While documenting context for winter 2013/2014, had realized been neglecting time range for the Shelter S pic. Here is a rough based on helicopter view over London. Four clips. Expect that UK anons will have no problem identifying the locales and connecting these to the London Pics.
https://youtu.be/Uvg9I_4SpqI
The winter of 2013/2014 appears to be relevant to other Q posts and pics from around the world. Still piecing this together and believe fellow diggers here who have experience with London Pics might pick up moar than one anon can do alone.
Currently analyzing LBP pic also known for its phrase, 1st & 10 on the 40.
Q 3313
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#3313
https://qanon.pub/data/media/c23625be38db498c30e114e29c3d5b67b1f570078fba27f7f924ffd4c00fd2ac.png
Prolly connected with GLOVES_WILL_BE_OFF pic which has the phrase, 1st and 10 @ the 50.
Q 3244
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#3244
https://qanon.pub/data/media/ca182680b24a23b56210a705c8e66156c8373699e7cde398a3d10cf1e147fc33.png
1st & 10 on the 40.
1st and 10 @ the 50.
Same = 1st 10 the .
Different = &/and, on/@ 40/50
LBP
GLOVES_WILL_BE_OFF
LBP may signify Long Beach Port and so may be linked to Q post that referred to that location.
LBP may signify Long Beach Police, which may then provide context for GLOVES_WILL_BE_OFF.
LBP pic and the GLOVES_WILL_BE_OFF pic can be compared and contrasted, also.
LBP pic is post with an Sara Carter article that refers to 10 episodes investigated/detailed by Mueller in his infamous report on Collusion.
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1118947182286184449
Also see Q 282 which featured question from an anon and Q's response.
Anon - I have a question: The 10 days, darkness.. when?
Q - Shutdown.
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#282
From the first appearance of the LBP pic had thought of possible UK/AUS connexions. Plus CHICOM, obviously. Think I have found one and it is directly related to winter 2013/2014 as a timeframe.
UKAnons have shown deft hand with pics and coastal/naval resources. Good place to bring this?
Will return with moar when my equipment and I are freed up to map out the crumbs and current research.
>>13304678, >>13304841, >>13306550, >>13306678
The marina was quite different prior to the winter of 2013/2014. The first 23 piers, along the parking area on the driveway to the marina headquarters itself, were reduced to just 17 during that winter. Slip 10 was also different before, naturally. As were the smaller vessels in the mix at that time.
So we had 1, 10, 40 both in 2013 and in 2014. The scene changed from 23 to 17.
Nearby, on the other side of the driveway, are two large docking locations for much bigger vessels, such as an actual 40 footer or bigger. These remain mostly the same across 2013/2014.
In the immediate vicinity, and through out Long Beach, there are many instances of 1 and 10, sometimes as junctins of distinct streets/avenues, sometimes as combos such as HWY 11O interways such as HWY 1 and HWY 10. Lots of variations such as an address on a street near a junction all touching on 1, 10, 40.
Add to the mix, Michagin Rally, and 1, 10, 50.
Will return with moar plus pics/vids on this. The London Pics provided a timeframe. These other pics, as tough to decipher as they have proven to be, might hold very significant comms. Hence the reason for the enigma, possibly.
It may be nothing, IDK, but check for the geometry of the pics. What is in the dead center and what is on the boundaries or just out of frame. Then return to the moar obvious observations.
Should add a curiousity.
23 became 17.
Combined, that's 40.
American football.
First down, 10 yards to go, positioned on the 40 yard line in the opponents half of the field. This can mean a turn from defence to offence followed by a drive to score.
English football.
Goal tender is first, outfield players number 10, at the 50 yard mark can significy start or re-start of the match, a kick-off.
Compare ampersand, &, with the word, and.
Compare the term, on, with the symbol, @.
& @ feature in digital/interwebs. But also pre-digital/interwebs. Origins typographical, ancient, modern.
and/on could imply relationship between two or more distinct entities; a combination; addition or layering.
40 v 50
40 divided by 50 = 0.8 or eight percent.
40/50 = 4/5ths
The 4/5th rule, disparate impact, was first laid down by the Technical Advisory Committee on Testing (TACT) formed by the State of California Fair Employment Practice Commission (FEPC) in 1971. Although not a legal definition, it is specified in the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) guidelines and is a rule of thumb adopted by agencies worldwide to be eliminate vulnerability to charges of discrimination.
https://www.mbaskool.com/business-concepts/human-resources-hr-terms/13006-45ths-rule.html
FOUR FITHS RULE
https://brainmass.com/business/human-resources-management/four-fiftths-rule-531899
40 x 50 = 200
4 x 5 = 20
reduce to 2, see and/on, pairs,
On another tangent, consider the proximity of land and water in both the EMB pics and LBP. The state of Michigan is also partly bounded by water.
Is there a Michigan or a Rally in UK? Or somehow, say phonetically, related to London Pics?
As an example of zooming in and then zooming back out to the moar obvious … the Sara Carter link was to an article discussing the 10 episodes detailed in the Muelle report. But there were 11 such episodes. Sara was not the only reporter to use 10 instead of 11. Might that be a 1st and 10? The report also refered to 40 FBI employees who'd be governed by FBI regs, unlike the angry democrats comprising the Mueller legal team. There were footnotes that touched on the distinction between the 40 and the lawyers, footnotes 1 and 10.
How many players on an American football team? During play, 11 a-side, for 22 players on the pitch. Add the referee for 23 on the pitch.
But each side can have 46 dressed for each match; and each has a head coach plus coaches for defense, offense, and specialty sub-teams. That would be a total of 50 team members per side per game.
As for officials, the ref is accompanied by an umpire and line judge on the field; plus up to another 3 working on the sideline, for a total of 6 officials.
Also, there are up to 4 members on the chain crew that marks scrimmages and drives on the sideline; that's 10 members of the officiating team.
Add the 5 on the aux chain crew plus the two timekeepers and that would be 17 officiating.
So that would cover 10, 17, 23, and 50.
17 plus 23 = 40 active in competition/officiating.
Can also divide 46 by 23 for 2.
Each team can have a roster of 53 players, of which 46 dress per game. Plus 4 coaches. That's 114 across both teams; plus the 6 main officials, for a total of 120. The pitch is 120 yards long; 100 yards in the field of play plus 10 yards in each end zone.
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How many on an English football team? 11 a-side plus a referee. 23 on the field.
Each side can dress 7 subs ready on the bench, but can use no more than 3 during the match. That makes 18 players per side for a total of 36 dressed per match. Each side has a manager and head coach; that's a total of 40 competitors.
A max of 14 players per side can play on the pitch during a match, for a total of 28 players; add the manager, coach, and trainer of each side for total of 32 active competitors per match. Plus the 3 field officials, the timekeeper, and four referees in the video review team, for a total of 40 participants at each match.
Note that the mirror of 32 active competitors is the number 23.
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How many on an Australian Rules Football team? 18 and 3 subs, for 21. Or 36 players on the pitch and 2 referees on the pitch, for 38, and 2-to-4 boundary umpires. Could be 40, depending on umpires.Could be 48 in all, including on and off pitch. Add the boss, or the head coach or the manager from each side for a total of 50.
Compae the Long Beach Marina headquarters, Basin 1, pre-2013, during updates 2013, and first month of 2014. Count the slips. Check the size of vessels and slips.
Note the other side of the driveway where there are larger berths available.
This general location is dead center of the LBP pic.
Slip 10 pre-2013/2014 changes became slip 7 in 2014. 10 plus 7 = 17.
Number of slips along that section of Basin 1 pre-2013/2014 was 23; and 17 in 2014.
The long vessel that occupied slip 7 in 2014 was about 40 feet long. That location was slip 10 pre-2013/2014 and it was half the width; so the changes converted the rough equivalent of 2 slips, 10 and 11, into one larger slip, 10 in 2014.
The work on these new floating concrete slips/piers was completed during the winter of 2013/2014; in GooEarth image the work was ongoing during APR 2013 and by JAN 2014 Basin 1 was occuppied by vessels again.
The LBP image was posted in Q 3313. The digits in that number adds up to 10. The timestamp, Apr 18 2019 14:47:48 (EST).
When was the Shelter S pic taken in London? Between JAN AND JUL 2018?
When were the EMB pics taken, i.e. which season as a timeframe? The WW pics were taken during winter 2013/2014, i.e. late NOV 2018 to early JAN 2014.
>the changes converted the rough equivalent of 2 slips, 10 and 11, into one larger slip, 10 in 2014.
Correction.
the changes converted the rough equivalent of 2 slips, 10 and 11, into one larger slip, slip 7 in 2014.
Amending to add the following spitballs –
The new formation was comprised of 17 slips where there had been 23 slips. That's 6 fewer slips.
This also meant that the new slip 10 took the position previously held by the old slip 13.
23 minus 6 fewer = 17
23 minus 10 = 13
2013
slip 10 relocated to old 13
13 minus 10 = 3
23 old minus 17 new = 6 fewer
3 plus 6 = 9
10 minus 9 = 1
1 = JAN, See GE IMAGE OF JAN 2014
2013 plus 1 = 2014
2013 plus 9 = 2022
2022 minus 2014 = 6 fewer years
APR 2011 is GE reference image, i.e. pre 2013/2014 changes in Basin 1
Basin 1 and the 10 on the 40 footer
1 and 10, 2011
Excellent basin map, fren.
Possible that digital might not be available. Werking on it with ya. Can dig the pic/vid interweb archives. Any suggestions for likely online maps or even planning maps for the contract to upgrade?
sauce
33°44'55.16" N 118°06'47.23" W
view by Historical Imagery in GOOEARTH
note top left date in related pics, date mark provided by GE
search in GOOMAPS for, view
Long Beach Marine Headquarters, CA
pics related
REVERIE shifted over by one slip between and 2015 possibly as result of 2013/2014 refurb. In pic can judge by the trees om foreground. Refer to GE images to locate both slips occupied by REV.
2011 - 2015
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7483619,-118.1153002,3a,75y,35.39h,88.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAOElTiVOnKh_rPA_7qUyXg!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i13312!8i6656
REVERIE = 29.87 m
29.87 m = 97.99869 ft or 32.6662303 yd
Almost 100 ft long, depending on how measured.
1st & 10 = Basin 1 and slip 10.
Or perhaps two slips, 1 and 10.
1st slip kept same position in the sequence before and after upgrade of the basin – slip 1 remained the first.
With refurb, the 10th became 7th; and 7th became 6th; and 13th became 10. Will illustrate with animation/vid for greater clarity/certainty.
Can anons locate slip 40 pre and post refurb? My eyes failing me on that.
LBP related.
Long Beach Marina was refurbished in 2013/2014. The first group of slips, 1-to-23, were replaced with larger but fewer slips, 1-to-17. As a result, while slip 1 remained the first in the sequence, slip 10 was relocated from the 'inside corner'.
Think mirror. Before the refurbishment, the current slip 10 was slip 13 and the new slip 7 was the old slip 10. The open question at the moment is, can we establish what vessel occupied the old slip 10, i.e. the current slip 7, prior to the refurbishment? In SV that slip showed unoccupied at the time the images were taken pre-2013.
On the other hand, the GE imagery showed a work vessel in the new slip 7 i.e. the old slip 10 during at least part of the refurbishment in the winter of 2013/2014. Prolly just happenstance.
Other images may be available of this part of Basin 1.
Right on, fren. Process of elimination. No slip 40 in Basin 1.
Animation/vid to follow.
Across from the new and the old slip 10s, there are several signs. See pic. There's a restaurant there, CAPTAIN'S LOCKER, and the street number of the building is 190-194; an outdoor eatery sign says, THE DECK AT BOATHOUSE; the location is Basin 1 Alamitos Bay Marina.
