AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Dec. 27, 2018, 12:51 a.m. No.8489   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8490 >>8491

The x value of the cell in (1,1) where d is the n value from (0,n)'s a=aa b=bb cell is equal to b-a-1 (the b and a from the solution cell, not this cell).

 

Example:

a=3, b=177, n from (0,n) a=aa b=bb = 15138

(1,1) d=aabbn = (1,1,87) = {1:1:15138:173:14965:15313}, f=-30276, c=229159045, u=87, i=15139, j=174

x from this cell = 173

173=b-a-1=177-3-1

This seems to apply to all cells.

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Dec. 27, 2018, 3:41 p.m. No.8494   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8499

>>8491

There are a lot of things you can do with the (1,1) cell. VQC said it's the most important cell in the grid at one point. Specific cells in (0,1) and (1,1) with a[t] added to e/2 or (e-1)/2 (depending on parity) give you an and bn, for example.

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Dec. 30, 2018, 5:17 a.m. No.8497   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8509

The t value of the (1,1) d=aabbn cell for a=1 b=c is equal to the d value of the (f,1) cell where (e,1) and (f,1)โ€™s polite x values add together to give 2d+1 (Iโ€™m not sure if this works for all parities in the same way but it worked for multiple cases).

e.g. c=1427

The cells in (e,1) and (f,1) where x+x=2d+1=75

(-17,1,19) = {-17:1:713:37:676:752}, f=1408, c=508352, u=19, i=714, j=38

(58,1,20) = {58:1:789:38:751:829}, f=-1521, c=622579, u=19, i=790, j=39

[1, 1427]

(1,1) d=aabbn = (1,1,713) = {1:1:1016738:1425:1015313:1018165}, f=-2033476, c=1033756160645, u=713, i=1016739, j=1426

d=713, t=713

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Dec. 30, 2018, 1:42 p.m. No.8501   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8503

>>8499

>>8498

You said factoring d and e allows for the factoring of c. I've put together a program that outputs every known and unknown (unless I missed something) down the factor tree. I've been looking for something in a given d and e's unknowns that somehow shows up in c's unknowns but there are so many possible combinations of numbers. Could you maybe give a hint as to where we should be looking, or even just what concepts we should focus on in this context?

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Dec. 31, 2018, 10:53 p.m. No.8515   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>8514

You might be onto something. I've checked with most c values where d=23 and it appears that for most of them the t value for one of the unknown (1,1) cells appears as a d value in either (e,1) or (f,1). I think a few of them didn't but I forgot which, and I also didn't check what happened when you added the x values together. I've look into it properly and report back later.

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Jan. 1, 2019, 1:28 a.m. No.8516   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8517

Turns out the t value of the (1,1) cell where d is the n value from (0,n)'s a=aa b=bb cell was actually j or (x+n) all along. I don't know if anyone figured that out already. (1,1,j)'s d value is the n value from (0,n)'s a=aa b=bb cell. It also appears that j turns up as a d value in (e,1) or (f,1) sometimes. I'm just looking into it some more.

AA !LF1mmWigHQ ID: 2c2fb2 Jan. 1, 2019, 3:33 a.m. No.8518   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>8514

I looked at all of the odd c values with a d of 23 (529 to 575). I took the t value of the cell in (1,1) where d is equal to the n in (0,n)โ€™s a=aa b=bb cell, and tried to find it as a d value in either (e,1) or (f,1).

 

Every time you have a=1 b=c, t from (1,1) shows up as d in (e,1) and (f,1).

Example:

c575 = (46,265,12) = {46:265:23:22:1:575}, the relevant (1,1) cell is (1,1,287), and 287 appears as d in (46,1,12) and (-1,1,12). This works for all a=1 b=c.

 

For solution cells, it gets a bit weird. t for at least one of the relevant (1,1) cells (so solution j or solution (x+n)) appears as a d value in (e,1) for most of them. I didn't notice anything in particular that could be used to calculate this cell, but it's a possibility.

 

Some of them (c535, c551, c575, c567) have it turn up in (f,1).

 

Occasionally (c539, c549), the t value of the cell in (0,1) where a is equal to the n value from (0,n)โ€™s a=aa b=bb cell (which is actually the t value we were already looking for plus 1) appears as a d value in (e-1,1).

 

Some of them (c543, c545, c565, c573) just donโ€™t turn up. Who knows why.

 

So while j definitely turns up as a d value in (e,1) quite often, it doesn't seem to follow any stable patterns, considering it just kinda doesn't happen sometimes.