>>610170

Seconding this.

In a total disaster people won't want gold/silver if everyone is starving and thirsty.

Its only applicable in a low level situation (lets say you lose your house but have your gold in a safety deposit box or somewhere safe. but even in that case you should have a vehicle you can live in, or enouth normal money to buy a new home/stay at a hotel until you can get a new one.

Skills and essential supplies are worth their weight in gold when gold would be comparatively worthless. So unless you get the shit for free its worthless buying any when you can use that money on more important things.

>>617373

What >>617413 said about testing is true, about dogs and testing equipment. I'm mainly testing my stuff out by taking it on camping trips. Found out my French F1 tent was way to fucking heavy even at half a load, let alone a full one. Also spent a lot on a few different rucksacks before settling on my current one.

First pack was a swedish LK35 with an external frame. Its a great rock solid pack that I'm not using every day as a civilian general purpose bag. But it didn't come with a hip belt, and even overpacked is pretty small compared with larger stuff. My sleeping bag for example would fill half the thing. I now own like 3 of these packs for the utility and durability alone.

After that I got a huge 120L British bergin with the side pouches. It didn't have a frame like the LK35 did so carrying it with weight was painful. It had a hip belt that turned out to be useless without the older british yoke/webbing.

My current pack is an Finish RP80 from Varusteleka. Its got a hip belt that works, lots of room inside, and PALS webbing all over it so I can carry a lot more stuff when i need to. I also replaced my old heavy tent and replaced it with a DD SuperLight Pyramid Tent & pegs. I'm hoping that its simplicity will make up from what i would think are weaker materials. Also got a new fiskars hatchet, and puukko knife.

Planning on testing out the new stuff as soon as a get a decent pair of boots since my current ones are falling apart.

Eventually i'm planning on spending a month living off the bag as a final test. Currently a uni student so I have the luxury of getting most of the summer off. Don't really see an opportunity to really test an INCH when i'm working properly :s

>>617892

When I had that heavy F1 tent that would normally fill up the bottom straps, and an inflatable sleeping mat on top. The LK35 is a perfect bag for many things, but just doesn't have the capacity to hold the amount of stuff an iNCH setup would needs. On my RP80 (see pic), i'm using those straps on the lower front part (Below that drag handle) to hold my sleeping bag. Its light and bulky enouth to be better outside the pack, it just doesn't compress well enouth. ALICE packs are good to. My tent is so small and light that it can be put pretty much anywhere on/in the pack now. The bottom of the pack could still be used to lash stuff, especially with the frame shelf I guess.

I'm thinking about using messenger bags as supplementary food bags. In a low level situation I figure an extra few weeks worth of food per bag would be worth the weight if I don't need the lightest kit posible. Laptop bags specifically might not be the best bags to carry though, looks wise at least.

>>617928

Aside from the people who are too poor to actually keep that much food in their home, I've never understood why people wouldn't keep stocked up anyway. It should only take a few snow days to hammer the point across that you need to keep a decent amount of food. The second you put your life in the hands of someone else is the second you open yourself up to failure. Some people are just stupid in this sense, and even after going through a situation like this still won't get the point.

>>618233

Oh yeah i know that. I'm talking about an extreme example, people who really are living on the absolute edge. Possibly those without an income.

But yeah totally agree on the healthy is expensive bullshit. Food is food, rice and other staples are dirt cheap. You won't be worrying about healthy food in a bad situation.

The tortillas I have have a long ass best before date on them, but bread in my experience doesn't last more than a few weeks max without freezing.

If there's nothing else to add to the food topic, then how about clothing?

i've been wanting to overhaul my clothes from cheap surplus stuff to Varustelekas wool stuff for awhile now, but the latist desgin seams to be moving away from the ruggedness of thier last desgin

Compare the new one: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-tst-woolshell-jacket/59958

To the old one: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-m16-wool-jacket/34487

Am I worrying about something superficial, or should I wait awhile and see how coustermour feedback is on these things?

Anyone here thinking about getting these by any chance?

>>618382

I had the same experience when I was in school. Remember a local paper company getting sued because their shoulder bags fucked up their workers to much even.

I meant only as supplemental bags to pad out your food supply. Only for people who are bugging out/away on foot. If you have a car or something them it doesn't matter as much.

Filled with canned food and water? Yeah fuck that. But with bulky blocks of noodles, and other comparatively light food? Seams worth it if you only have to carry them for a day. Hell, strap them to your rucksack if that makes them easier to carry. Extra weight is fine if you know you don't need to cover much ground I geuss.

>>618830

From what I've seen their utility is pretty good if you don't already have powered transport.

