ZOGs DON'T HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND

ONLY YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SURVIVAL IN CHIMPOUTS, COUPS, WARS, OR MARKET CRASHES

IFF

>Flecktarn or modox gear

>Steel/Kevlar helmet with "/k/" on sides or front

>/k/ related patches on carriers, hats or pauldrons (a la peace walker/mgs5)

>Visible 8 of diamonds or 4 of clubs

>Nationalist paraphernalia and flags

>Green, blue and/or purple tape/cloth around bicep

CHALLENGES

>Baneposting

>STALKER memes

>"What time/day is it?"

1488/Day of the Rope

>AmRRON SOI

amrron.com

COMMS

>Get a Baofeng Handheld Transceiver

High value radios with models to choose from (try to only use genuine units and accessories)

>License free band considerations:

"Lowest bandwidth and power settings possible"

No repeater use, antenna height and length restrictions

THESE FREQS ARE USEFUL, BUT SAVE ALL CHs IN BAND FOR FLEXIBILITY

>MURS Ch3 151.940Mhz

US, Good from rural to urbanized locales

>FRS Ch3 462.6125MHz

US, Better for cities with tall buildings

>FREENET VHF Ch3 149.050Mhz

EU, use sparingly before SHTF as only fully legal in Germany

>PMR446 Ch3 446.03125MHz

EU, Basically FRS for Eubros.

>CB Ch3 26.985Mhz

HF freq, almost guaranteed daytime long range comms with proper setup.

>Get into /hamradio/ and get licensed.

www.arrl.org

Getting at least a tech license will remove the aforementioned limitations and allow for some HF, repeater use, and data tx

>youtu.be/RGluTpM7_K8

Everything you need to know for the tech test in video format with pdf in description

>Ham Test Prep

Free android test prep app from tech all the way to amateur extra if ya want

FARMING

Find out what grows where and how, use farmer's markets for income and intel

>No land?

Grow small crops and herbs in pots

Find someone with land and sharecrop for a share of harvest.

>Grains, legumes, corn, potatoes, squash, roots, yams

Last longest when stored properly

BUY HEIRLOOM SEEDS, MEANS OFFSPRING WILL PRODUCE SEEDS AS WELL

SUPPLIES

>ANTIBIOTICS

>First aid

Dressings, rolled bandage, non stick gauze, petrolatum jelly, nitrile gloves

>Paper plates and cups

>BIC STYLE CIGARETTE LIGHTERS

>Gold, silver and copper

>Water filtration and storage

amzn.com/B00QFXGSIY is high value, iodine, metal canteens.

>Hygiene

Baby wipes, soap, bleach, iodine, detergent

>ENERGY STORAGE/PRODUCTION/USAGE

batteries, solar cells, candles, charcoal, fire starters (dryer lint/sheets work)

>Construction aids

Shovels, full tang knives, pocket saws, etc

>Pots and pans for cooking

>Comfort items

Coffee, cheap liquor, cigarettes

>Preservatives

Dessicant packs, Salt, vinegar, canning gear.

FIRST AID

>SURVEY AND ASK: WHAT YOU SEE CAN HAPPEN TO YOU

>THE FOUR LIFE SAVING STEPS

Start the breathing

WITHOUT OXYGEN, BRAIN DEATH STARTS AT 60SECS

check for breath, clear airway, seal airway, 2 breaths, 30 pumps

Stop the bleeding

clean, close and apply tourniquet if limb

Protect the wound

jelly, nonstick, dressing, bandage

Treat for shock

evac, legs/wound above heart, prevent sweat/chill, calm victim

WEAPONS

>Get >>>/fit/: 2 mi/3km for time; calisthenics (push ups, squats,abs, etc) to failure at least 2x/week at minimum

A strong mind and body are the only weapons that can't be taken from you

>Get what you can afford and works for you.

Better one .22LR/NATO/combloc caliber gun, 10 mags and 1000 rounds than 100 meme caliber unicorns

>Live somewhere cucked?

Get sturdy sports equipment, construction tools and improvised firearms.

>High value, US MADE armor plate and carrier options

www.maingun.biz/category_s/2047.htm

www.tacticalscorpiongear.com

>Solvent Catch kits

Legal for weapons cleaning and eventually for wrol surpression.

NETWORK

https://www.zeemaps.com/group=2653404

if the bs "frozen site" jew pops up, just manually make the url match the above to bypass it

>ANY GROUPS TOUTING OFFENSE PRE-SHTF ARE AUTOMATICALLY SUSPECT

Don't say we didn't warn you

>Get to know radio operators in your area, check channel 3s at 9pm local or use the amrron soi

>use this thread to find nearby souls

>learn to use MGRS, android app "GPS Status" will convert to it

mytopo.com for custom high value 1:50k (6digit) maps

>mappingsupport.com

Ability to save local GZD, 100km^2 grid, and 2/4 digit maps, just set to MGRS/US Grid

>Learn a martial art or join a local sparring club like a boxing/mma gym

>Join or establish a militia or "survival clubs" depending on legality

aim for #s if can't into guns

>discuss different survival strategies to check personal readiness level

>Gold, silver and copper

That's cool and all, but how much do I buy, and of each?

I mean, it isn't cheap and wouldn't that money be better spent on guns ammo and gear? At the end of the day, a gun is going to be far more valuable than a chunk of metal in a SHTF scenario in about every respect, even if its a shitty highpoint, isn't it? I mean you can goon some gomer or a nigger out of something good for a shiny rock, but then again, you can also just shoot them, and keep your shiny rock.

>>581309

Its to make bartering easier. hauling hundreds of bullets to a trade is cumbersome and makes you a target. But you, a friend, and some ounces of bullion in your pockets is much easier to conceal on the way to a trade or underground bazaar type scenario. I think pawn shops even take bullion for items, I know the one close to me does. It comes from pic related.

>>581309

useful supplies silver, fuck (((gold))), I don't know about copper but it's less valuable per weight than silver and weight is a liability so stick with silver imo

>>581309

The priority should probably be gun, ammo, water, food, gear, toilet paper, trade supplies and then quality of life improvements How much of each depends on whether you intend to bug in or bug out and your budget.

>>581638

knowing how to reload ammo could come in handy too

>>581611

>(((gold))),

>putting the only thing that put a limit to (((bankers'))) urge to print money in echoes

I'm onto your tricks

Which of these should I prioritize more- a kevlar helmet, night vision, or radio equipment?

>>582379

A better question is do you have your basics down?

>>582379

Radio. Cheapest of the 3. Kevlars are only really good as IIIA protection, shrapnel (which isn't typical in civilian scenarios) and a mount for nvgs. Modern NVG sets are light enough to work with a headlight style harness. Case in point:

shop.opticsplanet.com/night-owl-tctical-g1-goggles-nobg1.html

>>581292

I was wondering when a prepper thread would come up, was worried there wouldn't be one since I couldn't make one myself. Corrupted hard drive and all so no dumps.

Anyone got the outdoor camping prep images? Convinced my friends to take up hiking/camping as a hobby with me so this would be a good chance to start testing gear between the lot of us.

>>582418

This shit is outdated mind you.

>>582422

Thanks man. Just needed a general guideline to make a gear list from.

>>582422

>folding saw

<no machete

gas yourself

>>582428

What part of This shit is outdated mind you don't you understand?

>>582428

There's a kukri style machete on the list.

>>582501

Those ain't that great to be honest, they're fucktarded heavy. Like I said that infograph is heavily outdated, I only have it around because of archival purposes.

>>582422

The firesteel is one of the most retarded item ever. Literaly no one is using them is poor countries/zone of crysis.

Otherwise you have specific infos regarding use in military, I would never use that. Just buy a big pack of lighters. I bought 50 of them for like 30 bucks. Literaly for a lifetime.

Some people are talking about silver/gold; I'm definitively putting a substantial ammount of my money in these, since the euro currency is very literaly to fall in the next couple of years.

>>582508

It's not something I'd get personally. Though 21b10f said there were no machetes.

>>582539

Flint and steel is excellent to have when you're out of fuel for those lighters or need to trade them away. Alternatively, you can just get a stick of flint to carry and strike your (hopefully) steel knife against it for a lighter carry weight.

>>582548

I'm sorry, but in african shit holes, I see bic lighters. No one is using these shits. That's just pure "survivalism" marketing. If you look at the video using firesteels, they're actually using fire enabler, because of how hard it is to use.

>>582392

NVG head harnesses are awkward, shitty and expensive. You can get a ACH/MICH for $150 or less w/ the NVG mount attached. You can get a NOROTOS or VAS mount for $10-15. Shit, you can get a Protec bump helmet loaded out with all the useless shit for $80 including a VAS mount at that shit is $20 cheaper than the cheapest head harness that isn't proprietary. You can also get a decent Gen-1 without dropping serious coin, the Armasight Spark Core and Vega Mini are both sub-$500 and are Rhino compatible.

post from the QTDDTOT because i realized it fits here better

my country is getting a bit too warm politically(tl;dr the cia fucked us and now the trucks arent taking gas anywhere which means economy is shooty bang dead)

im getting a bit spooked

im 90% sure a civil war could break out, and soon

i have enough food to last a few days (1 week at least)

i have 2 options at hand if the state goes under

i could bug in and try to weather it out

or make a BOB and leg it all the way to uruguay(35 hours of travel(no gas stations have gas anymore so thats why i wouldnt just drive))

>>582673

Any chance you can make it to Uruguay now in the event civil unrest gets too warm? It would be easier instead of waiting to do it with all the other potential refugees.

>>582675

>>582675

Not really

I can't risk getting kicked out of uni over an uncertain concern

>>582673

>im 90% sure a civil war could break out, and soon

>can't risk getting kicked out of uni over an uncertain concern

Escolha um, caralho.

>>582673

If you can't get out now, don't bother trying when SHTF, near everyone will try to migrate elsewhere for food alone.

If you bug-in and it's just yourself you have to worry about, it would be easier to bug in a for a good bit and once the main exodus has died off (few weeks/month), then make your way out. If you're only 35 hours to the border it's not that bad of a trek, average person walks about 3 MPH (5 km/h). Just make sure your survival skills are honed and avoid contact with anyone. It'd be better if you had a friend to watch you back.

>>582555

>I'm sorry, but in african shit holes, I see bic lighters

Friendo, you see Bic's in Ebolaland, because the rest of the world is still intact, meaning there is an importer of Bic's, because as shit as Africa is it is still a market. The difference between Africa and SHTF, is that exterior economic market is gone and no one exists to import Bic's to you.

> they're actually using fire enabler

Yeah, that's called "tinder", it's why pre-industrial revolution explorers, adventures, and military expeditions carried charcloth…hence the term "tinderbox" which contained a flint, firesteel, and tinder.

>>582548

>kukri

meme knife

need a real machete

>>582673

Sinto muito, cara. I wish you paid more attention to my previous threads. If you don't have any friends to help you make the trek, you'd be dead before you made it to be border. You don't have enough supplies to bug in. I hope you have friends and family nearby to help you. A radio is what I would recommend, but I don't think you will be able to get one at this point. I wish you the best of luck.

>>582728

Because you think that firesteel factories are still gonna work after the armagueddon?

Bic lighters are actually rechargeable.

I'm pretty sure that electricity will still be a thing after. That's what people are gonna try to reenable the sooner possible. So you can count on the fact that most of our tech is not gonna dissapear in the future.

Firesteel is a marketing item that is totaly retarded, while being inneficient. That's the perfect exemple of marketing selling useless stuff.

>>582775

You almost had me, I've give you 1/10.

>>582422

Outdated? You mean pants-on-head retarded. This shit was obviously written by someone who's never even spent a night at a KOA.

Enjoy this little video from someone who has actually left their house.

>>583589

I think day hikers who think they have everything figured out for a long term survival situation are the most retarded ones. People who go hiking for fun and camping a few days think that their short term, more short term survival experience, under modern controlled short term conditions, is the best way for every scenario.

In a long term disaster, the smarmy ass day hikers and the kids running around with their light weight survival gear will be in a terrible spot. They are only prepared to survive for a short time WITH THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF REACHING STEADY AND STABLE CIVILIZATION ONCE AGAIN and not survive in a long term temporary camp style situation they might end up in during a long term major crisis.

