This thread is for /Asatru/ related questions that don't need a separate thread.
#1: >>299
Its important to start off with the runes and then to know them for whatever reason. So I'll take your question to mean whether you learn Viking Ancestor Norse and mispronounce sounds while reading the stories, larping along? Or instead use a "White American" identity to understand the runes and pronounce them as such in your English.
You probably only think in really "Modern English" and many English translations are incomplete since the translators didn't know that the speaking of the sounds was as powerful as their meaning, so they tried to create a single "one" translation for each piece, probably because they were Christian and Christians need to abstract to a singular meaning, though the more they try the more different meanings they come up with in their own works. Anyway in English you could think of this multiple meanings seen in the phrase "take it" as meaning either "steal this" or "accept this" and then the "accept this" even being divided into "I'm giving this to you", "I'm forcing this onto you" or other situations. Germanics greatly admired this use of language, in that your mindset while reading or hearing greatly affected what you heard or saw.
So if you want advice to act upon I would focus on knowing as much of the core sounds in your language, these need not have to be pronounceable. Of course many of those in your nation are not "White Americans" and so you should probably temper yourself in the sounds and runes of your ancestors before trying to see deeply into the "White Americans" around you. Especially since jewish media has dulled everything, remember though if the blood is untarnished then in their actions/expressions even very small ones will come out, if you know what to look for. So having as much in your mind spiraling around as your interact with strangers or kin could be the most helpful in your figuring yourself out.
There is no "White American" rune poem but there is still a "White America" from which you can make your basis, in time a rune poem may form but remember the action of writing down is to also entertain that what is written is feared of being unable to be regenerated again.
Ehh, it's totally ok, you just have to trace your roots and figure out which culture you identify with the most while also respecting your other ancestors. Just don't be a LARPer who straightaway picks the Germanic ancestry over the others just because you think it's cool or because you're a natsoc or something, this is something you should consider sincerely.
There's nothing you can do about your ethnic identity right now except being optimistic and making sure your future kids won't have an ambiguous ethnicity too.
I want to believe in the gods but it feels like I'm just fooling myself. I'm sympathetic to the idea of paganism and can see why it's important for anyone to return to their native roots, but I just feel empty when I try to apply the beliefs to myself. It doesn't help that I'm American and don't know if I'm Celtic or Germanic. Should I fake it till I make it or just basically be a deist?
it takes a while to understand the true and ancient power of the gods and how they have shaped all things throughout time , read as much as you can on Germanic paganism then move on to other European sources, especially Roman and Greek since they have the most extent philosophies and theologies behind them and you can draw alot of comparisons between Stoicism and the kind of morality explained in the Havamal. Then move onto older sources of Indo-Aryan paganism like the Rigveda, Zoroastrian and Babylonian beliefs and early Hindu texts (before they became Hinpoo textst)
beyond that if understanding the gods as much as you can doesnt bring belief the only thing that will is true experience of their divine power, and that happens rarely.
youre a fucking retard if you actually think that Stoics were Christians and that its not the other way around, that Christians didnt adopt most of their ideals from the Stoics
>monotheists
I've read several Stoicist works where they use the names of Pagan deities in invocations. I also remember very clearly reading that Marcus Aurelius had a strong disdain for Christians and crucified many of them.
Not an arguement :)
If you feel like refuting that, be my guest.
I didn't say they were christians. I said that if you want to compare stoicism to christianity and paganism. It's a lot more christian than it is pagan.
>that Christians didnt adopt most of their ideals from the Stoics
They didn't. They used stoic terms to explain Christianity to Greeks and Romans.
>Marcus Aurelius
It's not like he was the founder of stoicism was he? He's just an empror that happened to be stoic and write a diary. We don't have a lot of stoic works so it became popular.
Why can't you "pagans" argue in civil manners? "you fucking retard", grow up kid.
Neither I'm a baptist :)
But he's not wrong, interracial marriage is not a sin against God. Might be unwise to do so, but it's not a sin.
I'm pretty sure it's not forbidden in your so called "religion" either. (correct me if I'm wrong)
Where do you even get your morality from? Do you believe in objective morality?
>baptist
go dunk your head in some cold water, you need it
>But he's not wrong, interracial marriage is not a sin against God. Might be unwise to do so, but it's not a sin.
GUYS LOOK A LITERAL CHRISTCUCK
>I'm pretty sure it's not forbidden in your so called "religion" either.
it is actually. In fact, my Gods command the annihilation of all shitskins, so marrying them is obviously out of question
"O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."
Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5
"stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin."… “the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven.
[ RgV.IX.73.5 ]
I said, NEITHER.
I'm eastern orthodox my dude.
>GUYS LOOK A LITERAL CHRISTCUCK
???
I wouldn't marry someone who I share very little with. That's why I said it's unwise. I'm nationalist after I'm christian.
>it is actually. In fact, my Gods command the annihilation of all shitskins, so marrying them is obviously out of question
Wow, impressive. Even innocent brown people? Even virtuous brown people? Wow I'm so glad I'm white with fair hair and eyes. I get to live, right?
So I take that your religion is an ethnic religion. Which is a bit problematic, considering you call your religion the ultimate truth. (the truth is only limited to X people?)
I think I know another kind of people that do this kind of stuff, I think they are called jews.
Sounds pretty evil. I hope you are not serious.
