NOTABLE from GENERAL, fwiw.
http://www.scoopyweb.com/2020/11/picture-of-joe-biden-with-gerry-adams.html
Biden visited Ireland, 2016. But usually such visits are prepped sometimes a year or two ahead of the show.
BIDEN. Mistake in french phrase while visiting Canada. Note similarities with the [J_C] posted french expression. Exchange = swap of letters. Letters are charcters. Recall Biden emphasis on comparing his and DJT's characters. Recall Biden's account of his relationship as VP with Hussein - 'cup and lip' - reflective, think mirror.
Biden visit to Canada, 8 DEC 2016. Recall RR visit to Canada and Q telling us that those responsible for FVEY part in SPYGATE were also in attendance.
Suggestion - dig HARRIS and ST Pat's related events. New green deal, multiple meanings.
Q 1559
DECLAS
LP “Viva Le Resistance.”
Viv[a] vs Viv[e]
[J C]
Why classified by intel comm @ highest level?
Define title.
Define role w/ Mueller.
Exchange shelters VERY senior member.
Q
Exchange [L]P for [V]P.
= VP "Liva Le Resistance."
Liva?
Line item veto act.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/13/us/us-judge-rules-line-item-veto-act-unconstitutional.html#:~:text=The%20Line%20Item%20Veto%20Act%20therefore%20is%20unconstitutional.%27%27.,of%20Appeals%20for%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia%20Circuit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Item_Veto_Act_of_1996
Biden cosponsored
S.592 - Separate Enrollment and Line Item Veto Act of 1997
105th Congress (1997-1998)
IDK
Phases of the moon, animated.
https://youtu.be/mQwvHn_qkBA
Looked like POTUS quoted or paraphrased Turley. Haven't found the Turley text that was used in the twat.
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325432476215500800
If POTUS quoted someone, then, the question is did he copypasta the 'errors' or did he delete and add the letters?
Missing letters 'i', 'l', 's', and including extra capitalisation of the word, 'and'.
LISA
SLIP
CUP
LIP
That is the traditional phrase, many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Biden's version was, nothing gets missed between the cup and the lip.
Almost opposite meanings. Divergent. Odd that he siad that just before toasting Canada without a drink in his hand. He actually brought attention to the fact that he could not offer a toast coz he had no cup to bring to his lips. Kek.
For American frens, think, It's not over till the fat lady sings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_many_a_slip_%27twixt_the_cup_and_the_lip
There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip is a very old proverb, similar in meaning to "don't count your chickens before they hatch". It implies that even when a good outcome or conclusion seems certain, things can still go wrong.
According to a story about the proverb, the verse was a comment by a seer who told Ancaeus, who was setting out on the perilous enterprise of the Argonauts, that he would never taste wine from his newly planted vineyard. On his safe return, Ancaeus filled a cup with the first wine from his vineyard and reproached the seer for what appeared to be a false prophecy. The seer responded with the verse and just then an alarm was raised that a wild boar was destroying the vineyard. Without tasting the wine, Ancaeus rushed out and was killed by the boar. Hence, the prophecy came to be true.[5][6][7]
The proverb may have been inspired by a situation described, without the proverbial phrase, in Homer's Odyssey, Book xxii 8-18 (from c. 850 B.C.), where Odysseus kills Antinous, who "was on the point of raising to his lips a fair goblet, a two-eared cup of gold, and was even now handling it, that he might drink of the wine, and death was not in his thoughts".[8][9]
"The Cup and the Lip" is the title of the First Book (of four books) of Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens 1864-65
The American pop group The Present recorded a song called "Many's the Slip Twixt the Cup and the Lip (or Baby the World Really Turns)" in 1967. The song, written by George Fischoff and Tony Powers, was released as a single on the Philips label but failed to chart. It was also used by Emilio Estevez as Billy the Kid in the movie Young Guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NIAjx1mumY
vid embed, phrase explained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUJJoYXnmeE
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Divergent then.
Bit like how Biden got the french phrase wrong. Obama got a french phrase wrong when visited Ottawa and spoke in the Canadian Parliament.
Fren, don't be so quick to judge your fellow anons.
https://youtu.be/zNZt1NNGE0I
Just a sampling -
https://youtu.be/8-VcXTiEKXU
https://youtu.be/gAP63C0CzPQ
https://youtu.be/fYZjoVRfZEQ
https://youtu.be/lyIXX2sGPXg
>The Cup and the Lip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py2B2CQwhR8
"The Cup and the Lip" is the title of the First Book (of four books) of Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens 1864-65
Portion of the plot.
It has gradually become clear to the reader that John Rokesmith is the missing heir, John Harmon. He had been drugged and dumped in the river by Riderhood, who gave the same treatment to Harmon's shipmate. Harmon survived the attempted murder, done to rob him of the money he had from the sale of his business. The switch of clothes between the two men was done by Harmon to have a chance to learn about the girl before claiming his inheritance; the shipmate agreed with the intention of the theft of Harmon's cash, but Riderhood took it all. Rokesmith/Harmon has been maintaining his alias to try to win Bella Wilfer without the force of the will and the wealth. Now that she has married him, believing him to be poor, he can throw off his disguise. He does so and it is revealed that Mr Boffin's apparent miserliness and ill-treatment of his secretary were part of a scheme to test Bella's motives about money.
Anon, how many marks did you count?
Does not beats have to do with military type marches at different paces? Count your beats.