During the so called "SHTF" ( I hate that term) its more likely you will see people being displaced and many large areas in turmoil, which means you aren't just going to be hiking through the tame wilderness for a week back to stable safety, your concern ins't having a light backpack for your fun ol journey, you might end up in a camp for displaced people for a long time, meaning your heavy weight, and heavy duty, gear is far more important than keeping a few nice little convenient light weight, and light duty items.

The man who takes a full size wood splitter, full size cast iron dutch oven, full size tent, heavy duty cot, heavy wool blankets, big boi sleeping bag, full size EVERYTHING will be in a great situation to survive and thrive in a long term temporary camp or settlement than Johnny "Fancypants" Backpacker with his light duty garbage that's only meant for his fun excursions. His light duty aluminum cookwear, his light tools, his LACK of tools, all to save weight while he's jerking off in the bush on his weekends, aren't the best, and often times won't hold up, against long term survival use if the situation means others can't help him survive once he finds a place to settle/camp/stay.

The backpacker will mock the cheap Lodge cast iron pan for being "outdated" and "heavy' and stupid, till the backpacker's expensive lightweight spaceage shit isn't the best to live off of in a refugee settlement. Next thing you know authorities and others can't equip you with better more permanent survival equipment.

The minimal backpacker might die, or at best suffer in displacement that lasts more than a week, or may last months or a year. Once he realizes this isn't his usual fit backpacking trip, it may dawn on him the shortages, the weaknesses of his planning and strategy. He prepared for an easy week of hiking, and soon he finds himself for want in a month long, year long camp.

Think long term refugee if you have to move, not your escape from the city week long hike. Think bush craft, think pioneer survival and thriving and not just tide you over for a few days survivalism. Think about not having access to more permanent equipment when you start thinking about a pack or what you will take with you. That thing you left behind for your lightweight setup might be the thing you wished you took with you, you wished you trekked and trudged with that extra X amount of pounds once you got somewhere for a while.

Backpackers think their kool kids hobby is the ONLY and PERFECT method for what might one day be the real thing. Ill prepared nonsense.

>>583589

>>583817

Lightweight survival packing is for inconvenience while temporarily leaving a permanent well provisioned home base you'll be returning to.

Fuck yes of course I have a large collection of huge heavy ass cast iron pans, I keep them home and I know they'll be there when I return, nobody can lift them.

A new round of false flags are imminent due to Trump peace talks and IG exposing jew deep state shenanigans. Stay vigilant.

>>581292

Ausfag /noguns/, would trading alcohol (i have stockpiles of honey (doubles as a basic antibiotic) & yeast for making mead) and kerosene (know how to make crude kerosene from plasic) be able to get me a gun? Or will i just be shot.

>>583817

Meanwhile, the guy who's carrying a fucking full sized axe, oven, cot, and whatever other stupid heavy crap you think a single person can carry on their back will fall over and either break their neck or wear out their spine after only half a week of hiking in rough terrain, while the minimal backpacker who you look down on, despise, and spit on will still have full mobility and won't be suffering from joint and spinal pain as they continue to hike out. There's a reason why even medieval and napoleonic era soldiers didn't carry so that much heavy shit on them when on long foot marches and instead relied on baggage trains to carry that shit for them.

Of course, being the armchair kommando that you are, I'm sure you'll call me an "ill-prepared" tenderfoot who's never gone trekking in the wilderness a day in his life and how you'll totally fuck my shit up on the DoTR, despite your own advice blatantly giving away your lack of experience with long-distance foot travel.

>>585188

Nah, just find a farmer. He will love ya for the kero and grog. Most farmers and a shitload of small town Australians have SKSs and L1A1s buried either on their property or in the bush somewhere. If you are really worried you should be you should try getting cozy with some older blokes now. Obviously avoid any criminal sorts for the blackmarket, avoid bikies, lebs etc.

A pot still would also be useful for distilling shitty grog made from white sugar, the resulting vodka can then be used for sterilizing shit, getting a fire going and can also be used for vodka shots or flavoured to make other spirits . Snobs will tell you it isn't the same as distilling from proper wash (as in making rum from rum wash etc.) but in such a situation no one would care, as the approximation would be close enough. If you snag some molasses for horses/cattle you could make rum proper. Shit stores long term so you could consider it a cheap investment. You could even use it to get friendly with the type mentioned above. The sort to go along with that are generally going to be rather mistrusting of the government and bitch about how all the taxes on grog means it costs a fucking bomb to get pissed etc.

Make sure you pay an arm and a leg to get the still registered of course, be sure to pay excise tax and keep it legal!

Also, coles apple juice (like the homebrand shit that goes for around a dollar a litre) can be made into rather decent grog. Set yourself up with a few of those big blue water containers from bunnings and you can make decent apfelwein for two fifths of bugger all.

>>581611

>>581309

Curious on what a good amount of silver would be, and what is the preferred form. I've always been of fan of bars but coins seem easier to divide. What is a good places for silver that dont heck your life up with fees?

>>585191

Problem with coles apple juice cider is you have to clean anything you're making it in thoroughly. Mead is made from Honey which as i mentioned, is a natural antibiotic. so anything you make it with only really needs a good once-over to get the dirt off

>>585194

I bought three 1 ounce coins a few years ago. Can’t for the life of me remember where. I haven’t felt compelled to buy more.

With ‘cane season upon us, I think we’re due for another inventory of our shit. Food and water game is weak. Ammo is dipping a bit under what I like. I have about 2k each of 5.56 and 9mm. My preferred minimum is around 2,500-3,000. Medical kit needs restocking. Comms are good to go but I plan on upgrading the Boafengs to better models. And I need to finish my AR build. Lots to do.

>>585194

I have about a pound of it, in bars and coins. You have to know that the next crash will be a deflationary one, so be sure to trade it all in for stuff or cash, since the revalued currencies will make them less "valuable."

>>585219

Don't forget to turn those baofengs to ebay and feed the link to us to funnel them to fellow strelo/k/s, 20 burgerbucks is a lot for some of us. I wish I had CB gear, since its a lot more active than vhf/uhf boomercuck hams.

>>583817

spot on you motherfucking nigger

I only cook with iron

I use a fucking becker bk9 bowie knife to baton wood so the axe doesn't kill me

>>585198

True but that's why you buy bleach which has a bunch of other uses for such a situation.

>not wanting to use grog to enslave coons and become the coon warlord to liberate Australia

Should probably buy some petrol too.

Bump.

>>588251

>tfw the Democrats are doing all the footwork for the coming race war

>tfw your state 84% white

>tfw the general Zeitgeist in your state is perfect for redpilling

I'm pretty excited. I'm also traveling and being kept up by the two sororities that seemed to have moved into the adjoining hotel rooms, so I've decided to spent time thinking about prepping rather than listen to basic white girls talk.

I have about 100 oz. of silver and an ounce of gold, four gats (Ruger 10/22, AR carbine, .270 Remington 700, and a SKS), and some milsurp camo. That's about it when it comes to prepping. What can I do as a poor college student, particularly when I don't have much space to work with in my apartment? Should I just send the bulk food to my parents and have a BOB here instead?

https://archive.fo/LXYrq

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44608999

Commiefornia senator said this: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them,"

And the dems immediately go in damage control stating it "not to incite violent"

Be on your watch for fights. Apparently a Florida cabinet member had to be escorted by police out of a theatre too after being threatened.

>>581309>>585190

so you plan accordingly, you know where you live, you can figure out the places where shit will probably be worst, so you figure out the three most likely routes people will take to the places that should be safe or hit less and avoid those.

then you look at what you want to carry, you try it and see what you can carry and what not, find your weight and make sure that has the essentials in it. now go to the store, and purchase a bicycle, preferably a mountain bike, put to extra bags on it to carry shit and there you are; speed, mobility and extra carry weight. now you practice with that and you find your max again, now you pack your essentials and your luxury items and you are not only outpacing anyone else on foot, you even have a solution that can easily be mounted on the back of a truck, doesn't need fuel or food, won't make any noise and can even be upgraded with an electric motor if you want to get even more speed and mileage out of it.

>>588425

>What can I do as a poor college student, particularly when I don't have much space to work with in my apartment?

Buy more ammo then when SHTF just steal shit from retards that didn't prep. Because if you don't have enough space or money to stockpile food and supplies then it's time to become a future bandit.

>>588425

I got you bro.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/balancing-preparedness-and-clutter-while-living-efficiently-in-small-spaces/amp/

http://everycitizenasoldier.org

THE FUCKING MADMEN ACTUALLY DID IT

The thread dedicated to this leaf masterpiece has been bumped off by all of the shitty slides, so I'll bump my thread to discuss it:

THE WK 180C IS READY FOR SHIPPING FOR 1000 CUCKBUCKS

Arm yourselves, leafs, for the coming raking of your chinese/jew/commie traitors.

>>591057

Buddy, they're doing one in .308 as well now too.

>>591057

I'm a little envious of you leafs; I want one.

>>591058

In that thread, a fellow leaf reached out to them and they realized that 300blk made more sense since it would only need a slightly different barrel. However, from what is said, it will take even standard AR barrels. How the hell did they do it?

>>581309

I wouldn't bother with that shit, why would anyone bother trading their good resources like ammo, food, water for some shiny metal? Get something people would want, tobacco, coffee, more ammo, more food, more water. I think you'd get more out of a carton of cigarettes in terms of trade the equivalent in gold.

>>591111

Booze too.

>>591110

Simple, they're using a standard ar15 bolt face, suffice to say I've got the .300 barrel already.

>>591111

>Not storing wealth via a tangible, fungible asset used as a store of value for millenia.

Its a great way to trade without a transaction. I traded some bars of silver for ammo in a gun/pawn shop and no jew or government will ever know it.

>>591242

The point is that in an emergency situation its better to invest it more immediate things. No one's going to want a bar of metal when they're starving. And if you haven't already got all your other bases covered for years (water, food, ect) then investing in expensive stuff isn't a good idea.

(And you couldn't use money in your specific anecdote why?)))

>>591962

That's what you get for assuming I haven't already stocked up on essentials. Because I have bills to pay. You can pack bullion more discreetly than ammo or food to a potential trade.

Sounds like this german autist here has /k/ommandos all figured out:

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2018/07/link-drop-and-comments-july-2018.html

…at least in his head ;^)

>>591111

Checked.

I agree. Coffee is used as currency in prisons. Also note, freeze dried coffee is lightweight and will store for 20 years.

>>592119

Pretty broad brush stuff. Some of it very true, conspiracy people are nuts, there are people who really think every time something happens "this'll be it" and they think catastrophe is certain in the next few years. There are plenty of nutjobs with the hero complex, superiority complex, people who want doomsday, people who think it'll bring opportunity. However, this is simply one part of those who prepare.

I think there are many of those who WANT to paint all preppers as nutjobs, because of the modern idea of thought control and propaganda, which are very real. The kind of mentality that would tell people not to buckle their belts while driving, because accepting the possibility of a car crash is painful, difficult, and might upset people's faith in the driver and the automobile. There is a "no need to worry, no need to prepare for even the most minor emergency, everything is fine, everything will be fine forever, trust us, don't get upset or worried".

To put on a seatbelt is to accept the possibility of a wreck. To buy a first aid kit is to accept the reality of harm and accidents and harm. To keep your fire extinguisher ready and in good condition in the kitchen to accept the reality of kitchen fires. To prepare your rifle by your bed for home defense is to accept self defense and its realities. To prepare for civil war, flood, massacre, volcanoes, niggers, tornadoes, uprisings, rebellions, famine, crop shortfalls, disasters of any type is accept the reality that tragedies occur, sometimes on massive scales beyond the help of other men and the State.

This is discomforting to many who want to pretend everything is great and happy and wonderful forever, and that man has the power to prevent all bad things, and live one giant lie. To accept that preppers have a point somewhere, and aren't all nuts and whackjobs, is to have that image, that lie, hurt, maybe shattered. Too much for many a snowflake.

The functionalists in power tell you the same thing as the preppers, "Please keep 3 days of food and water MINIMUM in case of unforseen tragedy" while the lofty tyrant says "Why do you prepare, do you not trust us, is this contempt for our central planning and wonderful utopia? Are you planning for rebellion, because I am paranoid and fear everyone and everything all the time, and is this a sign of uprising?"

