>>583589

I think day hikers who think they have everything figured out for a long term survival situation are the most retarded ones. People who go hiking for fun and camping a few days think that their short term, more short term survival experience, under modern controlled short term conditions, is the best way for every scenario.

In a long term disaster, the smarmy ass day hikers and the kids running around with their light weight survival gear will be in a terrible spot. They are only prepared to survive for a short time WITH THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF REACHING STEADY AND STABLE CIVILIZATION ONCE AGAIN and not survive in a long term temporary camp style situation they might end up in during a long term major crisis.

During the so called "SHTF" ( I hate that term) its more likely you will see people being displaced and many large areas in turmoil, which means you aren't just going to be hiking through the tame wilderness for a week back to stable safety, your concern ins't having a light backpack for your fun ol journey, you might end up in a camp for displaced people for a long time, meaning your heavy weight, and heavy duty, gear is far more important than keeping a few nice little convenient light weight, and light duty items.

The man who takes a full size wood splitter, full size cast iron dutch oven, full size tent, heavy duty cot, heavy wool blankets, big boi sleeping bag, full size EVERYTHING will be in a great situation to survive and thrive in a long term temporary camp or settlement than Johnny "Fancypants" Backpacker with his light duty garbage that's only meant for his fun excursions. His light duty aluminum cookwear, his light tools, his LACK of tools, all to save weight while he's jerking off in the bush on his weekends, aren't the best, and often times won't hold up, against long term survival use if the situation means others can't help him survive once he finds a place to settle/camp/stay.

The backpacker will mock the cheap Lodge cast iron pan for being "outdated" and "heavy' and stupid, till the backpacker's expensive lightweight spaceage shit isn't the best to live off of in a refugee settlement. Next thing you know authorities and others can't equip you with better more permanent survival equipment.

The minimal backpacker might die, or at best suffer in displacement that lasts more than a week, or may last months or a year. Once he realizes this isn't his usual fit backpacking trip, it may dawn on him the shortages, the weaknesses of his planning and strategy. He prepared for an easy week of hiking, and soon he finds himself for want in a month long, year long camp.

Think long term refugee if you have to move, not your escape from the city week long hike. Think bush craft, think pioneer survival and thriving and not just tide you over for a few days survivalism. Think about not having access to more permanent equipment when you start thinking about a pack or what you will take with you. That thing you left behind for your lightweight setup might be the thing you wished you took with you, you wished you trekked and trudged with that extra X amount of pounds once you got somewhere for a while.

Backpackers think their kool kids hobby is the ONLY and PERFECT method for what might one day be the real thing. Ill prepared nonsense.

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>>592119

Pretty broad brush stuff. Some of it very true, conspiracy people are nuts, there are people who really think every time something happens "this'll be it" and they think catastrophe is certain in the next few years. There are plenty of nutjobs with the hero complex, superiority complex, people who want doomsday, people who think it'll bring opportunity. However, this is simply one part of those who prepare.

I think there are many of those who WANT to paint all preppers as nutjobs, because of the modern idea of thought control and propaganda, which are very real. The kind of mentality that would tell people not to buckle their belts while driving, because accepting the possibility of a car crash is painful, difficult, and might upset people's faith in the driver and the automobile. There is a "no need to worry, no need to prepare for even the most minor emergency, everything is fine, everything will be fine forever, trust us, don't get upset or worried".

To put on a seatbelt is to accept the possibility of a wreck. To buy a first aid kit is to accept the reality of harm and accidents and harm. To keep your fire extinguisher ready and in good condition in the kitchen to accept the reality of kitchen fires. To prepare your rifle by your bed for home defense is to accept self defense and its realities. To prepare for civil war, flood, massacre, volcanoes, niggers, tornadoes, uprisings, rebellions, famine, crop shortfalls, disasters of any type is accept the reality that tragedies occur, sometimes on massive scales beyond the help of other men and the State.

This is discomforting to many who want to pretend everything is great and happy and wonderful forever, and that man has the power to prevent all bad things, and live one giant lie. To accept that preppers have a point somewhere, and aren't all nuts and whackjobs, is to have that image, that lie, hurt, maybe shattered. Too much for many a snowflake.

The functionalists in power tell you the same thing as the preppers, "Please keep 3 days of food and water MINIMUM in case of unforseen tragedy" while the lofty tyrant says "Why do you prepare, do you not trust us, is this contempt for our central planning and wonderful utopia? Are you planning for rebellion, because I am paranoid and fear everyone and everything all the time, and is this a sign of uprising?"

Many people simply see the possibility of a problem and also see they have such abundant resource to prepare it would be foolish not to. A months' worth of canned or dried foods would make the difference in survival and even comfort in many disasters, and do not modern western people have the means and the place to store such a thing? If we have money to piss away on useless shit every month, why not invest a little in supplies that can bring comfort, or even survival in a tragedy beyond the control of man and State? Someone with a cold room full of cans and bags of food has his priorities more straight than the dude who borrows big money to buy a jetski he uses on the lake maybe twice a year. Spam is like $2 something a can and how much could one night at the bar, one nice meal out at a fancy resteraunt, a day out at the races or ball game, get you for an emergency stock supply that takes up minimal space and can be eaten one day in a on emergency anyways?