The Secret Apartment Beneath Big Ben
https://youtu.be/ATvp3MqbFKU
This vid was posted 25 MAR 2014 - but the poster dated it 27 MAR 2014, which would not be possible. So we can use the 'posted on' date as closer to the 'taken by' date.
https://youtu.be/MNFhS6DKH1c
This vid showed the temporary frame bollards in place at all three bollard positions on the two islands. It also showed the memorial. So a comparison is called for between various images we have collected. This vid of 25 MAR, SV images of MAY, stockphoto of 2 MAR, and CH1.
So in chronological order -
2 MAR - only 1 of 3 perm hooped twp-legged bollards, no memorial
5 MAR - Coroner report stated the fatal accident at 6am
7 MAR - Coroner started investigation - completed about year later.
CH1 - resembles 2 MAR
25 MAR - memorial and temp frame bollards
Bollards at this location had been damaged, removed, without replacement during previous years. Temp frame bollards did appear during special events, like the LONDON RIDE 100 captured in vid during JUN 2013 and 2014, but did not remain for long. The Coroner report stated the missing bollards had been missing for about 3 years. This suggests that frames might not have been put in place immediately after the fatal accident.
That year and in previous years, fatal road accidents were relatively rare in Westminster so the fatality at this location may have prompted the City to place the frames. Or, possibly, the Coroner's investigation had highlighted interest in the lack of bollards at that location, the lack of lighting, and the type of bollard - perhaps outdated hooped type that may have contributed to the severity of the accident for the victim. Rising questions about such during an investigation might have been enough to prompt the placement of the frames.
What might be the significance of this for our dig? Timing. The investigation began, officially, on 7 MAR. This was triggered by new law that required one when a death is sudden or due to an accident. The family and friends sustained the makeshift memorial at that traffic island and on that bollards long after the hooped bollards had been replaced by the rebound type and lighting was improved - done by JUN 2014. The vid shows that the memorial was in place, along with the frames, no later than 25 MAR and possibly earlier than that. CH1 showed no memorial and no frames, just like the scene appeared on 2 MAR 2014. Think it is reasonable to assume that the scene was much the same on 5 MAR 2014. This helps when comparing the images we have available to us.
Moar …
BOLLARD images compared.
Again in chronological order -
2 MAR - at least 4 cars in the turn-left lane heading to the junction. Couple of pedestrians apparently crossed near the traffic island in question. Not a terribly busy scene on the roads/sidewalks. This was a SUNDAY.
5 MAR - 6am fatal accident. WEDNESDAY.
7 MAR - Coroner's investigation launched. FRIDAY.
17 MAR - ST PAT'S Day Parade morn/aftn and festivities into the night. MONDAY. Vid from this date/event show the entrance to HISPANIOLA lacked the three advert boards that appeared in EMB pics. No view of bollards but view of the left-turning lane on Northumberland.
25 MAR - Video of bike ride, commuting, daytime. The posted date was a TUESDAY. Vid could have been taken earlier. Time of day comparison includes amount of traffic at the junction, including the left-turning lane on Northumberland as per the other images - 2 MAR and CH1.
This is enough to establish the time range for CH1 to be the interval 2-MAR to 25 MAR 2014. Add the 17 MAR vid depiction of the advert boards, and connexions between EMB and CH pics, then the not before bookend moves to 17 MAR 2014. Put that aside for now.
Moar …
BOLLARD images compared.
Add the lunar info. Moon position in ROT1 resembles position during evenings/nights of 17 to 19 mar 2014. For now, put that aside, and focus on evidence in the CH1 scene alone.
In CH1 the bollard on the western position of the island in question appears to be in the form it was on 2-MAR. We have discussed possibility of it appearing slightly padded as if something was or had been attached. Put that aside, also.
There appears to be at least one individual near the western bollard. That indivdiual may be carrying something white like a wrapping. But this may be an adult walking with a child wearing white. Either way, the individual/s appear to be approaching the island, stepping onto it. On the other hand, could be stepping off it and walking away. The presence of individuals in that position by the island does not suggest walking across the street in a straight forward right angle from or to the sidewalks such as can be seen in various SV images and other vid/pics. That is especially so when temp frames have been at the island as the frame bollard itself was placed on the street surface, on the painted stripes, rather than on the kerb. But it also seems to be so in most images before and after the replacement of the perm hooped bollard. People tend to stand on the island or in-between the islands. Not ahead of the island. Could be an irrelevant detail, however, seems to me that the individual/s in CH1 closest to the western island were travelling in an unusual pattern.
Near the sidewalk kerb in CH1 there appears to be a small group of 2 individuals. Are they random individuals, IDK, but they seem grouped and waiting at the kerb rather than crossing the street that they are facing during a lull in the traffic. Are they 'attending' a visit to the bollard - the group and the individual/s closest to the island?
There are other details to compare but here I'll continue with comparison with the two individuals in CH1 at the lower left corner of frame. They are heading west on the sidewalk by Whitehall Gardens. Compare them with the vid screencap of a man and a woman standing near the makeshift memorial at the western bollard. In prev discussions, it was speculated that the man in the vid wore a blue scarf and that one of the individeuals in CH1 also wore a blue scarf. It was speculated that the length of jacket matched either the man's or the woman's in the vid. Indeed, the trouser legs of the woman on the island resembles that of the individual who is pointing in CH1.