Many people simply see the possibility of a problem and also see they have such abundant resource to prepare it would be foolish not to. A months' worth of canned or dried foods would make the difference in survival and even comfort in many disasters, and do not modern western people have the means and the place to store such a thing? If we have money to piss away on useless shit every month, why not invest a little in supplies that can bring comfort, or even survival in a tragedy beyond the control of man and State? Someone with a cold room full of cans and bags of food has his priorities more straight than the dude who borrows big money to buy a jetski he uses on the lake maybe twice a year. Spam is like $2 something a can and how much could one night at the bar, one nice meal out at a fancy resteraunt, a day out at the races or ball game, get you for an emergency stock supply that takes up minimal space and can be eaten one day in a on emergency anyways?

I'm a feudal minded old man. Give me a billion dollars and tell me I can do whatever I want, I would build an army, and a castle, and a navy, because that's who I am. Having an armory is natural, its who I am. Supplies and food stockups, ammunition, an open mind to possibilities ahead, these are simply natural to me, instinct. I'll be ready for war because I am a warrior, even in the garden it is more natural for me to carry a sword than a hoe. I am prepared to fight because that's who I am, not because I forsee endless war. I build armies because that's who I am, not because they are to be used.

Which is a good point because people who are the opposite, hate weapons and war and military principles only stock up on weapons to fight, they would not carry them otherwise.

Which brings us to the people in the middle, between me and them, which are the people who like to theorize and think about these things for entertainment, a hobby. Worrying about zombie appacolypse and world ending is probably a lot of fun, even if they have semi serious means to deal with them. Its fun to theorize, to use conjecture, to hypothesize and enjoy the hobby while still gaining valuable means and skills just in case something bad does happen.

Lastly, ask the folks who've been in real jams before what they think. People who, during war or after war, saw people starve and women prostitute themselves for food, then ask them about how stupid it is to prepare, how foolish extra food around the house is, how worrying is so awful.

Something might never happen to you. Buckle up and prepare anyways.

>>592184

>>592184

>To prepare for civil war, flood, massacre, volcanoes, niggers, tornadoes, uprisings, rebellions, famine, crop shortfalls, disasters of any type

Not that I disagree with anything in your post, but why write niggers 5 times?

>>592195

Just be happy you don't have to deal with them, pollack.

>>592195

But he wrote it 11 times

>>585217

what the fuck, man

Anyone have the greentext where anon talks about the timeline of events when mandatory gun confiscation is passed in America?

>>581292

oh look another RUSSIAN-CREATED ALARMIST THREAD

fuck off ivan, we're all set around here. worry about your own dilapidated shit hole.

Ham radio suggestions?

>>594681

>being this new at shilling

Welcome to the rest of your life, faggot.

>>594686

UV-5R V2+

>>594686

Yaesu FT-2980R and a decent half-wavelength antenna. Stick it in your car or shack, hit repeaters fifty miles away.

>>594681

That professor is fucking artarded because unless all the cartels and the mexican army unite, there ain't no way they're getting far into Texas, let alone taking over all that.

>>594696

the entire map is silly to the point of being a parody of itself. If the US balkanizes Canada won't be taking a god damn thing, if anything Canada and the Americas in general will end up being split up by the American successor states.

>>594681

Tell us, zogbot, how fucking idiotic are you to believe that Russia shit?

>>594697

Canada dies the day any trade to and from America is stepped

>>594681

I prefer the map from Crimson Skies to be honest.

>>594739

>Industrial States of America

>capital: Chicago

>putting a city which singlehandedly destroyed its state's industry in charge of a country based on that industry

Things are looking good for the appalachian or dixie blue collar workers at least.

>>594739

>Confederation of Dixie.

>Missouri

Kindly fuck off with that shit.

>>594739

>Austin

>The capital if the Republic of Texas

Only flaw, tbh.

>>594847

It's pretty nice here, but a good purging is required. Basically just drop sarin gas on the entire city and recolonize it. I would welcome death.

GVLanon here. I do still exist, just with a lower profile.

>>594932

Also, should every anon who owns a house/property be prioritizing a solar panel installation? A modest solar setup may not be able to provide you with every comfort of modern life (A/C being #1 here) but the ability to maintain refrigeration is like having superpowers in a SHTF scenario. Maintaining a steady caloric intake becomes so much easier wheb one can preserve fresh foods through refrigeration and freezing. Not only can one stock up on perishables well beforehand, one can preserve the fruits of their post-SHTF gardening efforts far longer. It also allows for far more vaiety in one's diet which, as anyone who has tested their SHTF beans n' rice diet can attest, is gold when it comes to maintaining morale and overall mental health.

>>581292

>>594934

If you have a creek running through the property, set a hydro-electric dam up.

>>594930

Only smart if your kit will fit in it. I got one of those cheap 3 day packs and it barely fits my shit.

>>594932

>>594934

Hey stranger. I have been thinking about this immensely for reasons and propose the following: If land is limited, a few panels can trickle charge a huge battery backup so much so that it could run a full day at least after a bad storm and power is to return. To conserve, the battery could be hooked to the mains using a generator plug, and only the minimum essentials are run during the day long enough to refreeze the necessary via flipping unneeded breakers. In terms of pallate, fuck that. You're surviving, not taking the family out to a buffet. They can either eat rice/beans ad nauseam or starve. Nip anon >>594942 has a great point, but sadly we all don't live in a little house on a prairie.

>>594972

>prairie

I live innmountains. I'll draw my set up when I'm somewhere I can.

>>594934

>Refrigeration

It's called a root cellar, and it's much more efficient at preserving things than solar panels and a busted compressor fridge. If you can afford to waste power running a refrigerator, you should honestly look into just building a freezer room ahead of time to keep shit cold/act as insulation.

>>594942

That'll be great once SHTF, but up until that point it is highly illegal to do that (at least in my state).

>>594978

Just build a bridge with a throughway. Nothing wrong with that

Just in case anybody doubted OP about things going south (literally in this case),

https www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-18/san-francisco-begins-registering-non-citizens-vote-local-elections

They're voting for their gibz, now.

We need the wet nurses for the orphaned babies.

>>594942

Like that other anon said, this is generally illegal in the states, or at least it's illegal if done on the scale needed to produce meaningful, consistent power. The problem with relying on a creek is that creeks regularly run dry to the point that you can almost guarantee you'll be out of power for at least a week or two at certain times of year. You could always dam up a reservoir to account for that but a sufficiently large reservoir will require both a large amount of land and is definitely illegal without proper permits and a dam design signed off on by an engineer.

There's been a large crackdown on private dams in my area due to a massive flood a few years back. The state government thought there were only 2-3,000 private dams in the state but after a cascading series of failures that led to a major river taking out 1/5th of the capitol city, they started surveying all the state's waterways and found something like 20,000 previously unknown dams on private land. Now you're basically fucked if you try to build a new one for cheap.

>>594978

Root cellars are great in regions where the below ground temperature stays at a steady 50-55° F like it does in most of the northern US but they don't work well in the southeast. The average below ground temperature in my area is 64° which gives all the benefits of leaving food out on the counter in what Canadians and other frozen peoples consider to be room remperature. That ans digging a cellad in Piedmont clay requires serious heavy equipment.

As for the reliability of refrigerators and freezers, yes they aren't 100% dependable but bare bones refrigerators are cheap and good drop in freezers are astoundingly cheap. I already have 2 refrigerators and getting a backup chest freezer would only cost me $200. The amount of calories one can pack in all 4 would be enough to live a comparably "luxurious" SHTF lifestyle and there would still be plenty of storage if I lose one of each due to shitty chinesium build quality.

My reasoning is also partially driven by my expectations of how SHTF would play out in my region. At worst, I expect a month of abject chaos after a short buildup period of instability. After the initial "Days of Rage" have calmed down there will be an intermittent and inconsistent availability of fresh foodstuffs from local farms. That local supply will not be enough to support local demand but one will be able to obtain fresh meats and vegetables at a hefty premium during the early aftermath period. Those who have the resources to trade/barter for as much as they can at any one time and also possess the ability to preserve that food indefinitely are going to have a huge advantage. When supply is inconsistent, those who can command more of whatever is available in the moment and have it last through supply droughts win.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/maxine-waters-warns-supporters-armed-protests/story?id=56681915

https://archive.fo/UwyGn

If any of you fags are in california, might want to be careful as it seems the dems want to turn this into a cleansing of gunowners.

>>594978

Colorado, I presume?

How can I find other like minded individuals to prep and make friends with. I can't go look in forums because everyone thinks everyone glows in the dark.

> I just want a chill prepper bro to talk about shtf and go do outdoor stuff with.

> inb4 nice try iridescent CIA nigger

>>596733

>Comes to thread

>Doesn't Read OP

https://www.zeemaps.com/group=2653404

To the other LI anon, got any contact info?

>>596753

>only 2 anons in your state and they are at least an hour away.

>>596809

Minnesota, brah?

>only two Polish strelo/k/s on the map

>one is a queerfag boyscout and the other lives million miles away and will probably kill me and sell my corpse as a part of complex scam

>>597075

As far as you're concerned, that sounds like a pretty simple scam.

>>596770

I'm guessing that's his steam? Have you LI niggers even met, or can I assume that you're bros?

>>596753

>tfw no swede/finnbro in Lapland to reign over the frozen north with

>>597099

I've met with all other LI anons on that map besides him.

You all probably heard about it anyway, but the Swedish government sent out a booklet to all Swedes a few months back titled 'if crisis or war comes'.

I'm not sure what their intent was, as the essentials needed according to them wouldn't have you surviving more than a week if things went bad.

>>597113

>I'm not sure what their intent was

What if those damned, dirty SD bigots get in power and invite the Russians to invade and rid you of all that wonderful diversity? Please remember to vote responsibly and tow the line, or else there will be a war.

>>597113

Could just be routine stuff, a "send out a leaflet like this out every 5 or 10 years thing I mean.

Could you link to an english version or sum up what it said?

>>597107

Planning on moving to benisland in like 3-6 years, whats the prepper scene like there?

>>597116

My last vote went to One Nation, as you and I share a nationality. Been living in Sweden for a couple years now and I'm not eligible to vote here (many 'refugees' are though, go figure).

>>597117

Can you speak Finnish? The language is difficult as fuck when compared to learning Swedish. I don't have any proper friends here so I don't know what others get up to. Finns seem a little less tolerant of the refugees either way.

>>597118

If I hadn't found a nice farm in Hälsingland to run I'd have joined you.

>>597203

Looks really nice there mate, and farming keeps you out of the public mostly. The more I'm exposed to the public the more I want to get out of here.

>>597117

Here's the english version https://www.msb.se/Upload/Forebyggande/Krisberedskap/Krisberedskapsveckan/Fakta%20om%20broschyren%20Om%20krisen%20eller%20Kriget%20kommer/om-krisen-eller-kriget-kommer---engelska.pdf

>Could just be routine stuff, a "send out a leaflet like this out every 5 or 10 years thing I mean.

Only problem is that they completely stopped sending out information like this for well over 10 years when it used to be a regular occurrence in the phone books, and only now before the election they try so show some semblance of preparedness.

I think the now raging forest fires is a good redpill for the normalfags to understand that the state can't protect them for shit.

>>597118

Isn't finnish closer to hungarian than the germanic languages?

>>597234

>good redpill for the normalfags

Nah, it wont redpill them. Normalfags will stay as normalfags as long as the reality they are experiencing doesn't drastically differ from what the authority figures are saying to them. Normalfag will be completely satisfied if someone shits on his plate as long as television tells him that this is to be expected and that this is perfectly normal state of affairs, and that there is nothing to worry about.

Strip all these authority figures away from his life, and suddenly normalfag will start thinking wethever or not it really is a good thing that there is fecal matter on his plate instead of blindly following and doing what media and officials are telling him to do and think.

>>597117

I don't think there is any such scene really. Sure there's some individuals, and people outside cities may or may not use common sense regarding preparations for abnormal conditions. Various reservist-units probably comes closest to anything resembling a prepper-scene.

>>597239

Yeah it's same language group.

>>597248

>normalfag will start thinking wethever or not it really is a good thing that there is fecal matter on his plate instead of blindly following and doing what media and officials are telling him to do and think.

I dunno, often it seems like normalfags either kill themselves or immediately search for a replacement authority figure.

>>595114

And, this is mentioning the obvious, if you are living in region where there's snow and ice in winter, you can make that root-cellar/adhoc air-raid shelter even cooler by hauling ice and snow into the cellar.

tfw inspired,depressed at the same time by survivalist threads

Got my plate carrier nearly completely set up. JPC with Spiritus Chassis. Liking this much more than my Banshee PC.