>elaborate more on the subject of contradiction
Now, paganism is a big term but let's go with the /pol/ version of paganism:
>idolatry
From idolizing your race all the way to nature worship and wicca shit.
>sodomy and sexual immorality
Some pagans don't care about homosexuality, some oppose it.
Masturbation, adultery and fornication - pretty sure most of them are cool with these.
>pride
They are full of themselves.
Most of them are fedoras with the attitude of "too smart for religion". They try to discard God with babby-tier logic like "how can God be omnipotent if there's evil?!?!".
>hate
Full of hate to everyone who is not white. Ironically they hate whites who don't share the same world view (wow, it almost seems like race isn't the most important thing about a human being).
All of this crap is anti-christian. (there's more of course) But like I said, paganism is a very broad term.
You see this often among early European Christians separating themselves from their folk to be apart of a global clique. The borders of countries become material barriers to be broken down as it'll be in the Christian afterlife, the same continued among the liberals of the 1700s as well as the Communists of the 1900s. Go save a bunch of jews, Semitic-larper.
There's a difference between being driven by hate and hate evil deeds.
Awesome tv series you posted there buddy.
>Knightfall is a historical fiction drama television series
May I recommend you the new BBC Troy: Fall of a City?
It is very historical accurate, I'm sure you'll love it.
>liberals
>communists
>have anything to do with christianity
What the fuck are you about dude? That's absolutely ridiculous. Both of these politcal movement are anti-christian to the core.
>>has never read Tacitus Germania
There is a reason why Hitler and Himmler wished to make Tacitus's Germania the foundation of German society again while striping everything jewish out of the (((Bible))). He would have had it, had the jews in the US and the jews in the USSR not conspired together to destroy racial politics across Western Europe, jews of which your cult to Christ has never actually dealt with as an organization and only ever allowed (((them))) free movement where ever white people are.
>>inb4 we threw them out all these times
<<So your children in guilt would allow them back in
>>inb4 we killed some during the crusades
<<Even in their day the Papacy spoke and criminalized such attacks
>>inb4 Disputation of Tortosa
<<lasted only 5 years before the Pope excommunicated its originator
What might have been if our people weren't so easily convinced? But that is why Loki's treachery is most despised and you have unlearned it.
Well Philip the Fair threw the jews out of France and it was the Templars who protected these jews moving out of France. The Knights Templars were the landlords of jews across Europe during the Middle Ages, essentially allowing the jews to have a protected community in every country the Knights Templar were in. The history is far worse than that clip.
>>liberals and communists are anti-christian to the core
In the way you understand it, but both are a slave revolt using the same Christian themes which brought Christianity to Europe. They are as anti-christian as someone of the Papacy of the past would call Protestantism an anti-Christian movement by the same guise.
Here's an excerpt from a book from the early 1900s on the topic, Druid circles and Celtic burial, by Alexander Macbain. Black hair could be from the oldest phenotype in Europe or simply mulattos, I guess it'd have to be determined on a case by case basis. I've found more information in the Celtic sources on phenotypes rather than the Germanic ones.
What is the /asatru/ stance on using Indian malas (prayer beads) to concentrate on the God you want to contact? should the mantra be to the Vedic form of the God, or the godname in, say, Old Norse (for instance, saying a mantra to Indra when you want to invoke Perun/Thor)?
I would say use the traditional mantras when addressing Vedic deities with malas. If you wanted to use them for Norse deities you would have to write your own mantras of some kind and develop a new system.
tbh prayer beads are a pretty foreign system to the norse religion as far as we know, there is some scant evidence that they used beads for ritual purposes of some kind (the old english word for bead, "bede", means the same thing as prayer) but not enough to really reproduce an authentic system of any kind. i would go so far as to say that rosaries and orthodox prayer beads are probably closer to whatever the pagans used, if they did use beads, just on the basis that these traditions are western. rosaries IIRC first started springing up around Britain and france, so it would make sense. half of french catholic traditions arent too different from old romano-gaulish ritual.
my gut feeling says prayer beads arent the sort of thing that berserkers or vitki would use in ritual, germanic religion is much more focused on sacrifice and faith in the gods than it is in ritual or prayer. what prayers we know from the heathen age are pretty different from what christians or hindus would call prayers, they are closer to invocations, consecrations and such rituals. I cant really picture a norsemen standing in front of an idol for an hour, muttering as he used prayer beads. I like prayer beads, but they are the mark of civilized religion, and the heathen faith was much rougher and probably didnt have much use for long meditations such as rosaries or malas provide. if anything maybe the vitkar, but even this is speculation.
doesnt mean you cant use them if you like I guess, but I wouldnt say its an authentic nordic tradition.
Why would Indra be known as Thor? For starters, Indra has a son named Vali and Odin has a son named Vali and its only one vowel change between a similar sounding name between the two.
Further I'd not trust the newer stories out of the India subcontinent circa around 2,500 years ago and newer, especially the whole, everything is Shiva take as it would seem as racially pure Aryans in the priesthood subsided, so did the Aryan stories as well. Instead what's built in place is a kind of monotheism, which has been the historic scourge to our racial preservation, the earliest recorded example being Zoroastrianism. By about 1500 years ago these Dravidian priests write Indra as intoxicated and hedonistic which is drastically different than in Rigveda, placing their Shiva/Devi amalgamation above him as well as killing off Vali, Indra's son. I'd be careful in seeking there, we don't know exactly how corrupting powers conspired to destroy the racial lineage there and its probably no accident most subcontinent Indian Hindus praying to Kali/Devi/Amman refer to her connection with them as a quintessentially racial one such as in Tamil. And I'm not the only one among us who sees the parallels between Kali and what we know of as Hela, the bowl and knife depiction being the most visible similarity.