Compare the vid screencap with SV MAY 2014. In both the memorial has the same large photo and white wrappings. The flowers are different. Fresher in the vid. Now the group on the island in the vid seems to resemble groups in the pics on the sites of charitable events done in remembrance of the accident vicitim. Not certain. But consider that the memorial has been freshened up recently - in the vid - and this rather large group of individuals stood, apparently waiting during a lull in traffic. That lull was about to be interupted as can be seen in various SV images, but they do seem to be lingering. Can't be certain, but this group could have just laid down the fresh flowers at that memorial.
Ok, a lot of ifs in this. But now compare CH1, the vid, and SV image and it seems to me that pair walking toward the scene in CH1 includes the woman who would later appear on the island in the vid. She might be the sister. In CH1 she is pointing ahead. Might this have been a pic taken early in the Coroner's investigation period just prior to the City being prompted to place the frames - and to permit the extended upkeep of that memorial at that location?
The implication would be that the frames were not there as soon as we had earlier imagined. And, at the same time, the frames may have appeared around the same time that a group of friends and family first began setup that memorial.
5 MAR to sometime before 25 MAR 2014.
Bring back the vid of ST Pat's, 17 MAR, and the lack of advert boards at the HISP entrance. Bring back the lunar info dates - 17-18-19 MAR 2014.
17 MAR, MONDAY
18 MAR, TUESDAY
19 MAR, WEDNESDAY
But reconcile this with the lights being out on the TATT and HISP. Time year seems a fair Q match. See 2-MAR stockphoto. See the 25-MAR vid. Now, can we determine that we also have a good time of day match? Maybe, if we estimate the location of the sun in CH1 background?
Was CH1 morning or evening?
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Yeap, all through the daylight hours, certainly, due to the parade itself. Next day would have been middle of week - so not during daytime on 18 and 19 MAR 2014. But whatabout early morn on 17 MAR? Revelers no, but other indications of a parade route - such as those portable barriers that would block traffic, rather than pedestrians. The type of barriers that block pedestrians are used during events like races. Now, given that there is light traffic in CH1, couple of cars arranging themselves in the turn-left lane on Northumberland, which suggests other cars in the lane ahead of them, and few vehciles heading toward Traf Sq in the distance, and that lone black vehicle near the hotel, well, could be early morning BEFORE the parade. Can't be certain that the process of elimination rules out 17 MAR 2014. If CH1 was taken in the evening - yeh rules out, but early morn, not so sure.
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The yellow signs look a lot like the temporary yellow notices that get posted on poles to announced suspension of parking in the parking spots nearby. Can confuse drivers and so they tend to be posted quite in advance of whatever event or circumstance is planned at those kerbsides. Had speculated that a parade would cause restrictions on parking there; also that cleanup crews or roadwork might require suspension of parking - for example cleanup after a parade or pickup of fallen leaves or other maintenance.
https://youtu.be/MNFhS6DKH1c
Posted on 27 MAR 2014.
Poster dated it as taken on 25 MAR 2014.
Frame bollards in vid.
CH1 had no such bollards so taken BEFORE 25 MAR 2014.
Interdasting, fren. Astonomical, nautical, or civil?
The moon follows the setting sun. If this does not exactly confirm the time of day witin the window opened by the lunar info, does it at least not contradict that info?
18-19 MAR 2014 still in the running as preferred?
TY Fren, we are perhaps on an impossible task using what is available to us at this time, but to narrow the time range to a portion of the week might be the next step. So within our limits we might look to the two different times of day as 'candidates' and compare with the actual weather on those days.
Tidal info and lunar info produced fair candidates within the time range that had been determined by direct pictorial evidence. Does combo of the tidal and lunar preferred candidates reconcile readily or does it eliminate any of the days of the week of 17 MAR 2014?
Sunrise v sunset
18 MAR 2014 - TUESDAY.
19 MAR 2014 - WEDNESDAY.
20 MAR 2014 - THURSDAY.
21 MAR 2014 - FRIDAY.
How does the tidal/lunar lunar info look that weekend and up to 24 MAR 2014?
22 MAR 2014 SATURDAY.
23 MAR 2014 SUNDAY.
24 MAR 2014 MONDAY.
Maybe could find pics of early morning sidewalks in vicinity? Perhaps street lighting on/off timers can be figured? Other time of day markers?
Moar, BOLLARDS pics compared - vehicles on road.
If the walk was wet from rain, then, vehicles might still show some signs of that? Or windows on buildings?
The bike hiring dock is pretty much full of parked bikes in CH1. Compare with the 2-MAR stockphoto in which there are about half or more slots are empty. In 2-MAR got a view of the motorbike parking and the other blue boris bike dockiNG station there. The bike spots are fairly empty there also. The morotbike spots almost full. Can't compare with CH1 coz no vue of those two places.
Another potential time of day marker is the presence of vehicles on the streets in the parking spaces and in traffic lanes.
In CH1 there is PUSH bike parked against a do-not-enter sign next to the hotel. No PUSH bikes in 2-MAR pic. That is, apart from the one bike, the others are parked blue boris bike hires at the dockign stations. None of any sort in the traffic lanes. Likewise no morocycles in traffic lanes. So both types of vehciles - push bikes, push bike rentals, and motorcycles - are not in the traffic flow in either of these two pics. That common element may point to similarity of time of day and/or time of week or some othr common circustance.
Both of these images show cars and vans and such maneurvering into the left-turning lane on Northumberland at the junction. Don't have a view of that lane at the junction while the left/right turning lane looked empty. Not sure about the sequence in which each lane got is green to turn. Under the bridge heading south on Victoria, there are three lanes. Two on the east are straight ahead and the one on the right is right-turning. The two straight ahead merge at the junction and narrow where the parking spots begin near the entrances to the HISP and the TATT.