Think mirror.
Look there, or [here], or there, truth is behind you.
Q128
ALAMITOS = Los Alamitos Roundabout = at HWY 1 / HWY 19, aka The Traffic Circle. Think WW and think sandmap roundabout TRAF and the centre of London. The marina is centre of LBP pic. LOS ALAMITOS = 136 = 10 = 1.
DECK at BOATHOUSE = DECK @ BOATHOUSE. Expand your thinking, BO at House.
Attention on Deck, Q 128
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#128
Deck = not a full deck but play the hand you were dealt; bring down the house.
CAPTAIN'S LOCKER = 882 = 10
882 = IT IS HAPPENING
Lookerup
LOCKERUP
CAPTAIN'S LOCKER = WHITE SQUALL = SHELTER IN PLACE.
Expand, Shelter S, blackbox pic, London Pics.
Street address '190-194', 190 = 10/0, 194 = 10/4, APCO Ten Signals.
10/0 = use caution; 10/4 = acknowledged.
Which would be the first and ten.
1st plus 10 = 11; 1-to-1, face-to-face.
Slip 10 was slip 7. Think 10/7 = out of service.
Slip 10 became slip 13. Think 10/13 = subject to call and/or change location.
What is a basin? Slip? Think presidential slip. Slip up staires. On the 40, at the 50, next in sequence.
What is a legend?
Why is a legend useful?
What is a sequence?
Why is this relevant?
Q128
Multiple meanings of legend and useful. Useful idiots are legendary.
Multiple meanings of sequence and relevant. Think descendant/ascendant and relatives. Re-read Q posts/map regarding families and family histories. What is a legend and why is a legend useful?
Gene sequencing of virus that has become a legend and now has spawned mutations, variants, descendants. Where did POTUS say the virus came from? Why are the mutations known by place names now but racist before? Why is a legend useful? Why is this relevant? Re-read Q128 for guidance on what is between the frames.
If the virus has not been isolated/purified, then, is it an unseen and unkown legend? Why is a legend useful?
LBP = Long Beach Police.
pics related
https://lbpost.com/news/in-pictures-a-night-of-chaos-in-long-beach
Long Beach Post.
https://www.chinookobserver.com/coronavirus/covid-controversy-protesters-rally-against-tightened-protections/article_6f75c4e0-2e7d-11eb-a92a-c34cc59a96e6.html
Masks off.
Gloves off.
Lockdowns on or off.
UK/US
US/UK
Joint-Treason.
Connexions between London Pics and others, such as LBP. The winter of 2013/2014 may be a coincidence within the frames of these pics but thot would be worth a re-look with eye to moar connexions.
Timing is everything, I suppose. In this instance, for me, moar random than well-reasoned. Intuition and digging in for a good looksee.
^^^
>Uruguay is talking about a great place "to escape" in Long Beach? Turns out Uruguay was the South American country that took in the most Syrian refugees.
Is that the traveller who made a vid of his taking an aqua bus along the coast or up a river? Route and vessel numbers?
> the virus has not been isolated/purified, then, is it an unseen and unkown legend? Why is a legend useful?
ADDING that DJT repeatedly spoke of the invisible enemy.
He often sets himself against an opponent so as to bring attention to that opponent's hidden agenda. The way DJT fixes onto someone makes the opponent self-incriminating somehow.
The COVID war is another unending war but now it is at home. Infiltration not invasion. Common across the pond, either shore, and it is that link or bridge that was personified by the cast of characters at the junction in the London Pics, I think.
How do you repair a bridge without closing it down?, Q2938
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#2938
Also from that post –
Who signed apps 1-4?
Who traveled to UK/AUS post election of POTUS?
Why were SECURITY PRIV removed from select 'formerly active' individuals?
Treason-Sedition-Corruption at the highest levels of GOV (WW).
If 1-4 is relevant to 1st and 10, might not WW refer to worldwide as well as winter wonderland, the timeframe not the theme park. The winter is the season of the virus, right, and what occurred in that regard in 2013/2014? The invisible enemy.
>https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g32648-d7226951-Reviews-Alamitos_Bay-Long_Beach_California.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=295253197
Right on, fren. He made a point of photographing the aqualink #1. As well as the CAPTAIN'S LOCKER and the ALMITOS FLAG at Basin 1 and near slip 10 - old and new. Wore a legends t-shirt. The map with the links over water routes actually shows how to get from Long Beach to the vicinity of The Standard Hotel in downtown LA.
FWIW, the address of the location at the new and old slip 10s is 146 North Marina Dr, Long Beach, CA.
146 = 1 and (4+6=10) = 1 and 10.
Not exactly an obvious 40 but there is a 40 in the mix.
Read outloud the street address is 100, 40, 6.
Outloud the 40 is distinguishable and is straddled by 1 and 6, which are set to either side of 40. re-look at the refurb sequence.
146 = 1+4 = 5, 5+6 = 11, eliminate the repeated 1, resolves to 1.
Here's a string of coincidences. The refurb reduced the slips from 23 to 17, a difference of 6 slips. Coincidentally, 23 plus 17 is 40. Coincidentally, 2+3+1+7=13 and the new slip 10 is situated on the former position of old slip 13.
The inside corner shifted and now covers the locations of the old slips 7 and 8. Coincidentally 7+8=15, 1+5=6, and there are now 6 fewer slips.
Slips 1 to 6 are situated in the same locations after the refurb as before; coincidentally 1 plus 6 is 7 and the new slip 7 holds the position of the old slip 10. While standing on the asphalt and facing these slips, the old slip 10 is on the left and the old/current slip 6 is on the right which, coincidentally this resembles the formation of 146, the street address of this location, where 100 resolves to 1, 6 is unmoved, and both are situated on either side of the 40.
Recall 100, 40, 6.
100 reduces to 10 and then to 1, so is 1st and 10.
Slip 10, slip 6, on either side of the 40.
The 40 reduces to 4.
On one side 10 minus 4 is 6; on the other side 4 plus 6 is 10.
That inside corner is straddled by the slips on either side of it.
It happens to be situated on the former positions of the old slip 7 and slip 8. Coincidentally, 7 plus 8 is 15 which resolves to 6, the slip to the right is slip 6. The interval between 6 and 10 is comprised of 7 and 8 and coincidentally the sum of 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 is 40.
The street address appears to signify 1st and 10 on the 40.
> The interval between 6 and 10 is comprised of 7 and 8 and coincidentally the sum of 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 is 40.
Typo correction, the interval between 6 and 10 is comprised of 7 and 8 and 9; and conicidentally, the sum of 6, 7, 8 9, and 10 is equal to 40.
LBP showed a boat in the lower right corner of the pic frame.
LBP = Long Beach Pilots
Check out the video and note the name of the new Pilot boat.
Orion.
https://youtu.be/0bYW4wI_68w
Here is an interdasting marine chart related to LBP.
https://marinalife.com/marinas/alamitos-bay-marina/#photos
Scroll down to the tab, Charts.
It is interactive.
Look for the pipeline and power and other cables offshore.
Coincidentally, checkout the crosshairs.
17
IDK if any of these number things strike a chord. Many coincidences may be product of confirmation bias while digging.
Also while reading the text above the chart at the link, recall the 4/5th rule mentioned upbread.
40 v 50
40 divided by 50 = 0.8 or eight percent.
40/50 = 4/5th
In the Alamitos Marina, the article explains that 'Guest slips are available at $.80 per foot per night. Reservations are taken, but not required.'
4/5 = 80 percent or 0.80
$.80 per foot per night
The location of guest slips could be almost anywhere in the marina, depending on the size of slip needed for particular vessel. Not sure how all of that actually is implemented.
Got two Q posts, a pair, that follow a very similar pattern in the textual phrases.
1st & 10 on the 40.
1st and 10 @ the 50.
Q 3313
3+3+1+3=10 and could resolve to 1
Q 3244
3+2+4+4=13 although could also resolve to 9
So together two options.
1 and 9 for 10.
or
Slip new 10 was the old slip 13.
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Disparate impact v disparate treatment.
Apart from the legalistic theory invented that imposes a 4/5th rule, pretty arbitrarily, there is also the popular pareto principle or 80/20 rule, which in practice seems much less arbitary and fairly reasonably supported by empirical evidence.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/pareto-principle
LBP
Drone view of the marina.
https://www.bellingham-marine.com/wp-content/uploads/Alamitos-Bay-Marina-Marina-Renovation.jpg
Apparently, Basin 1 can accomodate long vessels.
https://longbeachmarinas.net/alamitos-bay-marina/
Basin 1, located directly behind the marina office, has the largest slips in the marina, ranging from 40′-120′. These include the concrete berths formerly used for commercial purposes.
The aerial view shown in the write-up doesn't show the big berths very well. Here is a GOOearth VIEW.
Fren, the seal beach naval operation was noted waaaay back on previous dig period, but under-estimated, I think. Thanks for bring new eyes. USN weapons station, prolly very large, yes. Subs deployed too.
Brilliant, fren. Noice diggz.
Very interdasting that it is for film work, rental, up and down the west coast US/MX.
So this one was reg for slip 16.
The old slip 16 is the new slip 12.
The new slip 16 was the old slip 22.
In other words, the position in the sequence that was/is second to last along that pier, or gangway.
Close neighbour to the REVERIE both pre and post winter 2013/2014.
Had a thot that perhaps the REVERIE was used moar like a stayover landing pad than a transport vessel.
Here is a reverse view of this location.
sauce for pic
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballast+Point+Brewing+Long+Beach/@33.7464371,-118.1147995,3a,75y/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNuhwvnriV49b_23-ygHJWddHV1FdyDqVCa1XHq!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNuhwvnriV49b_23-ygHJWddHV1FdyDqVCa1XHq%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i4032!8i3024!4m15!1m7!3m6!1s0x80dd301e59b98ed5:0x1f091a9e345e2068!2s186+N+Marina+Dr,+Long+Beach,+CA+90803,+USA!3b1!8m2!3d33.7475181!4d-118.1151547!3m6!1s0x80dd301e648563cf:0x9c3a0f1d0414c86c!8m2!3d33.7464371!4d-118.1147995!14m1!1BCgIgAQ
LBP = Long Beach Police
Am I the only one who reads that and absurd image pops into mind of a very lanky police officer loping along as patrolling the sand dunes along the shoreline, Bobby hat and all, kek.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Long+Beach+Marina+Headquarters/@33.7491844,-118.1155202,3a,75y/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPK-7jx6oMvllcfmEq56iN5osDccMdqKf-i2KZ-!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPK-7jx6oMvllcfmEq56iN5osDccMdqKf-i2KZ-%3Dw205-h100-k-no!7i4032!8i1960!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x80dd301e59b98ed5:0x1f091a9e345e2068!2s186+N+Marina+Dr,+Long+Beach,+CA+90803,+USA!3b1!8m2!3d33.7475181!4d-118.1151547!3m4!1s0x0:0xecf84ac47a6f6b9d!8m2!3d33.7493294!4d-118.1153864
JAN 2015 SV confirmation, vessel matching pic of Jasmine did occupy slip 16, second-to-last slip in the sequence there.
APR 2014 GE confirmation; also JAN 2014.
In both sets of imagery, SE and GE, Reverie occupied slip 10.
GE 2011 shows that Jasmine not in any of the slips in that area, neither SEP nor MAR nor previously. It showed up 1 JAN 2014 in GE imagery, AFTER the refurb and vessels returned to that part of Basin 1.
That area was vaccat for dredging and refuurb during at least during APR 2013, based solely on SV and GE imagery.