>>இந்த இனம் உதவும் = inta inam utavum
translates to "help this race" or "this race will help"
The picture for this thread got me wondering, does anyone here do rune readings for money? Or any form of divination if you're into that.
It's crossed my mind many times as something to do for some side money but something about it feels not right too. I like to think of my spiritual beliefs as a personal journey, not something to share with others. Not to hoard it with myself, not like that at all, but to utilize it for monetary reasons just feels a bit shallow. One solution would be to use tarot for money and use runes for people I like.
I havn't checked this board in a few years and wanted to start posting again and I can't read more than 2 posts before some Christian is just shitting up the thread. It's not even a debate they are just being duplicitous faggots, so I want to know what is the legitimate reason they are not banned.
Never post from a fucking phone.
I'm not the board owner but I can see the parallels in Lokasenna. After Loki has been the cause of Balder's death, he approaches Aegir's hall and requests a seat at the table from Odin, using a blood oath the two swore to each other in olden days, so Wotan tells his son, Vidar, to leave his seat for the Wolf's father. Do you remember how Loki was finally made to leave the table?
Putting aside what you might think of the author and his past activities, is pic related worth buying? I really like Colin Cleary's writings and he seems to be influenced in part by Thorsson's work so I thought I might get something out of it. Anyone read it?
there is a pdf floating around somewhere but I couldn't upload it here, likely due to it being 45mb
some of the rituals in it appear very catholic-like (but some believe the catholic rituals were taken from druidic rituals so this can go either way)
this page was interesting to see because someone I've been watching on youtube used this same soul concept
>>Volsupa 18 according to Thorpe
Önd þau ne áttu, óð þau ne höfðu,
Soul they had not, | sense they had not,
lá né læti né litu góða;
Heat nor motion, | nor goodly hue;
önd gaf Óðinn, óð gaf Hœnir,
Soul gave Othin, | sense gave Hönir,
lá gaf Lóðurr ok litu góða.
Heat gave Lothur | and goodly hue.
That's a colorful form of translation for that piece of the Volsupa. "óð" I guess could be a form of "óðr", which is the name written for Frejya's distant husband and has the same connotations of what "wode" meant in Middle-English to what Óðr himself represents in name. "athem" is another Middle-English term which also exists in the Old-English as "æþm", a quick study of the term could produce the idea that its just a stand-in for "Adam" (לאדם) from the jewish Torah, especially as its been used in Christian Church material including Martian Luther's translation of the Christian Bible using a form of the word as "Odem" but the term also exists in Sanskirt as "Ātman" (आत्मन्) meaning breath, soul or self, and as well exists in most Indo-European languages before jewish contact with a similar meaning as far as I'm aware. "Önd" to "Athem", I guess at first it could be a difficult stretch but in Icelandic "önd" and the Faroese "ond" both mean breath or soul but on the mainland in the Swedish and the Norwegian "ond" means angry, hurt, or vicious to even evil or bad. I don't know when the term evolved the "evil" meaning as "ond" can also mean "evil" in Danish which may mean its a new Christian association to imply "Odin gave evil".
I can't find the pdf anywhere, checked the /asatru/ pdf thread and all the heathen links on /pdf/'s Other Library thread and archive.org. If you have it could you upload it to mixtape.moe sometime and drop the link?
>someone I've been watching on youtube used this same soul concept
Who was that?
I remember reading a paper Thorsson wrote under his real name for the Journal of Indo-European studies called "Toward an Archaic Germanic Psychology". He presented all the linguistic evidence he had for his soul concept in that. I have a copy saved somewhere on another HD, I'll upload it when I find it.
I remembered where I got it now:
https://www.othroerirkindred.com/resources/A%20Book%20of%20Troth%20by%20Edred%20Thorsson.pdf
>Who was that?
Black Earth Productions, he is more general occult, but with a focus of Irish systems and Norse after that. I'm skeptical of his big claims, and the high price he charges for services but maybe I'm just being poor. His videos usually make sense to me though so maybe he really is on to something. I found him through Thomas Sheridan, another Irishman and author of The Druid Code and Sorcery: The Invocation of Strangeness, although I never read his books yet but I want to.
How would you justify neopaganism as a coherent religion when there is no central tenets to adhere to and only small specialized cults revolving around certain gods. I would rather people keep their native faiths but most major religions have a structure for a reason.
Not him, but the point I think he's trying to make is other religions have clear texts (bible quaran whatever else), clergy, ect. This is also the reason I'm hesitant.
Seperate question: should someone of anglo-saxon decent try to follow theodism or default to asatru? Reason I ask is I don't want to do a bunch of reasearch on something that isn't meant for me.
>>other religions have clear texts
I'd claim that is arguable, especially in all the Abrahamic derivations. But that should be your exercise if you are moved to that action. And is this your metric for what is out there?
>>This is also the reason I'm hesitant.
Hesitant in regard to what? Do you think Hel isn't real?