In the 25 MAR vid we get a glimpse of the lanes in the junction from under the bridge view. The go ahead lanes get their green phase at same time. The right-turning lane off Victoria waits but is the next to get green phase. Also waiting are BOTH of the lanes on Northumberland that move traffic into the Embankment - left-turning and right-turning.
I may be mistaken but I think both of the Northumberland lanes that flow into Embankment get the same green phase, which stops flow from all directions on Embankment - straight ahead, left turn into Northumberland, and right-turn into Northumberland. The left-turn off Embankment at corner of Whitehall Gardens may have its own green phase which is more advanced than the straight ahead lanes across the junction. Again, I could be mistaken, but it seems the left-turning lane off Embankment and the right-turning lane off Embankment share the same green phase and are subject to merging. Don't recall a give-way sign there, though.
Ok, so figuring the flow through light phases might help figure volume of traffic just out of shot on the two roads. In both CH1 and 2-MAR the westward lanes are fairly empty. Red buses on 2-MAR but not CH1. Looks like parking spaces are fairly full on both sides of Whitehall Place and on the north side of Northumberland - but the spaces on the south side of Northumberland seem less occupied in the 2-MAR pic, at whatever time of day it was in that pic, versus CH1 at its time of day.
2-MAR 2014 SUNDAY. mid-day maybe.
CHI - possible weekday ca sunrise or ca sunset.
The presence of the buses on Sunday 2 MAR both in flow and in parking is an itneresting contrast with CH1 with no buses in view. In CH1 the black car near the hotel may or may not be rolling into Northumberland traffic - turning which way, IDK.
Street lights are off in both pics. And in the 25-MAR vid, too. The vid showed much more pedestrian and road traffic. And parked buses and other vehicles at the parking zones. And in the vid the blue boris bikes parked are more than in 2-MAR pic while less than in CH1. And in the vid can see that the left-turning lane off northbound Embankment into Northumberland waited for green while the right turning lane off southbound Embankment flow in green phase into Northumberland.
So the straight ahead in both directions had green and the turning lanes where red. Then the right-turning lane on southbound Embankment got its green while the two lanes on Northumberland flowing into northbound Embankment were on red.
What we'd see in both CH1 and 2-MAR pics was a moment when the turning lanes were in red phase, I think, because no flow in westbound Northumberland - near the junction within shot. The vehicles in the previous flow are up at TRAF Square. In 2-MAR pic there is one car turning right off westbound lane but is hung up between the island because of the quie in the left-turning lane on eastbound Northumblernd at junction - which faced red phase.
Ok, so with that scenario, can we compare volume of traffic and type of traffic in such a way as to gain hints for time of day or time of week?
Vid 25 MAR 2014
https://youtu.be/MNFhS6DKH1c
March Madness.
What meaning is carried by that phrase?
Basketball. The TATT, and possibly also the HISP, has a set of private cabins available for varioius uses. Such as watching a game?
2014 NCAA Tournament Schedule
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9258206/2014-ncaa-tournament-schedule-key-dates
London dates/times of games?
BESIDES BASKETBALL, meaning of March Madness.
How does March Madness related to rabbits?
The aphorism as mad as a March hare, has been around since at least the mid-1500s and refers to the phenomenon of hares becoming very aggressive during breeding season in March.
The expression March mad, which may be a shortening of the aphorism, emerged shortly thereafter in the early 1600s. In an 1872 magazine Odd and Ends, the writer notes “How is a hare madder in March than at any other time? or how is its March madness displayed?”
Beginning in the mid-1900s, people began using March madness to refer to “a form of madness or uncharacteristic behaviour said to affect people in March” (according to the OED). The expression may have come from the erratic, tempestuous weather of the season; alternatively it may have something to do with hares, a larger relative of the common rabbit.
These earlier senses of March madness are derived from the sense of mad meaning “abnormally furious.” Today in American English mad chiefly means “angry,” whereas in British English it can often mean “crazy.” Today the NCAA March Madness incites both anger and insanity, depending on your brackets.
The aphorism as mad as a March hare, has been around since at least the mid-1500s and refers to the phenomenon of hares becoming very aggressive during breeding season in March.
The expression March mad, which may be a shortening of the aphorism, emerged shortly thereafter in the early 1600s. In an 1872 magazine Odd and Ends, the writer notes “How is a hare madder in March than at any other time? or how is its March madness displayed?”
Lewis Carroll nods to this bunny cliché with his characters the Mad Hatter and the March Hare, both of whom appear in Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland.To learn more: Brendan Koerner over at Slate chronicled the evolution of the name of the annual college basketball tournament March Madness. He reminds us that there was actually a civil lawsuit about whether the college teams could use the term, which had been used by a high-school tournament in Illinois.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/march-madness/
MARCH MADNESS re US collegiate basketball tournament held mostly during MARCH.
OBAMA PICKS FAVES
https://youtu.be/U8gA34t4f0w
University of KENTUCKY did not apper in the brackets that season. No UK.
Very gud, Anon. There are other 'highlighted' areas that may point in the same general direction - call it sunward.
Dominion. Voting system. Paragon - Irish.
Scytl used to be based in Spain, with offices in Frankfurt and Barcelona, but it went bankrupt and this October was purchased by an Irish company, Paragon.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/whats_kraken.html#ixzz6dsrp1og1
Who the Hell are these buggers to dictate The Great Reset under the shoddy cover of THE VIRUS?
https://youtu.be/pF_kXE-HXSQ
Must be rejected.
