been saying (remember, VQC said Agartha was real). That said, it wouldn't surprise me if any of the lurkers thinks I'm a nutcase after this. I definitely don't have any mental illnesses (I have seen a psychiatrist once), and all of the information I will provide is information that you can either verify for yourself using scientific methodology (I avoided using the word science because it isn't physical) or that came from books that other people wrote.

Astral Projection

I've always thought this was a good first thing to learn about, even before getting into any theory, because a great deal of the world has heard about it or experienced it themselves, and everyone in the world can use it to prove other things to themselves too. If you haven't heard of it, you may have heard of near death experiences, in which people feel like they're floating around externally from their physical body. You may have also heard of remote viewing, which is very similar, and which you can learn about through declassified CIA documents (look up Project Stargate). It allows you to fly around, visit people, go to space, etc. There has always been much debate as to whether it is a genuine separation of consciousness and the physical body, or if it's some kind of strange visualization of the subconscious mind. If someone were to suggest that there is a non-physical aspect of reality, they wouldn't be able to prove or disprove that with science. Physics, chemistry and biology obviously rely on particles. Firstly, I'll explain why I and many others think it's a genuine separation of the mind and the physical body, and secondly, I'll explain how to do it and provide some resources.

One aspect of astral projection and remote viewing that stands out in terms of its meaning is the reports of people being able to gain information from the physical world that they didn't otherwise know. Whether you think this is all stupid or not, this is something every person anywhere can train themselves to do, so you can go away and prove everything I'm saying wrong if you really want to. There are very specific methods you would need to use to do this, which I'll get into. Astral projection and remote viewing were studied by the CIA (I remember reading somewhere that a woman read the serial number of an orbiting satellite that she had no conceivable possibility of already knowing, for example; another example, acknowledged by Jimmy Carter, is a woman reciting co-ordinates while in a trance state, which were then used to find a missing plane) and the Monroe Institute (an example of their findings was the ability to give one person a message, have them and another person project, have the first person tell the other the message, and then when the second person wakes up they can successfully recount the message). There is also vast evidence (although obviously anecdotal) to support the idea that you can find information in a non-physical way. This is all evidence produced by other people. What I'm suggesting is that you can figure out if this is real for yourself.

You may already have an idea of how you can prove this to yourself, but there are some important details to consider. Obviously the first thing you need to do is to figure out how to do this. I'll explain that below.

One of the other things to consider is how memory of astral projection works. Astral projection occurs during sleep (remote viewing takes place in deep trance when you're awake, but I know less about this, so I'll just explain things related to projection). In order to remember what happens, you need to follow the same procedures as you would to remember your dreams.

>keep a dream journal

The more attention you give to your dreams, the more easily you will remember them. Writing down what happens during your dreams helps markedly.

>wake up directly after you dream

There are two parts to sleep: short wave sleep and rapid eye movement sleep. These occur in cycles of increasing length throughout the night (towards the end they take 90 minutes or so together). Without going into too much unnecessary detail, dreams occur during REM sleep. If you don't wake up directly after REM, you are far less likely to remember your dreams, because they will be in short term memory while you go through SWS and your brain processes other things. You'll have to figure it out more specifically for your own subjective conditions, but try setting an alarm for four and a half hours, six hours, seven and a half hours or nine hours after you go to sleep (with maybe fifteen to thirty minutes on top to account for the time it takes for you to get to sleep).

>don't smoke weed

Smoking weed inhibits the depth and length of REM sleep. You may have heard of or experienced the idea that people who smoke weed don't dream. The reason you want to remember your dreams is because astral projection occurs during sleep, so it's the same process.

Another thing to take into account is your ability to alter what you perceive during astral projection. I'll explain further how important this is when I talk about a different topic (about these things called thoughtforms), but all you need to know right now is that, when you're projecting, if you think of something, it'll happen. If you think of a place, you'll instantly be there. If you think of an object, you'll see it in front of you. If you think of a process, it'll happen. What this means is, when you use astral projection to find physical information you didn't already know, if you have even the slightest feeling that you can predict or already know what this information is, you'll see what you think it is rather than what it actually is. This includes subconscious feelings (maybe you've been conditioned to expect a certain thing). In order to gain the correct information, you have to be entirely curious. You can't have any expectations or you'll screw it up.