For emphasis, while Jasmine did not show until AFTER the refurb of winter 2013/2014, Reverie was there both before and after and not during, refurb.
There is another UK connexion.
LBR = London Boat Rentals.
See next few posts.
GE view of Aamitos Bay Landing, showing the bayside of the landing where different kinds of vessels are available for let at the LONDON BOAT RENTAL company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eavwprKMNQ
^^^
LBP
Possible UK connection re London Boat Rentals.
From the LBR's waterfront there is an excellent view of the tip of LBP, Long Beach Penninsula, and above it a great view of the setting sun.
the pov of the LBP pic is toward downtown LA; from the elevated position, the camera frame's dead centre runs through the jetty, through the landing, and through the marina side the landing, and beyond with a heading that could take the viewer directly to the Standard Hotel downtown.
A more broadly drawn axis would be more expansive, laterally, and at the shorelilne would take in most of the bay, the landing and penninsula, and almost all of the marina's basins, too. Between downtown LA and the shoreline is the Long Beach airport where there are many 1s, 10s, 40s, including the Traffic Circle, aka Los Alamitos Circle or Roundabout.
Now, look along the shoreline at the penninsula and find 60th Place. In American football, when the attacking team is on the defending team's 40 yard line, they have 60 yards behind them. From the defending team's view, they are are 60 yards from the other team's endzone, if they are thinking of counter-attack even though they have only 40 yards behind them.
Depends on your point of view where the 40 might be and where the 60 might be; but the 50 is in the middle either way. Look to the left along the coast and you will find 43rd Place and 39th Place and, in-between, Terminal Avenue which could be 40th; it is intersected by Midway Street and on the other side of Ocean Boulevarfd it is intersected by 1st Street. This you will find on the edge of the LBP camera frame, or even a bit just outside, depending on how one figures the angles from the hieight of the camera.
Also, look for WESTMINSTER BLVD which becomes 2nd Street and cuts through the LBP pic horizontally across the HWY 1 and the Alamitos Bay Marina. The right edge of the LBP frame appears to be 17th Street.
Some or all of these may be just coincidences, IDK.
WWG1WGA
LBP left side of camera frame.
39th, 43rd, Midway, TERMINAL = 40th.
Intersects with 1st Street on other side of Ocean BLVD.
That marks the left edge of frame, along the shoreline, and the area beyond and within Long Beach there are many 1s, 10s, 40s, and such including on football fields and golf courses and street addresses and junctions.
Previously looked at the street address 190-194 on Marine Drive, which is across from the slips 1 through 17.
Well, on the other side of this same building at 190-194 is the LONDON BOAT RENTALS. Here is a pic from SV to go along with the broader view from GE posted earlier.
Compare the blue signs.
at v on
The attrached pic is an enahnced version of LBP.
QUESTION - does it appear that there are vessels in slips in any of the basins, incluidng basin 1?
The reflection does not seem to be at the right angle to be the person who took the photo, but yes there is a man in the reflection and he is holding a mobile phone. That man does not look like the guy in the Cubs shirt.
But the Cub shirt is from a diff collection of pics. TY anon, gud housekeeping.
Think this one is a fair match? See first pic. It appeared in SV 2015 behind utility building labeled A2 DIRECTLY across from restaurant.
This vessel is in current slip 7, where the old 10 used to be at the inside corner of the pier or gangway. That ownership sign on the rear is visible in a couple of views.
So not slip 16 like in the documentation for Jasmine.
The vessel in slip 16 resembles the one in 7; but a tarp covers its rear. It is different enough to NOT match the pic of Jasmine. It is positioned closer to the marine hq building, next to the ramp at the turnaround in the driveway. See those details in pic.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7483778,-118.1152732,3a,15y,93.32h,78.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sOrXh8-puKN1tG1Ygb3m_pA!2e0!5s20160401T000000!7i16384!8i8192
Interdasting how think mirror applies often enough when looking for details. Like the reflections on the red bus in one of the London Pics. The subject is out of frame but in the frame at the same time.
Does it look like there are vessels in Basin 1, to your eye, fren, when you peer into LBP? This may be one way of roughly dating the pic Q dropped.
For time of day, any hint with tide or sunlight/shadows? I'm thinking high noon on a very overcast or muggy day. Don't know CA coastal weather much so haven't a guess for season. Doesn't seem very busy so perhaps middle of work week in colder season? Beach looks deserted. In the foreground the waves look fairly aggressive, but that could be due to heli flying fairly low to surface.
Actually, any indications this pic was shot with a drone rather than an aircraft like a heli or plane? Low enough to be a parasail or somesuch? Boat below pulling - but havent spotted a tether. What do you gather from elevation?
Slips 1-17, Pier 1, Basin 1, Alamitos Bay Marina, Long Beach, CA, USA.
SV Pics related.
Sidetrip - The inside corner comes up as 195 North Marina Drive, which connects with HWY 1, which connects with a snippet of a road called 10th Street, which is immediately adjacent to a golf course on the other side of which is 10th Street, again, on which is Woodrow Wilson high school, WW, as is its football field, gridiron and all.
TY Anon, noice observations.
Here is a vid that shows aerial clips from seal beach and the jetty area as well. In the LBP pic no reflections on the water - or perhaps very soft reflections SUCH AS FROM ONE OF THE VESSELS, left edge of camera frame - compared with some brighter conditions in a few clips in this vid.
Also, the swells vs waves can be seen in the vid. And it is notable that even just a few people along a long waterfront would be noticable, if they were there, even from heights.
So the lack of activity on the beach and, I think,on the water both sea and outer/inner bay, in the LBP pic, suggests down time either very early morning or near dusk. No signs of people on shore or on water fishing which is a pretty popular pastime in that area. Could that suggest a season, IDK.
Any ideas on what else to look for to get some sense of time of year, time of day, more or less?
What might the appearance of the four vessels suggest? All appear to have some relation with the jetties on the right side of camera frame; two facing outward and two approaching from the sea. Dull colours suggest US NAVY ror USM ather than CIVILLIAN recretational?
Of course, there's the fifth vessel, not in frame but evident by the wake that trails in the lower right of frame. Anything to observe or deduce from the shape and length of that?
There might be a sixth vessel, perhaps a sailboat, in the vicinity of the outward reach of the Alamitos jetty. White but hard to tell with no reflections.
Here is a marked version of LBP. White line represents shorelines as per comparisons with GE and SE images. Red line represents bridges, mostly. The green line indicates the path of a green belt that runs on the seaward side of highway 1. It and the highlway run roughly parraelle but intersect with Marina Drive where it crosses a bridge to the marina; the highway turns the other way and skirts Basin 2 and 4 and continues past the 2nd St bridge. It runs alongside the Marina Pacifica before heading off toward LA.
To my eye there just doesnt seem to be full piers in the basins. That would be odd if the waterways and sea are as quiet as they seem to be in LBP. Should be packed either at docks or out and about.
If it was recently I'd have put it down to the lockdown restrictions. Not much to go on but start with what we have. Almost deserted scene; what might be empty basins; wondering where people would move their vessels during the dredging and refurb activities. You can see what I'm thinking – could this LBP pic have been taken during the winter of 2013/2014? Any signs within the frames that would rule that out?
Here is the marked-up LBP showing shorlines and bridges and the green belt and also the 5, possibly 6, vessels on the ocean.
Seal Beach has a sub base?
That insight is very useful.
TY anon.
Swell direction, offshore wind direction, sheltering from landmasses north or south, distant storms having impact on local sea conditions.
Could begin to add-up to a means of dating the pic by what is within the frames - and by what is just outside of the frames, one theme we seem to return to again and again. Kinda puts the notion of possible US/MX connexions into new perspective, given the impetus was the potential for US/UK connexions re London pics.
Always impressed by fellow anons in this bread.
Very kewel. In pursuit, friends.
If recalling right, think that Esther, and another, can be viewed from Huntington and appear fairly close to shore from the beach.
Map of offshore rigs of Orange County.
Example of a GE view of vicinity of Seal Beach.
JUL 2013, LONG BEACH
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/08/the-urban-oil-fields-of-los-angeles/100799/
PHOTO CAPTION - A new tower undergoes construction among various structures and palm trees that are used to camouflage oil extraction operations on Island White, one of four such oil drilling islands operated by THUMS Long Beach Company, which is owned by Occidental Petroleum Corporation, in Long Beach, California, on July 30, 2013. #
Oil Platform Ester, off the CA Coast near Seal Beach, about mile offshore, JUN 2018.
https://youtu.be/W6tp7c7x0Ac
photo caption - An aerial view of Grissom Island, one of four oil drilling islands in San Pedro Bay, off the coast of Long Beach. The four islands contain nearly 1,500 wells, accessible by movable derricks. View on Google Maps.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.759653,-118.181675,158m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
Based on the vid cap, the object labeled as 1 in the marked up version of LBP could be ESTHER. Proximity and direction re SEAL BEACH PIER.
If Esther has been fixed in that location for decades, then, can use process of elimination for that object, leaving 5 moar to go, kek.
Right on.
Note the swell direction in vid cap vs LBP. DIFFERENT. But looks just about as calm in both.
Here's a cutout from a map showing the location of ESTHER and the pipeline.
Does that pipeline run in the approximately direction that would intersect the heading of the camera in the LBP pic which also appears to be destined for the southern shore of SAN GABRIEL RIVER?
The trajectories are different but they appear to intersect at the river mouth or at least that corner of Seal Beach. At one time I mistakenly called the Seal Beach Pier, the Long Beach Pier as in LBP. Corrected by locals who also pointed out that the Long Beach cargo port is not called Long Beach Port but rather Port of Long Beach.
Map dated 6 NOV 2018.
sauce
https://www.slc.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Map_SOUTH.pdf
CA STATE LANDS COMMISSION
https://www.slc.ca.gov/oil-gas/
Yeap that well-confirms it.
The vid was posted Jun 2018. ESTHER and her pipeline is still in same location today.
These are rough attempt to re-capture the camera view of LBP - angles, elevation, distances. Very difficult with tools available.
Seems that the camera may have travelled from EVA abd EMMY and on way to the Long Beach Airport in the middle distance beyond ALAMITOS BAY. Occured to me that moar than half of the camera frame is filled with ocean and that perhaps that was the area of interest.
ESTHER / Seal Beach Pier / NAVAL WEAPONS STATION / Amalitos Bay Marina / and the Penninsula.
Timeframe still up in the air, pun intended.
Well, guess will have to return to topics UK rather than continue to side-trip into LBP – unless or until gain moar firm connexion between this and the London Pics.
TY anons for your indulgence. If something connekty strikes you, give a holler.
PART 1
https://www.surfline.com/surf-science/long-beach-breakwater-removal-surf-impact-report—part-1-of-3_27901/
The wave and surf climate of the Long Beach/North Orange County area and how these waves will be affected by local conditions such as offshore island wave shadowing and refraction over underwater bathymetry.
PART 2
http://www.surfline.com/surfline/forecasts4/forecast_blog_entry.cfm?id=27962
How would the surf be in Long Beach if there wasn't a breakwater? Analysis and swell modeling of the nearshore wave climate without the Long Beach Breakwater and comparison to large waves at Seal Beach. Did you know that on a strong South swell Long Beach would have larger waves than Trestles?
PART 3
http://www.surfline.com/surfline/forecasts4/forecast_blog_entry.cfm?id=27981
If Long Beach had good surf, would more surfers and beachgoers visit? A analysis of Long Beach's potential annual surfing conditions and surfer visits after removal of the Long Beach Breakwater. More than five (5) years of Surfline daily observed surf reports were analyzed for nearby popular surfing areas in Seal Beach and South Bolsa Chica Beach to develop a comparative baseline.