>Was CH1 morning or evening?
TY all anons who responded to the query. It seems we are not decided - and that is alright - and so we are left with the previous observations.
CH1 was taken before the frames appeared at the island. Evidence for these in place by 25 MAR 2014. This is current 'before date'.
The 'before date' may depend on discerning advert boards at the ramp at the HISP entrance.
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What is the latest date on which we have firm evidence that the 3 boards were NOT there?
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What is the latest date on which we have firm evidence that the 3 boards were in place?
Will supply a close-up view of the HISP entrance. It is based on the vid of ST PAT's day 17 MAR 2014. To my eye, at least, there may be one board but not three. Anons, please look for pictorial evidence for these boards. And look forward to the clip I will post that will show enhanced version and close-up. In our collection we already have the original and several screencaps that anons have posted. So, in meantime, please review and share your discernment.
WWG1WGA
Apologies, typing in the dark and distracted.
CLARIFICATION FOR CH1
We have a TAKEN 'not after date' - or said another way, the current TAKEN 'before date' is 24 MAR 2014. This bookend is solidly based on a vid dated by the poster of that online vid.
Together anons have gathered lots of gud info for the week/weekend just prior to that date. Info to interpret so as to refine our knowledge of the tidal, lunar, weather, traffic circumstances. All grist for the mill.
It is time to shift to the other bookend, the TAKEN 'not before date', or the TAKEN 'after date'. Important for new eyes: a time range has two bookends and each bookend can be determined by finding evidence that is postive or negative.
part 1
Here is an example of both a postive and a negative approach.
In CH1 there is a bike hire docking station next to the Corinthia Hotel. It has two stalls, or lines, of docks, one longer than the other. They face each other in a tight grouping. This same configuration is evident in pics going back several years and is still evident today. However, there was another stall along the kerb of Northumberland closer to the junction at Victoria Embankment. That was evident in pics up to the summer of 2012; it was removed before the time of available vids/pics of spring/summer 2013. The anchor points for this removed stall are evident in CH1; note the square shaped marks along the kerb in the lower left corner of that Q pic.
So, the presence of an empty space, and those marks, helps date CH1; it was taken after the removal of the bike stall. You can think of the empty anchor points as a POSITIVE marker that must be matched in open source pics/vids. You can also think of the formerly intact bike stall on the kerb as a NEGATIVE marker that must not be present in pics/vids that match CH1.
Here is another example.
In CH1 there are two pedestrian islands in the middle of Northumberland near the Corinthia Hotel. In pics/vids from several years ago, there were markers, or bollards, at the ends of the islands that apper in CH1; but in CH1 there is only one such bollard in place. The type of bollard in CH1 is hooped, that is a bar is curved like a croquet hoop, and its two legs are embedded into the surface of the island.
There was such a bollard at each of the other two locations on the islands. So the presence of these in pics/vids would pre-date CH1. Also, the one remaining bollard in CH1 was replaced by a flexible or rebound type that has a single leg. So its appearance would appear after CH1; and the other two positions were also filled by this new type of permanent bollard. So, the empty spaces are a sort of POSTIVE means to match an image with CH1; likewise the presence of a hooped bollard would be a POSITIVE means for a Q-match. Between such markers is an interval, or a time range, within which CH1 could have been taken.
In addition, that can be refined by the appearance of temporary bollards in the aftermath of a fatal road accident in this location.
So, pics/vids that show these frames would have been taken after CH1; and pics/vids that lack these frames and lack the new one-legged bollards would pre-date CH1 - and provide a taken before date. This provides an interval, or time range, within which CH1 was taken. And it can be refined further, perhaps, by the presence of a memorial on the bollard where the fatal accident occured. That memorial took a variety of forms over the years. Its earliest version, found so far, shows a sort of wrapping on the hooped bollard as well as fresh flowers at its feet on the surface of the island. Such an elaborate memorial, makeshift as it was, is not present in CH1.
This has led to discussion of how soon after the accident the memorial first appeared. Did it pre-date the appearance of the temporary frame bollards?
Possibly, but so far we have relied on the test of plausible reasoning rather than direct evidence. For example, we have a MAR 2014 vid that shows fresh flowers at the memorial. The wrapping matches images from MAY and JUN 2014. In CH1 none of that is evident but there are people that may match the MAR 2014 vid. Again, discernment is required and plausible reasoning necessary to judge whether or not the people in CH1 match the people in other vids/pics. Better yet would be direct evidence such as well-match pics of the individuals.
Well, there are some possible matches, how well they fare depends on discernment as we lack direct evidence that would confirm. This is a possible route to refining the time range for CH1.
So, for now, we return to the link between CH1 and the other Q pics that show the hotel. These include night images that contrast with CH1 which was taken during daylight. One of the night images is the third in a the series taken from a traffic camera - ROT1, ROT2, ROT3. In ROT3 the bollards/islands match CH1 and so fall within the same time range. If the ROT series can be dated more precisely, then, this may extend to CH1.
part 3
Hence the query about the details around the entrance to the HISPANIOLA which is a floating bar/restaurant on the Thames River at the junction of VICTORIA EMBANKMENT and NORTHUMBERLAND AVENUE. In ROT1, at that entrance, is a ramp and on its handrail are three advert boards. These did not appear in pics/vids of the previous summer but did appear in pics/vids of MAY and JUNE 2014. We have images that show the boards in some detail and confirm that there were three during this interval and subsequently there were four. In a vid taken on ST PAT's day, the HISP entrance was captured and it may show a lack of three advert boards. It will depend on discernment of the pictorial details. If this holds true, then, the vid provides evidence that pre-dates ROT pics as well as the Q pics that feature the hotel, such as CH1.