Here's a video I watched the other day where I found out about the things for the first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M_d7EIaXV4&list=LLtJqaNLxrr3rJTYWbsKiHHQ&index=44&t=0s

In the video they mention an app that lets you rent them. If they have them in your area then you can try them out before buying I guess

Really don't know about their utility in a shtf situation though, and since they run out of juice (Which is less available than petrol stations when compared with cars afaik)

Since we are nearing the end of this threads life cycle is there anything new people think should be in the next OP?

>>619603

Adding to what this rus said, on the IFF bit might be an idea to add something about coming up with an iff within your group (and that you should be trying to found/join said group)?

And on the point of IFF

>Flecktarn or modox gear

>Steel/Kevlar helmet with "/k/" on sides or front

>/k/ related patches on carriers, hats or pauldrons (a la peace walker/mgs5)

>Visible 8 of diamonds or 4 of clubs

>Nationalist paraphernalia and flags

>Green, blue and/or purple tape/cloth around bicep

Are you supposed to have ALL that as IFF, or just one? Specifically on camouflage, it seems counter productive to wear stuff that is easy to see when you aren't trying to be seen. And when you aren't trying to be seen, wearing stuff that's openly military seams like its not the best idea, unless you are part of a group that are all wearing it.

And on specific patterns, as good as the two listed are, isn't it better to taylor what pattern you wear to your environment?

Supplies

>Paper plates and cups

Why?

Might be a good idea to reorder the supply bit in order of importance

>air? (Gas Masks+filters?)

>water

>food

>Shelter

>weapons

>First aid

>Copper, silver, gold

Maybe take these off/put at bottom. Stress other more important supplies first

>>619661

How easily can you ride a bike with a pack on?

I've seen backpacking bags that attach all over the bike, but i'm not sure how practical they are outside that.

>>619667

If a big bag wouldn't throw off the balance of the bike then I guess it can be done with a special mount for it. Probably easier to do with external frame bags I assume?

Long firearms can be carried where they will fit. If you need them quickly accessible then across your back, slung over your shoulder, or fitted to the frount of the bike seems good enouth.

>>619675

Even something like pic related? (Which I meant to post with >>617842 )

Even with stuff like sleeping mats and bags strapped to it? Won't it topple the bike over or something?

How useful are load bearing vests?

Varusteleka got bunch of good quality dutch stuff that's insanely cheap so I could pick up and entire mil spec quality vest with pouches for like £60 if its worth it

>>621103

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/category/new-stuff/339

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/category/re-stocked/340

Currently leaning on getting the pouches and spraying them with OD NIR spray paint so that I don't have camo clashing

>>621878

That's kinda what I was thinking. Are vests easier to carry than rucksacks tho?

>>621955

I see. If you can carry all that stuff in your pockets/belt/hip pad is there any reason to use a vest then?

I'm using >>619689 , and am planning on getting a daypack lid thing for it for when i don't want to lug everything around. IFAK, water, knife, map, ect all seem like they could be easily carried without a full on vest, especially since I can see that vest being dead weight, or making it hard to blend in with normal civvies if needed.

>>622070

>6.5 grendel

No. No meme rounds. Pick a common round and stick to it. 9mm, 556., and 7.62 are all safe choices. Even 22. and commie rounds iffy unless you can stock a lot of them in addition to your common ones/already have the guns.

>>622078

What's the point of having a motorbike and a bicycle? Wouldn't all that space be better used carrying food/water if you already have the van for powered transport?

>>624786

Keep the following in mind when storing food

>Cheap

What you buy needs to be something you can reasonably buy in bulk, speciality foods like freeze dried stuff are an exception, but only because

When it comes to stuff that can be more expensive like canned food, buy it gradually, like $10-$20 a week during your normal shopping, if you can't afford to buy in bulk.

>Something you actually eat.

Make sure you are getting stuff you actually wouldn't mind eating in a shtf situation. Start working them into your diet if you are to picky.

On a similar note

>rotate your foods

Its a shitty thing to waste food, its even worse when $1000 of your stockpile goes bad and now you have to restock. Rotate what you aren't using (or make it a larger part of your main diet to force yourself to use more.

If you do find you have food you can't eat, consider donating to a food bank or the homeless or something I guess.

>what grain/foods would you store?

Staple foods are great to store. Rice (When I can learn to like the stuff) and Oatmeal will be my main staples. Currently using noodle blocks in place of rice. Pastas might be a good idea to.

Flour is probably good to if you use it in your recipes. normal shelf life of the stuff is normally around a year, so if that cricket stuff you have lasts two then I guess its better.

>flintstones chewy vitamins yay or nay?

Do you have kids? or just can't stand taking normal multivitamin tablets? If yes to either then absolutely if they are shelf stable.

If you don't have kids and can handle tablets then no. Tablets are way cheaper, consider taking them before shtf if your diet is already shitty btw.

>how would you get water? Rain barrels?