>>597278

Do your research and see what other people’s experiences are with specific ones you’re considering. I’m 5’9” and a 145lbs, so larger PCs inherently don’t fit me well. The JPC fits me the best out of the three that I’ve owned (the others being the Shellback Banshee - an okay fit - and the Condor MOPC - not so okay.)

>>597250

Don't sage if you're gonna contribute.

>>597258

You should be depressed, your country and its faggot men allowed it to become what it is. Luckily for you, your country can be liberated in a summer due to your shitty police/mil size. Start prepping and making friends now.

>>597275

Nice radio pocket, where did you get it? Is it baofeng specific? I once innawooded with the handmic and realized that I couldn't hear it during live fire, so I'm thinking on using the ear piece under my ear pro to see if that helps. I'm a bigger guy, so I added a cummerbund that allows me a drop pouch and IFAK, among other things. Go support the KS or your local gun show and get a patch.

>>597284

It’s a maxpedition phone pouch that I’ve had for years. It happened to fit the Boafeng and I replaced the metal clip with a malice tab just to throw it on the plate carrier. Works so far but I’m looking at another pouch to replace it.

>>597118

Yeah I know the language is supposed to be hard but I'm willing to learn the language as the host country (would be being hypocritical otherwise).

I also know about the finns being less tolerant to, gives me more hope that they might not end up like sweden (no offense intended to you)

>>597248

Yeah that's what I've heard elsewhere sadly. Figured the conscription might offset the scene in the traditional sense though. Perhaps the camping/hiking scene could be a good place to look considering how harsh the climate there can be?

>>597478

>gives me more hope that they might not end up like sweden

Finns are ultimately spineless cowards that will be happy with absolutely anything politicians are doing. Flood the country with hajis? They're perfectly okay with it. Cuck for EU at every possible opportunity? They are most happy to do so. Strip themselves from civil liberties? Absolutely willing to do so. Give away national infrastructure and natural resources for free, ofcourse these fucking cucks will do so.

No, conscription doesn't offset that though, as everything is provided for conscript on a silver platter basically. Rangers/scouts might come closest of having actually useful skillset out of conscripts. But overall camping/hiking-scene is your best bet.

>>583589

>6:30

>you don't need a fire starter because someone will come by and help you if your fire doesn't start

Brain dead fucking retarded video. What a waste of time. Anon you should be castrated just for posting this.

>>597478

Start studying the language now if you're 100% determined to move there.

You might find yourself disappointed if you're looking to escape political correctness or think of Finland as some sort of white sanctuary. I've lived in both Australia and Sweden and have spent enough time in Finland to know that the corruptive rot that plagues western society is as bad as it is in Australia as it is in Sweden and many parts of Finland. Swedish culture is just more receptive to the cancer as they've followed socialist agendas with more vigour than Australia has.

The biggest difference I've noticed between people here and in Aus is that the majority of people here look to the government to solve all their problems, whereas the majority in Australia generally want the government to ease the nanny state and leave them in peace. (note: as far as I'm concerned, Melbourne and Sydney are suburbs of California).

Useful if legal in your area:

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=_7jiIQOgwtI

With $30 of stuff you can make 9mm/shotgun resistant body armour!

>>597483

Aww fuck, I was hoping it would at least be better than this place. Mainly moving there for the climate tbh. I'm training for the vidya sector so finding work seems like it might be the biggest issue for me personally (language aside).

>>597484

Some of what shes saying is valid, but keep in mind shes not talking about a shtf situation, so take what she says and run it through a filter. Some of it is common sense ofcourse.

>>597511

Oh I totally know its a left as fuck country and all, but for the most part I don't mind aside from the rapefugees, as much as thats a sin to say around here. The cold weather is like %70 my reason for wanting to live there. Got at least another two years of uni, and could be doing a few years in Japan depending on how things go so its awhile off yet. Will definitely start learning the language in advance though.

>>597530

that's pretty cool, would be nice to see a larger test group to prove their reliability. If they are, then armouring up a large number of people could be pretty cheap. Making custom armour for home defense could be good to, hell this stuff is pretty light right? Could even make shields and bullet resistant walls if you wanted perhaps?

>>597546

>but keep in mind shes not talking about a shtf situation

>in a SHTF thread

No fucking shit?

>>597602

>Criticising the girl and not the guy who posted an irrelevant video

Some of the shit she says is kinda relevant, everyone's situation is different so they will be relitive to some and not for others. Think of the two bug out pack extremes, the people who only need it to last a 3 day hike to a bug out location and the people with full I'm.Never.Coming.Home bags. The info is relevant to both.

Hell most of us are glorified backpackers until shit its the fan anyway so i'm sure a lot of us are falling into bad habits she addresses in the vid :v

>>597546

The method would actually be ideal for making resistant inserts for cars actually (you would just be able to clamp the layes between plywood to make flat plates for that), and then bolt the plates into your car door, etc.

…again, only if it was legal in your country/location.

>>597069

Louisiana

>>597615

>not criticizing guy who posted video

Literally told him to go castrate himself. How did you miss that? Or do you need a license to see the offensive part of my comment?

Here's the newer innawoods guide I saved from a while back + some more dumps (probably quite a bit of overlap). For anons who actually can read..

What is the best permanent structure and why is it a stone hut?

>>597894

Looks comfy as fuck.

>>597894

Grew up in a place like that, it is a house not a hut, gfy.

>>597837

Nah I missed it, my bad.

Also got some of these guides

>>597894

I'm inclined to suggest an underground basement is better as long as you don't live in a flood area :s

>>592184

That is the single most woke ass shit I've read all year.

>>597668

>making resistant inserts for cars

While it's a fairly fun idea, however, how often people armed with 9mm are going to shoot the driver of a vehicle through the body-panels instead of windshield or side-windows? Well, I suppose you can make flak vests out of that stuff though.

>>597546

>bullet resistant walls

Sandbags lmao.

are those baobang worth to buy ? heard there was an infographic bout em , also , if im reading correctly, i need an permit for using radiowaves [wtf] is that even a thing ? you get the permit for 8 eurdolans, do i really need it ?

>>592119

The Defense&Freedom guy pretty fucking clueless outside of his narrow speciality and a huge retard when it comes to politics.

>>597948

>That skellington hand

>>597956

Depending on how heavy they are inserts only need to give you the minimum from the sides, think slat shaped on the sides, perhaps making them a little thicker would protect from more than handgun rounds?

Sandbags are fine but these things take up less room if your walls aren't already hollow, but its still a good point, maybe use them on doors? I'm thinking more in a passive "If someone breaks into your house I don't want to shoot someone in the next room" kinda way. Sandbags can be pretty heavy to, wouldn't want them upstairs either.

>>597970

as far as I know you aren't likely to be caught as long as you stay off important frequencies. I think its mainly for broadcasters? In any case getting a radio seams to be worth it just to receive news in a disaster when other stuff goes down. If you've got a group and you all have radios then it seams great. Smartphones might not work in an emergency ya'know?

>>597920

If it's one story, and just one big room it's a hut

>>597971

>pretty fucking clueless outside of his narrow speciality

Hence, "autist".

>and a huge retard when it comes to politics

Completely agree. He's the sort to think that all political disagreement comes from "fascists", and has said so repeatedly.

>>597988

You're still going to get shot through the windshield, and if you're in a vehicle while taking rifle fire you have fucked up bad. If you want a DIY bulletproof-vehicle then look up those VBIED's ISIS made in Iraq. Or just buy a mercedes that has been bulletproofed from the get go.

>>591111

The black market will set up a price for gold, that's for sure. Obviously not talking about total chaos, I'm talking more venezuela like.

If you were venezuelian, and you kept your money in silver/gold, obviously with a mean for defending it, with a strong family, then you'll never starve in such situation. You could even get out of your country very easily by paying the smuggler with gold.

Gold is an eternal currency. That's why china and Russia are buying every fucking piece of gold going through the market. Moreover, that's so fucking easy to move. You can hold a lot of value in a little bag.

And what is about this fucking meme about toilet paper holy shit. God, you seem to not understand wtf is SHTF if you value toilet paper. The only most valuable things in such situation are ammo, weapons, medicine and food/water. Every little piece of "comfort" like this is retarded.

Anyway, SHTF is so fucking random, you can so easily get robbed, or run leaving everything you have, that the only true important thing you can prepare, is having a great body, big family and competences. No one can steal your brain, nor your body, nor your family (well, there is still slavery, but that's another problem).

If you don't know how to shoot, how to gather food, how to filter water, how to build simple but useful tools that don't require electricity, how to manage stress, very hard situation, how to manage your family, to help them go through etc… Then ammo, gold or anything else is useless.

And don't ever think that you can be a lone wolf. You're just gonna get fucked. It's possible today to live alone, because of how easy it's to live in our society, but in history, people were always together, because of how it's needed to actually survive. That's why, in poor countries that still have strong family and community bond, there is no homeless people, because you always can be helped by someone.

>>594681

>>594739

CORRECTION REQUIRED

>>598224

>And what is about this fucking meme about toilet paper holy shit

good point anon

perhaps when shtf we can go over to the european model where we splash our tender assholes with a stream of water and pat it dry, it would be cheaper and more efficient in terms of asshole sanitation

thoughts on this???

>>598227

We need to claim all the way into the rockies. Why? Protect the water sources of the only country in this damned union that matters.

Also uranium fever

>>598224

>And what is about this fucking meme about toilet paper holy shit. God, you seem to not understand wtf is SHTF if you value toilet paper.

>why having large amounts of a commodity taken for granted which weighs next to nothing and doesn't take too much space that helps with being clean as well as having other uses is an important thing.

gee, i don't fucking know toothpasteman.

But please tell us about your ways to managing stress when you're taking a dump and there's nothing to wipe your ass with.

Well, at least you can murder people for their TP if you have weapons and ammo.

>>598273

Burger barbarians don't have war-time bidets?

After all water is widely available in bad times so there's no need to worry about jetstreaming your anus to sparkling cleanliness (^:

>>598295

>But please tell us about your ways to managing stress when you're taking a dump and there's nothing to wipe your ass with.

Bro, if it stresses you to clean your ass with water and your hand then clean it with soap, then seriously, you're not ready.

What kind of helmet should I get? The bump helmet is more expensive but I could use that for climbing or caving, while the level IIIA helmet can be found much, much cheaper except I'd only be able to use it when the war starts. I don't think I'll ever really get the chance to mount things on the bump helmet though either, which is another reason why I'm even looking at the ballistic helmet.

Also, what kind of food should I pack? MREs? I'm planning for internal unrest situations, not the apocalypse, so I'm thinking a week's worth of food or so.

Also also, anyone watching South Africa lately? Things could soon head South.

>>598295

>>598273

>>598306

There are times when Americanism makes well meaning Americans look incredibly, indefenisbly stupid. Like when you can hear someone say that ice cold Bud Light is "real beer' and better than that European stuff. Or when NASCAR is best racing and international GT is stupid. Or when you hear people bash bidets just because they aren't popular in America therefore must be stupid. Ya just gotta wonder sometimes…..

>>598172

Yeah I guess. Never heard about those vbieds, saved a bunch of the pics for design reference tho, so cheers.

>>598224

>>598295

If I run out of TP when camping I just find a bunch of smooth flat rocks and use those, y'know the kind you use for skipping across lakes? I imagine you could collect a bunch of those and wash them with boiling water if you have the luxury of time for it.

Also

>toothpasteman

my sides

>>598314

You should have all your other bases covered. You can store a few weeks worth of food in the fourm of canned meats and grains (like oatmeal and rice). Sort that shit out before worrying about armour.

If you are buying a helmet then buy one for protection, you can use a hat with a headlamp unless you have some special need for a FAST style helm. You can get bullet resistant ones to, like this one for example:

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/pgd-arch-high-cut-helmet-nij-iiia/58107

Seriously cover your food, water, guns, and electricity stuff before dropping a lot of money on armour tho. You can buy a years worth of canned meat for the same cost as the helmet I linked, or like 100 days of meals in the form of canned meats, fruit, rice, and oatmeal.

See the MRE thing I posted here for how to make your own mre's if you want more mobile meals.

>>597936

if unrest never comes then just rotate the used food out by eating it normally, and repeat.

>>598316

A bong, bidets seam kinda dumb when you have showers with movable heads on a hose.

>>598349

Smooth rocks. What else? leafs can't really be washed and fall apart with use.