There are a couple other minor things to consider.

>I don't know much about Circadian rhythm, but I've heard it's important to go to sleep for the first time in the night before midnight based on chemicals in your brain like melatonin.

>you'll be using an alarm, so you might have a tricky situation to figure out if you have a wife or whatever. Sleeping on the couch or on the floor in another room can actually be beneficial, since sleeping where you regularly sleep can put your mind to sleep more easily, and, as I'll explain, you don't want that.

>depending on how easy you find it to project, you may have to develop stronger willpower (as in way, way, way stronger). You're going to be in uncomfortable positions without the ability to move, fighting against your own brain. People who will probably have trouble are, for example, people who are addicted to things like food, porn/masturbation or drugs.

>you might also want to get into a regular meditation routine, to learn to control your thoughts. This can be difficult to figure out but I can explain some things related to this as well if anyone wants.

So obviously what you'll be doing is projecting and finding information you didn't otherwise know. There are countless other things you can do through astral projection, but this the focus of what I'm writing about. The way I'd like to suggest you do it is with something like a deck of playing cards or some dice. You don't need to make anyone else aware of what you're doing this way.

>find a place in your house that nobody will look, including yourself, but where you can easily remember and grab whatever it is you put there whenever you need to

>either pick a card out of the deck without looking and place it there or roll the dice there without looking at the result

>project

>go over there without any assumptions

>retain what's on the card or the dice or whatever

>go back to your body with the fullest intention of remembering

>when you wake up, write down somewhere what you think the card/dice is, if you remember

>go get it

>see if you were right

Simple and repeatable.

This is something you do during sleep (so you don't have to almost die to make it happen). For some people it's easy, and for others it may take several years. That's a very individual thing. If any of you try and it doesn't work, just know that it isn't because you're incapable of doing it. It can also occur through lucid dreams or just spontaneously without your own effort, but if you want to do it willingly, you can learn how. There are countless explanations across the internet and in books. I've attached a few pdfs which go into far more detail, but this is the gist of it.

>wake up after a few sleep cycles

You want to keep your mind awake but let your body go to sleep. That can be an extremely difficult thing to do. People don't tend to be able to do it as they go to sleep at the start of the night. If you wake up directly after a sleep cycle but without having a full night's sleep, your body will feel as if it needs more sleep more than your mind will. Getting up for a little while and maybe splashing water on your face or something like that helps too.

>get physically relaxed

If you have any muscle tension at any point, it'll keep you awake and it'll cause you to move. You need to stay very still, so this is a problem. Progressive Muscle Relaxation is good for this. It's the process of tensing one muscle group (such as clenching your feet) for 15 seconds or so, relaxing it, then moving up throughout each muscle group (so then to your lower legs, then upper legs etc all the way up to your face and scalp). You may have to do it several times, because those muscles tend to tense up again.

>get mentally relaxed

If you've meditated much, you'll probably be fine. Quieting your mental chatter can be quite difficult though. Some common methods involve repeating a certain phrase in your head over and over again for a while (this is called autosuggestion), such as "I'm projecting, I'm projecting, I'm projecting", or counting backwards from 100 and starting again from 30 when you reach 1. This is a subjective thing too, so either experiment or read some books (I have a few I'm pretty sure).

>don't move

You have to stay absolutely still. You can't itch yourself or move into a more comfortable position. Most itches and uncomfortable feelings you get as you go to sleep are ways in which your brain tests if you are still awake in order to shut down certain processes, so you'll need to withstand those feelings (which can get excruciating, can keep you awake, and can break your willpower if you aren't careful and you aren't fully relaxed).

>eventually you'll reach the hypnagogic state

This is when you're on the edge of sleep. You'll (hopefully) be in a bit of a trance, and you'll start seeing floating blobs of colour. It'll become difficult to keep attention at this point. If you let your thoughts distract you here, you'll end up asleep. If you try too hard to pay attention, though, you'll stay awake. It's a difficult thing to describe, and also a difficult thing to get good at. It will almost definitely take practice. Eventually if you can do it you'll lose awareness of your body. You may also get into full sleep paralysis. If this is something that scares you, consciously controlling your breath (e.g. holding your breath or breathing in irregular patterns) will wake you up. If you want to project, this isn't what you want to do. You'll most likely start to hear buzzing noises and feel strange vibration feelings starting from your feet. It will also likely feel as if your heart is beating inhumanly fast. This isn't actually physically happening, however physical it feels. It can feel as if you're going to explode, but trust me, you're going to be fine. It can also be quite startling, and if it happens it can wake you up. Keeping calm and maintaining trance with a clear enough mind is important.