>>anglo-saxon decent try to follow theodism or default to asatru
From the writings of the Saxon there is few mentions of the Aesir. My great-grandmother knew Old English and I have many of her books on the topic, in all the books I have, there is one literal mention of an Aesir, Odin. So I would argue from what we have access to, that the Saxon's grasp is degraded. This isn't to say the Saxon works are useless as in many of them if you know what to look for you can see the author regarding an older tradition, such as:
"Wulf and Eadwacer", the wolf is Fenrir and the guardian is Vidar.
"Solomon and Saturn", where its written "Who invented letters? Mercurius the giant", adopting the Latinized name of Odin for Mercury as the Romans did but the rest is just jewish history with some Roman stuff.
"Waldere", while its paper was reused for a prayer book what can be lifted from the original paper is of a sword made by Weland.
"Maxims", one happenstance mention "Frige mec frothum" can easily translate to "Frigga my forward-thumb".
"Nine Herbs Charm", "Wyrm com snican, toslat he man ða genam Woden VIIII wuldortanas" translates to "A dragon came crawling, it killed nothing. For Woden took 9 glory-twigs".
Now an argument could be made that all these coincidences in Saxon are just "secular" Christian forms, like what the jews do with Greek pagan nouns in the Greek New Testament, even the use of "Woden" could be explained away like the ending of Caedmon's Hymn which uses the word "Frea". And even to these Saxon Christian author's they would probably agree as a matter of their faith they weren't writing down heathen concepts even though the ghosts and whispers work their way into their hand.
Which leads me to the conclusion that you must start with the Nordic stories as there exists no other undulated surviving source. For instance I would like to know more about the Frankish understanding in general but all I have is one story of Forseti as Charlemagne knew him from "Tale of Charlemagne and Redbad".
https://forsetiresourcepages.weebly.com/frisian-legend.html
No matter what you do, you should learn the runes and cut them, read them, stain them, prove them, evoke them, score them, send them and use them. To actually learn to know the runes will change how you think.
M'Anglo. Regarding faith, I would say it's not so much an Asatru specific question, and assuming you to some extent feel stuck in atheistic and nihilistic thoughts, would recommend reading traditionalist/perennialist literature generally, to gain an understanding of and appreciation for spirituality broadly. The Sacred and the Profane by Mircea Eliade is a great one. Summoning the Gods by Collin Cleary is one I've heard is a solid read, and more specifically relevant to Asatru, though I've not read it myself since I already feel convinced of the gist of what it wants to put forward. Still, maybe I'll "go back", so to speak, to read it, since it may help to solidify some of my understanding and a lot of people rate it highly and have found it useful.
Regarding Anglo-Saxon Heathenry, I'd maybe suggest checking out Lārhūs Fyrnsida's website and/or facebook page. Overall I would suggest that Anglo-Saxon Heathenry is not fundamentally different to Norse Heathenry, and much of modern ASH is informed by Norse sources. That said, there are some specifically Anglo-Saxon elements that could be held to exist, and Lārhūs Fyrnsida have some great and well-written articles. Did you have any specific questions regarding ASH in contrast with Norse Heathenry?
In Havamal, Odin speaks of 18 symbols he came to know, so 18 different runes then but of the three runnic systems I know of {Elder:24, Younger:16, Saxon:29} none have 18 symbols. Even in all other writing systems from around the world that I look at, I can't find one with 18 symbols (besides Hawaiian, which is based on Rongorongo script from Easter Island but nobody knows what it means and its so free-form that even though "Modern Hawaiian" has 18 sounding characters, in the past there might have been more or whatever).
Anyway, so there is no script anywhere for the last 5,000 years or so which has exactly 18 characters to it, that I know of, please if you find one tell me. So I've been wondering, who, be it Odin himself or someone speaking through Odin or something else entirely what 18 characters could they be talking about?
Now I've been looking in the "Vinca symbols" from around 8,000 years ago, found in Romania to Bulgaria. Modern scholarship denies they were a real language but at least around 5,000 years ago you have all these etchings around that same area in that time frame, making etchings they must some kind of meaning. Now since there are so few examples of these things there really isn't any way of figuring out what they mean or even counting the characters as it seems often times characters are put together to make another character or something like that.
https://omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm
My simple question is, what 18 character system is Odin talking about in Havamal? Folk relating the story about 18 runes at one point must have used 18 symbols or for all time it wouldn't make sense that a people with this story is talking about 18 symbols when they're using more or less 18 symbols.
That is just weird.
If you take 18 as an encoded hexadecimal number, since there are 16 Younger Futhark runes meaning base-16 numbers, and then encode 18 as 0x18 into just a decimal number, you get 24 in base-10, which is the number of Elder Futhark runes.
0x18 = 24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
Well Republics and Democracies are inherently gay but Plato is an intriguing character in this based on what he ultimately says about homosexuals. Early on in his life he denounces the more Northern Hyperboreans (Germanic/Celtic tribes) for despising "homosexuals and philosophy" but in his last known books, "The Laws", he comes to agree with the Hyperboreans. In this Plato is also a perfect account showing that the account by Tacitus, about the Northern Tribes, some centuries later was genuine.