>>598372

But then you need to wash your hands with soap?

>>598376

Just make more of it?

>>598355

>>598372

>not having that kodak click, snapshut arsehole that doesn't leave a trace in your undies

git gud fagets

>>598355

And this is why you carry enough shit tickets to last you three weeks.

>>598306

>Bro, if it stresses you to clean your ass with water and your hand then clean it with soap, then seriously, you're not ready.

>>598342

>I imagine you could collect a bunch of those and wash them with boiling water if you have the luxury of time for it.

>Wasting water in SHTF instead of having a stockpile of toilet paper that was cheap to acquire, and easy to stockpile when things were ok.

Sounds like a great idea.

Especially when there isn't really a moving source of water that's not polluted to shit and containing mutant or undead fish in large radius.

>>598429

What did people do before toilet paper was invented?

>>598342

I'm not a prepper, I'm not going to buy a year's worth of food, electrical or water supplies when I'm planning on fighting a mobile war. thanks for the input though, I'm a big fan of oatmeal actually so I'll be sure to have plenty of that on hand. That helmet you linked is probably what I'll end up getting then too.

>>597099

>>597111

Yeah we met up, pics in this thread >>595995

>>598441

Romans (and Greeks too, i think) had a sponge on a stick that was reusable and used by entire families.

Europeans who had a lot of forests used large patches of moss.

>>598442

A year's worth might be excessive in your case, but you can buy a lot for cheap. In a major emergency you will still need a decent amount, just plan and spread the stock around if you are going to be mobile. At Least out some thought into it. Bugging in is always better than bugging out if you can.

>>594739

>Utah

>not Deseret, Holy Nation of the Saints

Otherwise accurate, our Mormons will hold strong.

>>594739

>Free Colorado

Does that mean we exiled all the Californians that wanted to live in a cold California?

>>598910

They do change their name to that later canonically. When the radical party comes into power and decides to show the world that Mormonism is a religion of peace

Assuming the scenario is slowly getting worse and not all of a sudden. Suppose I make it to a 4 hour drive away middle of nowhere forest USA, near a water source, but not next to it.

Fire: should I conceal it at night, and how could I best do that? I wouldn't want to reveal my location to anyone.

Do I stand a chance alone if I had tons of food hidden?

>>599416

>Fire: should I conceal it at night, and how could I best do that? I wouldn't want to reveal my location to anyone.

Best not to use one. Or have a good shielding around it that reflects heat back to you and helps hide it. Don't do fires during the day. Look up a Dakota Fire Hole (if I remember the name right). Very useful.

>Do I stand a chance alone if I had tons of food hidden?

You need a reliable food source for when that runs out. Look up ways long term farming. Like the 3 sisters and similar. Also learning/knowing trapping can help for small meat gain. For hunting large game I have no idea.

>>599416

You can store a lot of food if you have access to clean water to prepare it with (thinking rice and oatmeal in particular). But like the other anon said you will need a long term way of producing it.

Bit of a weird question but what do you guys think about chewing gum? I brought some the other day and have noticed it might help with keeping my appetite down. Is this something we should be keeping in our meal kits?

>>599804

Chewing a gum when hungry or instead of food intake in general makes your brain recognize it as actual food and make stomach produce acids and stuff which can cause some serious problems like gastritis as they have nothing to digest. A small snack or energy bar is a lot better, having a drink can also help.

>>599804

Use green tea. Bit of a pain boiling water and such for it, but for some reason it's always satiated my appetite. Not to mention all the antioxidants and all that other good shit.

>>599813

Oh right never realised that, thanks for the advice.

>>599885

I don't really drink tea but making some in the morning along with normal breakfast should be more than doable, will keep an eye out when I next go shopping ^_^

>>599885

>assuming he has a Tea Kettle loicense

>the police haven't taken his illegal unlicensed kettle to halt crime

>he hasn't surrendered his assault boiler in a generous amnesty opportunity

>>600535

Its actually referred to as the boiling vessel licence and is just comes out as tax instead because they assume everyone needs to boil water :v

Anyway anyone know if horse riding boots would be any good as outdoor footwear? I already wear something similar but want something I could wear in normal civilian life to. Means I can drop more money on them to I guess.

I figure a pair without the zipper down the side would be best since the zipper could lelt in water, and since repairing them in a shtf situation could be impossible.

Pic related, similar to what i'm currently wearing, but twice as tall, I wouldn't trust them for proper outdoor use :s

>>600706

What the flying fuck. Harrison was right. Don't tell me they have a tax on your feet and boots now do they? To get those evil folks avoiding gasoline taxes to pay for roads?

>>600706

Jackboots are what you want, with hobnails and the iron heel. Might be a little odd for a bong to wear em though and they will absolutely ruin any hardwood floor.

>>600714

I was joking :v

The licence stuff only really applies to firearms, just most other European countries. Mock Asian countries instead :v

>>600733

Jackboots seam close to what I was thinking about, but fuck hobnails and iron heals. they're shit on pavement and make a fuck load of noise. I was thinking horse riding boots would be better since they tend to be taller, and easier to get than jackboots, whilst still being designed to be hard wearing? Or am I putting to much faith in the industry?

Varusteleka is the only place I've seen "modern" jackboots for sale, but their stock is sporadic and not being able to try them on in person means its costly to exchange them if they don't fit right.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/finnish-leather-jackboots-unissued/13546?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyuG8qZPk3AIVBbDtCh15IQ2-EAYYASABEgIXCvD_BwE

They also sell these but i'm thinking a taller boot would be better for moving through water or walking through mud?

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-biker-boots-black/57091

>>600737

When it comes to horse riding boots, they're specifically made for horse riding, not wandering around given how their soles are, in regards to jackboots without the nails and heel they kinda wear away breddy quick. Its tile you gotta be careful with them, pavement isn't bad what so ever, DAK boots don't come with the nails, just the heels if I recall. A pair of concoran jumpboots might actually be up your alley if knee high boots seem a bit much for you. With the former two you'll have to find the shit reenactors recommend and use given my boots were custom made ten years back and still are good, the concorans they still make as they were back when.

>>600738

Is reenactment gear up to scratch though? I know varusteleka have their own modern copy of the corcoran boots but i'm looking for higher leg ones if that's a possibility. Again, these are mostly going to be used in civilian life unless an INCH situation happens, in which case I want boots that can last. I just don't want to spend £££ on a pair that I will only use when hiking and camping otherwise.

Just checked the riding boots I was looking at getting but didn't realise how thin the soles were,you've probably saved my ass pointing out how quickly they would wear. I could maybe get a Cobbler to resole a pair but that seems extreme if what I'm looking for exists. Jackboots seam pretty close to what I want, but to short with all the ones I've seen, and lacking adjustment straps like the boot in the image of >>600706

>>600782

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_boot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_boot

>>600784

Engineer boots seem to be exactly what i'm looking for as long as they aren't "fashion" shoes. Cheers dude ^_^

Shit's gonna probably hit the fan in Poland. Locally, nothing with much of an impact on the world I guess.

Why in Poland? Well, PiS is destroying our economy by implementing all the social welfare programmes (500+, 300+), which also destabilise the society, as the lower class generally is absolutely dependent on those programmes. And not for the reasons those programmes were intended to make people dependent, for fucks sake, most families use that money to pay for their booze and cigs or shit like electronics. So, when the economy goes to hell and there is no more money to continue the welfare bullshit, the lower classes will overthrow the government by sheer amount of people there are in the lower classes of the society. We probably gonna become the next Greece after that. Or possibly something even worse.

And no, EU won't help us, they don't give a shit about us. It gon be a failed state sooner or later.

And (((they))) seem to know it's all going downhill. (((They))) are semi-secretly passing a bill to take our guns away, as scarce as they are anyway, covering it up by creating a huge buzz for MSM, to make them busy, so the masses don't see what they're up to.

Sooner or later, fellow polanons, we are going to be knee deep in shit.

>>601312

Welcome to the rest of the western world poland.

>>601314

Yeah we're always late to the party. We even have a couple of words o wisdom about that.

"A w Polsce? W Polsce jak w lesie."

"Sto lat za murzynami"

We are, in fact, the Mexico of Europe. We might not get destroyed by goatfuckers, buuuut our loving government will fuck us up internally instead. Fuck this gay ass shit, I think I'mma Into the Wild out of this bitch.

>>601312

>tfw all 600k poles living here will claim asylum

>tfw they still will refuse to learn English

>>601312

> (((They))) are semi-secretly passing a bill to take our guns awa

Proofs?

Any suggestions on underwear? My boxers got bunched up when I went on a 7 mile hike. I don't want to deal that too during SHTF.

>>601366

Get yourself a manly kilt and never look back.

>>601356

>>601312

Fug, I found it.

Parszywce i Syjoniści getting poland up from its knees, limiting gun ownership for 100th anniversary of regaining independence, FUCKING BASTE

>>601380

Yep, they wanna even make us have to register black powder firearms. Because fuck freedom, because fuck being able to defend our homes and livelihoods. Good thing that we still can own tools, when SHTF I'll gladly sink my axe in some brainlet's skull.

>>600782

The expensive/autistic shit is. There is no tism like reenactment tism.

>>601406

You wouldn't happen to have taken your guns with you to mazury and lost them on śniarwdy, now would you?

horrible loss if that happened.

>>601328

Anecdotal but

The poles here (South Wales) seam to at least be good workers, at least compared to the muds. Not that this place isn't going downhill with our authoritarian government and all~

>>601380

>Limiting gun ownership in the name of freedom

It almost seems like they want people to call out a contradiction.

>>601366

Boxers a shit. Get the tighter kind. That's it.

>>601407

Being expensive seams to defeat the point. The engineer/biker boots >>600784 mentioned seam to be the evolution of jackboots, and come in the long but adjustable length i need ;w;

>>601541

Engineer boots tend to be shorter due to their origins, red wings might have something. About cost, anything made to last these days costs a pretty penny.

Any info or experience with binoculars/monoculars? I imagine they'd be useful tools for scouting/travel during cataclysm.

I've been thinking of getting a monocular because they're lighter, smaller, and cheaper than a set of binocs. I'm not too concerned with the downsides that I know of such as increased eyestrain and lower FOV.

Some recommendations would be nice too.

>>601674

Plenty of places seem to be selling them in longer lengths. As for cost £100-300 seams to be decent, considering I've been paying around £50 for boots that last a year otherwise.

>>601859

You might as well just use an adjustable optic (assuming you are using a rifle) if you aren't going to bother with binoculars. The main downside between using monos and bi's are that bi's tend to be much longer range from what I've heard.

Lacking any better thread to put this in,

https://archive.is/or9GF

"wasnt allowed to inspect" …

…

… Insert drugged looking pupper asking "wut?"

Oh, right. CIA wanted their borrowed / stolen equipment back before anyone could really look it over. This strengthens my personal conviction that one shot Paddy never touched a firearm at all that day.

Does NIR compliant matter much? I'm thinking about switching to Finlands M05 as my concealment pattern and have the option of getting most of it in NIR compliant materials if I want. Is it something to worry about?

>>602936

TBQH, only if the enemy has modern NVGs.

Most untreated nylon practically glows under NVGs though.

>>603134

Oh is it only Nylon that glows? Is regular cotton and wool fine?

The rucksack I got just happens to be nir compliant, so I figure I just need an NIR compliant poncho (which also acts as my camo) and i'm suddenly fine.

I'm more thinking if it's really worth it, like how likely are enemies (weather military or civilian) to have them?

>>603445

Wool is generally great, cotton can be rather bright depending on the dye, but theres no way to tell without looking at it in NIR.

If you can get NIR compliant material, you may as well get it rather than the regular stuff.

Be sure to avoid starch and optical brighteners- avoid anything that claims it gives you "whiter whites" or brighter colours to wash it. Eco-detergents made of natural shit are usually pretty good, if you can get blackwash detergent (designed for black clothes) that's best.

Basically, you want to avoid optical brighteners, which most detergents have these days, because it will wreck the NIR treatment and then you glow under NVGs, and get your ass shot/eaten by cannibal thugs if SHTF or whatever.

>>603548

any laundry soap aimed at hunters, or recommended by hunters, should be okay. Similar concerns, as deer can see into the ultraviolet a little ways, and "brighter brights" glow at night in prey's eyes too.

