>>19697

Evening All - Welcome to the class

Good to see you all and thanks for coming to class.

Anyone here to learn to bake tonight?

>>19697

Good evening baker, thanks for doing all the notes from last week (will check em out and feedback - lookin' good), for the awesome dough and for making the thread. FOOD?! Can't wait to see whatcha got.

Thanks for organizing the class schedule, I took some time off so didn't catch you for a plan. Sounds perfect. TY

Big thanks to nb as well.

>>19729

Now you're talkin. That's the fried fish you get every week for the g's? Man I wish I was at your place rn.

>>19730

Hey kb, how's tricks?

>>19732

They all good great. Nicely written (supportive), and non demanding. Rules of thumb. Sure they'll help new bakers a lot. Great work.

>>19739

Yes I saw up top. Great idea, look forward to it.

Big thanks to nb.

>>19738

Absolutely. Gotta look after ourselves not to burn out. Time off is great. It's good you're gonna take some. A few days even does the world of good, for the head and the rl job list at the same time.

>>19743

No worries… kek… anons have called may bakers nb. Nice n under the radar, I like it. Confusion can be good when you're a shill target.

>>19736

Anyone here to learn to bake tonight?

>>19756

Was the board down for a while? Just saw all the extra loaves and thought something must have been up.

>>19759

Hey bf, good to see you again. Kudos on your baking endeavors.

For the Q posts, here are some slides for you. Someone will probably note them in the thread and you can copy paste them into the top. The latest ones go at the top.

Hang on I'll get those slides for you and answer the rest.

>>19759

What to do when Q posts

Quick video and slide - more slides to come.

>>19759

>>19767

What to do when Q posts

More visuals

>>19775

Geeze, that's a long time

>>19749

Anyone have any questions about baking?

Any one lurkin' have any q's?

Happy to help ya, ask away.

>>19785

Bro, that's amazing he's still up for it. What a hero. Man… respect… and to you for doing it. I remember one time you said to me 'love em while you got em', and it's something I remember daily when with mine. That's gonna be a special one. I would say don't take the laptop and spend every moment you can enjoying with them. We'll all be here when you get back and you'll be all fresh. Anons always step up.

>>19784

Those look tasty.

>>19783

Looks perfect from here. Nice job.

Nothing I can suggest that would improve it.

If being picky I'd say to condense some of the longer headlines/descriptions. Just makes it look tidier.. but that's just a tiny thing.

Kudos

>>19794

Too late.

>>19795

Heyyy wnb, welcome.

>>19797

Did you see these? Sure you did, but here goes again for the hellofit

>>19797

Been saving this one for the right occasion, but here goes I'll share it with yas. Sharin' is carin'.

Click it. It's muh favorite meme rn.

>>19804

Spock, Worhol, chan, psychedelia in one epic meme.

Waz not to love.

>>19813

You're quite the chef.

Nom

>>19805

Hats off to you all. Take plenty pics, enjoy plenty of fried fish n ice cream, and enjoy every second of life together.

>>19816

Hey baker, good to see ya always

>>19838

Top of the evening to you Rusty

>>19839

Hey gb

>>19844

Evenin' baker, thanks for doing this presentation. Looking forward to it.

>>19849

Truth. We be blessed blessed.

5D realiTy.

>>19861

No idea. It's great.

>>19874

>>19885

Appreciate that

>>19875

>>19893

Take your time… no rush.

It's tricky teaching live.

>>19874

Will add in between - how did they do this?

BO and BVs can see our post history, as each post we make through the same IP address is turned into a unique 'hash' - a numbers n letters sequence that they can see, along with our past posts.

It isn't 100% failsafe, as anons can be using the same VPN and therefore the same IP addy of that connection.

Anons also change IP's legitimately (on mobile connections, travelling, reset routers), so if you change IPs the hash history is gone on the chan.

But can confirm - a hash check was used by 8bit when we came to the QR board, after a while, to verify bakers when the kitchen was experiencing shill bakes. Bakers could still be anon.

>>19903

That would be true. Always good OPSEC to change IP's and use a VPN, so that's always changing.

What was freaky sometimes with 8bit and the BVs at the time (LEAF inc.) was that they sometimes posted a cap in the general, of all of someone's posts (or posts from the same IP). It made everyone wary. It was shills of course but still…

I change IPs all the time b/c travel a lot and for OPSEC, that's why I was glad I had my pastebin, which before had been only for personal archinve purposes. B/c I'd no hash history and one time was refused the bake so verified it was me through the pb.

>>19904

Yep, remember that scenario.

>>19903

Will add, that Idk what you mean by shill bakers. No bakers I'm aware of are BVs, and bakers can't see anyone's hash / post history.