If the three advert boards are not evident until AFTER 17 MAR 2014, then, the time range for CH1 becomes 17 MAR to 24 MAR 2014. That would be a very significant refinement that reduces the interval to just 7 days. Hence the attempts to find markers that would match Q pics within those bookends.
In ROT1 the London Eye was captured. And in the sky behind it, near its hub, a large moon can be seen. The shape of the moon, or its fullness, and its altitude and bearing may be determined, more or less, via predictable phases of the moon which can, in turn, provide plausible dates on which ROT1 could have been taken. Also, in the Q pics are other markers, such as the height of the river's tide, such as the lack of business hour lighting on the TATTERSHALL CASTLE, another floating bar/restaurant that was situated next to the HISPANIOLA. Other markers include the flow of traffic on the road and on the sidewalks, indications of time of year such as foilage on trees, and weather condtions. All of this can be used to refine the time range.
In connexion with all of the above are details in the ROT series that are aligned with other pics of the EMBANKMENT that appear to have been taken on the same night or very nearly the same night. Those markers can independently date each of the pics in the line-up of Q images of the Embankment area. The details have been presented and discussed extensively in previous breads, including upbread here. Suffice it to say that the close analysis of these images that Q dropped have led to a time range that pre-dates 2014-2016, a two-year period that much of our focus had been on while learning about SPYGATE. So Q dropped these images as part of a discovery of events or circumstances that had occurred prior to what we know of the origins of SPYGATE, so far.
part 4
Hope this helps new eyes.
It is a lot to take in. The path has been arduous but anons have dug and reasoned organically. Many contributions have followed a methodical approach; many more have been intuited or flashed even with happenstance. All contributions welcomed.
While we attempt to form a consensus, we always fallback to the direct evidence as the foundation regardless of the reasoning or conjecture or speculation that may build on that evidence. Sort out the hard from the circumstantial. This way has led to new direct evidence when an Anon has followed a hint and tested the speculation that was drawn from it.
What would be the pay-off, in terms of insight gained, if we were to refine the time range for each of the pics in the entire collection of London Pics that Q has dropped?
Well, we do not know what we do not know. But Q has provided the guidance to examine the markers in the pics and has told us that we have more than we know. In my view, the digz on these pics will prepare us for confirmations and for the inevitable future proves past. I do not think Q would have MISTAKENLY dropped a series of London PICS that pre-date SPYGATE. Q drew our attention to this for a reason or reasons.
One reason may have been to sharpen our awareness of this type of evidence. To guide us to test our own assumptions of what Q has already told us. Question everything. Learn comms. And find the patterns. ALL part of the Q map. EVERYTHING HAS MEANING.
WWG1WGA
part 5
Catching up on this. Do you think that this other traf cam could have taken the ROT series of pics? Might compare the frame shape and the pixel height/width of ROT with other TRAF CAM pics of the time, if we can find samples.
Almost forgot about this ruff vid clip that used an enhanced version of NSA_Traf_CAM_LONDON2847.
The night lights above the horizon are noicely on display. Undiscovered stars.
If those lights in the night sky were aircraft approaching or departing an airport, would that help determine the time of night and, possibly, even the day/night of the week within the time range? Would it challenge that time range bookends?
QUESTION
>Who are in these pics? What is depicted in each of these scenes? How is this meaningful and how doe sit fit into Q's overall purpose in communicating with Anons? Why has our attention been brought to attend to any of that?
RESOIBSE
>IIRC it was Lisa Page and Peter Strzok and others I forgot. It was 5eyes related. Prepping talks about setting up the infrastructure to spy on Trump.
HOWEVER, Q has suggested that LP was in the pic but not that PS was with her. Q has left that for us to assume.
Also, the Q pics pre-date the 2014-to-2016 period of SPYGATE. These images were taken during the winter of 2013/2014. The EMB and CH pics appear to be limited to the FEB-MAR 2014 time range, prolly refined to a week or a couple of weeks within MAR 2014. This rules out the winters of 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 which are the periods during which SPYGATE took off, as far we know so far.
At this point I question whether or not that is LP in the crosswalk and at Winter Wonderland. It might be, but it has to be in winter of 2013/2014, and there is yet no evidence that shows she was in London at that time. Likewise for PS. Likewise for the other targets.
Hence the earlier post upbread.
Expand our thinking. Could it have been OBAMA spying on HRC related players? Might there have been some attempt to gain leverage? OBAMA and HRC were allies, of a sort, but also adversaries, both past, present, and future. Meaning that they had conflicting interests despite those interest that merged.
Crossfire Hurricane might refer to actual crossfire, and thus collateral casualties, while Hurricane refers to a storm quite different from the one that POTUS and Q brought with them.
https://youtu.be/NF8mrImWL74
Posted fragments of the broad UK-related MAP of Q posts re LONDON PICS. 6 parts, read L-to-R as reassembled.
>>11270862 pt1
>>11270903 pt2
>>11270933 pt3
>>11270963 pt4
>>11270994 pt5
>>11271039 pt6
Anons please review and confirm, disagree, ammend as necessary. Not meant to be definitive, here, as the UK is integrated into the whole Q MAP for which there are many, many, many layers. Made this when reviewing LONDON PICS and building a sandmap of the field but also of the comms. Just one anon's attempt to keep big picture in mind as dig details within solitary pics. Has been useful in my digs but mileage will vary.