From part 1.
During the mid 80's we participated with the US Navy in a study to research this problem, and we clearly concluded that the San Pedro Shelf sent refracted long period southerly swells right through the entrance of the Long Beach Breakwater toward the Pier J area. Afterward this discovery, a number of shipping companies subscribed to Surfline's surf forecasts to anticipate and plan around these long period south swell events. More recently, modifications have been built near the Pier J area to control this situation.
https://longbeach.surfrider.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Long-Beach-Breakwater-Surf-Forecast-FINAL-opt.pdf
Here's another crack at enhancing LBP. This attempt was prompted by the notion of haze over the landmass. Basically, the enhanced pic has adjusted white and black points based on features in the image used as source for white and black. Not a huge difference except on the water. Also, used a means of removing noise from the raw data and then returning to the original image format - in this instance, PNG, for sharing.
To provide some new emphasis, check out the three objects that appear to be near the mouth of Alamitos Bay, inside the jetties. And a fourth object nearby but at the mouth of the Gabriel on the other side of the jetty. And then assess white appears to be white caps at the shoreline between the river and the Seach Beach Pier; and absence of the same on either side of that location along the shoreline. Meanwhile, no appearance of white caps along the jetties both at Alamitos and at the jetties of the Naval Station entrance.
So there does appear to be a few objects on the water near shore and in the baby. And possibly some whitecap action at part of the coastline.
One more thing. Does anyone see a shadow on the foreground sea under the camera/aircraft? Maybe only if you want to see it, kek. Or maybe … ?
Please pursue that line of thinking as it could lead to a useful result either way – to eliminate a season or seasons, or to positively include a season or seasons.
The refurbishment in ALAMITOS BAY MARINA progressed over several years. Vessels had to be removed duirng the dock work and much of the dredging. Have to say that with the latest attempt at enhancement there does not appear to be signs of that work nor the absence of vessels in the basins. That stumps me. But can not avoid the objective observations.
Could this pic actually pre-date the refurbishment? Pre 2011, basically. Am working to confirm conclusion of work in vicinity of the areas we can see well in LBP – prior to the Q drop.
If Anons think this LBP topic ought to be sidelines due to lack of direct connexions with London Pics and/or UK, let me know and I will post accordingly. Traffic in this bread has been slow and I don't think this topic has crowded out other topics but I could be mistaken.
WWG1WGA
>water near shore and in the baby.
Typo correction - in the bay.
Re possibility the pic pre-dates refurbishment, consider that the London Pics pre-date the assumption of 2015/2016 and that was determined by scrutinizing for updates within the frames but which occured AFTER the pic was taken. Maybe not a connexion but perhaps an insight worth reflecting on, as in think mirror?
>https://patch.com/california/belmontshore/boaters-we-present-your-alamitos-bay-rebuild-schedule
The numbers in the 'rebuild schedule updated' story might be gangways. Some numbers are missing so IDK. THAT PIC is pre-rebuild - the wooden structures.would be replaced with floating concrete platforms. But that is a good pic that serves as a bookend along with the one posted here which is after the work done on Basins 1 to 4. That area is in the LBP pic.
I may be mistaken, but in the more recent of these two pics you can see a small seawall barrier that runs at about a 45 degree angle between Basins 2 and 3. THAT I think is discernible in LBP.
If I am seeking that correctly, then, LBP is later than the installation of the new piers and that angled barrier.
TY for the link to that older pic, Anon. The angled wall is a distinguishable feature that might date the LBP pic nicely.
Here a 2015 pic of that angled wall in the water between basins 2 and 3.
In prev pic that angled wall is in middle top portion. It seperates the basins from the channel.
Basin 4 is adjacent to the LONG BEACH YACHT CLUB at the top edge of the camera frame; that pic was taken from near the SEAL BEACH YACHT CLUB location at corner of Basin 2; meanwhile, the attached SV pic was taken from the parking lot by THE NAVY YACHT CLUB.
Hunting for before/after pics of that area now occupied by the angled wall in the water.
>>13331981, >>13334639, >>13334538
LBP
Here are two pics that show prep work for dredging in Basin 2. The wall was installed prior to SV FEB 2015, as per the content of these images.
In the first pic, can see
A - the angled wall
B - screen or underwater barrier being draped into place
C and D - boats on either end of the screen.
In the second pic, the dredging vessels are being moved into position toward the corner of Basin 2.
In this pic can also see
A - the angled wall in the distance, left edge
B - pilings in place for new piers
C - dredging equipment on the right edge
The pilings do not appear in the previous pics from SV FEB 2015 and so I am thinkinking that these were driven into the bed AFTER the dredging work had been finished in that part of the Basin.
Anyway, based on these images, and my seeing the angled wall in LBP, these images pre-date LBP.
Meaning LBP was taken after FEB 2015.
Looking moar like the timeframe is winter 2014/2016. The work in Basin 4 was done prior to Basin 2. Can't see much of Basin 1 in the Q PIC. Another 2 or 3 basins were worked on during the refurb.
>Looking moar like the timeframe is winter 2014/2016.
Typo correction - 2015/2016 not 2014.
This SV image is from FEB 2015, also, and it shows no piling sin place; it does show the clam bucket at work alongside a barge.
APR 2016 SV shows boats back in Basin 2 which would match LBP, I think. So this serves as a bookend for the earliest match we have, - a not before bookend. Might be able to narow that further. At this point the LBP could have been taken after - right up to the posting date, Apr 18 2019 14:47:48 (EST).
Do anons have anything else with which to date LBP more narrowly than spring 2016 to spring 2019?
Please take close look at this portion of the LBP pic. Basin 2 and 3 do not look 'organized' but 'dishevelled'. When the wooden piers were dismantled, they were first cut free and then dragged aside to be loaded for transport away.
The concrete piers were brought to a parking lot and then assemblied nearby on dry land. Then brought out to the pilings.
So LBP could depict either of those two stages in the work in Basins 2 and 3. Does not look as white as the concrete piers, to my eye, so could be the faded brownish colour of wooden piers. Not sure but leaning toward the latter.
And the area looks less ordered, as it were, than the white concrete platforms that appear in the GE image of empty new piers.
Eyes are tied so going to leave it alone for awhile. Could anons bring their fresh eyes to the scene?
Is there work underway in Basins 2 and 3 in LBP? Does it look like wooden or concrete piers? Do the piers look orderly or more like dissassembled and log jammed together, crowded?
Other observs?
TY anons.
That catches the eye, fren. Does not match the post-refurb map which has larger but fewer slips in each basin. Not sure where some of the missing numbers are.
Spotting the dredgers in the entrance to the bay is interdasting, too, because it went unnoticed earlier. Portends werk done on refurb which could date the pic in the 2015/2016 timeframe IF the work was still underway when LBP was taken.
LONG BEACH MARINA
Basin 1 construction schedule.
'Anticipated Dates' as of commencement, JUN 2012.
https://patch.com/california/belmontshore/boaters-we-present-your-alamitos-bay-rebuild-schedule
JUN 2012 TO DEC 2012
14 JUN 2012 to 14 JUL 2012
Dredge the Basin 1 area, adjacent to the Crab Pot Restaurant. The dredge area will be protected by a boom with silt fence, and dredge spoils will be deposited into two alternating dump scows.
16 JUL 2012 to 24 AUG 2012
DB-24, a 60 foot by 120 foot, 120 ton derrick barge and a pile driving hammer, will drive piles.
27 AUG 2012 to 15 DEC 2012
Delivery of floats which will be assembled at Gangway #34 of Basin 3 into long mainwalk dock sections. Once assembled, these sections will be floated across the channel to Basin 1 for final assembly/installation.
27 AUG 2012 to 15 DEC 2012
Repairs to seawall along Basin 1. Once repairs and dredging are complete, new 75lb +/- rocks will be added along the wall for reinforcement. Rock will be stored in a 50'x100' pile in the Basin 1 parking lot until they are placed.
BASIN 4 and 3.
SEP 2010, GE shows basins 1 to 4 fully occupied.
MAR 2011, GE shows about half of piers in Basin 4 unoccupied. Most of the rest of the piers in the four basins were occupied.
SEP 2011, GE shows all piers in basin 4 unoccupied, all are wooden, silt screen or net in place seperating channel from piers.
APR 2013, GE shows concrete piers, almost all occupied. A few of the wooden piers in Basin 3 appear to have been under repair and not occupied
BASIN 1
APR 2013, GE shows wooden piers are gone, half replaced with concrete piers, silt screen or fence remained in place at entry to basin.
JAN 2014, GE images SHOW concrete piers, most occuped.
JAN 2014, SV IMAGES show
BASIN 2
APR 2014, GE shows most piers occupied.
JAN 2015, SV shows old wooden piers gone from about half of the basin; and dredger in place along with silt fence; piling well underway.
MAR 2015, GE shows about half of old wooden piers in Basin 2 still occupied and the other half partially replaced and entirely unoccupied.
FEB 2016, GE shows the wooden piers replaced and partially occupied in the second half of Basin 2; the new piers in the first half fully occupied,.
OCT 2015, GE shows BASIN 2 almost fully occupied, concrete piers.
BASIN 3
OCT 2016, GE shows half of piers concrete and occupied; other half still wooden piers, empty.
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DEC 2017, GE shows all new concrete piers in basin 3 occupied.
DEC 2017, GE shows all piers concrete and fuly occupied.
Fren, you got it. Have been reviewing GE and SV and other images on that side of the marina and have been peering into that LBP pic long enough to say that there was a hotel adjacent to Basins 2 and 3 but which was demolished.
Enough landmarks around it remain that these can be identified in the LBP pic. That now-demolished hotel dates the pic as does the phases of work on the piers.
As you said, Basin 4 was done in 2011 and predates LBP. There were some repairs done to the wooden piers in Basin 3 around the same time.
Likewise Basin 1 was completed before LBP.
That means the bookends are as follows, dates to be narrowed a bit further with related info that does not appear inside the pic's camera frame.
Basin 1 work is a BEFORE bookend.
Demoliton of the hotel is an AFTER bookend.
In-between is the 2-3 stages of work done on Basin 2 and the Basin 3. To my eye, the LBP pic was taken while Basin 2 was partially empty because it looks like that part of the marina's piers had been thinned out significantly. Again, to my eye. Can illustrate what I mean but will have to return later with that. For now, the above bookends narrow the LBP pic's date-taken-on firmly. It may be the best we can do with high degree of asuredness. But I think I may narrow it based on the appearance of Basin 3 as full in LBP and Basin 2 as partially empty. Basin 2 work began before Basin 3.
I am thinking MAR 2015. Or, less narrowly, the winter of 2014/2015. The work on Basin 3 was underway by MAR 2016. and the work in Basin 2 was finishing up. And during that time the Hotel was still standing. It had a pecular shape and that can be discerned in LBP.
Fun times, eh.
Moar later.
March 19, 2014
https://www.ocregister.com/2014/03/19/developer-files-plans-to-demolish-seaport-marina-hotel-in-long-beach/
The Alamitos Bay Marina is a stone’s throw away from the proposed project. Its potential impacts on scenic vistas will be analyzed further in the environmental impact report.
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The pics here are of that hotel in GE and SE.
Details to follow.
In the meantime, the first Super Bowl was 1967 and both of the teams stayed at the hotel which was known as EDGEWATER at the time. The place later became the SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL.
Fascinating coverage of that first Super Bowl. Haven't delved deeply enough to figure a 1st and 10 on the 40 reference, but here are two key hyperlinks for anons keen on looking; these are very entertaining for a sports fan. The depth of sports analysis seems unthinkable nowadays on tellie or in newspapers.
http://www.packershistory.net/1966PACKERS/SUPERBOWL.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ihLXZ2-l7A
Hoping anons will tackle that angle in the meantime.