>>19920

They did that in that situation when they could be around to keep an eye.

>>19914

>Summary: the right thing to do when evaluating a verification is to completely ignore the content of the pastebin itself, and look at the username, the past history of that username, and the timestamp of the pastebin in relationship to the post offering a handoff.

Excellent. Agree.

Only thing I'd like to add is that the content can make it easy for a baker to quickly scan over and say yes, that's what I just posted a minute ago.

That can't be duplicated (unless the exact same text has been posted before - but if it includes times and reply posts - impossible).

Example - This has to be this baker, which anyone can see w/o looking at the timestamps.

No-one else but this baker could post this bin.

https://pastebin.com/gQTbxy9P

>>19934

Excellent.

Another example of an incorrect/invalid verification using pastebin

https://pastebin.com/u/NIghtBaker

(Unless I wanted to show someone I'd been trying unsuccessfully to verify) - I'm posting this asking that baker to check my previous bins to see that they verify - it couldn't be anyone else.

But a shill could post any of our pbs.

>>19953

> the main thing we should be looking for is a fresh paste

Right on

>>19960

Definitely. That's the crux.

>>19967

Agree 100%.

It's a batton-hatches short-term-thing is verification.

>>19974

Fug I've died

>>19946

G'nite gb

>>19981

Yeah but a cap that shows you've baked.

Like a dough post cap or fresh bread one, or one of the sections with a you on it.

>>19989

I was saying g'night to gb.

Still here.

>>19988

I don't think we should be gatkeeping or being a closed group any more than necessary.

A dough can always be fixed, but creating a closed group causes all sorts of other issues imho.

I'm not going to be asking for verification from now on, for example. I think it's gone far enough and needs to be clawed back to how we were - organic.

>>19981

>>19995

Oh no, sorry. Just saw the highlighted post. My mistake.

Yes, like that.

Apologies.

>>20012

I think that's the way to go.

We gotta let it go, let what will be will be.

Organic, not closed.

>>20012

I've been thinking a lot about this and what's happened lately.

Here's what I'm going to do personally, from now on.

• Stop verifying myself when offering to bake through my pb. I'll show baker who it is as I did before, without namefagging, tripfagging or pb. If baker doesn't want to handoff then fine. I'll chill, take the time off and/or pick up any bread when it's ghosted.

• Stop asking the baker I'm handing off to for verification. If I'm unsure I'll stick around for their first bake, as before

• Continue to backup new bakers and new bakers and stick up for them when/if they're being attacked

• Fix the dough when I see it needs it

• Continue to tend to the dough as I've always done

>>20026

Great info you're layin' down here, baker.

>>20034

Nice.

And yeah, to have full coverage takes responsibility away from anons.

When there's continuous coverage by the same people, anons and other bakers don't get a chance to step in, and no-one sees there's a need for more help. This is our third year. Someone has ALWAYS stepped up.

>>20042

Absoulutely. I said I was gonna start verifying.

Wish in hidsight I hadn't, but hey, we all learn and we've all learned. It's all good.

Now I hope for back to organic. I don't like what I've seen lately.

>>20047

Invaluable presentation there baker.

To see each method explained and set out as you did I'm sure will help us all and the bakery run a lot more smoother.

So many mix-ups have been caused through bakers not knowing what to check for, or knowing how verification works, so I hope it all gets better after your presentation.

Thanks a lot. Appreciate your time.

>>20053

Idk anon. A baker's mindset is naturally 'warrior' imo, and from what I've seen.

If someone's willing to put themselves into the arena like that, they're no pushovers. kek.

What I don't get is when bakers give new or anon bakers shit and get it back, then the bakers say they've a bad attitude.

Fuck, we all have attitude, it's the reason we're here, as front-line fighters.

Don't give it and then cry when you get it back.

>>20058

Just checked your paste, bf.

It looks perfect from here, no points to bring up.

You know, why not make a thread with it here on /comms/, and you can see what it looks like when baked. I've done that often and it really helps, as you can't change it once it's baked proper. It helps you see any little things you could improve on.

You know the comms catalog to bake in?

Here's the addy if not. You can bake any amount of threads you like in it (thanks to the BO).

Ref

>https://www2.qanonbin.com/paste

/5eWNZglQz

Comms catalog:

https://8kun.top/comms/catalog.html

>>20063

I don't agree with that either and it makes me sad that new bakers are getting treated as they are lately.

Fuck, I don't know why you've stuck it out given how you've been harassed and attacked. (if this is you).

The handoff procedures, they're on a call and response, like military comms -

• Baker requests handoff

• New baker offers (doesn't confirm - that's up to the baker)

• Baker confirms or not

• New baker confirms they have it

So 4 comms, to save any confusion.