Archive and backup across the way.
WWG1WGA
Map of Q posts related to London pics (six parts)
https://qanon.news/Archives/x/11047711#11271113
This was posted UK24 bread.
Here's view of the bridge from a positon by the islands near the hotel, taken from SV MAY 2014. Where is the lamp/cam you are referring to? I think it is an interdasting prospect, given that in these SV images of MAY 2014 the traf cam on the bridge has been removed.
It also looks removed in the attached screencap from the ST PAT's vid of 17 MAR 2014.
The implications? Yeh, interdasting.
Let us assume for sake of discussion that during the interval of MAR to MAY 2014 the trafcam was not on its perch above the bridge - at the elevator entrance at top of the stairway. Are you considering an alternate location from which the cam would have been operable? If so, where is that location in the pics in prev post?
Makes me consider the possibilities of the trafcam having been used for those Q pics and then removed subsequently.
Closer views,
For Anon who had discussed the notion of the sidewalk appearing damp due to early morning dew, here is a link to SV imagery from JAN 2018 in which you can view dampness on the sidewalk which appears to ring the edge of WHITEHALL GARDENS. Could be result of overspray from an early monring irrigation system. Or drops from the branches above. Part the nearby sidewalk remained dry. Ringed pattern may have other explanation/s.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5066223,-0.123219,3a,35.1y,137.05h,86.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFk1bwAtV9btTKz0A2BsbwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Similar ring pattern in SV OCT 2014, and with lots moar foilage overhead. Does not look like early morning, altho could be after spot of rain or fog.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5067287,-0.123219,3a,58y,136.09h,99.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suW_XyvPKHwoWaUpUFj1gzQ!2e0!5s20141001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
If you wander farther west on Northumberland, near the hotel, the sidwalks are not wet even under the trees. SV OCT 2014.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5067766,-0.1235856,3a,56.8y,275.72h,97.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFMJTTRpytNLCE1n11YUUDw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
If the damp sidewalk was result of an irrigation system in the bushes on on the garden side of the fence, then, that might offer a reason for the removal of the bike stall from the nearby kerb. Wet bike seats not the best for renters. Then again, rain would do the same almost anywhere else - most of these docking stations are unsheltered, like the stalls closer to the hotel and the one by Craven Street less than 60 yards away on other side of Northumberland.
Kek, still remains bit of a mystery, that rather localized ring of wet sidewalk by the Gardens. But leaning toward some sort of relation to the vegetation at the fence - ring does not extend far from that.
Here is another candidate for a trafcam position, as per images taken from SV OCT 2014, vantage point under the bridge near the traffic island there.
If you rotate and look up and over the railtracks on the bridge, you may spot another candidate for the trafcam perch. I think there are at least two cams that monitored the trains and could swivel toward the roadway.
The camera you spotted above the elevator entrance is the one that is missing in some of the SV MAY 2014 images as well as the ST PAT's vid screencap previously posted. It would reappear in later SV images, and disappear again, and reappear. Spotty.
That perch, or one nearby, might make a gud match for the Q pics, actually. The pic you used to id the lampost is from 2011 or earlier, I think, based on the pedestrian railing at the islands. Compare with the images from closer to winter 2013/2014 to see what I mean. You prolly have already seen those and can spot the diffs. I think the vantage point from that lampost - or nearby - is very gud match with the ROT series, including ROT3 with view of the hotel. Prolly onto something coz don't think that lampost appears in the ROT series, at all.
Could be. It was circled in the Anon posted pic that had prompted a Q confirmation post. The angle is possible from that vantage point, but is it higher enough to not include the lampost that circled in green in prev post? Or am I missing it in the ROT series - is it there in the Q pics?
Here is close up of the trafcam on the island in the junction, from SV OCT 2014.
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It may be high enough to match the view down the EMB in LONDON, ROT2, and ROT2,
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and close enough, being beside the lampost, to not get that lampost in frame,
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and high enough to include the two sign posts in a view of the hotel as per ROT3 and CH1.
BUT I think point 3 is the weakest point. It is likely that ROT3 was taken from the vantage of the trafcam above the elevator entrance at topof the stairway, given the angle of the view of the two signs in frame.
So four pics but two cameras?
IDK, two sauces seem to show no camera on perch. SV MAY 2014, from different images, and the ST PAT's vid, screencap from close and high res. Could have blended in but …
Here is a screencap from SV JUL 2014, vantage on the footbridge, which shows the back of the three advert boards on the handrail of the HISP ramp.
Comparison of SV JUL 2014 view of back of the 3 advert boards and ROT1 view of the front of those boards.
Also, note the additional sign, prolly a 'OPEN' hours sign, on the riverside wall - indicated by an arrow in these pics. The position is empty in the JUL 2014 image but is occupied in the Q image. This sign has not yet been spotted in any other open source images. So, find that sign in that position and you will have helped narrow the time range significantly.
Sometimes these decisive markers are a bit like finding Bigfoot. Kek.
Will post vids of the handrails that are fairly ambiguous depictions of the advert board position.
ROT2 compared with view from footbridge from SV JU 2014
Here is SV JUL 2014 image of the three lamposts for comparison with ROT2.
Seems that the Q pic was taken from near this vantage point. The trafcam above the elevator is directly behind and overhead of where the SV image was taken.
Think that at least ROT2 AND ROT3 were taken from that trafcam rather than the one on the post at the island.
To the right, Fren. The next lamposts are not in the pic because they are to the right of the frame.