Naturally there would have been loads of cash involved in both the marina work and with that hotel and the redevelopment. Might be some hook in that. Jumping through hoops, greasing palms, cut-throat politics, and so on, all would be part of playing the game with stakes like that.
The address of the SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL was 6400 East Pacific Coast Highway, or HWY 1.
6400 reduces to 10.
On the 40, IDK.
https://www.laconservancy.org/locations/seaport-marina-hotel-demolished
The Googie buildings' distinctive features included unique Y-shaped piers supporting a diamond-patterned roofline on the main building, a folded-plate roofline on a circular office wing, decorative concrete block screens, and original diamond-patterned metal railings. Two two-story zigzag guest room wings originally housing 200 hotel rooms were arranged symmetrically to create partially enclosed courtyard spaces.
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That zigzag is discernible in the LBP pic. Seen in GE images and in SV images. This is why, at the very least, can state the pic could not have been taken AFTER the hotel was demolished in OCT 2017.
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pch-center-development-2017126-story.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0vJSrHlKw
Another Uk connexion, and possibly with at least one of the Londo Pics, is the fact that the BIG RED BUS COMPANY operated at the SEAPORT hotel during the years just prior to its demoliton. Double decker bus tours; some busses with open ujpper decks.
The fleet included at least one RML, converted to open top.
http://www.bigredbus.com/about-big-red-bus.html
^^^
RED DOUBLE DECKERS.
One is an RML, like in Q's red bus pic, but this one has been converted to an open top and happens to be in Long Beach located within the frames of LBP. Plus the Alamitos Roundabout at HWY 1 AND HWY 19, as in, possibly, 1st and 10. Westminster Blvd is also within the camera frame of LBP. The water theme plus bridges also part of both LBP and London Pics. And the significant updates to surroundings in the edgtes/details of the images.
Small and perhaps happenstance connexion with London Pics.
Pic here is SV APR 2016.
Tour buses operated out of a corner of the SeaPort Marina Hotel complex; different, I think from HYDRA, but roughly same address.
Would interdasting to learn if the old wooden docks where dismantled and herded together in a corral of some sort, on the water, while being dismantled and then hauled away en masse, rather than dismantle a few, haul those, rinse and repeat. Seems it would be more efficent to bring in the lorries for loading up without a lag time as the docks are broken up and moved about.
Interdasting because might explain the lack of differentiation in LBP where the piers would otherwise be well seperated by water.
In that regard, could be that the open water, after removal of the docking, was muddied during the dredging operation.
These two cropped images from LBP can be compared to see what I think are at least 3 tones or colours in the marina water.
A = Basin 3, brownish, does not look like the predominatly whitish areas seen where boats are docked, as in Basin 4.
B = Basin 2, also brownish but less dense, potentially muddied water from dredging. Also lacking the lines or edges of piers.
C = open water both in the channel, the bay, and the sea.
Oops, here is the comaprison cropped image from LBP, without the mark-ups obscuring portions.
In this version, the contrast has been increased. I think it serves to highlight the 'border' between Basin 3 and Basin 2 and between open water. The dredging crew used a screen or fence floated to contain sediment disturbed during there work.
Anons, what seems to be missing, to my eye, but you may see it, is the mast of the crane used for dredging. The unit began the corner of Basin 2 and I do have vid that shows the mast poking above everything else. I admit I have not spotted it but it would have been behind the screen that was used to fence in the dredging work.
Now, given the distance from the camera, the lighter brown area could be that way due to less density of boats/docks – there was a few days of dirving piles into the bed before bringing in the new concrete piers. Those were setup in the parking lot next to Basin 3, I think, and then assmbled shortly after they were lowered into the water before being towed into position.
If this work was underway, that could explain the relativel lack of traffic in and around the marina – in addition to quiet hours early in the day.
Noice. In LBP the end of the pier does NOT appear to be flat. So, as you suggested, it dates the pic as pre-demolition.
nbclosangeles.com/news/local/rubys-diner-seal-beach-pier-fire/2007789/
quote
Repairs to the damaged section are expected to take up to a year. About 8,000 square feet of the damaged section needs to be rebuilt. Demolition will begin in two weeks and should be completed in five weeks.
endquote
News report dated 15JUN2016.
Demoliton should be completed in 5 weeks.
Fire date. Friday morning, MAY 20 2016
Demolition completion date, 20JUL2016
Taken together, these events help date the Q pic as follows. The building would remain standing, even if damaged, until 20JUL2016 and so LBP would have been taken BEFORE that date.
Need to confirm actual date the demolition was completed. For now, don't need specific date for removal of the roof and upper structure because thinking there would be moar signs of demoliton work in the LBP pic. But such details might help narrow the date further. At this time we have a decent bookend.
Very f'king noice.
Can't seem to find those images. Could you drop the url, please, and show the date marker with one of the images that shows both the pier work and the hotel work. TY.
Here are GE images of the samed area of the pier.
Ruby's rooftop intact, FEB2016
Building removed, OCT2016
The demolition of RUBY's took place inside that interval, in summer 2016, mid-JUN to mid-JUL.
Here are views of Basins 2 and 3 during work on Basin 2. New docking in place, partially occupied, by FEB2016.
Plus a view of same area during work on Basin 3. New piers in place near Basin 2, old wooden piers still in place but partly dismantled, by OCT 2016.
The images you posted appear to be in OCT 2017 because that is when the hotel was being demolished.
LBP pic was taken BEFORE the completion of the marina work and BEFORE the few days of demoliiton of the hotel. But this can be narrowed by the demolition work on RUBY's during the summer months, possibly mid-JUN to mid-JUL 2016.
This, I think, would mean the hotel is in the LBP pic. And that it was taken before summer of 2016.
And, with less certainty, I think the work in Basins 2 and 3 may be evident in LBP. If that proves out, then, this would serve as a bookend that serves as the starting marker for LBP; the end marker would be summer 2016.
Interval of FEB2015 to JUL2016. All I have to go one, so far, is the set of three colours/tones in the water of Alamitos Marina in LBP.
Could mean that the mention of 2015/2016 in Q's London pics is another connexion between LBP and those pics.
TY Anon.
Does the app indicate 1. date of sat image and 2. data source of sat images?
Might have access through other means. But if limited to the Apple app, need to be able to reference it moar directly as sauce, I think. Screencaps with dates and source ID all in one would be ideal but could fit puzzle together also. Documenting this is as important for LBP as documenting the shrouded rooftop work behind Big Ben, I think.
These are drawn from Apple app but not sure about the date and the data source.
LONG BEACH/ SEAL BEACH
https://satellites.pro/North_Marina_Drive.Long_Beach_map.California_region.USA#33.758813,-118.101997,13
SEAL BEACH PIER
https://satellites.pro/North_Marina_Drive.Long_Beach_map.California_region.USA#33.738089,-118.107169,16
MARINA
https://satellites.pro/North_Marina_Drive.Long_Beach_map.California_region.USA#33.754812,-118.111567,17
MAP data from Los Angeles County, Office of Assesor. Different dates available. Municipal zoning etc.
https://apps.gis.lacounty.gov/m/?viewer=GISViewer/
Anon, I'm neither here nor there re Parkes. When a large vessel enters the canal, wouldn't there be local pilots on board to guide the vessel's pilot and crew? IDK.
DEXTER'S LAST KILL
https://www.seeing-stars.com/Dexter/PaulsMotel.shtml
Episode10 filmed at SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL, 3DEC2007.
Also episode 9. 26 NOV 2007.
List of DEXTER filming loations, Long Beach, CA.
https://www.seeing-stars.com/Dexter/ByLocation.shtml
https://www.seeing-stars.com/Dexter/ByLocation-SecondSeason.shtml
Very noice walk around Alamitos Marina from bridge view of Basin 4, along Basin 3, down the length of a pier toward the diagonal seawall, back along Basin 2, views of the parking area there, then skirting Basic 1, wrap around Long Beach Marine headquarters, view of the channel, and then back toward the ocean via Ballast Point, and finally a view from Lost Alamitos Landing.
https://youtu.be/ozS_iyJKpSE
Posted today few hours ago, recorded on Sunday 4 APR 2021. Provides ground level view of the parameter of the area of interest.
Would be great to have similar on-the-ground views of this area during 2016, particularly before 20 MAY 2016. A real gem would be views of the SeaPort Marina hotel area both before, during, and after the redevelopment there.
Dredging with clam shell, Alamitos Marina, Basin 2, vid posted 2012.
https://youtu.be/qNnqd3HOVG0
This 15 JUL 2012 vid shows dredging in Basin 1. The old wooden piers are removed exept for a few pieces corralled near the edge, perhaps serving as a tempory dock.
The underwater screen or fence protected the channel from sediments disturbed during dredging. This barrier straddled the water between LONG BEACH MARINE headquarters to THE NAVY YACHT CLUB. You might spot the bouys.
This vid has two clips. In the first, the camera is positioned approximately mid-way along pier 1. In the second clip, the camera is positioned at the LONG BEACH MARINE headquarters and looks toward the previous camera position.
So dredging took place in Basin 1 during summer 2012, pier work in 2013, rebuild done by JAN 2014. THEN we have pictorial evidence of dredging in Basin 2 during FEB 2015.
It is that period that I think was captured in LBP as per the 3 tones or colours in the waters of the channel, basin 3, and basin 2.
Apologies, the first line shoulda red Basin 1, nut Basin 2.
The Seal Beach Pier is also in LBP. The end of the pier does not look flat. If at that time it was still occupied by RUDY'S DINER, then, LBP pre-deates the fire/demolition of that structure in MAY-JUL 2016.
The rebuild work in the marina began with the dredging in FEB 2015.
The work in Basin 3 appears to have occured during the same period in which the SeaPort Marina was demolished. The hotel was gone by end of OCT 2017. See the pics posted earlier that show both works underway.
Ok, so Basin 3 and the hotel were prolly not disturbed during 2015/2016. These areas are in the LBP pic and it is very difficult to see whether or not work had begun at either site.
>>13357525, >>13357132, >>13360892, >>13361338
Meanwhile, LBP also shows the SEAL BEACH PIER which appears to have a structure that rises above the decking of the pier.
We have pictorial evidence that the end of the pier was flat in SEP 2016. And we have a news report that mentioned plans to remove the fire-damaged building within 5 weeks of that report's dateline. So about end of JUL 2016.
The fire took place 20 MAY 2016 and it is possible that demolition did not begin until mid JUNE 2016, as per the news report.
This provides a bookend of at least 15 JUN 2016 before which LBP had been taken. Yes, it could have been taken a little later, but not much later, if the demolition plan went ahead as scheduled more or less.
>if there are any better views you want me to look at, just tell me.
Thanks very much. Yeap, it would be terrific to document pictorially three things from the same data source and date – 1. Hotel demolition, 2. Basin 3 work, and 3. Pier end without the restaurant. Realizing this may be difficult on phone but will ask just in case you'd find a way to do it. Could you record your screen as you scroll from one location to the next, seamlessly, such that we can show the state of things in all three locations at the same time?
>>13382124 (You)
The Seal Beach Pier is in LBP. The end of the pier does NOT look flat. If at that time it was still occupied by RUBY'S DINER, then, LBP pre-dates the fire/demolition of that structure in MAY-JUL 2016.
The rebuild work in the marina began with the dredging in Basin 1 during SUMMER2012. We have pictorial evidence for dredging underway in Basin 2 during FEB 2015.
The work in Basin 3 appears to have occured during the same period in which the SeaPort Marina was demolished. The hotel was flattened by end of OCT 2017. See the pics posted earlier that show both works underway.