If any one is missed it's not a handoff.

It's good that bakers told you this rather than ignored you. I'm advocating for the harrassment of new bakers to stop btw.

>>20066

Excellent presentation.

Thank you.

>>20067

Challenging fair enough… I'd rather see support.

There are ways to give feedback, and lately I've been seeing bakers demanding that other bakers take their advice.

I say let new bakers learn from their mistakes without bakers interfering and being critical.

How does a baby learn to walk? By an adult shouting at them when they don't get it right first time?

By ganging up, shouting at them, demanding they do it right and criticizing them?

We all remember what it was like starting to bake. Not easy, right?

So who are we to make it MUCH worse by not supporting and demanding they do it 'properly' or not at all?

Who are we to give shit to other bakers and not expect it back from them? Then it's said they have an attitude problem?

I think there are much better ways to support.

>>20069

I hear ya kb, and respect your own choices.

Don't respect the namefagging / tripfagging on an anonymous chan board, but that's your choice.

I'm the same, I keep my own counsel, my own archive as you are doing. I did it so I, like you're doing, could carry on baking here.

I respect and admire your use of the tools in such an ingenious way.

>>20073

>doc

top kek bro!

>>20074

Damn right bro. Back to ninjas, red waves, fucking funny memes to brighten our days and solid our relationships, make us feel good. To hell with this jail we put ourselves in (I take responsibility). So whatcha sayyo

>>20076

>Better for them to own it and have anons instruct them until they either hand off or ghost, like in the old days

YES

>>20076

What i'm pointing to is theres a huge difference between ganging up and attacking a baker, than leaving it to one to 'advise'.

No legit warrior's gonna take shit in their bake from anyone, no matter who they are. And so it should be.

When a baker's bakin' they're bakin', and help is help, with notes, with Q posts, with gentle coaxing, but demanding and harassing? no fucking way.

>>20084

Bring it on yo

>>20085

I've seen everything that's been happening with f88, and have seen how you've been trying to help him but have you tried positive reinforecement rather than demands?

I don't think it's cool how you've been treating him. At all.

Going anon now, should have done it earlier as this convo's not in teaching capacity.

>>20091

Now we talkin fo relz bro.

Blessed by infinite dubs.

o7

>>20093

Agree totally. What I've seen is baker going in fine but getting attacked, and so goes on the attack in return. Naturally.

>>20095

So leave him be. He's the baker.

And I have been around at night. I know what's been going on. I wouldn't be saying otherwise.

Not only in the nightshift, in the other shifts as well.

>>20097

Yeah after anons attacked you for

• namefagging

• calling rank

• demanding baker change something back

Bro, you gotta calm it. Just sayin.

>>20097

And he didn't make a mistake.

He saw the tor shill's post in the middle of his bake and he thought he'd been given a dodgy dough. No wonder the way the bakers have been treating him.

He realized and changed the dough to include Q posts, which is his perrogative. He's the baker. He's not on comms to know what was discussed and anons wanted them back.

For you to interfere, especially coming in and namefagging like you're an authority, demanding, didn't help imo.

>>20101

>the respect is mutual, thanks for the kind words. Thanks, and back atcha.

Understand. On the other hand, how did we all learn? By cleaning up our own shit, right?

>>20103

Leave it. Say nothing.

If it's a shit show someone will change it back.

It's the baker's bread.

>>20104

Yes I saw that interaction and saw that you were getting no-where fast.

I think it's because you were demanding.

No anon would take a paste from another anon. Anons are sharp. Idk why you thought he'd take a paste from anyone and you just kept on getting angrier and more demanding.

That doesn't get you your own way.

It's no way to be. You don't have authority to demand anything from anyone (saying this as your friend).

The baker is baking and who knows who's trying to pass him a paste. We saw what happened lately with shills passing pastes.

In the end I think we can leave bakers to bake without interfering, demanding, pulling rank, pulling namefag, pulling harrassment, pulling ganging up…

Just leave them to bake.

>>20109

>>20104

And I saw you making a whole load of posts about the stuff you'd fixed / cleaned up.

Man… if I wrote every day about the stuff I fix / clean up I'd never have time to bake.

Bakers just do it / clean up / fix and no worries. But you told every shift which caused drama and distrust of that baker who imo was doing a fine job as a rookie baker.

I don't know why you feel the need to tell every shift what you've done to clean out the bread / shills / whatever

>>20113

>>20110

Agree.

WORD.

Anons will sort it out / decide.

To shield them from what's going on is wrong.

Let anons have control of their bread.

They don't take shit.