Store bottled water in bulk if you have the space for it. I've found tap water goes stale and stagnant, so buying it in sealed bottles (smaller ones for bug out bags, much larger ones (leiter+) for home stockpile). Keep water filters (Or learn how to make them) for collecting water from rivers/rain. Look into your local laws on collecting rainwater to.

>would you grow food? How?

I would if I could. If you have the space then absolutely go for it. If you don't have the space then there are ways to grow food in smaller spaces, but do some research if that's the route you need to go down. I'm talking about hanging growing baskets, those potato box things that get posted every thread, ect. Also consider raising smaller livestock like chickens or rabbits for meat/eggs. Make sure you can keep them fed and happy. Insect farming might be worth looking into as well.

>>624883

I'm probably just not eating it with the right stuff. I'm just a picky eater, trying to get over it ;w;

>>601882

Not to necro the topic but i'm having trouble here. Anyone know wheare to get this style of boot in Europe/the UK?

https://www.jaminleather.com/Ad-Tec-Tall-Engineer-Boots-p/bm1443tw.htm

I got those ones but the company sent the wrong size, and I got kneecapped on shipping and import tax. Don't really want to deal with that again

>>627374

Explain why they're shit or post better ones, you contribute nothing otherwise :v

>>628607

I've been to every store in the capitol and my current town, and not one of them sell these. Even lookalikes turn out to be plastic fake leather from china that falls apart within a year. No physical store seems to sell anything that's just basic leather, rubber, and steel anymore ;-;

Maybe this type of footwear is just more popular in north america, and so more available there?

Good point about /fa/, might have better luck there.

Bugging out aside I just want quality footwear that can serve double duty in civilian life and outdoor stuff :v

also

>bf

>Implying

>>637517

The advantages of coordination are worth the risk. Military and law enforcement realised this a long time ago.

That said, how do you think the "find more of you" bit could actually work?

>>652782

since zeemaps is effectively dead now yeah this should replace it in the next thread. Is anyone actually using it tho? Don't see one thing on there?

>>652818

So it's a really detailed map? Seams neat, how big do those things get though? Like say you wanted an entire country, seams like there should be a less memory intensive solution. Paper maps could do most of the work, only really need to know the locations of what you are looking for (say police stations for example), then something thats text based only should take up <5GB

>>653592

i don't doubt it's actually good for meeting people, but I don't recall there being anyone else in the UK back when it still worked :V

>>653809

If you are in a situation where people will shoot you for wearing a helmet, then you want to wear armour anyway, or focus on not being seen in the first place.

>>654225

I've got some body heat issues to the point that drinking the stuff any time of year but the dead of winter doesn't look very good tbh

>>653931

>>654052

Boats seem like a good final option, but you will always be able to store more at home, so as a long term option it still seems risky. Especially if you live in a first world country (that is likely to recover somewhat). Escaping from a 3rd world shithole in a boat seams a lot more feasible.

If you've got the location and money for a boat, then make sure all your other areas are covered first.

>>668892

Do you want one just for shits and giggles or larping? Surplus.

Do you want one for real use? Then go commercial 100%. If it's something you are going to be trusting your life to then you want its reliability to be certain.

Would put it low on the priority list though, a respirator comes first because radioactive air (Alpha) is the most immediate danger to you, and can't be avoided by chance like pockets of gamma might be.

After that protective clothing (plenty of surplus nbc suits are valid options here) will stop beta which can penetrate the skin.

In general, after a nuclear incident, the best chance of surviving is to stay bugged in with supplies and adequate protection. A reinforced basement with dirt and concrete on all sides, and more stuff inside to shield you would be best as long as you survived the initial blast.

>>669578

>>669696

Yeah I remember hearing about a community of brits who made their own insulin in the war, was probably the woman >>669582 mentioned

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/10/a4148110.shtml

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2015/06/diabetes-legends-one-eva-saxl/

>>669611

If you know your shit then I guess surplus stuff is an option then. To clarify what I meant about avoiding Gamma, is that you can't not breathe, but you might randomly avoid gamma as you move. If you can detect it then even better.

>>669744

Correct me if i'm wrong, but in a nuclear scenario, won't P3 be enouth? You only have to stop radioactive dust particles from being breathed in afterall. Combination filters are nice to have as all rounders I guess?

Also worth mentioning I learnt most of my shit from this guy

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlgXG93-wIfYou-xO4g_FvP4AhnAUz0dL

Have some mask shit to, I think the dude made another one on surplus filters as well.

>>670988

How little budget?

You could go with somthing surplug like this

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/british-osprey-body-armour-mtp-surplus/25987

But if even that is outside your budget, then make a duct tape carrier, or buy the cheapest cheapo miltec carrier you can get, and use them as a desperte stop gap measure.

As always focus on the priorities before tacticool shit.

Water>food>shelter>weapons. Meet all those decently before focusing on more niche stuff like armour.