Basin 3 and the hotel may not have been disturbed during 2015/2016. These areas are in the LBP pic and it is very difficult to see whether or not work had begun at either site.
But, BOTH Basin 3 and the hotel were being worked on during mid OCT 2017 and prolly for some time earlier during which both were worked on at the same time. This would be relevant to LBP if the hotel could be discerned within the boundaries of the pic. While I think that is the case, got no direct evidence yet.
>>13357525, >>13357132, >>13360892, >>13361338 (You)
The end of the pier in LBP appears to have a structure that rises above the decking of the pier. The image is pixelated but there does appear to be a peaked rooftop. That would match the roof profile of RUBY'S DINER before the fire/demolition of MAY-JUL 2016.
We have pictorial evidence that the end of the pier was flat in SEP 2016. And we have a news report that mentioned plans to remove the fire-damaged building within 5 weeks of that report's dateline. So about end of JUL 2016.
The fire took place 20 MAY 2016 and it is possible that demolition did not begin until mid JUNE 2016, as per the news report. It prolly stood damaged for a few weeks before demolition began. We could work to narrow that down but for now …
This evidence provides a bookend of at least 15 JUN 2016 before which LBP had been taken. Yes, the photo could have been taken a little later, but not much later, if the demolition plan went ahead as scheduled more or less.
That would put the work on Basin 3 and the hotel more than a year later.
From this we can draw a few basic points.
LBP was taken before JULY 2016, and
LBP included the still standing SeaPort Marina hotel, and
the work on Basin 3 in the marina had not yet begun when LBP was taken.
We have no bookend, yet, for the earliest that LBP could have been taken, which means
pier 1 in Basin 1 could have been the pre-refurb pier with 23 slips or it could have been the post-refurb pier with 17 slips.
Seems to me that the reconfiguration of Pier 1 could be a significant marker if it can be connected with something else by which we can draw a date for the NOT BEFORE bookend.
Well, the work on Basin 4 was underway in SEP/OCT 2011 and completed by APR 2013 by which time the piers were fully occupied again. Basin 4 is in LBP and it looks full of white vessels.
From this we have a NOT BEFORE bookend. LBP was taken after the work in Basin 4 was finished between OCT 2011 and APR 2013. Going by the timing of the completion of subsequent work on the other basins, if that is any indication, the work was done early in the new year. So, JAN/MAR 2013.
Note that the work in the marina was done in stages with each basin being rebuilt before moving on to the next basin. Basin 1 appears was dredged in summer of 2012. In GE imagery of APR 2013, Basin 4 is reoccupied while Basin 1 is empty of vessels with half of the new concrete piers in place. This suggests the work in Basin 4 was finished before dredging in summer of 2012. Prolly done in winter of 2012/2012.
Meaning that the LBP pic, which shows a full basin 4, taken AFTER the beginning of 2012. Now, it may be that Basin 1 also was fully occupied, as there is a lot of white in that area of the marina. In which case, the work on basins was in series and not in parallel, the refub in Basin 1 had been completed BEFORE the LBP pic was taken.
If that makes sense, and if we can confirm with further evidence, then, the time interval for LBP would be early 2014 to summer 2016. Call it 2014/2015, for now.
To my eye, the colours in Basins 2 and 3, and in contrast with open water in the channel, the bay, and the sea, suggest that work was underway in Basin 2 which would move the bookend to FEB 2015. Call that winter of 2015/summer of 2016.
>if there are any better views you want me to look at, just tell me.
Thanks very much. Yeap, it would be terrific to document pictorially three things from the same data source and date – 1. Hotel demolition, 2. Basin 3 work, and 3. the end of the pier without the restaurant.
I realize that this may be difficult while phonefagging, but will ask just in case you'd find a way to do it. Could you record your screen as you scroll from one location to the next, seamlessly, such that we can show the state of things in all three locations at the same time?
AND if you can spot anything in those 3D images that indicates completion of work in Basin 2, that would be kewl. Always trying to tidy-up loose ends even as we pull on other threads to unravel in the digz.
Fren, been a little shy asking about this, but nothing ventured nothing gained so here it goes. The bottom right corner of LBP features a distinctly included disturbance on the surface water. I've been drawn back to it time and again.
It might be a boat heading away from shore, I can see that.
But might it be something else under the surface with its bow pushing waves ahead?
Here is LBP cropped and also LBP enhanced.
Be gentle. Kek.
Here is are two enhanced versions of LBP. Some parts are made better but at the cost of deteriortion in other parts. Always observe against the original, natch.
That looks like a gud pan plan, fren. You might get away with fewer caps but as you see fits the purpose. TY.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2017/10/30/photos-video-crews-demolish-the-seaport-marina-hotel-in-long-beach/
This link has a coupla dozen pics and vid of the demoliton work re SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL.
Can anons help access this little treasure trove. Its is behind a wall. Looks like very promising content that may show many things such as the sequence the buildings went down. That would help in analysis of LBP.
This is GE image of the Alamitos Marina. The SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL is encircled and the question becomes, IF that is 52, where is the 50 and where is the 40?
Looked at from the reverse angle, the 52 becomes 25.
2 x 25 = 50
25 = 2x5 = 10
PCH is highway 1
Where is the 40?
Looked at from both angles, same time, could be as follows. PCH or highway 1 intersects with 2nd STREET -
5 x 2 = 10
2 x 5 = 10
10+10=20
2 x 20 = 40
Between SEAL BEACH and LONG BEACH, 2nd Street becomes WESTIMINSTER BLV.
Also, the SEAPORT was replaced by a new shopping complex called 2nd & PCH.The short list of the mall's original first group of tenants included SHAKE SHACK, which happens to be the new tenant at the former KFC location in LONDON UK that is reflected in the red panels of Q's RED BUS pic on Coventry Street, just off PICCADILLY CIRCUS.
IDK, coincidences, coincidence, coincidences.
I may have left too subtle the note that one coincidence is reflections. Looking at the SEAPORT as a 25/52 prior to demolition versus looking at the KFC/SHAKE SHACK white facade in the reflection on the red bus.
Also the theme of demolition and rebuilding/refurbishing is common across LBP and the London pics, including the RED BUS pic.
The centre of LBP is BASIN 1 of the marina; could even say it is slip 10 in pier 1, but that might be too narrow. IDK. But the changes made in that particular location was part of a series or pattern of upgrades in surroundings that led to observing the replacement of the SEAPORT with 2nd & PCH.
Might we also look for the vehicles to compare, as well?
I have a vid of the red double decker bus that travelled the streets around the SEAPORT Marina Hotel. It was an RML, like the one in the RED BUS pic. Not as shiny and far, far, far from home.
UK/US
US/UK
The white facade reflected in the RED BUS pic may have its twin in a white area formerly occupied by the SEAPORT. If you look carefully, you may spot several white features that serve as markers to orientate the view of the marina/hotel in various sources of pictorial evidence such as SV, GE, drone vids, vids taken from landing planes, and other pics like those of the demolition of the hotel and work on the marina. Well there is at least one key white area in LBP that matches up with the hotel but at this point the question is can the date of LBP be narrowed down based on this feature.
White reflection in RED BUS pic.
White marker in LBP.
Are there other pics related to LBP in some way? Am thinking of BUS SHELTER 'S' and the possibility of looking at SEAPORT as two 'S' shapes. There were two bus shelters identified as 'S' in the London Pics. One was the coach stop for trips out of London; the other was a Transit for London stop across from the Can Embassy enroute to the NZ embassy, which was in one of the CH pics - just over the should of the CH and on the edges of the camera frame. Two S's in both LBP and London Pics. In LBP the S shape is kinda reflected within the SEAPORT buildings.
The intersection or junction where highway 1 and 2nd street meet is known for two things.
It is one of the busiest crossings in the country.
Close to the border with SEAL BEACH, the crossing is known as the gateway to Long Beach.
1st & 10 on the 40
1st and 10 @ the 50
As previously noted, the Junction from which the new shopping complex has drawn its name, 2nd & PCH, becomes WESTMINSTER at the border with Seal Beach.
Busy.
Gateway.
How do you repair a bridge without closing it down?
Q 2938
BRIDGES - connecting people.
Q 2058
What is the purpose of a BRIDGE?
Q 1963
Gateway Bridge Project.
Q 1015
What is a gateway?
Multiple meanings.
https://youtu.be/PtEiA2j9vgU
Demolition is a theme and Q did provide guidance to examine updates/surroundings. In the Red Bus pic, in the background and mostly just out of frame, that building was gutted, as you say, and a new roof installed; it was shrouded with the bird motif and that could be seen as a sort of 'cover' re when a bird sings; all of that occured shortly AFTER the RED BUS pic was taken; and the work did not close down the surroundings .
Meanwhile, in LBP the building was flattened and replaced while the marina was refurbished through demolition of its piers, dredging of its basins, but otherwise left intact as a facility; it was closed down in stages while other basins remained operable and traffic was not closed down.
A the other end of COVENTRY, Piccadilly Circus is one of the busiest traffic circles in the world. They say if you stand still there long enough you are bound to meet someone you know. So add a dose of familiarity into the mix of heavy traffic.
Likewise, 2nd & PCH is a busy gateway between WESTMINSTER and Long Beach, even LA; that route has undergone many changes over the years, natch, but it does feature a significant traffic circle near SIGNAL HILL enroute to LA and deeper into CA where eventually it connects with ROUTE 40 and the rest of the country - right thorugh to the east coast.
So, yeh, there is a theme of renewal, or gutting and restoring, or refurbishment of facilities and lines of traffic/comms.
The bird theme is something to ponder re LBP. It is itneresting that there was little, if any, shrowding on display during the new mall's construction, but there was a green fence erected around its parameter once the hotel was shut-in in prep for demolition. From the street level, that was a sort of shroud, and all the moreso given the limitations on heights of buildings in that part of Long Beach.
Birds.
First superbowl teams stayed at EDGWATER HOTEL, 1967. Chiefs and Packers.
1973 supervowl champions stayed there, Dolphins who played Redskins.
Is there a bird sanctuary within or on the edges of the LBP camera frame? Coastal parkland? If we think, cover story?
HIGH RES vid of LBP environs via Drone above the PENINSULA, March 2014.
https://youtu.be/CG-l9Ax8uYQ
May need to watch it in slower speed setting, although the edited recording was adjusted to half-speed and for zooms and for straightening re horizon.
What do you see…
LBP
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Peninsula,+Long+Beach,+CA+90803,+USA/@33.7483934,-118.1284118,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80dd303d55f1c57b:0x4edef146c82d3fd!8m2!3d33.7494289!4d-118.1232403
Peninsula, Long Beach
Vintage postcard of the hotel when it was known as the EDGEWATER INN. Was relted to the HYATT before it became the SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133567460381?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001
TY.
Compare and contast 2014 with 2018.
ALAMITOS MARINA and SEAL BEACH PIER, Summer 2018.
https://youtu.be/E_RHwQlZhw0
SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL demolished during OCT-NOV 2017.
2ND and PCH constructed MAY 2018 to OCT 2019.
The previous vid showed the old SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL still standing in MAR 2014. The end of the SEAL BEACH PIER was still occupied by RUBY'S DINER, until fire and demolition in MAY-JUL-2014.
In MAY 2017, the hotel site underwent asbestos abatement. Some rootftops and walls were torn apart.
This vid shows the site of the old SEAPORT MARINA HOTEL during the early months of construction of the new shopping complex, JUN-JUL 2018. The hotel was shut-in and a fence was erected around the parameter of the property along the edge of the roadways/sidewalks. The development was completed by OCT 2019 when the mall was opened.