I'm a feudal minded old man. Give me a billion dollars and tell me I can do whatever I want, I would build an army, and a castle, and a navy, because that's who I am. Having an armory is natural, its who I am. Supplies and food stockups, ammunition, an open mind to possibilities ahead, these are simply natural to me, instinct. I'll be ready for war because I am a warrior, even in the garden it is more natural for me to carry a sword than a hoe. I am prepared to fight because that's who I am, not because I forsee endless war. I build armies because that's who I am, not because they are to be used.

Which is a good point because people who are the opposite, hate weapons and war and military principles only stock up on weapons to fight, they would not carry them otherwise.

Which brings us to the people in the middle, between me and them, which are the people who like to theorize and think about these things for entertainment, a hobby. Worrying about zombie appacolypse and world ending is probably a lot of fun, even if they have semi serious means to deal with them. Its fun to theorize, to use conjecture, to hypothesize and enjoy the hobby while still gaining valuable means and skills just in case something bad does happen.

Lastly, ask the folks who've been in real jams before what they think. People who, during war or after war, saw people starve and women prostitute themselves for food, then ask them about how stupid it is to prepare, how foolish extra food around the house is, how worrying is so awful.

Something might never happen to you. Buckle up and prepare anyways.

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>>598306

There are times when Americanism makes well meaning Americans look incredibly, indefenisbly stupid. Like when you can hear someone say that ice cold Bud Light is "real beer' and better than that European stuff. Or when NASCAR is best racing and international GT is stupid. Or when you hear people bash bidets just because they aren't popular in America therefore must be stupid. Ya just gotta wonder sometimes…..

>>599885

>assuming he has a Tea Kettle loicense

>the police haven't taken his illegal unlicensed kettle to halt crime

>he hasn't surrendered his assault boiler in a generous amnesty opportunity

>>600706

What the flying fuck. Harrison was right. Don't tell me they have a tax on your feet and boots now do they? To get those evil folks avoiding gasoline taxes to pay for roads?

>>616833

Alcohol, tobacco,and firearms isn't just an agency, they are trade items during a crisis, especially the tobacco and alcohol. With all the guns in the US and if you are in a place where there is relative stability, guns and ammunition values could be greater or lessor. However, cases of whiskey and cartons of cigarettes will always be of incredible trade value in any emergency. When things get dry, what woulnd't a lot of thirsty men trade for a bottle? The jonesing cigarette smoker would trade a lot for a pack.

In all reality, coffee won't fetch the same kind of trade value, but in a potential (if unlikely) long term scenario, other minor things like coffee might have surprising value. People think hard about necessary survival food, but what about sugar? Salt is cheap and valuable, if not for trade simply self use, you might be surprised how rare it might get in that same unlikely scenario. All these things can be stockpiled safely, and were always traded as well sought after general commodities forever because they are always in demand, always will. Salt for necessary salt intake, to preserve fresh meat and other things, all valuable for potential trade and use. When you have plenty of it, you don't think about it. When you don't have it, it will potentially ruin you.

I'm an ancient old thing, so I think old. But at the same time this old thinking was generally survival and functional based and centered. Alcohol, tobacco, tea, coffee, sugar, salt, these things will always sell and always have value. Even if you don't trade in when the apocolypse never happens, just use up your stockpile on yourself, at the very least you'll end up using it.

>>616887

Machining, casting, mechanical knowledge, even as something as old as blacksmithing might be useful, welding, carpentry, joinery, first aid, nursing, plumbing, electrical knowledge, old crafts like knowing how to make wood shingles or create pine rosin and pitch, classical agricultural knowledge, knowing how to make soap out of fat and ash, ect., a long line of potentially useful (perhaps not always useful depending on the situation and shortages) that could be useful to yourself or others.

Another thing about the classic world was that those people lived in chronic shortages of everything forever. My feudal nature leads me to store plenty of food and supplies for the siege that will never come, its my nature. The old fashioned peasant or pioneer had the rough skills to survive, like an old farmer from not too many decades past, or some still retain the general set of skills where they weren't masters, but knew enough to save money or get by.

Knowing how to cut wood, what wood to cut, the most efficient ways to burn it, how to use byproducts, how to do nigger rig welding and bolting to make machinery function, how to stop gap fix leaks in hoses or in roofs and houses, how to cobble things together. Their self sufficient nature lead them to being perhaps master at one thing, but a jack of all trades they were "ok" at in others, when they could get by, and this mentality and "ok" diverse skill set could prove useful to survival/trade in a potential long term crisis.

Many rural folks even today hold these old fashioned skills as hobbies, or still practice whatever self sufficient acts they can. Besides being closer to food, as well as being where the population density is low, they are closer to their roots of self sufficiency and resource management.

In all things considered, any useful PRACTICAL skill would be of some value. Don't be some soi boi who only knows how to work a compooter or do office work.

>>622554

They put that on every box, its an explanation of their symbols they use on the boxes denoting what the primary purpose of the rounds is. It doesn't mean that round is meant for all three purposes. But yes, 9mm would be just fine for small game. I use my UC-9 Uzi for small game removal in my yard. Would not use it for any other hunting unless survival starving situations.

FMJ's will punch through without doing much damage to even small game, I've shot rabbit with 38 Special FMJ and it did very little. A hollow point will kill it more effectively, but may damage very small game animals if you want to eat them, pelt them. Realistically the fur taking is the worst part, as for meat on a such a small animal it will waste some, but it won't ruin the animal.

>>687720

I thought it was so obvious it might not need explanation.