WHERE WE GO {1},
WE GO (RS)A[11]!!!
Also:
I E Sanctus Discurre, { >BOOM! }
Dona Eis Prandium. { >BOOM! }
But if you'd like me to actually answer your question:
There was a conversation today that might should maybe be added to the bread.
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/567922.html#q568733
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/568699.html#q568803
Get ready for a Math BOOM ;)
>>5075
Could…. could you reformat that? lol
Even I'M having difficulty following that…
Oh, did I switch over and it loaded into thingy?
My B. I try to be conscious off that…
It's why I derp and post as Anon over here every now and then.
Tell BV he has my sincerest apologies.
Also… >>>/qresearch/568733…
I… hmm…. missed something the first time…
Wife and son?
This just keeps getting weirder… lol
http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-am-amazed-you-will-be-too-just-put-together/
Well… judging by the images the person they're responding to would post, and considering that it's super likely that it's who gave me the "(e,n) : (4,1) : a[t] where t = 2,3,4"…
Yeah, I can't figure out who they're talking to either.
Most of the conversation is with me on both threads. Yes.
As for what you linked to…
"You have a certain… bickleness"
Know where I've seen THAT before?
https://ia802300.us.archive.org/8/items/rofschildv1/IAmARofschildAxeMeAQuestion.html
You're so not living that down!
MY POOR MAMMY!
:P I had to say you were some professor's assistant and it was regarding some yob interview.
That being said…doooon't hate me buuuut:
A person with a history of alcoholism who has a wife and son to worry about: Quinn Michaels.
That or Assange, who the current VQC is not, but if anything happened to his wife and kid… I feel like that'd be frontpage news.
Aight, I'm going back to the EZ Bake to have a Russian Tea Party with my ponies.
Not that it means dick all to me, but a little birdy mentioned something about:
2 steps, one of them being related to:
"Modulo log-1".
Kept coming up in a conversation where dude kept saying someone in Cicada told them how to crack RSA since they did it years ago.
Granted, i don't know if that's the most solid method or just what they'd worked out at the time of the conversation.
And I could be way off as usual since I have no I have no earthly I where to plug that in if it's even applicable.
ENCOURAGEMEEEEEEEENT!!!!
TRANGLES!
Nomnomnomnomnom
[MoT-{i-(n-no)-vation}]!
My headcanon wants these triangles and pyramids to turn into conicals.
I don't mean to be a fag, but there are no straight lines on curved earth.
>c4ad45
Resident Artfag chiming in.
HexCOLOR
And check this shit… it's the same one they use for OnePunchMan in the Reddit style sheet.
Now THAT'S when you say "What a coincidence! Right? We still believe in those?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/wiki/config/stylesheet
Hey homos!
You know what would make this go faster?
Talking to each other.
Are you on Discord? If not, get it.
Put this into a browser without the space:
https:// discord.gg/qZtpAPc
That's an invite to my server.
Send me explicit verification of who you are, meaning an image in your style of output that hasn't been posted on the boards or better yet, take that image, cut it in half, post one half in the EZ Bake and DM me the other half and I'll put all the Pathgawds together.
I already got Minecraft and Sheeeeitbaked ;)
Ever notice my tone changed a bit and now I talk about soooomewhat more intentionally relevant things?
I'm the only member of the G-Unit.
I could set up a private chat or we could have a whole server dedicated to this, if y'all like, and that would be our back up bakery. We can privately send that invite to each other on Discord.
Savvy?
Funny thing happens when you play with numbers (right guys?)…
51.99% of my screen boils down to:
1331x749
1331=11^3
749=107*7, both primes.
(also works with 52% but I entered the dimensions by constraining to 1331.)
Fuckin' suck it, nerds!
Are we figuring out the dag blast pyramidz?!
And, fuck it, since I just so happen to be here:
5303 – Sophie Germain prime, balanced prime[5]
And shits'n'giggles:
5329 – 73^2, centered octagonal number[2]
5333 – Sophie Germain prime
5335 – magic constant of n × n normal magic square and n-queens problem for n = 22.
Already got Komrade Baker, Minecraft, PMA, and Sheeeeeeitbaked. Think about what you've been doing on an open forum already. Think of all the doubt being seeded about 8chan, let alone a tool that lets talk with people in real time. Why wouldn't (((they))) try to dissuade you from utilizing it.