Here we can compare and contrast the hotel site and the end of the pier; and compare with LBP.
Got another vid coming up that makes use of the satellite images that Anon captured whiel phonefagging recently. When we have this evidence layed out on the table, we might be able to fill in the gaps in the time interval that would have markers which match LBP.
The TRUTH is NOT for EVERYONE.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: a48b57 No.11193040📁
Oct 21 2020 13:56:57 (EST)
A deep dark world is being exposed.
The truth won't be for everyone.
Have faith in Humanity.
Q 4915
Those you are taught to trust the most.
Sometimes you have to show people.
Ask yourself, if you did not have the lessons of STALIN and MAO to comprehend the evil of communism/statism, then, would you readily understand the current threat to civilization?
If you believed the MSM and the let's-tame-CHICOMS-by-letting-them-takeover-the-supply-chain-and-empty-our-country-of-jobs, then, hasn't the last 5 years or so slapped you awake?
How much false blather must society listen to before it wrips down the veil?
>https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=The_Pike¶ms=33_45_58_N_118_11_21_W_type:landmark
Pine Ave south of Ocean BLVD.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/thepike/
https://showmehome.com/pike-long-beach-now/
LBP = Long Beach Pike
May be relevant because of the theme park idea. To this day Pine Ave continues with the motif. Check out the following vid, 2013 posted, that shows some of these features still at that site, including roller coaster on a bridge and a downscaled ferris wheel like THE EYE overlooking, or watching, the water.
Also, note the Queen Mary is a perm moored floating restaurant/hotel. A spectacular upgrade from the TATT and HISP.
Long Beach is known for many things, natch, so our bias can find a home there. The Gateway to the Pacific is an old moniker. If London is the Financial Capital of the world, what would be Long Beach, along these lines, if not a gateway, as befitting the American Football notion of turning from defence to offence at the 40-yard line or gateway toward the opposition's zone…
https://youtu.be/rM_4O8uwLww
PINE AVENUE / LBPIKE
see
Queen Mary - extensive overview
plus –
Pine Avenue Pier, 5mins9secs
The Pike/ Coaster motif, 5mins18secs
Wheel, 5mins26secs
LONG BEACH, Feb 16, 2013
https://youtu.be/evRei0iZzc8
Pic related - map of the LBP area with a route plotted that adheres to 1's and 10's. So begin with 1001 as a street address on 10th Street in Long Beach, turn onto PCH which state highway 1, reach the Traffic Circle near Signal Hill and connect with highway 19, continue to highway 101, turn toward LA and travel to the vicinity of Wilshire Blvd which is near downtown, yes, and the Standard Hotel which is on Flower Street.
There was a military exercise on Wilshire Blvd at this location. It involved a few military helicopters making very unusual landings and low flights in the urban streets of LA. I am no expert on such maneuveres but seems very dangerous to engage in such flights in city roadways in such close proximity to a civillian population.
Back to basics. First and Ten on the Forty may be about distance, as per the notion of advancing 10 yards into the opponent's half of the playing field and starting an offensive march toward their endzone.
First is first down, the start of a series of plays during which the team on offense tries to gain at least 10 yards to retain the ball for another series of plays or downs. Each series includes max of 4 downs, but each gain of 10 yards resets the series to first down. So first and ten means 1st down with 10 yards to gain for another 1st down. For instance, the team on offense could make 3 first downs, gaining 10 yeards with each series, and reach the opponent's 10 yard line or better, meaning close to scoring by moving the ball successfuly into their endzone. As the team on offense makes its advance it also will have opportunities to score by field kicking the ball through the uprights at the opponent's endzone. Forty yards is close enough for many kickers to score and the closer the team advances to the endzone the better the chances of scoring by such a kick. Of course, the ball can be run into the endzone or thrown and caught in the endzone. The closer the team advances to the endzone, the better the chances of running or throwing to score. Hence the notions of ground game and air game.
Anons who are better versed in the American game will correct me if this inadequately describes the basics of first and ten on the forty. Let's apply this to the field of play, as it were, captured in LBP.
The distance is approximately 60 kms between the approximate location of the helicopter incident on Wilshire Bvld, Los Angeles and the centre of the LBP pic, approximately Basin 1, Alamitos Bay Marina, Long Beach. Give or take.
On the football field, while you are at THEIR 40, you are also on YOUR 60. Holding ground that is 40 yards from scoring in THEIR endzone, which is ahead of you, places your team 60 yards from YOUR endzone which is behind you. Flip it around and, if you were starting inside your own half of the field, you might be at YOUR 40 with 60 yards to reach their endzone.
UK/US
US/UK
Metric vs American Imperial measures.
Approximately 60 kms is 40 miles. The distance between these two locations within the camera frames of LBP can be more carefully measured, depending on final destination points and routes and means of travel/transport. But from A to B is approximately 60 kms or 40 miles.
Note that 60 miles is approximtely 100 kms.
There is always something lost in an exchange, call it the middleman's fee, kek. Not sure that here we need the same sort of precision with which Q communicated [30], but we can look for patterns.
25 miles is 40 kms.
31 miles is 50 kms.
37 miles is 60 kms.
62 miles is 100 kms.
100 miles is 161 kms
64 kms is 40 miles.
80 kms is 50 miles.
96 kms is 60 miles.
160 kms is 100 miles.
What is a SEQUENCE?
What is a map?
Why is a map useful?
What is a legend?
Why is a legend useful?
What is a sequence?
Why is this relevant?
When does a map become a guide?
What is a keystone?
Everything stated is relevant.
Everything.
Future provides past.
Map provides picture.
Picture provides 40,000ft. v.
40,000ft. v. is classified.
Why is a map useful?
Think direction.
Think full picture.
Q 128
Another measure is ft for elevation in internatinal traffic control for flights?
40 thousand feet.
On the 40?
Fren, could you add another cap from the iphone sat images, please.
Pic related.
At the entrance to the bay, at the start of the jetties to the sea, the left edge of related pic, there is a yacht club and it has basin 5. Could you either pan or zoom back a bit to include those docks?
o7
Think the iphone sat images are from just before DEC 2017 GE images of 12/2017 which show concrete piers mostly assembled and partially occupied.
Compare the images from the two sources.
GE 12/2017 image of basin 3 for comparison with iphone sat images.
Main features which help date LBP.
A - Hotel demolished SEP/OCT 2017
B - Basin 5 rebuilt FEB/MAR 2014
C - Ruby's Diner fire/demolition MAY/JUL 2016
D - Marina Basins 1-4 rebuilt in stages 2011/2017
Here's my current revamp of the actual versus projected schedue for the work done on AMALITOS BAY MARINA refurbishment. Will update as more refined actual intervals are figured and confirmed.
Note that basin 5, the small docking area at the yacht club at the entrance to the bay, was moved ahead of schedule when it was started after basin 1 was done in JAN 2014, and before basin 2 was started in APR 2014. In other words, basin 5 was started and finished during early 2014 - JAN-FEB-MAR. This is according to GE and SV imagery as well as local marina news reports and, also, online sources such as vids and pics that have date taken info or posted date info.
Table 2
Alamitos Bay Rehabilitation Project Phases
Phase Months Basin
1a 6 4
1b 1.5 Mitigation Site
2‐3 12 1
4‐7 24 2
8‐11 24 3
12 6 5, 6N/6S, and 7
Notes: Information obtained through personnel communications with TranSystems (2009).
LBP re Alamitos Bay Marina refujrbishment.
This is a screen cap of map of basins found in the project proposal, NOV 2009.
https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/rwqcb4/board_decisions/tentative_orders/individual/non-npdes/alamitos_bay/alamitos_bay_marina_permit_application_supplement.pdf
LBP Reverse View 2015 APR 23, Landing at Long Beach Airport LGB
https://youtu.be/eLP_6WaLB5o
The mirrored view, more or less, of LBP pic, from flight landing at the airport in Long Beach California. Look for the jetties of the navy yard, the Seal Beach Pier, and the jetties of ALAMITOS BAY. During APRIL 2015, the marina in the bay underwent refurbishment with the old wooden piers and docks replaced by concrete updates. At the time of this recording, Basin 2 was still largely empty after the removal of the old docking, dredging, and the start of assembly of the new docking. Note the angled seawall area in between basin 2 and 3; it is empty of vessels. Also look for the '25' pattern in the layout of the wings of the SeaPort Marine Hotel which was adjacent to basins 2 and 3. Another feature that is noteworthy is how the placid waters and the hazey sky resemble conditions, somewhat, of the day the LBP pic was taken.
>>13437195, >>13431327, >>13422456, >>13395796, >>13393411, >>13393236, >>13393100, >>13392413, >>13392000, >>13392067, >>13389618, >>13386534, >>13386406, >>13382682, >>13382382, >>13382124, >>13382073, >>13381680, >>13381342,>>13357525, >>13356364, >>13356347
Here is a cropped version of LBP, modified by increased saturation for colour contrast, with key features highlighted. Look for these landmarks in the vid previously posted. The flight landed at the airport, which is also within the camera frame of LBP, and which is roughly outlined in yellow in this modified version.
LBP - landmarks.
Keep your eye open for the large block shaped building that appears at about 1min53secs in the above vid of landing at aiport. This building just happens to lined up with the bend in the jetty at Anaheim Bay, the navy yard. These two features can be used to line-up, or orientate, other images such as GE and SV, so as to simulate the field of view of LBP. About midway on the length of such a vertical line is what? Surprise, surprise, suprise. The corner of basin 2 intersects the line between the jetty corner and the large white building in the background, Veteran Amins Hospital.
Anyway, as anons view these vids, compare against other images by finding these features.
In the vid you can spot basin 1 which is full of vessels; likewise basin 4, at which there was along temp gangway used by boat owners whose slips had been unavailable during the refurbishments of each basin.
TYVM fren.Pretty much read my mind.
Behind the hanging foot of the man with the pike/oar appears to be a number formed within the froth of the turbulent river.
A number or two letters.
Surround by a squarish parameter. Could have been painted as a shadow…
What is the play on SCIF
SCI[F]
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#14
Q 14 is the only instance of SCI[F] in all 4953 Q posts. There are 12 posts that include SCIF, some with brackets others without.
[F]
There are 27 instances of [F] in all of the Q posts. It seems to mean FOREIGN, as in foreign assets.
[F]?
What is [F]ailure?
Q 1645
Q 1676
16 = ABE LINCOLN
Repeated failures before success.
45 =
76 =
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/crossing-of-the-delaware/
At first glance, the decision to transport 2,400 Continental soldiers across an icy river in one night, directly into a severe winter storm of sleet and snow seems irrational.
Washington's decision, however, was based on strategic motivation, understanding that the Continental Army desperately needed a victory after months of intense fighting with several significant defeats and no major victories. Washington also understood that the element of surprise was the only way that he and his army stood a chance of defeating the highly trained Hessian mercenaries.
On the morning of December 25, 1776, Continental soldiers woke up in their camps along the Delaware River to frozen, snow-covered ground. Weather conditions worsened and temperatures continued to drop throughout the day. Late in the afternoon, the Continentals left their tents and began to form along the river in anticipation of the night's events. Washington kept almost all of the details of the crossing a secret; as a result, none of the soldiers knew anything about their upcoming mission.
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Note that the mercenaries were [F] assets.
Note that, at the time, England was not 'foreign' - it had fought and won a war that beneifted the security of the Colonialists. But to quell the revolutionaries, England deployed all assets [F] and [D]. This conflict was a type of civil war amongst the Colonialists as well among Englishmen, as it were.
Think CIVIL WAR re the painting of THE CROSSING OF THE DELAWARE. German-born painter. Who were the Hessians?