>>600706

If your going to to wear pull on boots try using foot wraps. They fill out the heel apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK67zXzwngA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJCGS9FGz9U

>>603548

Pretty much won't be washing the stuff since its only my rucksack and poncho that are going to be visible (as a top layer) in theory. Good to know on the off chance I get other NIR stuff though :o

>>603562

Ah yes I've heard of those before. Was already planning on using them as a top layer with more comfortable socks underneath :)

Trying to figure out if it would be better to make my own footwraps, or just wait until Varusteleka gets some Finnish/NVA ones back in stock.

I'm hoping to get a pair that ends just above my calf that closes with a buckle so that they don't sag down.

Good channel by the way, Lars seams like a cool dude.

Anti flood post

>>594681

GIB MILKIES

>>592184

The seatbelt point is really good but this still comes off as a boomer moldy labia pasta

>>604482

Here's a better version of the herbs that heal and some other stuff about gardening I didn't see in the thread

>>604646

>Soybeans

>>594739

>PA

>part of the empire state

not even once

Okay, faggots, have a freebie

I present to you the best recipe for moonshine THAT WON'T MAKE YOU GO BLIND

It's been passed down through generations in my family, so it's well tested and pretty much foolproof, although I know what you retards are capable of, so I do not take any responsibility for your stupidity.

Now, moonshine can be really fucking useful when SHTF. Not only you can drink it, you can also barter with it and use it as a dissinfectant. And it's cheap as fuck to make.

First of all, you need a good still. Preferably one with a thermometer and fractioning columns. You generally won't need more than one fractioning column alongside the cooling system, but trust me, you'll waste much less of the good stuff this way and it will be of cleaner quality.

And if the cops come asking, tell them it's for distilling water and that you don't know anything about distilling alcohol. Anyway, here goes, all the units are in metric, convert them yourself, lazy ass fag

<"1410"

>1KG SUGAR, 4L WATER, 10DG (100G) YEAST

Use regular food yeast. It will make as good of a booze as actual wine yeast, wine yeast works a little faster though.

Now, the sugar won't really like to dissolve in this quantity in cold water. So heat it up, mix the syrup with more cold water to make it warm, not too cold, so the yeast will start working and not too hot so the yeast doesn't get cremated like a jew in Auschwitz. Keep that concoction in any container you want, glass is preferable, but you are going to distill it anyway, so who cares. Just make sure to close it and put one of those wine making bubble tubes in the cork/lid/whatever the fuck you wanna use, so you don't accidentally make yourself more vinegar you'll know what to do with.

Now wait about 14 days until the yeast stops doing it's thing. Get your ass a BLG meter and start checking if there's any sugar left in it at around the 8 day mark. If there is, add more yeast, wait some more time and keep checking the sugar level. It should be as low as possible. Now, a neat trick if the yeast didn't want to start eating the sugar and shitting out the alcohol- grab some fucking tomato paste and squeeze it in the mix. Stir it around to dissolve it, those little niggers will get right to work when they get their shot of potassium and sodium.

>DISTILLATION

Pour all of the mix into your still, or at least as much as it can hold if it's a smaller one, although it's generally harder to distill smaller batches, as shit gets too hot too quickly and it burns. Turn the fire on, or start one under the still. A gas burner would be ideal for controlling the temperature easily, but if you are feeling like blowing your house up, put it in a fireplace.

Now, you remember that little thermometer I told you about? Yeah. Look at it. Assuming you haven't blown yourself up already and hooked up the cooling properly, you should start to see some clear liquid dripping at around 64-65 celsius. Now, don't drink that shit, that's methanol. Store it for later, in a jar or whatever. It's all about temperature control. Typically around 250ml of methanol should come out for the said batch, but watch the temp, if it starts rising it means that methanol is basically no more. From 78 to around 84-85 you've got your good shit. The shit you're after, ethanol. Store it. When the temp raises above around 85 celsius, switch out the vessel for another jar, or the one which has methanol in it, unless you've got a better use for the methanol.

Turn off the heat, collect whatever else drips out of the still and empty out the fractioning column. Don't drink that gunk though, it's even worse than methanol. Dump whatever is left in the still.

Now, another key is patience. Don't rush it, it HAS to go slow. Yet another tip, better get a little less product if you aren't an experienced moonshiner than to go blind because you switched out your methanol vessel for the ethanol one too early or too late after ethanol stops dripping.

And now the uses for all the waste. Apart from being a pretty decent paint remover you can also use it as a firestarter. And a weed killer. Or anything-killer, really, whatever drinks it will die. Unless, as I said, you know your chemistry and have a good use for methanol.

That's all, folks, I hope you find this knowledge useful one day. Don't blow yourself up, faggots, or I'll have to pour one out next time I drink.

>>605427

As plentiful as alcohol is, that sounds like more of a microbrew/amateur sort of thing. Good stuff though.

>>605427

>"1410"

Ok this is a meme

Even fucking kids in poland know the "1410" recipe

>>605586

>Ok this is a meme

Explain?

>>605671

>Explain?

Its just a basic recipe, everybody in poland knows it because its a spin on a important historical date for polish people (1410 Grunwald Battle).

There are tons of better moonshire recipes but this one is just well known because the date is famous therefore "1410"

>>605586

True, it's somewhat well known in Poland, but we're on /k/ mate. And not many /k/ommandos are Polish. Also, I bet you didn't know bout the tomato paste trick.

And all that 'meme' thing… Does it really matter if it works? Let the other streloks know that recipe, after all when SHTF we gonna have to work together somehow against the zogbots and the remains of governments.

>>605685

Ah I get it. That's OK then- I was thinking it was one of those bullshit fake info things like those "crystal growing" infographics.

Always good to have multiple ways of doing the same thing.

>>594739

>splitting the South into five parts

>giving the Confederate successor state a nigger-infested capital

>not having Virginia annex its rightful WV territory

>not having Texas invade and cleanse up to Mexico City

>Arixo

End my suffering.

Anyone got the strelok ham guides by anon?

>>606950

New v0.6

Most of the radio interest seems to be in this thread, so I'll post it here.

>>606977

>>607038

thanks anons

>>594739

>Crimson Skies

Mein neger

>>606235

It's just one speculation anon, and it was written before soros decided to drive and even larger wedge into the race divide. Atlanta is a complete shitheap, but don't think for a moment that if shtf then bubba and cletus won't be tossing niggers into a mass grave for days.

Baofeng guide for the non-autists among us

>>608557

This is true, but once things start to break down in a couple of years it will be easier. The red v blue war games operator basically let it slip that purging any city of its nigs turns it into paradise, so just make sure you have the means of helping those local efforts when they begin.

>>598471

>tfw there's fellow LIfrens

I gotta get myself on the map

>>608789

This is relevant to my interests.

>>608940

You really should. Long Island is the only part of the tristate area that's still somewhat white on the east/central side. You're gonna want to need help. Even better to make a pilgrimage to Pennsylvania, and meet a strelok there for "cooperation."

>>608941

Its just a few pages from the full strelok ham guide. Bullshitting with them with friends would teach you much more than any amount of theory.

there was some thread on here about static defenses, like a house or some such, but i cant find the bloody thing, so i figured this thread is the next best thing.

basically, this would be how i would set up an entryway for defense against a breach and clear, or really, any attempt at forced entry. the gaps in the sand bags would only be wide enough for a single person to sidle through, and certainly not with any kit on. for a quick exit, id have one of the sides rigged up with supports in such a way, that one would only have to pop out 2-3 2x4s and have the entire wall collapse. the door would obviously be reinforced itself, so any friendlies outside could get in and close it before entering through the gaps. any advice, or "thats fucking goddamn stupid, read this or youre a fucking idiot"?

>>605199

im pretty sure that in a suitably active lifestyle, like a shtf situation would entail, soybeans probably arent all that bad if you dont use them as a staple.

>>608789

>>606977

Adding on to this a digital mode that's been getting a lot of attention lately: FT8Call. It's a modification of the FT8 mode created in response to the low solar activity we've been seeing lately. It's a text mode that's meant to be picked up at very low SNR and is of interest to Streloks as a way to get information across long distances under sub-optimal circumstances, solar or otherwise.

Also if any /k/ommandos have feedback or suggestions on >>607038 I'd be interested– what you'd like me to expand on, what you'd like me to write new sections on, general topics you like, etc. Gonna start a section on amateur radar and compile a list of further reading and useful files. If nobody has any suggestions or much interest that'll be 1.0 and I'll leave it at that.

>>609646

I don't give a shit about any protocol I can't use without a baofeng and andflmsg. Those two and a OTP style system would keep cianiggers guessing during a shtf scenario. I'm not going to spend ~200burgers on some bullshit dmr that gets no play when ham is already a ghost town. bpsk125x12 is plenty fast for radiograms or quick terminal style messages, but I'm open to suggestions for more error proof protocols at the cost of speed.

>>581309

silver/gold (((investments))) are really only for the super rich that already have so much food/ammo/shit that they don't know what else to spend their money on. If you already have all the supplies/land/knowledge you could ever conceivably need, THEN you can worry about gold/silver

>>610096

This guy gets it. Skills are the most valuable not only in SHTF, but in any situation. Knowing how to fight, how to heal, how to grow food etc.. is invaluable.

>>610170

Seconding this.

In a total disaster people won't want gold/silver if everyone is starving and thirsty.

Its only applicable in a low level situation (lets say you lose your house but have your gold in a safety deposit box or somewhere safe. but even in that case you should have a vehicle you can live in, or enouth normal money to buy a new home/stay at a hotel until you can get a new one.

Skills and essential supplies are worth their weight in gold when gold would be comparatively worthless. So unless you get the shit for free its worthless buying any when you can use that money on more important things.

Any anons have experience with solar cookers? Seems like a good investment.

>>610210

You need a really sunny day to get some sort of use out of it. You're better off digging a hole and burning shit in it.

>>610210

It genuinely works, I tried it. Cooked a steak to perfection, it just took twice as long as a girl.

>>604482

Do you sauce the website for that healthy/unhealthy pic?

>>610225

how long does it normally take to cook a girl?

>>610289

If anyone in the US wants a Baofeng, get it now, FCC is blocking imports and sales of non-compliant sets. This will also apply to any other brand of two-way VHF/UHF sets not in compliance.

http://archive.is/1JB7g

>>581309

If you don't smoke I suggest buying cigarettes and extra bullets rather than any meme currency. You can trade cigarettes for a profit every time because you will never use your own supply and will hold onto it much much longer than someone who uses them. Bullets will be the future currency, mostly because they're always useful, same with water and things like chocolate.

I say learn to bake, people are gonna love someone that can turn the shit people leave behind in grocery stores into something pre-world delicious. Maybe I'm just trying to justify my own faggy hobby though.

On a side note, subcompact vs full size? I was thinking of getting a p320 subcompact because you can always carry it as a backup and it doesn't affect load very much while still having a 10+ capacity.

>>616833

Alcohol, tobacco,and firearms isn't just an agency, they are trade items during a crisis, especially the tobacco and alcohol. With all the guns in the US and if you are in a place where there is relative stability, guns and ammunition values could be greater or lessor. However, cases of whiskey and cartons of cigarettes will always be of incredible trade value in any emergency. When things get dry, what woulnd't a lot of thirsty men trade for a bottle? The jonesing cigarette smoker would trade a lot for a pack.

In all reality, coffee won't fetch the same kind of trade value, but in a potential (if unlikely) long term scenario, other minor things like coffee might have surprising value. People think hard about necessary survival food, but what about sugar? Salt is cheap and valuable, if not for trade simply self use, you might be surprised how rare it might get in that same unlikely scenario. All these things can be stockpiled safely, and were always traded as well sought after general commodities forever because they are always in demand, always will. Salt for necessary salt intake, to preserve fresh meat and other things, all valuable for potential trade and use. When you have plenty of it, you don't think about it. When you don't have it, it will potentially ruin you.

I'm an ancient old thing, so I think old. But at the same time this old thinking was generally survival and functional based and centered. Alcohol, tobacco, tea, coffee, sugar, salt, these things will always sell and always have value. Even if you don't trade in when the apocolypse never happens, just use up your stockpile on yourself, at the very least you'll end up using it.

>>616884

Yeah. I heard in a video once that sugars and spice will make a return as one of the big trading industries of the postpoc world. International trade will either be hindered or dead and big profit will come from imported and factory-produced goods that won't be available anymore.