And again, think of what you've been doing, publicly, for the last 5 months. If you or any of us were boned, we'd be boned by now. If you're comfy with your OPSec here, then you'll be fine on Discord. Otherwise, you might as well get off the internet. The whole thing's #COMPED, anyway.
The work's been going so much faster on the Discord server. Do the verification and join us! There are no "bots" in the server that would inject screwball activity. I've never trusted those things and some of them WILL fuck with the servers so I keep mine clean.
Savvy?
>Discord is definitely a honeypot. I saw a detailed explanation on /pol/ a while ago. I swear I'm not saying this because I'm the BO here and I'm on some kind of stupid power trip, but I really don't see any reason why we should be using Discord.
Get off the internet.
>>Why wouldn't (((they))) try to dissuade you from utilizing it
>It could be argued that (((they))) would actually try to persuade you to use it.
Can they magically read more than they are here? If you're playing the VPN game… what's the difference?
>>it'll be all the same people with the same names from here, so it just means moving to a different platform that does the same basic thing but with less useful features
Which is why I'm verifying people and not posting the invite to the actual VQC server. Literally no one can be in there without my permission or the permission of one of the VQCrew. Hell, I even send self-destructing invites.
>>people can impersonate each other because there aren't tripcodes
See above.
>>there's less shill protection because you won't have someone who can see IP hashes
Unless they're logging in AS YOU ON YOUR ACCOUNT, we are literally the only ones in there. If someone adds someone we don't know who is always set to invisible, I'd see it in the audit logs.
>>we can't have multiple threads about different topics
We already do. Catch up. I can add as many as I like, with voice capability.
>>this is meant to be a completely public disclosure
Think of this as another one of my side ovens. Where do you think I bake when I'm not here? We still have to present breakthroughs to VQCreators/"Chris". We can't not post here, I don't have his Discord name anymore and he never added me. He used to pop into bakeries.
>That's my opinion. So why do you think we should use Discord?
Because we're getting so much more done so much faster due to the difference in platform and usage. Because we're not concerned with working up a solid post. So that this isn't a bunch of individuals working in the loosest possible tandem by themselves.
It's time to come together and wrap this shit up.
The NSA/Palantir System is already fully aware of who you are and no one's shown up at your door for trying to break the Rothschilds Sociatial Authoritarianism.
Or stay here. Maybe that'll get the others to post the findings more often since you're not seeing the partial steps and quick conversations about tweaks and outputs that aren't complete enough to "officially put on the board".
No one's suggesting we leave here.
Again, we have to turn in our work for review.
Instead of everyone working on this in their isolated corners, there's now an option to spitball, if you will.
There's voice and text… comments and questions can be made and answered on the fly instead of waiting for days to check out the boards, as some people were falling victim to the discouragement shilling that was going on here.
Think community, not division.
I honestly don't see the upload rate changing.
And no one has to join the server. If y'all wanna act as anchor to make sure we don't get tunnel visioned on the discord, which can also be backed up, that's fine too.
Here's the thing… it's also a bunker if the boards get comped and we can't get back here. Not the first time that idea's been floated.
But here's the thing…
Why are you trying to hard to sway the board, Anon? You're taking all the work and don't want to be cut off… trying to sell as in our interests instead of yours?
Perhaps that's a reason to go to the boards…
Who are you? ;)
>There's a difference between having all of your metadata funneled into NSA warehouses and having it sold to advertising companies. One you can't prevent and the other you can avoid by not going on those websites.
Again, if you're using a VPN, what do you care? Otherwise… it already is. Get off the internet. Palantir, nigga, AT LEAST. And you can't access the code on this open source platform, or have you not been following the shillery closely enough?
>>Can they magically read more than they are here?
>I don't understand the relevance.
Could the people you're afraid of getting your information get more info from you using Discord on a website or as an app? Yes, No? Prove it?
>I hope you're not getting mad over this. I'm just trying to have a conversation with you.
nigga I just don't know the markup
>So it's less anonymous? That makes me want to use it less.
Great, you do you, booboo.
Or modulate your voice, you suddenly important motherfucker, you! I can't tell you dick about anyone here, but y'all know me. Who are you talking to? lol
>How is being on a slightly different website getting anything done any faster?