Think legend. Did that now famous painting represent historical accuracy? Yes, re-review Q 128. Very instructive.
During the American Civil War, there were many failures before success. Abe was haunted by his failures. Thirsted for success, not blood, and won victory despite failures and with bloodshed.
Today, what might 16[45] indicate? Compare Q 1645 with 1676. Long game.
Here is a vid smashed together some time ago and slightly revised today. There is a number in the water of the famous painting. It is aligned with the 'moon' snowflake in the sky above the flotilla on the river.
https://youtu.be/s26RkzBJHJA
moar references
https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/the-revolutionary-war/washingtons-revolutionary-war-battles/the-trenton-princeton-campaign/10-facts-about-washingtons-crossing-of-the-delaware-river/
re-imagining the crossing
https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-iconic-american-history-painting-facts-wrong
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/11417
https://www.ushistory.org/penn/pennengland.htm
Do you recall this painting…
https://www.spiritualpilgrim.net/04_America_The-Covenant-Nation/02_The-Colonies-Mature/02a_The-Middle-Colonies-2.htm
flashback
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/07/03/divide-they-try-fail-they-will-the-absolutely-savage-newq-qanon-greatawakening/
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/03/31/washington-crossing-the-delaware/
The website of the Metropolitan Museum of Art tells us that Leutze began the painting in 1849 but it was damaged by a fire in 1850. The artist repaired the damage and the painting was acquired by Bremen Kunsthalle, an art museum in Bremen, Germany. That painting was destroyed in 1942 during a World War II bombing raid by British forces.
Fortunately, Leutze had created a copy of the painting shortly after the first, and David Parrish reports that painting was shipped to New York City in the autumn of 1851, where thousands flocked to its display in a New York gallery and at the U.S. Capitol Rotunda in Washington DC. The painting is now on permanent display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City.
Other authorized copies are displayed at Perdue University, at Washington Crossing Historic Park, and in the White House.
>appears that Q's image has had a colour filter applied.
The version of the painting that is usually displayed at the Metropolitan Museum of Art … is a version of the painting that Leutze began in 1850 after the original, begun in 1849, was damaged in a fire. The museum does not display the original.
The notion that Leutze created a romanticized version of a critical moment in American history is generally accepted by art experts.
“Leutze wanted to convey the idea of Washington’s heroism and to mythologize him, and you’re not going to do that necessarily by getting terribly hung up on factual information,” said Elizabeth Kornhauser, a curator of American paintings at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. “He was creating an operatic theatrical piece.”
A restoration of the painting was recently completed, and it will be unveiled in a new frame as the centerpiece of the New American Wing Galleries for Paintings, Sculpture and Decorative Arts at the Met when the wing opens to the public on Jan. 16.
A museum spokesman, Harold Holzer, said the Leutze painting was “the most asked-about picture at the Met.”
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/a-famous-painting-meets-its-more-factual-match/
Leutze painted two versions of this painting. He began the first in 1849 immediately following the failure of Germany's own revolution. This initial canvas was eventually destroyed during an Allied bombing raid in World War II. The artist began the second version of Washington Crossing the Delaware in 1850. This later painting was transported to New York where it was exhibited in a gallery in October 1851. Two years later, Marshall O. Roberts, a wealthy capitalist, purchased the work for the then-staggering price of $10,000. It was donated to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in 1897. It remained there until 1950 when long held curatorial concerns about its bombastic, crowd-pleasing qualities led the museum to send it to Dallas and eventually to a site near the actual river crossing. The painting returned to New York in 1970.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-americas/us-art-19c/romanticism-us/a/leutze-washington-crossing-the-delaware
Also see screencaps from very detailed article in The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin, The number we noticed may be dates; there is another set of numbers in another part of the painting.
16.4.51
5.2.51
Fall 2011 Volume LXIX, Number 2
https://issuu.com/metmuseum/docs/washington_fall_2011_bulletin
Original started in 1849.
Original damaged in a fire.
Original repaired but destroyed in bombing raid in WWII.
Copy painted by Leutze, started in 1850.
That copy, not the original, is displayed at Met Museum of Art.
Restoration completed 'recently', article dateline DECEMBER 23, 2011.
The Met version was 'cleaned' in 1947.
That version underwent extensive study and restoration in 2009.
Washington Crossing the Delaware: Restoring an American Masterpiece
Published on Jul 15, 2013
https://issuu.com/metmuseum/docs/washington_fall_2011_bulletin
Carrie Rebora Barratt, Lance Mayer, Gay Myers, Eli Wilner, and Suzanne Smeaton The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin, Fall 2011 Volume LXIX, Number 2 Copyright © 2011 by The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York
Two somewhat puzzling sequences of numbers were painted into the light-colored highlights of the ice floes, as if they were not intended to be easily seen. Immediately above the roots of the fallen tree caught in the ice near the left edge someone painted 5.2.51, and 16.4.51 appears at the lower left just to the right of where the large oar meets the water (figs. 27, 28). The numbers appear to represent dates February 5, 1851, and April 16, 1851 both plausibly during the time Leutze was working on the painting. Letters from Eastman Johnson, who was sharing Leutze’s atelier at the time, document that the composition was two-thirds finished in March 1851 and that a reception was held in May to celebrate its completion. This kind of semi-concealed dating is very unusual in nineteenth-century painting (or indeed in painting of any period). Leutze himself may have been documenting different stages of the work, or perhaps the dates were painted by a bored or mischievous assistant wanting a bit of immortality and hoping that Leutze would not notice. Leutze did employ assistants for his large paintings, and Worthington Whittredge and Andreas Achenbach can be documented as having worked on the sky of the first version of Washington Crossing the Delaware. Since Eastman Johnson was working in Leutze’s studio at the time, he must be considered a suspect.
Page 24
I retyped the snippet above as could find no way to copy-paste the text directly; so if there are typos, those are mine and not in the original publication.
While these 'puzzling sequences of numbers' may or may not be dates, they are fairly well concealed unless one is looking for them and is scrutinizing areas on the edges or near the 'camera frame', as it were, of the painting. So, it is plausible, to me, that one could use this set of sequences, knowing that these are there and that anons might search for something like it.
Recall Q 128 and its instructive content regarding maps and interpreting what is posted in multiple ways. I do think these sequences serve as dates, as that would be the most obvious purpose, but what was being dated if not the painting's progress, IDK. Makes me think about the posts that Q described or hinted at overlaying comms within images. The 'paintn picture' phrase does come to mind, as Anon pointed out earlier in the bread.
Also, if these sequences marked progress in the painting of this very big picture, and if ths picture was more about a romanticized version of the legend, then, we have quite a lot of Q 128 to lay over the particulars.
It is apt that the UKAnons are tackling this in this way; we have honed our eyes and tuned our almonds via work on the London Pics in much the same way.
>February 5, 1851, and April 16, 1851 both plausibly during the time Leutze was working on the painting. Letters from Eastman Johnson, who was sharing Leutze’s atelier at the time, document that the composition was two-thirds finished in March 1851 and that a reception was held in May to celebrate its completion.
For emphasis. This painting is very large – 21ft x 12ftr approx. If the sequences denote dates, then, we have deltas.
1849, picture - the original - was started
1850, picture - the copy - was started
5 FEB 1851
16 APR 1851
MAR 1951, picture was 2/3rds finished
MAY 1951 reception
1947, Met copy was cleaned
2009, Met copy was restored
2011, Met copy was restored, again.
Define clean/cleaning.
Define restore/restoration.
What is the significance of a copy replacing the original and thereafter treated as original, idk.
When the original is copied by the originator, is the second work a replica, counterfeit, replacement. If the public sees yet a different copy, hanging on display, does that detract from the original work.
When the restoration workers analyzed the layers in the painting, it would be like deciphering the layers to which Q has drawn our attention.
See Q 4310
HOW DO YOU ADD LAYERS OF PROTECTION?
Incudes reference to SCIF.
Think origins of.
Think one of a kind pictures.
Think updates/surroundings.
Think weather.
CROSSING THE DELAWARE.
SCI[F]
Compare with SKIFF and think element of surprise/secrecy
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skiff
The weather made the crossing more difficult but also reinforced the skepticism with which the Hessians had received 'intelligence' from spies and such that the Colonial Army prepared to attack their stronghold. Say what you will about the gambit and say what you will about the historical accuracy of the painting, the legend has a message of fortitude and happenstance and making one's own 'luck'. Two other crossings did not succeed. Think 2/3rds completed.
Q 1446
https://qanon.pub/index2.html?q=weather#1446
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 205f78 No.1694816 📁
Jun 10 2018 23:20:57 (EST)
Every single picture posted is ORIGINAL.
Pulled/Wiped or Taken.
Think about what that means.
Q
Q 1447
https://qanon.pub/index2.html?q=weather#1447
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 205f78 No.1694863 📁
Jun 10 2018 23:22:59 (EST)
Anonymous ID: 2f086d No.1694833 📁
Jun 10 2018 23:21:39 (EST)
>>1694816
Not necessarily from /ourguy/s…
>>1694833
Q 1448
https://qanon.pub/index2.html?q=weather#1448
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: c78f8c No.1694930📁
Jun 10 2018 23:27:44 (EST)
FF weather alert (WW).
Stay vigilant and maintain situational awareness.
Q
>Signatures have necessary meaning
Christmas, 1776
Posted on December 25, 2015 by Phill Greenwalt
https://emergingrevolutionarywar.org/2015/12/25/christmas-1776/
On Christmas, 1776, George Washington took the greatest gamble of the American Revolution, up to that date. On that cold and snowy night, with an ice-clogged river, and an army teetering on the verge of disintegration, the American commander led his command toward a signature, morale-improving, improbable victory.
He defeated Hessian soldiers, in the service of the British, at Trenton, New Jersey. The call sign –used to enter and exit the American camp– leading up to the offensive movement was “victory or death.”
That was quite an accurate statement to summarize the dire straits the American cause of independence had become by winter 1776. The heroics of that night lent itself to the painting by Emanuel Leutze in 1851 that is chock full of historical inaccuracies. But the painting conjured up images of that noble band of American patriots that followed George Washington across the frozen waterway in 1776.
[Did you know that James Monroe, who would be wounded at the Battle of Trenton, is painted in holding the flag? There is no primary account that puts both men in the same boat that night, though.]
Luckily, famous historical artist Mort Kunstler, took a look at Leutze’s famous painting and decided to make it more historically accurate. Although initially reluctant to tackle the project given the popularity of the previous work, Kunstler studied, tackled history books, and diligently sought such information like the type of boats that would have been used, in the process of creating a more historically accurate depiction.
He succeeded.
So, as you celebrate the holidays, you now need a little more space on the wall for a second painting of Washington and his army crossing the Delaware.
Whether you have the space or not on your wall for two paintings, one thing these great illustrations have in common is showing the fortitude of the American soldier.
That fortitude is still on display to this very date. On Christmas Day 2015 thousands of men and women, in the service of America, will serve around the world, where the call sign of “victory or death” is not a mere anecdote from years past, unfortunately.
Thank you to all the men who crossed that icy river many cold nights ago to help win our independence and to the men and women who keep watch tonight on another cold night around the world.
Crossing the Delaware
https://youtu.be/_9R89shlO6k
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Vids of anon's iphone caps of sat images of ALAMITOS BAY MARINA.
ALAMITOS BAY MARINA, IPHONE SATELLITE IMAGES, ROTATED CROPPED.
https://youtu.be/se4lHwD2aWo
ALAMITOS BAY MARINA, IPHONE SAT IMAGES, CROPPED ONLY.
https://youtu.be/VWTcnONVwFI
https://youtu.be/se4lHwD2aWo