Also, in that same video I had heard 'skills' as an important one. I personally buy hard into this, I know how to suture and I'm getting my pilot's license. As much as I don't like being on federal lists I rely on them being incompetent and not being marked as a risk just because I know how to fly a plane and have some ATF certificates.

>>616773

First it was the chink guns, now it's the chink radios, how can american industry compete with slave labour?

enslave spics

But I already got my UV-5r and 82hp, so i'm good.

>>582422

>first image

>smirnoff starting fires

It has to be at least 50% abv I think

>>616887

Machining, casting, mechanical knowledge, even as something as old as blacksmithing might be useful, welding, carpentry, joinery, first aid, nursing, plumbing, electrical knowledge, old crafts like knowing how to make wood shingles or create pine rosin and pitch, classical agricultural knowledge, knowing how to make soap out of fat and ash, ect., a long line of potentially useful (perhaps not always useful depending on the situation and shortages) that could be useful to yourself or others.

Another thing about the classic world was that those people lived in chronic shortages of everything forever. My feudal nature leads me to store plenty of food and supplies for the siege that will never come, its my nature. The old fashioned peasant or pioneer had the rough skills to survive, like an old farmer from not too many decades past, or some still retain the general set of skills where they weren't masters, but knew enough to save money or get by.

Knowing how to cut wood, what wood to cut, the most efficient ways to burn it, how to use byproducts, how to do nigger rig welding and bolting to make machinery function, how to stop gap fix leaks in hoses or in roofs and houses, how to cobble things together. Their self sufficient nature lead them to being perhaps master at one thing, but a jack of all trades they were "ok" at in others, when they could get by, and this mentality and "ok" diverse skill set could prove useful to survival/trade in a potential long term crisis.

Many rural folks even today hold these old fashioned skills as hobbies, or still practice whatever self sufficient acts they can. Besides being closer to food, as well as being where the population density is low, they are closer to their roots of self sufficiency and resource management.

In all things considered, any useful PRACTICAL skill would be of some value. Don't be some soi boi who only knows how to work a compooter or do office work.

>>616899

My grand-dad was a foreman but all he really passed to me was basic construction. I like being a jack though, too many people specialize for the global idea and end up lost when their single skill doesn't have any demand. I'm doing mechanic stuff and branching out in those directions. Wish I knew more about guns and ammo, though my work with explosives is pretty high tier. Home chemistry is severely underappreciated and hard to track down.

>>616899

Ah damn got caught up in myself forgot to even add to the conversation: I think machinery will still be mostly operational, so I think trades like being a mechanic or operating heavy construction equipment might still even be useful if you can find the fuel for it.

>>616908

>if you can find the fuel for it.

Knowing how to do shit like turn used cooking oils into diesel or tune engines to run on alcohol (or wood gas) would make you worth your weight in gold, or whatever you'd use as currency post-collapse.

>>617063

You know, they turned sewer waste into cooking oil in china. Maybe some sort of methane-based engine cycling? I'm not an expert but something for an expert to ruminate on, there'll be shitloads of it- quite literally.

>>617252

It's not the sewage, they just collect the flushed away used cooking oil out of the sewer and reuse it. Look up the fat icebergs in London and stuff.

>>588678

Did you even read the bosnia account?

Find a group of people, and get lots of guns. The rest will be be acquirable.

Alone on a bike you only have to fuck up once and you're fucked. With a group of people there's more room for flex.

Has anyone built and then tested their BOBs? Anyone try to survive in the woods for a month no support? I can't imagine it'd be easy to do

How useful would having a Dog be in a SHTF Scenario? Already planning on getting one when I have my own property but good to consider.

>>617373

I haven't done it yet but I know regular testing is something that should be done.

I think, depending on what you're trying to do, dogs can hurt and help you. They require food and water, they're loud, and not all breeds can fight, but if you want a food-powered alarm system, to hunt down birds you've shot, find prey, etc. You'll have to train one, basically, for your purposes.

>>617373

What >>617413 said about testing is true, about dogs and testing equipment. I'm mainly testing my stuff out by taking it on camping trips. Found out my French F1 tent was way to fucking heavy even at half a load, let alone a full one. Also spent a lot on a few different rucksacks before settling on my current one.

First pack was a swedish LK35 with an external frame. Its a great rock solid pack that I'm not using every day as a civilian general purpose bag. But it didn't come with a hip belt, and even overpacked is pretty small compared with larger stuff. My sleeping bag for example would fill half the thing. I now own like 3 of these packs for the utility and durability alone.

After that I got a huge 120L British bergin with the side pouches. It didn't have a frame like the LK35 did so carrying it with weight was painful. It had a hip belt that turned out to be useless without the older british yoke/webbing.

My current pack is an Finish RP80 from Varusteleka. Its got a hip belt that works, lots of room inside, and PALS webbing all over it so I can carry a lot more stuff when i need to. I also replaced my old heavy tent and replaced it with a DD SuperLight Pyramid Tent & pegs. I'm hoping that its simplicity will make up from what i would think are weaker materials. Also got a new fiskars hatchet, and puukko knife.

Planning on testing out the new stuff as soon as a get a decent pair of boots since my current ones are falling apart.

Eventually i'm planning on spending a month living off the bag as a final test. Currently a uni student so I have the luxury of getting most of the summer off. Don't really see an opportunity to really test an INCH when i'm working properly :s

>>617842

>My sleeping bag for example would fill half the thing.

Can't you sew clips/make an attachment point on the bottom of the bag? That's usually where people would put their sleeping shit, right where their ass is. Also proof that sewing is an underappreciated skill. Modifying equipment in the field and repairs of all equipment, cloth included, is essential.

Unfortunately I'm a poorfag that buys discount ALICE packs and keeps every laptop bag I come across. Messenger bags feel nice and light compared to daypacks but the lack of space is a huge issue.

>>592184

>"Please keep 3 days of food and water MINIMUM in case of unforseen tragedy"

Red Cross recommendation, which nearly every civil protection service on the planet refers to, are way above that.

3 day food and water are their recommendation for EVACUATION supplies.

Not in household supplies.

In household supplies it's 2 fucking weeks of food minimum.

Most government on the planet just assume people have TWO WEEKS of food in their home.

Emergency services will first and foremost focus on water supplies (be it fixing an existing network or shipping it), they will not start to think about food (outside baby food) until the time it might become problematic AKA 2 weeks (as people won't die from starvation even if they go 2 weeks without eating as long as they have water. Starvation ISN'T FUN). In a condition were roads loads are limited and you suddenly have to ship 1 gallon of water per person per day, water typically takes all the logistic place available.

If you're hit by the most common disasters, shit weather related (flood/terrain slide/storm), the government almost never issue evacuation notices (because looting, riots, etc) outside of the worst of it.

They do the opposite and ask people to stay at home… Because they assume people have the supplies for it!

Now sure having a bunker in the mountains is another story, but the fact is most people don't have the supplies the fucking GOVERNMENT tells you to have because that's what THEY plan their emergency relief efforts around.

And before you go "2 weeks is a lot, they will have fixed things in a couple of days", sure… but I have personally see one (storm + rockslides) that cutoff tens of thousands of people for… 6 months.

Yes in continental France.

Had this shit happen in tourist season it would have been HUNDREDS of thousands of people.

Because once a main roads is gone, as in a couple kilometers (total) fell of a cliff (in several places) and took the cables with them and the ground is still unstable as fuck… it doesn't get fixed by snapping your fingers.

It takes a couple of days for the emergency generators and water to be airlifted in, 5 or 6 to (temporary) fix the power lines (note that was before EDF turned into a for profit private entity, today it wouldn't be that fast), 10 days for the government to manage to get a proper supply train going (using the back roads… that they will close and reserve for their own usage) and months to do the heavy work needed to repair and get back to normal.

>>617892

When I had that heavy F1 tent that would normally fill up the bottom straps, and an inflatable sleeping mat on top. The LK35 is a perfect bag for many things, but just doesn't have the capacity to hold the amount of stuff an iNCH setup would needs. On my RP80 (see pic), i'm using those straps on the lower front part (Below that drag handle) to hold my sleeping bag. Its light and bulky enouth to be better outside the pack, it just doesn't compress well enouth. ALICE packs are good to. My tent is so small and light that it can be put pretty much anywhere on/in the pack now. The bottom of the pack could still be used to lash stuff, especially with the frame shelf I guess.

I'm thinking about using messenger bags as supplementary food bags. In a low level situation I figure an extra few weeks worth of food per bag would be worth the weight if I don't need the lightest kit posible. Laptop bags specifically might not be the best bags to carry though, looks wise at least.

>>617928

Aside from the people who are too poor to actually keep that much food in their home, I've never understood why people wouldn't keep stocked up anyway. It should only take a few snow days to hammer the point across that you need to keep a decent amount of food. The second you put your life in the hands of someone else is the second you open yourself up to failure. Some people are just stupid in this sense, and even after going through a situation like this still won't get the point.

>>618072

>Aside from the people who are too poor to actually keep that much food in their home,

Take this from a guy who's lived in poverty, 'healthy is expensive' comes from people who either have no self control or will power to eat something that doesn't taste like candy.

You can buy discount, 40 cent canned food or even get it for FREE from food drive places, and you can eat once a day if you have the grit for it. That means you only need 14 cans, which is 7$. One trip to mcdonalds.

A big ass water container is probably the more expensive thing you'll buy, and of course you'll need a backup propane tank or battery to cook with unless you plan on starting a fire in the house.

Even with that said, tortillas and bread loafs are like 89 cents a pack. Could go down the dry food route.

>>618233

Oh yeah i know that. I'm talking about an extreme example, people who really are living on the absolute edge. Possibly those without an income.

But yeah totally agree on the healthy is expensive bullshit. Food is food, rice and other staples are dirt cheap. You won't be worrying about healthy food in a bad situation.

The tortillas I have have a long ass best before date on them, but bread in my experience doesn't last more than a few weeks max without freezing.

If there's nothing else to add to the food topic, then how about clothing?

i've been wanting to overhaul my clothes from cheap surplus stuff to Varustelekas wool stuff for awhile now, but the latist desgin seams to be moving away from the ruggedness of thier last desgin

Compare the new one: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-tst-woolshell-jacket/59958

To the old one: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-m16-wool-jacket/34487

Am I worrying about something superficial, or should I wait awhile and see how coustermour feedback is on these things?

Anyone here thinking about getting these by any chance?

>>618072

>messenger bags/Laptop bags for food

Don't do it, they will cut into your shoulders over longer periods of time and give you inflamed muscles and shoulder/neck pain.

Used them during my late school days to carry my books and food, all in all less than 5kg and they fucked up my shoulder/neck area good for a long time until I made the connection.

And it wasn't a cheap bag, but a really good one with a nice wide padded shoulder strap.

>>618382

I had the same experience when I was in school. Remember a local paper company getting sued because their shoulder bags fucked up their workers to much even.

I meant only as supplemental bags to pad out your food supply. Only for people who are bugging out/away on foot. If you have a car or something them it doesn't matter as much.

Filled with canned food and water? Yeah fuck that. But with bulky blocks of noodles, and other comparatively light food? Seams worth it if you only have to carry them for a day. Hell, strap them to your rucksack if that makes them easier to carry. Extra weight is fine if you know you don't need to cover much ground I geuss.

>>618382

>~10lbs

>messenger/laptop bag

You fucked up. It fucked you up because you used it in an inappropriate manner. Shoulder bags are fine provided you actually use them for what they're designed for, mine don't bother me due to me not cramming in a million god damned things into them and if I so choose to do so they've all got belt loops/attach to belts no problem if that is the case.

I'd like to get an evaluation on just how good/fucking terrible/meh of an idea the following is: small skateboard/kick-scooter kept in cubicle for downtown office worker who carpools.

The basic gist of it is that I work in a downtown environment about 20 miles in a direct line from my house, 25 if I follow roads and avoid blatantly treacherous terrain. I carpool 2/3 times a week, where I don't have access to my emergency bag and supply cache in my car, because fuck gas prices and wear and tear. I keep an emergency, non-military style bag in my cube with no suspicions from my liberal coworkers, with enough food, water and misc supplies to last 2-3 days of hiking.

Many of said liberal coworkers have skateboards/kick scooters they use to get around the immediate urban environment around my office, and keep them in their cubicles, so if I do the same there'd be no weird looks. I've seen some of them using skateboards small enough to be strapped to a backpack that are still capable of bearing both their and their work/gym bag's weight.