"That was exactly my own meaning when I said I knew of a device for establishing this law of restricting procreative intercourse to its natural function by abstention from congress with our own sex, with its deliberate murder of the race and its wasting of the seed of life on a stony and rocky soil, where it will never take root and bear its natural fruit, and equal abstention from any female field whence you would desire no harvest" Book 8, The Laws by Plato
For the Romans there is an interesting side history between more Monarchists leaders versus Republican/Democrats ones with the enacting of "Lex Scantia" and "Lex Julia de adulteriis coecendi". There is also philosophers like Gaius Musonius Rufus heavily against homosexuality but his school being attacked by the Senate along with laws against homosexuality. It brings up the intriguing question "are Republics/Democracies by nature conducive to unnatural sexual acts?".
"Not the least significant part of the life of luxury and self-indulgence lies also in sexual excess; for example those who lead such a life crave a variety of loves not only lawful but unlawful ones as well, not women alone but also men; sometimes they pursue one love and sometimes another, and not being satisfied with those which are available, pursue those which are rare and inaccessible, and invent shameful intimacies, all of which constitute a grave indictment of manhood. Men who are not wantons or immoral are bound to consider sexual intercourse justified only when it occurs in marriage and is indulged in for the purpose of begetting children, since that is lawful, but unjust and unlawful when it is mere pleasure-seeking, even in marriage." Lecture 12, The Lectures by Gaius Musonius Rufus
By the way Gaius Musonius Rufus is a great philosopher to read in our time, a man against Republics and in favor of Kings near the end of a Republican Political system.
https://sites.google.com/site/thestoiclife/the_teachers/musonius-rufus/lectures
Easy. Just point out:
A. The pederasty done by Catholics, Muslims, Jews. If they try to deflect by saying their books ban it then just point out that in actuality lands like Athens strongly regulated same-sex interactions (namely that you needed a father's permission to see a younger male who wasn't a slave).
B. The Greeks never formally accepted penetrative sex between males (note how most artwork with anal sex has with it women or slaves, not citizens).
C. Men were still required to marry women and provide children and otherwise behave as men.
D. Homosexuality as a distinct identity is a product of the Abrahamic West. Previous/Non-Abrahamic societies had notions of defective behaviors in males.
>Gayreeks really were a thing though
They weren't. Homosexual identity did not come to be until modernity.
I hate to be that guy but why do you choose to practice a artificially reconstructed religion instead of being initiated into a living aryan religion like hinduism or zoroastrianism? Even neoplatonism would be more viable imo, the last flourish of of pagan theosophy embraced by the likes of emperor julian the apostate and pletho contra christianity. Do you simply approach it as a aesthetic or alternative quasi spiritual 'way of life'? That is why people call you larpers.
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The "choose a foreigners belief that doesn’t regard race" probably didn't start as just a tool by the Semites, a tactic like it probably predates the Semites existence in Zoroastrianism, though it is Semites who have gotten the most gains from its utilization. To varying degrees, making belief a choice makes political structure a choice, family roles become a choice and ultimately race and sex can't be seen as anything but a choice. I have seen the reality of fate and lack of choice, given different circumstances I wouldn't be here, but instead remain a Seventh Day Adventist really into “John” and “1 John”, like my father, and the increasing amounts of non-Whites in the congregation, this also wouldn’t bother me then. I wouldn’t even know about the Aesir, in order to denounce them as demons.
It’s telling, that all your examples are close to the equator rather than more North, especially with Hinduism, since only a few centuries ago Hinduism was only for those various mixed races, while originally it had many more ethnic Aryans in it who were slowly wilted out by miscegenation, how I hope that is not our fate.
Ancient “Hinduism” circa 500BC has many similarities to Asatru but as the Dravidian became more of the priest class through miscegenation, a break naturally formed, the Asu Indra, our Aesir Odin becomes a hedonistic drunk and the Asu Vali, Aesir Odin’s son Aesir Vali by the same name is killed which makes no sense in Asatru because Vali is alive during Ragnarok. After all these changes by primarily racial Dravidians around the same time you see the rise of Shaktism, Vaishnavism, or Krishnaism. So, no, Hinduism in a way is antithetical to Asatru, yet both coming from the same people and forces, just like the ancient Persian belief or that of ancient Afghanistan but little exists of their true pre-Islamic belief and I'm not talking about the Zoroastrians, as pawns, who cooperated with the Muslims in extinguishing the old faith from Persia, and It’s no coincidence both the Zoroastrians and Muslims were funded by jewish ‘’’Exilarchs ‘’’ in Babylon. It’s a great big battle and we are losing.
Literally everything you worship in your Diet Synagogue is made up. All the ceremonies, all the electric fag music, all the bells and smells, and the 15 minute pep-talk about how some Jew you never met and never preached to Gentiles is really your good buddy, all of it is made up. Some asshole, somewhere, thought it up. Your LARP is that you play along and pretend it was always that way. This is incorrect. 1950 years ago Cuckstians were meeting in caves. Why aren't you in a cave right now, LARPer?
Religious stratification has been an ongoing reality for tens of thousands of years. If it hadn't, we'd still be finger-painting elk on stone walls and you wouldn't be worshiping a Jew. New religions crop up, old religions die off. This is a continuous process and will forever happen. Whether you like it or not, reconstructed or not, it is a legitimate religion. More so than any collection of conflicting books written by Jews about another Jew.
This is interesting because I've heard that the word amen come from Amun, and then there is the god Atum that is the "God" of the gods, a creator. Atmen meaning breathe also ties in as the breath/voice of God created the universe. There could be aspects of Egyptian mythology that helps fulfill an understanding of other Indo-European mythologies.