Because the Boards aren't for chatting and derping around or half baked thoughts. We even set up an EZ Bake that no one utilized. This is just an extension of the EZ Bake. Now with voice and faster responses for to get this done quicker. Some folks weren't posting on the boards because they didn't trust it. So… whatever camp you fall into… you do you.
>What, do people actually care about whether their posts seem like they had effort put into them? This is an anonymous imageboard. Nobody's ever cared when people have made useless posts here in the past. Why would they start caring now?
I've had a thread created dedicated to chewing me out because people care. Who are you talking to?
>How does 8ch force us to work as individuals? People work together on the same things all the time here.
Think of it as a conference call verses mailing something. You don't mail half assed letters, and reputations/trip/namefagging has been built up at this point, so the Discord is like… a break room? Informal social while also getting work done and throwing ideas "out there" more loosely.
>That isn't going to happen specifically because we started using Discord. In fact, splintering us and creating a space where we can forget about anons who potentially have useful ideas could quite easily slow us down.
Sweetheart, you're the only one talking about splintering. You and Anon. Like how the left goes around shooting up schools and gay nightclubs, and then try to take guns from the right.
>This is the first I've heard of anyone using Discord as a supplement to this board so the fact that everyone thinks some of their posts aren't "complete enough" to post here is news to me. And it doesn't make any sense to me either. This entire time people have continually posted ideas they hadn't fleshed out yet and that nobody understood for a while. I still seriously don't see any reason why using Discord is a good idea that doesn't already apply to 8ch where we're already firmly established, where every post is public, and where people who don't pay attention very often know where to find us. Being secretive also really doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I won't and obviously can't really stop anyone from using it but you're yet to convince me.
There's nothing "secretive" about it. Check it out for yourself. There's a lot of shit posting that doesn't belong in the Work Board and it's not like anyone but me really utilizes the EZ Bake. People stopped posting because 8chan, you're afraid of discord, and some random fuckwit is upset because they won't have the same flow that they once did.
If you want to be divisive and call it splintering, go right ahead. Everyone's waiting for the rest of y'all to join us cuz… hoooooow many of us are here? Half are on the discord and enjoying interacting. You wanna stay super secret secret squirrel… you go right ahead…
>>>5312
>I'm glad someone agrees with me.
Y'all keep each other company, and things will come in at, like I said, probably the same frequency they were coming in in the first place… now with friends.
Your concerns have been noted.
And there's never been anything stopping anyone from "figuring it out and not posting it".
C'mon.
All I wanted was a bar graph or even a line graph or a fuck load of plot points of Prime Numbers and this is what the searches give me.
Interestingly, with the circle chart,
Notice the pure white, 3-rows each, sections?
and there's a stripe of whit between lines with primes…
if we base the "graph" on something like that …. and expand it.. I feel like we could exclude any number that falls into the "pure white" regions.
Having to give your e-mail?
Do I a setting fuckety somewhere?
When did that pop up?
Being conscious of reporting back to the board is a topic that comes up but honestly there's a lost of derp and quick messages. If what was happening on the discord were happening on the discord were happening on the board, it'd be hell.
That being said, I have no fucking idea where that comes from. I was looking for a bar graph consisting of Prim Plot Points. Which… doesn't even sound like it makes sense in a strict understanding, but I hope you know what I mean.
Here's a sample of what you're "missing"
Might just be a discord thing… I don't have any verification settings checked on either channel and I ran into that once and thought it was a server setting for that particular one.
Might be a thing that got implemented after I started using discord. Either way… throw-away-e-mails can always be created. It's not an issue for ProgrammingMathGawds.
Mmmmmm…. I think I found something that partially confirms my "Scissor Theory"…
If C=33015879=19406579 and the square root is about 4405.3
4405.3/3301=1.33453
5879/4405.3=1.334528…
8783500069=4392106027, with the square root being 66272.96
66272.96/8783=7.45595…
500069/66272.96=7.545596
so it's like…
(√C)/p=X
P/(√C)≈X
… did i just sorta back up my scissors theory? O_o
…where the decimal places being slightly off relate to prime numbers not being purely sequential?
lol, holy shit if i did ^_^
Aaaaaand then when you have an EXTREME difference between P and p, your relationship would be found via the Extreme Scissors.