If I lock a bike to an outside bike rack, at best it'd have to sit there semi-permanently as I won't be able to take it on the carpool, and I'd have the car on the other days. At worst, somebody's going to steal it. Would having a skateboard/kickscooter to move faster on the parts of my hike that have suitable terrain for it and save me some time and energy be a good idea? Or is it just a stupid pipe dream?

>>597970

This one?

>>618830

From what I've seen their utility is pretty good if you don't already have powered transport.

Here's a video I watched the other day where I found out about the things for the first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M_d7EIaXV4&list=LLtJqaNLxrr3rJTYWbsKiHHQ&index=44&t=0s

In the video they mention an app that lets you rent them. If they have them in your area then you can try them out before buying I guess

Really don't know about their utility in a shtf situation though, and since they run out of juice (Which is less available than petrol stations when compared with cars afaik)

>>618951

I'm thinking of buying unidens or midlands.

Are they worth looking at?

The waterproof or resistant "long" range ones.

>>619222

For a static or semi-mobile scanner I'd recommend an SDR for $20. If you want a HT at a pricepoint above the Baofengs I've heard nice things about the FT-60R at $170. FT60R also receives a really nice portion of the band– contiguous from 108-520 and then 700-1000MHz sans cell signals.

Is a semi auto 12 gauge the perfect defense gun for a poorly trained man? The main problem with shotguns is carry weight, but that's not a problem in defense. Another problem is lack of penetration on plates and such, but in a shtf situation people won't be wearing Armour. The benefit is a much higher hit count.

>>601328

>>tfw all 600k poles living here will claim asylum

>>tfw they still will refuse to learn English

Nigger, you're being overrun by shitskins who gang rape your daughters and who intend to turn Britain into northern arabia… and you're bitching about having an influx of white europeans?

I'll trade you every one of those polish immigrants, one for one, for the mestizo filth we have invading here. we're also running a "free nigger" promotion, where you can have as many as you like

>>616833

>If you don't smoke I suggest buying cigarettes and extra bullets rather than any meme currency.

1) Cigarettes are a perishable item/get stale. They are also insanely highly taxed. The "desperate smoker" is a meme. Nicotine physical withdrawal is finished within 2-3 weeks of cessation.

2) Be careful who you arm when there is no rule of law. I don't keep ammo as a trade item for that reason.

Shelf stable food in bulk and OTC meds (antidiarrheals, laxatives, allergy meds, fever reducers/pain relievers) are probably a better bet to stockpile for trade.

So, uh, we are all in agreeance on the IFF and won't be murdering each other for canned goods post-event? Wearing my meme shit won't get me shot by streloks?

>>619512

Everyone on this shithole board will quickly backstab each other.

Remember that you have no friends. Nobody has friends. "Friends" are just people who'll just fuck you over a little later than sooner. Or sooner if they see you have plenty of supplies to loot.

Hell, I bet most people here would shoot each other just because it's funny or because you're a mutt.

>>619516

Eh, probably right.

>mutt

Do you have some sort of internet-based form of Tourette syndrome?

>>596753

>TFW no other northeastern Indiana Anons

>TFW no other north western Ohio snobs

You fags all seem to live in the city.

What do you guys think of keeping stores of honey as opposed to or in conjunction with sugar? Before sugar, honey was the major sweetener, and it has a theoretically indefinite shelf life since you can rehydrate crystals.

>>619512

Anon, you don't just post these thing anonymously on an imageboard, you make such a deal personally, preferably with a person you know and trust. Wearing meme shit might help you, just like it would help you being white, though if you're going to be shot at, it'll likely from the distance from which you can't see these things. Better just make some contacts beforehand, find a group, friends that will be useful and not cumbersome, do not be that way yourself and do not listen and reply to the sperg. The best scenario would be for at least one of your group to have some hideout that is far enough and secluded and easy to defend and stock most supplies there, as well as train or at least plan the order of things.

>>619600

Honey is good, sugar is fine, bees are better. Honey is good for not only shelf life but for keeping other food in it(like jerky) and treating woulds. Sugar is easier to use and couples with wider array of foods, though, imho.

>>605199

>the estrogen in soy is the same as the estrogen in women

Since we are nearing the end of this threads life cycle is there anything new people think should be in the next OP?

>>619603

Adding to what this rus said, on the IFF bit might be an idea to add something about coming up with an iff within your group (and that you should be trying to found/join said group)?

And on the point of IFF

>Flecktarn or modox gear

>Steel/Kevlar helmet with "/k/" on sides or front

>/k/ related patches on carriers, hats or pauldrons (a la peace walker/mgs5)

>Visible 8 of diamonds or 4 of clubs

>Nationalist paraphernalia and flags

>Green, blue and/or purple tape/cloth around bicep

Are you supposed to have ALL that as IFF, or just one? Specifically on camouflage, it seems counter productive to wear stuff that is easy to see when you aren't trying to be seen. And when you aren't trying to be seen, wearing stuff that's openly military seams like its not the best idea, unless you are part of a group that are all wearing it.

And on specific patterns, as good as the two listed are, isn't it better to taylor what pattern you wear to your environment?

Supplies

>Paper plates and cups

Why?

Might be a good idea to reorder the supply bit in order of importance

>air? (Gas Masks+filters?)

>water

>food

>Shelter

>weapons

>First aid

>Copper, silver, gold

Maybe take these off/put at bottom. Stress other more important supplies first

>>619651

The problem with the estrogens in plants is not that they are exactly the same as human estrogen.

The plant estrogens are weaker overall than the estrogen made by the human body. They use the same receptors though. So while the human male body may not produce enough estrogen to max out your receptors, eating lots of plant estrogens will cause them to stick to the receptors and net you more estrogen than typical.

Eating one serving of soybeans is not going to cause you to grow tits and turn gay. Its when you ingest it for long periods of time that it has bad consequences.

I often hear echoed for SHTF "buy a bike" but I see almost no discussion here on what to look for in a good bi/k/e. I've been looking at folding bikes recently. If its a situation where you need to get out, then the freeway is going to be packed with unprepared normalfags. So keep this in the vehicle until you either run out of gas or get stuck in traffic, then ditch the vehicle for the bike. Then if you end up being able to catch a ride later on, it can be folded back down when they don't have a handy bike rack to store it, so you don't leave it behind.

I was also looking at electric bikes, but I wouldn't go near that unless I had some way of reliably charging it.

>>619661

How easily can you ride a bike with a pack on?

I've seen backpacking bags that attach all over the bike, but i'm not sure how practical they are outside that.

>>619658

>silver

Absolute must. 99,99 pure silver (coins, jewelry, etc) can be used for treating infections, purifying water, increasing shelf life of stuff like milk and even making medicine. Learn how to make colloidal silver with a simple battery and distilled water and you will never have to worry about infections ever again.

inb4 muh argyria

Jewish hoax just like most other things. The only cases of argyria were caused by retards taking 50ppm ionic silver solutions with salts added in them. Colloidal silver cannot cause any side effects unless you're retarded and make a 60+ppm solution with salts. Silver is something anyone can make in their homes with just $40. Pharmaceutical companies can't make money off of something this easily home-made and so they scare people away by telling them they will turn blue.

>>619663

Depends on the size of the bag and your form. If it's a big BO bag, you'd want a bike rack to mount it to. If your wearing a loaded chest rig or plate carrier you'd definitely want to mount it to a rack. Also have to think about where you're gonna keep your rifle.

>>619667

If a big bag wouldn't throw off the balance of the bike then I guess it can be done with a special mount for it. Probably easier to do with external frame bags I assume?

Long firearms can be carried where they will fit. If you need them quickly accessible then across your back, slung over your shoulder, or fitted to the frount of the bike seems good enouth.

>>619661

We've had threads on bicycles before. Like any vehicle it depends on your needs and your terrain. Folding bicycles are popular with the military because they need to store and transport many of them at once or strap them on paratroopers but for a normal person they're pointless. More parts that can break, more expensive and they generally have smaller wheels. If you really wanted to you could put quick release skewers on the wheels of a normal bike to make it easier to transport on or in a vehicle.

And kits for turning a typical bike into a moped are much cheaper than those for an electric bicycle. While they're much more noisy it's easier to make or find fuel for in a SHTF scenario than recharging a battery. They also have much longer range and power.

Best advice I've seen on /n/ and elsewhere is go to a local bike shop and buy an older used steel frame model that's fitted for your size. If you expect to use it wearing boots make sure you have those on when trying it out.

>>619663

A decent rear cargo rack should easily take almost any sized pack. Just remember to keep a few bungee cords on it at all times.

>>619675

Even something like pic related? (Which I meant to post with >>617842 )

Even with stuff like sleeping mats and bags strapped to it? Won't it topple the bike over or something?

>>619689

That depends entirely on the weight distribution, if you can get it all directly above and close to the rear wheel it should work. With such a long pack it might be better to keep the shoulder straps on so it leans towards the rider with the weight on the rear rack.

And even if you can't ride with it having it on the bike and walking alongside it is still much better than carrying it on your back. A bicycle is a more versatile version of one of these multi terrain carts.

>>619600

>What do you guys think of keeping stores of honey as opposed to or in conjunction with sugar? Before sugar, honey was the major sweetener, and it has a theoretically indefinite shelf life since you can rehydrate crystals.

Honey is not superior to granular sugar. Honey will take more volume and shouldn't be given to infants due to the (rare) risk of honey giving them botulism. Whatever honey's indefinite shelf life is, granular sugar's is greater.

But sure, stockpile both so that you have variety.

How useful are load bearing vests?

Varusteleka got bunch of good quality dutch stuff that's insanely cheap so I could pick up and entire mil spec quality vest with pouches for like £60 if its worth it

>>621102

Link? So far the best stuff I've ever used is PLCE.

>>621103

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/category/new-stuff/339

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/category/re-stocked/340

Currently leaning on getting the pouches and spraying them with OD NIR spray paint so that I don't have camo clashing

>>621172

Think about modularity. With prices that low, you can splurge and actually set up different loadouts; for grab and go. I've got a recon/light loadout using a chest rig and a heavy/mounted setup using a plate carrier with NIJ Lvl-3 plates.

>>621878

That's kinda what I was thinking. Are vests easier to carry than rucksacks tho?

>>621952

Vests offer better distribution of weight on your frame and allow for ease of access to items of importance. With that being said, many vests are designed to be used in conjunction with a ruck, like PLCE, ALICE, or IIFS. Think if it like this, items you may need immediate access to are in/on your vest (mags, compass/navigation tools, IFAK, tools, water carrier, ect…) and your ruck carries less important items that don't require immediate access.

What is the amount of ammo you should have?

Should you buy a gun twice to just have a backup in case the first breaks down?

What are the most dead-reliable firearms?

>>621957

>What is the amount of ammo you should have?

As much as you can reasonably afford. Don't be hording 10,000 round, because if you have to leave you location in a hurry, you can't hump 10,000 rounds on your person and even if you have a vehicle, loading that much ammo is just a liability and space waster. If you're going to invest in a very large quantity of ammo, it should be an ammo that is multi-purpose. Something like 22LR is decent due to it's size and is good for rodent hunting, killing smaller varmints and pests, and in a real pinch can be pressed in a self-defensive role. Another decent is 9mm, smaller, very common so good for trade, will kill any mansized target will do everything .22LR does, but far better.

>Should you buy a gun twice to just have a backup in case the first breaks down?

No, buy spare parts that are known to have a common MTBF. If you have a platform like an AR, make sure it's a decent one and make sure your load bearing parts of higher quality. Buy a few of the inexpensive "oopsie kits". If you don't have a ton of cash, something like the BCM SOPMOD Bolt upgrade is a must.

>What are the most dead-reliable firearms?

Most are, with few exceptions. Remember MOST military arms are built for durability and reliability.

>>621960

Can you hunt small game with 9mm? Isn't the bullet big enough to destroy the meat on animals like rabbits or birds?

>>621960

>cheap ammo

well, I'm going to be using 9mm and 7.62x39, you can get some brown bear 7.62x39 for .26 cents.

>backup parts

Smart idea, I'll get another upper and lower

>>621969

>you can get some brown bear 7.62x39 for .26 cents

There's also this from the same factory for 24.2 cents shipped as long as you aren't looking for hollow point or soft point: https://www.sgammo.com/product/surplus-ammo-sale/1000-rounds-762x39-fmj-123-grain-barnaul-mil-spec-ammo-sealed-bullet-and-p