Unrelated but I have a question as you're German. Are you familiar with Freinacht? My neighbor once told me about a small village-wide celebration in Bavaria he went to back in 70s or so, around spring/summer, that I'm assuming was Freinacht or Walspurgisnacht. He said that there was some red mustard on the table that people weren't supposed to touch as it was as an offering to the gods or something local. His story has caused me to search for this online more than once but I cannot find any information about this. Do you have any good sources for small traditions held in Germany? Or the use of traditional food offerings in Germany?
The Sagas and some small miscellaneous texts. There are too many for me to want to list but they are short enough for you to read through them all.
Penguin Classics has published many in English if you want paperback, which you can buy for very cheap, the expense is only if buying the whole collection which is probably around $150 since there are so many books. But I recommend Jackson Crawford's translations, he also has an amazing YouTube channel.
Wiki has listed the material quite finely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lsung_Cycle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_saga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrfing_Cycle
Outside of the old primary sources, Hilda Roderick Ellis Davidson is usually considered a good entry-level author. There have been many authors since her time that are said to be great but I haven't got around to reading them, such as Neil Price, Rudolf Simek, and Christopher Abram. Stephen Flowers (aka Edred Thorsson) has some essential books regarding rune magic if you're wanting to get into a magical path. He also has a translation of The Galdrabók.
Is English your only language? I've read that there are better books in other languages but I'm monolingual.
Thanks for the answer.
>Is English your only language?
No, I speak Dutch as well which is the language I read the Edda in. Although I actually prefer the English transalation since the only proper Dutch transalation is from the 30s and therefore feels a bit dated in terms of the language being used.
I consider him legit but not so much for his books in some ways. Reviews have noted how he will mix history with his own creations and not differentiate for the reader, while the historical method for casting runes really wasn't recorded so I don't know if you're going to find much about that (look into the Irish ogham divination). I like his books but I think of them as being more modern than historical.
I haven't read enough books on them to properly answer your question. Maybe Rudiments of Runelore by Stephen Pollington or Runes: An Introduction by Ralph Warren Victor Elliott will interest you? Raymond Ian Page might be an author you would want to start with.
Thanks for the help, anon. I never thought of looking into Irish divination, but I think I will, especially as I have significant Irish ancestry, anyway.
I'll also be looking into those book recommendations; I was worried I'd never find a good source for Anglo-Saxon runology, so Page seems like a perfect fit.
There are a lot of good books out there on Hinduism in general, but after taking the route of looking into academic works before reading the actual texts, I'd suggest getting into authentic Hindu texts as soon as possible. Not that I'd recommend neglecting the more general overviews, of course. Anyways for more general books:
>Sanatana Dharma: The Eternal Natural Way by Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya (basically a one-stop-shop for Yoga, Vedanta, meditation and Hinduism)
>Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines by René Guénon
>An Introduction to Hinduism by Gavin Flood (really dry academic snooze fest)
Actual texts:
>Bhagavad-Gita (technically part of the Mahabharata is essentially it's own stand-alone work at this point due to how famous it is.
I recommend the "As Is It" version but some people hate it because of ISKCON. Comes with extensive commentary for nearly every verse
>Upanishads
>Ramayana (Sanskrit epic)
>Mahabharata (Sanskrit epic)
Also I'd recommend that you check out the YouTube channel DharmaNation. Someone on /pol/ the other day dubbed him the '/pol/ guru' and that's the perfect moniker for him. He's been on Red Ice, talked with Survive the Jive and Esoteric Hitlerist Discord groups before, he's pretty great:
https://www.youtube.com/user/DharmaNation/videos
Happy reading
"Hinduism" is a reminder of what happens if we lose to the other races. Once upon a time, in the time of the RigVeda for instance, many similarities can be found with that of the Aesir but at a certain point, once the Aryan lost control the lower caste took over and started their corruption. This is similar to how the non-Whites within Western countries use "welfare systems" to gain a living when originally the system was never for their race. Its no coincidence the new, more Dravidian native powers began to be consulted much more, or only, than the powers in the RigVeda. Though you might find invocations, to keep ties to the past but only for that, a verse here or there saying something like "I know you are like that which is described in the Vedas" or whatever.
I don't dismiss the Bhagavad-Gita and other more newer works after the Aryan lost full control immediately out of hand because I do know there was racial conflict happening then which the Aryan evidently lost. But I do know that first "Hinduism" as it is now, is a a potent poison to the Aryan race and secondly that "Hindu Texts" as translated for Western audiences specially invoke Abrahamic imagery to make themselves palatable for Christian readers. Other Asian folk beliefs have a similar problem. Such as how the "Mandate of Heaven" is translated as it was. It was translated in this way precisely to invoke Old-Testament Abrahamic imagery for a Protestant Christian audience. The translation would mean something different to a reader raised in the Asatru sense and further mean something else to a native speaker, who would know more about the phrases nuances and usages. That's the problem I see with the holistic Western “Hindu”.
I know of that channel as well as this one https://www.youtube.com/DharmaSpeaks but no I see neither having much to do with Asatru as much as an all-White Protestant Congregation has to do with Asatru. That being, an occasional racial memory or rhetorical device springs forth from the orator, conversely to how the jewish writers of the New Testament use the word "ουρανος" for "heavens" when a Greek Pagan would recognize that word to mean the titan Uranus. The jews haven't been the only ones to misrepresent language, I see this as well when I scour Buddhism or the more monotheistic Hindu sects.