P=10000000343
p=3
C=30000001029
√C≈173205.084
P/(√C)=57735.0278
(√C)/p=57735.028
So, as stated, thiiiiiis one woulda been caught by the Extreme Scissors faster than the Mid Scissors
Updated:
holy formatting, batsmang!
I'll stop with the * and switch to x since i'm not using it as a variable right now so that it's more legible:
When you Floor √C, the values for "d" sync generally to the 100ths, sometime 1000ths
so….
p=8783
P=500069
C=8783 x 500069 = 4392106027
√C≈66272.96
Floor it to 66272…
P/(√C)=500069/66272=7.54570557701593
(√C)/p=66272/8783=7.54548559717636
d≈7.545
Hopefully that reads better.
Scissors:
You have two Scissors of Iteration, or if you want to imagine Compasses because masonry, go for it. The primes can be the Square. Anyway.
Green Scissors start at the extremes, so 2 and C/2 and close inward.
Blue Scissors start closed at √C and then open outward.
From what I'm seeing, the Blue Scissors will hit the primes before the Green Extreme.
Also, I've been confusing CoPrimes and SemiPrimes. But on my diagram I just picked variables anyway.
So, the extremes will block off large amounts of numbers.
So… C/3 C/5 C/7 on the low end Green, but every time you do that, you can cross off MASSIVE amounts of primes at the Upper Extreme.
The Blue Scissors seem like they'll be faster at getting to the large, complex C's (Semiprimes).
Constrained by the relationship we're talking about.
Also:
Lower Range:
{2<p<√C}
Upper Range:
{√C<P<C/2}
Lllllllllimits!
W00T MUFFIIIIIIIINS!!!!!
So it turns out, I was looking for g, not d.
Funny how that works out.
See the opening and closing?
ON DUBZ!!!!!
I diiiid try to friend you when you were on back in the day… but I think you'd sidestepped discord before seeing my friend request.
Or you just didn't do friend requests.
I saw ya back then.
Not sure where you are in the reading but…
It's a straight VQC Server :D
Minecraft only explained the gist of coprimes and RSA like… a month ago.
"Original" youtube video?
"en"… I'm thinking of limits…
as in….
0, e (the .000…1 appearing) but… inverse of n?
.999…, n, 1
does e=n^-1, by any chance?
Fantastic if I'm off…
I'm just glad we could resurrect you through the powers of autism.
Hi, you're new here.
We've been solving not only the Secrets of the Pyramids, the G of Freemasonry, and the Sacred Geometry that describes the Divine Math of the Great Architect's construction of Existence.
Also something about Tyler Durden, Albino Morpheus's Cables hidden in the Blockchain (but his internet is "cut off" right now, "officially"), bye bye Linux, bye bye RSA Rothschilds' Stranglehold of Aarde….
So like… Hoooooooooow much bigger you need me to imagine?
Cuz…
Topologies of Existence…
What's "up"?
And by Topologies, plural, I mean I don't remember the last upderp you got on my weirdness.
Glad you made it through the Stargate.
Welcome Home.
and by "first" I mean "chronological first" as in an understanding of "Original".
Have you ever posted a video?
I know I post a bunch….
It gets suuuuuuuuper weird.
(Don't worry, this business is no longer a thing.)
I either give sympathy for your son or…
You mean Son in like… Korean?
https:// wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/?q=&mfrom=Harold%20Hongju%20Koh
Dafuq?
#VirtualQuantumComputer = TechKnowLogos reaching out for warm fuzzies back into play!
#Gametheory #QuantumAutisticIntuition #CommsLearning
We're together on Discord no matter how much you stay away. You're welcome to join us.
I'd rather you talked to me directly instead of calling the house, y'know?
Plus, we've posted all our findings so far.
We're MORE together now that it's not everyone working on their parts on their own AND we have faster iterations right now.
And we got to such a point that Chris Resurrected, so you can take your divisive concern trolling elsewhere if you don't see that the Discord has paid off. :P
Gladly.
No more of your bitching about the Discord.
You can't accuse US of being divisive when YOU refuse to join. Since you refuse to join, you're just going to have to trust when se say that you're seeing what's going on on the discord without the random side comments.
HOORAY! THAT'S OVER!