Leaves us to relax.

Anons will make the decisions.

No need to gatekeep.

>>20111

The thing was, baker looked at his kooked bread and saw the TOR post in the middle of it, as second post.

He thought someone had given him a bad dough, not realizing that it was TOR shill's post. Baker thought he'd baked it.

AND SO, he reverted the dough thinking he was doing right.

No ill-shill-stuff…

But then you came and attacked him, and said he had to revert it and was doing it wrong.

Dude was doing his best.

>>20114

I meant calm it with the attacks on new / old bakers.

>>20119

How about just relaxing and fixing it when you get baking?

Really… can someone not get to the notes w/o that special link?

It's really not important if it's wrong sometimes imho.

Likewise if someone doesn't handoff in bold or red text. I saw you attacking a baker for not doing that also.

As such, recommending that you chill out.

Still love you no homo.

>>20120

Did you learn from your mistakes anon?

Or learn when someone attacked you?

>>20120

Again, there's a way to say things.

In a non-combatative manner.

>>20125

Okay, IF you don't have a negative attitude towards the new baker, why post in every shift what he'd fucked up on (rookie mistakes but you made it sound like on purpose - it wasn't)

And, why talk and gossip / laugh about him to others in /comms meta/?

Bro, really.

>>20126

Can we blame him?

He's been wanting to bake for WEEKS.

He's been asking for a handoff for WEEKS.

Bakers have been ignoring him as he's been offering to take the handoff with the baker's dough link. No one told him otherwise, just assumed he was a shill.

Dude's a warrior to have kept going. We gotta respect that. He's bakin' good, albeit some rookie mistakes.

It's a sad day for us that we've not been supporting him imo.

No wonder he's giving shit back. He's taken enough, and that's from our own, not the shills.

>>20130

You do what you do, but i'll be there supporting any attacks on new or OG bakers.

I think your OCD is limiting the organic and hivemind nature of the chan, personally, but you do you.

>>20130

So teach, rather than demand.

You might save time.

>>20134

My greivance is how new baker's are being treated.

Why TF have we spent what, 23 weeks now and tons of energy and time giving these classes, to see when a new baker steps up, or new baker(s), them being ignored, told to FO, or harassed / attacked?

I''m not gonna sit and say nothin.

Hell, it's so bad around here ;ately I've been refused 3 hadnoffs WHILE SHOWING MY PASTE. From my team mates.

What chance does a new baker have, and what incentive does that give any anons who are thinking they might learn to bake when seeing that typa shit going down every day?

>>20137

THIS

Why spend our time here teaching new bakers when we're gonna tell them to FO when they ask for a handoff?

I'm feeling like a fraud. On one hand advertising for new bakers and offering a class where we SAY WE WILL ALL SUPPORT YOU, and then irl on the general we're telling them to FO? Man…

>>20138

I love you bro, I'm just sayin' (advice to a dear friend), I think you should stop namefagging, butt out other baker's bakes, stop feeling solely responsible for a whole op, stop correcting others mistakes (just correct them yourself), stop harassing other bakers, stop ganging up on bakers with others and generally stop being so OCD.

Please take this in the friendliest way.

>>20140

Thanks kb.

Yeah I think we've just all gotta let it go.

Let it be.

We can't control this single handedly.

We are a hive. We have to let the hive be, to expand, to evolve, w/o attempting to control it.

That's what I'm thinking anyway, after learning through my own mistakes. Not perfect here by any way, but aiming to be best, as we all are.

>>20141

You're right, i made a mistake the first time, pasting docs paste instead of my own. Still, after that I pasted approx. 10 legit verification pastes which were ignored and I was harrased for being a shill.

>>20146

Well I saw you trying to tell the new baker what the link was for the notable bun.Then saw the rest. Then saw when you told the morning shift that he'd 'fucked up', then saw when you told the afternoon shift that he'd 'fucked up' and was 'keeping an eye', then saw when you told the evening shift the same.

>>20146

>>20149

Rather than create unecessary drama and division, I'd just have corrected it, said nothing, understanding that the baker probably learned from you telling him, and moved on. I wouldn't have spread it throughout all the shifts.

>>20143

No. No one needs to 'vet' the bakers.

No one needs the BO/BVs to do so either.

Let it be.

>>20143

Why is it not a 'sad day' when we've been spending all our time here to help new bakers and they're being told to FO when offering a handoff?

This has nothing to do with 'vetting' (which should never be happening imo).

Vetting? This is an anon board. Anons will handle any 'vetting', and certainly not let a cabal of bakers do it for them.

>>20155

Not expecting you to be pluss'd or non pluss'd bro. Just telling you to back off.

G'night all.