>But I do know that first "Hinduism" as it is now, is a a potent poison to the Aryan race and secondly that "Hindu Texts" as translated for Western audiences specially invoke Abrahamic imagery to make themselves palatable for Christian readers.
Do you have any examples? From everything I’ve read, I’ve always thought that the Abrahamic conception of God was very different from God as He describes Himself in the Bhagavad Gita or similar texts. You’re right that you have to be super careful with anything modern, as it has been corrupted through mass-miscegenation and the loss of racial purity among the originally white ruling castes
>> Do you have any examples?
Your post itself is an example. When you say “God” on /asatru/ what do you actually mean? Are you invoking Freyja’s husband as described in the Historia Langobardorum? I doubt it. Instead you probably mean in relation to Theus (New-Testament) or YHWY (Old-Testament).
http://germanicmythology.com/works/HistoriaLangobardum.html
So my guess is that you are relating to Krishna who is a form of Vishnu. Well, Vishnu in the RigVeda as far as I can see is another of the Asuras like Agni or Indra, this understanding goes right along with the Aesir in Asatru. It is only in the newer works circa 2500 years ago, or so, that this “supreme deity” idea comes out, which is also the time there is racial adversity against ethnic-Aryans in those lands. Probably not a coincidence the start of Buddhism happens then too.
These newer Indian works also do something which breaks them from the tradition of the RigVeda by listing the Asuras as enemies of the Devas. These “Devas” just so happen to have the ethnicity of those who now live in the lands that follow Hinduism. Of course as I said before the line like “you are as what is described in the Vedas" will be used to show oldness but structurally much has changed.
There is actually some evidence in the Rig Veda – which is of course one of the oldest Indo-European texts in existence – for Brahman / the Absolute, specifically verses 1.164.46:
>They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutman.
>To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan.
Verse 46 resolves many apparent contradictory verses in the Rig Veda, such as when different gods are claimed to be the supreme god, or where different gods share the same attributes. It shows that when the gods are being discussed, it is really a roundabout way of referring to the One – Brahman, or the Absolute. The composers of these hymns were aware of the later concept of Brahman. This knowledge wasn't originally meant for the public at large – it was esoteric knowledge only fit for the Aryan elite of Vedic society. The Rig Veda is a bunch of hymns, it's a possible that its information was conveyed in a more exoteric faction. iirc Guido von List talked about something similar among the ancient Germans, with there being an exoteric form (Wotanism) with all forms of popular myths and tales and an esoteric form (Armanism) known only among the Armanenschaft's priest-kings.
Also, it's important to remember that events surrounding the Bhagavad-Gita and Mahabharata actually happened ~5,000 years ago, just as people like Arjuna are real historical personages. It was the first world war, taking place right in the center of the Aryan world. It was there that Krishna sung the Gita
sorry for the low effort post, its my first time ever on this site. Are there any active online asatru/pagan communities i can join such as a discord? Obviously the true traditional kind, not the globo-homo wicca kind. I want to cultivate some more structure in my life and connect with my ancestors. I dont watch varg, but he seems to be exactly the kind of thing im looking for. Unfortunately he was purged as everyone knows. Any reply is much appreciated
I cannot vouch for any Discord or Youtuber, that is not to say those there are wrong but I do not know them. Further the site, Discord, itself has had a history of being used by those who'd call themselves our enemies, so be careful there.
Beyond just socializing and networking you should look into the stories proper and know the runes. There's always something you could be doing.
i know discord should be avoided, ive been in political discord groups that have been compromised. I figure it would be fine if i stick to european faith and dont get too specific about politics, but thats assuming there even is a community there. Thanks for the recommendations friend
Let’s see here…
>Directed by (((Ari Aster)))
http://archive.fo/78lRP
>Distributed by A24
Okay, who runs this company…
(((David Fenkel))), (((Daniel Katz))) and John Hodges (gentile?)
Even without this, it’s a Hollyjew movie, it’s anti-pagan propaganda. They’ll say anything to keep their brainless consumers on the Abrahamic plantation
Thoughts on vegetarianism and pescetarianism? I know that they aren't historically-accurate in terms of the Germanic diet, but what of the general Heathen concern for nature and man's place within it? Can one be Heathen and still avoid meat?
There is a lot wrong information spread by (((veganism))) about meat and nature, which is more anti-nature and anti-west than anything. But moderation should be sought to balance with nature since South Americans and Africans do chop down too much woodland for ranches. Ranches are still better than city construction as they provide essential grassland to support the ecosystem, or are built in areas where the land is too dry and rocky to use for anything else. Avoiding meat is a Christian mentality to remove oneself from nature, as evidenced by the Christian monastic practice of avoiding blood. From a health perspective, I would never suggest removing red meat, but if you eat fish you might be fine. I have been thinking about making a thread before about the vegan movement and about diet and nature. On the other hand, your diet is not a requirement as heathenism doesn't really have rules, but if I had to choose between yes or no I would say avoiding meat is not heathen. Personally though, just eat whatever you're in the mood for, listen to your body.
The other night, I was watching lightening in the night sky when going to the store, and there was garbage out at midnight hoisting up a dumpster in the darkness. All of the small orange lights across the truck made it look like some mystical beast. The star Arcturus was flickering bright like fire. All of these things made me think of Thor.