That trangle come from her':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fano_plane
Here's a Fano 3Space… Look familiar?
Fano n-space didn't pop any results, but 4space did:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256844851_Fano_Hypersurfaces_in_Weighted_Projective_4-Spaces
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fano_surface
And:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fano_variety
Someone followed me to the discord from the boards, but they live in my personal server, not in the VQC server. That's the reason I did that. They, or Christopher Bouzy, were the troll/shill here.
Speaking of which… I don't think I ever turned the screenshot into a png sans info… check this shit out:
I wonder if were supposed to blend the Compass, the AlmondBrot Set, and… I'm seeing fractals.
Is the coprime integer (that we seem to be calling "c") the "zoom" of the set and the two primes we're working for are on theeeee… edge of the zoom?
Do we zoom to √C knowing that P and p are equidistance? So at that zoom, theeee….
Which points on the Almond are we rubbing?
@[C{0√(D)}]
(After typing that out and thinking better of something else)
Dafuq's a 0-root? lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_of_a_function
And does it relate? We're making some sort of Tree or something, right? Need roots, I'd imagine…
If you were Munder it'd be a white faux-telecomm van
So… a conversation that happened in an unrelated server…. someone was talking about the "Sevens" Cicada puzzle and that it had something to do with an RSA crack and something hidden in an image through layers of steno… but it was never solved by that particular guy
But… buuuuuut… also someone of high intelligence…
"Fermat factori(z)ation"
Z.
Well… don't get distracted by puzzles and A.R.G.s…
But that's a gosh darn what the fuck!
Math of Existence…
Because I have declared that P=NP, proof me wrong, then I'm not surprised that I'm on points I'm just making up that happen to exist, apparently.
Get on my n-level.
(Someone explain to me what "n" is. In my headcanon, it's that "1" that shows up "immediately" after 0, and fills the same gap/jump between ".999…" and 1.)
That and he was "waiting for the Compass and "g" to show up". Why?
Because of the relationship or because Masons love math'n'artchitecture plus pyramids and I'd be totally into that and it was just "expected"?
Then Mandelbrot and Pi for later…
Do the Square of Primes (fixed) and Compass of Equality (measuring the equidistance from √C) come in at the same time?
Like… Did I miss it?
Iiiiiis "g" a thing here?
Or was that skipped of "for now/for reasons"?
I'z just curious.
Wall Confirmed.
And a few trangley pyramidals.
Also, we're getting out of the woods… or at least to a clearing or something…
A somethin' dank happeneded…
I'd just like to point out that I was in a conversation with Defango a forever ago, and I'm pretty sure I posted it here… where he was saying that Cicada showed him the RSA crack and that it invoooooolved…. log something….>>5144
Random side note I autismed:
+++Q=VQC+++
Same voice.
Not Q, Not VQC.
What about instead of a mountain… Mandelbrot zooms. Looking at it as a topological map, then each line/notation would relate to the zoom plane. Interesting, whether what I'm describing is possible or not.
Could also look at the mountain getting wider as the Compass opening, where the topological lines are the relationship:
√C=g, n=prime, N=Composite or Prime Number
N/g=d ("distance" from g)
g/n=d
I don't know if that's the "d" you nerds are using, but I'll settle on a variable eventually.
AUTIZUUUUUUUUUUM!!!!
Extreme Compass hits first: 47 * 3301
Middle Compass his first: 2251 * 3301
In waaaaay less time than doing every prime from 2 to 2251
This was all by hand and covfefe.
I apparently forgot 43, which gives you 3608.07
But that's beside the point.
47x3301
Extreme: {2}<p and P>(C/2)
47 is the 15th sequential prime
~vs~
*Middle: p>(√C)<P *
106th available prime from √C
2251x3301
Extreme: {2}<p and P>(C/2)
2251 is the 335th sequential prime
~vs~
*Middle: p>(√C)<P *
84th available prime from √C
So for the larger semiprime, C,
I savedja 'bout 251 steps.
Hey C-hris!
Is it just a "coincidence" that they talk about "C" when talking about Ologs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olog
Alright sooooooo….
Using my method… if the two compasses cross before a hit, if they don't hit at the same time… then I thiiiiink the number is prime.