>then you use an exit technique

Once the vibrations and noises are over, you need to create the sensation of movement using your imagination. If you try to move or open your eyes, you may actually physically move or open your actual eyes, which will wake you up. You need to create a feeling of movement with your mind. If you've ever lay in bed and pretended you were moving around and had it feel real, you'll know what I'm talking about. I guess it's also comparable to being in a boat or on a rollercoaster moving around in irregular ways and then, hours later, feeling the sensation that you're moving around like that again as you sit down. You need to figure out how to do that with your mind in order to get out of your body. Some regular techniques include imagining that you're climbing an endless rope into the sky, creating the sensation that you're rocking back and forth from side to side, or feeling as if you're rotating from your head to your feet. This can also take a bit of practice. I hope I explained this well enough.

There are then some things to consider once you're out:

>if you're anywhere near your body, you'll feel drawn to it. You'll want to get away from your body.

>if you think about your body, you'll be back in it instantly, so try to focus on the task at hand.

>if you think negative thoughts a lot or you're depressed or whatever, you might experience a lot of negative things when you project. All you need to do is apply willpower and think yourself into a better situation. To someone who is depressed, that will most likely sound stupid (it did to me when I was depressed anyway), so you'll have to get over that somehow.

>you're not going to die. Don't listen to people who say dumb things like that.

You can either use this information to prove or disprove what I said about consciousness either being non-physical or at the very least being fundamentally misunderstood by modern mainstream science, or, for the sake of the next sections I'll cover, which will contain more practical information that maybe doesn't take so much effort, you can just trust me and the sources I cited. I'm some anonymous guy on the internet talking about crazy bullshit, so I don't really mind what you do or what you think of me. You could also just outright not believe anything I just said. That's how the vast majority of people view this entire topic of conversation, so I know, even amongst this small group of people trying to crack RSA with another crazy internet person's special grid, at least one of you will. If you entirely dismiss everything I've said, you're definitely not going to believe any of the next things I'll talk about, so I don't really have anything to retort.

When I get some more time, the next things I'll cover are thoughtforms (that thing I mentioned earlier), how the place you go when you project (the astral plane) relates to the regular physical world, and how you can use thoughtforms (including this other special type of thoughtform called an egregore) to influence reality. I'll probably mention some of the differences between the stuff I do and the way people tend to hear about it being done (simple thought/trance exercises vs weird Luciferian rituals), and how this relates to Kek and /pol/. Then I may have thought of other important topics to mention, or maybe someone will be curious about something else.

I felt like this thread might be a useful thing to do because I know some of you are aware that the higher ups who are in the process of being arrested or killed used these concepts to control the world. It isn't all inherently evil. These things are all tools, and their effect on the world depends on the intent of those using them. Good people can do good things, and evil people can do evil things. I know all (or probably most) of us here want to help the greater good, and you can use what I'll explain to do that. I don't think I should be your only resource, so if you're impatient or you don't think I'm any good at explaining things, look up creative visualization (try to avoid the explicitly new agey feel-good stuff) and sigils (these fall under the umbrella term of chaos magick, which is another one of those groups like new age (although definitely not to the extent of new age) that misses the point a lot of the time) if you want to get into it immediately. I'd also recommend reading the >>>/fringe/ recommended reading list.

>>2681

I have thoughtforms.

>>2720

What do you mean you have thoughtforms? Everyone has thoughtforms.

>>2721

Tulpa

Do you?

>>2722

No, I really don't want a tulpa. Why would I want something siphoning away my loosh all day and needing attention? I have way too much shit to do. Also it seems like we have different understandings of the word thoughtform. All tulpae are thoughtforms but not all thoughtforms are tulpae. They aren't interchangeable words.

>>2725

Yeah, you need some time of your own. It gives you new abilities though.

I don't know if anyone's actually interested in it but I still intend to continue this thing. I've been busy.

https:// books.allatra.org/allatra-online-en/?page=1