Last night, I had a dream that I was trying to make love to a white goat with green eyes and he had red horns. Now you respond to him about Thor and goats. Interpret my dream.
One of the Druids posited that the Honkler meme could be Odinic in nature because of Odin’s ties to the harlequin and having a trickster aspect. Here was my revelation I thought you lads should see.
>As for Honkler being Odinic in nature. Firstly as an accelerationist, Honkler is mentally and spiritually prepared for Ragnarok. His rainbow wig is reminiscent of both a divine halo and the Bifrost Bridge. The frog like the Bifrost is a bridge between two realms, earthen and aquatic, Asgard and Midgard. Honkler alerts his devotees of the signs of Ragnarok by honking his horn. In Norse myth it is Heimdallr not Odin, who guards the Bifrost and honks his Gjallarhorn at the portents of clown world.
>Heimdallr is attested as possessing foreknowledge, keen eyesight and hearing, and keeps watch for invaders and the onset of Ragnarök while drinking fine mead in his dwelling
>/comfy/
>anti-invaders
>Heimdallr is said to be the originator of social classes among humanity and once regained Freyja's treasured possession Brísingamen while doing battle in the shape of a seal with Loki.
Seals are tragically, often used in circuses with clown noses honking horns. Heimdallr and Honkler even alliterate tbh.
If you interpret ones dreams then you have power over them. Keep that in mind.
The Jester has always been associated with Loki, who was the only one to get Skadi to laugh. Loki is freed and comes back during Ragnarök and it is a strange coincidence how the Medieval Totentanz both states the end of Hierarchy and laughs about it. And if "Gott" is taken to be "Freyja's husband, the devil Godan the Lombards praised", as described by the 8th century monk Paul the Deacon then it readily falls out what the performance is trying to tell. Especially since the Totentanz doesn't speak of belief but only of action before all, "These deeds guarantee thy meed".
Question to the Board Owner: may I create a post advertising a board of mine, centered around Polish National Radicalism, but also encompassing paganism? I'd like to expand its already booming population with Polish anons browsing here.
Alfheim is a possibility!
Rhyming Thomas in the early 1200s said he met the Queen of Elves and then predicted and was right on how he said the Grandson of William the Lion would die and how this would cause a Civil War in Scotland which would ultimately lead to the ascension of Robert Bruce, King of Scots.
That is really fascinating. I never heard that story before but Thomas the Rhymer sounds like a familiar name, but I've heard of Tristan. This picture I found is also something because I had a dream last week of meeting a really cute girl in a green dress, more like Swiss in style, and she had white hair and freckles, but the strange thing was this long arm hair she had. It resembled white fur and it was longest near the wrist where it flared out, and then tapered up to the elbow. She reminded me more of a cat than an elf.
The Myths are not descriptive, so the proper interpretation is a metaphysical one beyond existential feelings. But with that said, yes, the gods exist and influence through their physical incarnations and expressions (that is, the physical world and all within). However, they are not considered as literal anthropomorphic beings like how Christians view God, and trying to bring the Gods down to such a level would be idiotic. The Myths are told the way they are as expressions for us to better understand that which supersedes the Body, and they can only do that via symbolism related to the world we understand (see and feel). So no, the stories are not to be taken literally, not by the elite. Slaves and related lower classes (those ruled only be The Body) may take the myths literally though, and follow the examples of the gods as historical events to imitate in effort to participate in something grander than themselves (something all Traditionalists also strive to do). And most did that by just listening and following what the elite said because they knew the elite knew much more than them. So in that sense some pagans (don't use the word heathen it's dumb to do so) did indeed believe the Myths literally and therefor perceived the Gods through that lense. However, free thinking people. However, any free man, people who thought and created by themselves, they didn't take the myths as such. They undrestood that there was much more to the stories than that, that the nature is not by itself the Gods, but that they worked through nature (and therefore narture was sacred as the Bodies of Gods and Spirits). But, they couldn't understand the myths on a very deep level, and they didn't even know all the stories (mostly local folklore). And they knew that, so they followed wise elites (Jarlar, Goðar) and learned from them. Then there were the elites themselves, who truly understood the symbolism behind the ceremonies and Traditions. And they understood them intrinsically, remembered all the myths by memory, and could therefore lead society according to the Higher Principles and could see existence in ways normal men could not.
In short, slaves took the Myths literally, free men believed in the Traditions but understood that the stories are expressions of something Higher, and the elites understood the Myths fully and could see more than normal people could and could lead accordingly.
Today, the situation is much more complicated. Most people who say they are pagans aren't actually pagan and are just there for the aesthetics and the vague sense of belonging to something yet not understanding it at all (less than past slaves). So, they all view the Traditions through a modern lense and cherrypick what they like, either through a previously Christian lense (so still behaving exactly like they did while Christian) or an atheist lense (so it's just larp). Eventually those two types, even though though they take different paths, come to the same conclusion of literally worshipping The Body (nature and all within). It's similar to how slaves did it,but actually worse since at least slaves knew they were slaves and didn't have a say in religious Traditions. Then, there are the few who actually somewhat understand the myths, and try to be as authentic to Traditions and their values as possible and take their values as Truth, something to strive towards. However, all of them lack proper spiritual leaders and elites. Extremely few can be considered in the elite category, if anyone can, for the requirements are way too high.
TL;DR Já, ek es trúr.