I did a test by hand because I'm not a programmer and even if I was following along with that side of it and up to as speed as I could be, I don't know how to program in a list of every known prime as a database/The Grid to reference from, let alone tell it how to skip to the next available prime if you don't get a hit.
So for randomly generated 59357 to start with, I did my method. Didn't find a factor.
Oddly, the median point seemed to be 113.
113 is the 30th sequential prime.
30 steps in and you get to 525.2… * 113
From there, anything below that, the "Opening Compass" would have already been tested by the Extreme Compass… so you can stop looking. It's prime.
So, there's some "mid-point" floating between the two methods that if you pass it, you're dealing with a prime number. That's my current hypothesis.
Pics are sequential, plus the original drawing so you can see what I mean without scrolling up.
I have them coming to a 2 points on the line-of-primes…. for any number that isn't prime, wherever the 2 compasses "collide" is the last possible position of where the factors are if neither compass "Hit" already.
The compasses would have collided at 30 "steps". but they didn't >, they X'ed.
Hmmm….
I'd have to "run" another test but…
113 is the first prime right below (√59357)/2
Which is where the search would have run into each other…
Sooooo…. if someone can program whatever method I'm using, this'd go way faster lol
I'm guessing I'm not the only one who didn't expect anything resembling an "output" to come outta me.
Further on "Is this Prime?"
If it's prime, it'll cross/meet at a midpoint without hitting any co-prime or composite pairing.
It has to do with the Available Prime steps and the Sequential Prime steps.
I'm just leaving this here in anticipation.
derped. lol now with trip
From my current understanding, the "primes" that make up an RSA number are "randomly generated" and not even necessarily coprimes.
so these "randomly generated primes"… could they be controlled?
Couldn't we just "best guesstimate" the primes using the same methods between C/2 and 2?
The lower prime and upper prime will be "equidistant" from √C no matter what soooo
if you could chart it out on a line and have the scissors run until they hit 2 whole numbers which are "equidstant" from √C
Boooound by the lower region search… hmmmm…
That would also mean that each side is a fixed 50% of available numbers
{2, √C}=50%
{√C, (C/2)}=50%
one has more numbers than the other… so I wonder…
if {2, √C}=50%=P
{√C, (C/2)}=50%=NP
Then….
d/P=g
NP/d=g
And then P=NP, cuz I say so.
So basically, the upper set will have an equal amount of "available" primes to the lower set's sequential primes.
And if you're doing this "graphically", just reflect the lower prime range into the upper and just run it with a constrained g value until both lines point at whole numbers with no remainders/decimals.
So how to program only to look for those whole numbers… those only two "of course it's obviously these numbers" numbers… Cuz doing my method by hand, I eventually just started notating it as ###.x because it didn't matter WHAT the decimals were… just that they were there.
SNACKY TREEEEEEATS!
Just throwing this out there:
If anyone's going on on InfoWars, it should be me, cuz you all sound too normal.
Just switch out "InfoWars" for "Louder with Crowder" since Jones might legitimately get turned on by the Ponies, but Not Gay Jared would potentially dress up as a couple of them.
Heya! If you're here for THAT, got to the EZ Bake.
Becaaaaause,
VQC+++ is not our VQC
It's the same guy who was going around as:
+++
Q
Also, didn't we all discuss at some point, since I'm already doxxed, that I'll happily be the face of this when it goes mainstream? I want Tucker over Hannity, but I'll take Hannity if he's all I can get.
Oooh! Oooh!
When I'm asked specifics on RSBN (couldn't get Hannity, let alone Tucker), I can be all cheeky and lead in with:
DAMN IT, JIM! I'M AN ARTIST, NOT A MATHEMATICIAN!!!
So that's another plus to having me be the face beyond already being doxxed. It's not like there's anything of value (math puns) that they can get out of me. :D
Or just call it what it is.
VQC is an A.R.G.
Tell me… what does Sonoluminescence have to do with any of this? That's your answer in a nutshell.
COME ON IN! We've been on a Jesus kick lately for whatever reason. :D But I'd rather be Christ-like than Christian, no matter how people try to spin it.
Different visualization approach:
Using the interior (n) to find where the triangles will be {1+8T(u)} or however that's said.
Or, using the Columella to generate where the outer shell will be; and where the spike points will be in the case of the technical drawing.