>>680127

>>679358

Maybe its because i'm a pussy, unfit, or because I've got the older canvas one instead of the newer nylon ones, but I find the F1's heavy as fuck.

Varu sell both the Dutch and French tents. If you are using a vehicle then they are great. But if you need to carry it on your back I would consider other options. A bivvy bag and tarp will be lighter any day though.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/group/shelters/1128

I'm personally using DD Hammocks superlight tents, these two specifically

https://www.ddhammocks.com/products/tents

https://www.ddhammocks.com/product/dd_pyramid_mesh_tent?from_cat=43

https://www.ddhammocks.com/product/dd_pyramid_tent?from_cat=43

They're VERY light, and pack pretty small, although you need to carry a hiking stick, poles, or use ones you find.. Enough that you could EDC them in a rucksack if you really wanted to. Whilst its definitely not as sturdy as army tents the weight reduction is worth it imo. Their pegs are great to. The amount of pegs I needed for the F1 and a tarp to go over it weighed more than both the new lightweight tents. My sleeping bag weighs more than the two parts of the tent put together even.

Hey so I've been putting more thought into my food situation. My personal living situation means I can't really stock food at home so i'm paying more attention to what I can carry on my back, with my current goal being a months worth of meals.

These are my current food items along with their measurements/calories. I would like to know if anyone has any better ideas

Seven Oceans Ration Bars

These need to be ate over the course of the day, but can be eaten with no prep, or mixed as a chunky porridge. If the conditions aren't good to heat water for the other items these can be ate as the only source of food if activity levels are low. They come as bricks of 9, with 3 seaming like a good amount per day as breakfast and ongoing food items.

https://evaq8.co.uk/emergency-food-ration-0-5kg-2500-kcal-long-life-survival-biscuits.html

Noodles/Ramen

You know what these are. Need boiling water to prepare but are light, cheap, and take up little space. Come in a few flavours to vary things up. They also keep a long time. I'm currently eating a batch that went out of date in 2017 and they still taste fine.

Soup mix

Like noodles, needs water to prepare and comes in different flavours. light, cheap, takes up little space to.

Mint Cakes

I personally just love these things, so they're more of a morale item so eh. Give a decent amount of calories to.

Chocolate spread pot

Another morale item, but mixed in with ration bars they make them less bland, and give a lot of calories for their weight. The nutella ones i got aren't the most shelf stable, but I've seen stuff like this included in a lot of army MRE's so I assume there's longer lasting stuff out there, just gotta find it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AC6XCLA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Water purification tablets

Each tablet does 1 liter of water, 5 of these per day should be enouth right?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Q1NH321/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Activated charcoal tablets

Apparently these help with food poisoning, so I figure I could include 3 of these per day, and then take them if I eat something suspect.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B074PVP9Z4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Energy Gum

Just chewing gum that has some caffeine in it. Got a smaller pack to try it and the stuff seams to work. 3-5 pieces a day seems like a good amount?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MF6V4R8/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=AXEGXXRJ49R8V&psc=1

Main meals

3 food bars - 180g 807kcal

Noodles - 110g/ 528 kcal

Soup powder - 27g/ 92kcal

Extras

Mint cake - 40g/ 151kal

Chocolate spread 15g/ 82kal

Water purification tablets, energy gum, charcoal tablets, ect - so light my scale won't even pick them up when weighed separately.

Totals at 380g/ 1660kal , with around 0.5L per day needed to prepare the noodles and soup

These measurements don't quite take into account the exact weight of the packaging, but that's probably less than 100g, even when scaled up to a months worth of food.

So any ideas on how to improve these daily meals? I'm currently trying to get myself into liking rice so that I can replace the noodles with to an extent. I'm also thinking about adding instant coffee and hot chocolate sachets to each days pack, along with a multivitamin. Tablets and other medications are carried in the first aid kit, no point in including items in the meal kits if they aren't going to be used, or more than one pe day might be needed. Little sugar/salt packets, or small pots of butter/jam might also be a good idea?

I've also looked at ready to eat boil in the bag type meals and the flameless ration heaters they use. Whilst they're ideal for these kind of fast meals they seam pretty heavy. The Bla band meal in the photo is nearly half a kilo on its own. Canned meats seam to have the same issue. I'm thinking it could be a good idea to make a few heavier meals with canned foods and these ready to eat packets in them so that during the first few days of a situation where energy needs will be higher there are more calories available, and with FRH's ones easier to prepare. Its just a matter of it being worth the weight, as in will It take more energy to carry them than they provide? 30 of these meals would come out at 15 kilos with FRH's, which is way to much. Each meal comes to around 800g with just the MRE's, and a kilo with canned meat like spam or similar. Great if you have a vehicle or are at home, but a bad choice for an INCH bag.

>>685064

It wakes you up and helps keep you alert. If it's not needed then adjust accordingly. More curious on what people think of the other stuff tbh