LONDON shows moar of the garden than ROT1.
ROT1 shows moar of the riverside than LONDON.
Compare LONDON and ROT2. First look for the marker on the frence - 'B' - then relate it to the traffic light 'A'. These appear in both LONDON and ROT2 but are just to the right of frame in ROT1.
Compare with the SV images.
Scrutinize LONDON and ROT2 for 5 markers in common - see rectangles drawn around them - and look for the shadow on the sidewalk in common - a horizontal line drawn just above it. Take particular attention to the arrow type sign on lampost - the back of which is dark in both pics - this points toward the right of frame in both pics. It also appears in ROT1 but only its left edge is visible; however, two other markers are within frame that are also in both LONDON and ROT2.
Could provide close-up if needed.
Here is a 'reverse' view with four of the markers common in LONDON and ROT2. Note the arrow type sign up on lampost '1'. Orientate with the other markers. See the trafcam above the elevator, in background and orientate with the LONDON and ROT2 views.
While the camera on the post at the traffic island is almost lined-up with the elevator, it is not high enough to capture the lampost '1' in same relation with Big Ben that is captured in both LONDON and ROT2.
You could place LONDON ontop of ROT2 and match them up with the shape of Big Ben and then the lamp would almost perfectly match. Or do it the other way, match the lamp and the shape of Big Ben would match.
Could not be done from a lower height while also matching those other markers - especially the sign on lampost '1'.
>Imho it looks like we are, at best, level with the street lamps and our pic could have been taken from atop one.
Ok, you meant that a camera might have been mounted ontop of one of tthe lamposts.
But where is that lampost in SV images, Fren? The lampost on the island?
What are the odds that LONDON, ROT1, and ROT2 can each overlap the others almost perfectly at the Big Ben marker/ lampost '1' if one of the three lamposts in ROT2 was the perch from which LONDON was taken?
Reverse views from a greater distance from the three lamposts.
Find the common markers near the sidewalk - especially the 'arrow' type sign on lampost '1' and then orientate with the cropped view dropped here. The perspective does not work from atop one of those three lamposts for any of the EMB pics - LONDON included. ROT1-2-3 appear to have been taken from the same camera. This is not easy to discern, for sure, so perhaps a vid or gif showing the overlap at Big Ben would be useful. That would take a bit more time than I have at the moment but perhaps you can overlap by other means to test this point.
What is the object on rooftop above the elevator? It would be at a 'Goldilocks' just-so height between that of the top of lamposts and that of the trafcam hanging off the post farther above the elevator. But is it a camera or a camera mount right there?
CIRCLED IN RED.
Google Earth, 2013.
Perhaps a sconce that shines light across and through the translucent canopy? There are two objects almost flush against the wall above the canopy, one light and the other dark coloured. Suppose a night time image would help. If this was a camera position it would be not too high and not too low, yes?
Gotta run for now, frens, happy hunting.
By the way, the sign in ROT1 on the riverside wall may be the best bet of making a match that nails the date on which these pics were taken.
The previous pics were zoomed and dragged about so may not have remained true on compass. So here are the corrected GE views, just in case.
GE view that might confirm through comparisons.
Can change specs to match best estimates. Here are specs used - not much reasoning behind these just as starter.
CAM at Footbridge Elevator
CAM above Lift at top of stairway to footbridge.
Latitude 51°30'23.96"N
Longitude 0° 7'21.34"W
Height relative to ground, 15m.
19 Jul 2013 12:00 am
HUB of London Eye
HUB of London Eye
Latitude 51°30'10.90"N
Longitude 0° 7'11.08"W
Height relative to ground, 50m.
19 Jul 2013 12:00 am
The line was drawn at an atltidue of 50m above the ground i.e. relative to ground. Could be set for relative to sea level. Haven't figured way to set a tilt from one point of line to the other. Can tilt the view of the landscape only.
Since the moon is in the distance, would it be useful to plot the end point through the EYE and beyond to a distant landmark behind the EYE?
The method used was very, very, very simple and pretty much a shot in the dark. That is, I'm in the dark coz not up-to-snuff on details of prev determinations.
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ZOOMed to a view that resembled the map view that has been used by Boat. This could be refined.
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Plotted point over the elevator at about its back corner, NW CORNER, where the pole and camera are in SV.
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Plotted point over the HUB of London Eye, again using a view that resembles Boat's view of map.
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Drew a line by clicking on the points. Have not found a way to enter the co-ordinates for a line. Possible, I'd imagine, just haven't found.
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Set the line to display at about 50m above the ground. This altitude setting seems to be just for viewing to allow these objects to hover over the GE image.
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Then each plot's co-ordinates were noted down and repeated here with the resulting image grab.
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Throughout, repeatedly reset the compass and the tilt of the view so that north is north and south is south with 0 tilt, just flat top-down.
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Labeled with pins and titles.
Hope this helps to buttress Boat's map view or, if not, helps to further the efforts on the lunar info.
Can provide similar for the Critical Mass vantage point vis-a-vis the Eye as well as the position near Big Ben vis-a-vis the moon over the hospital.
Might that help thru triangulation? IDK.
View with points and the line 'clamped to the ground'. Broadened the view to include moar landmarks.
>London Eye
>50.5033N 0.1194W (I went 0.11947W)
That does not seem far enough north.
I pinned the hub of the EYE.
Latitude 51°30'10.90"N
Longitude 0° 7'11.08"W
What have I got wrong with the coordinates?
Entered the GE derived coordinates into GOOGLEMAPS.
Latitude 51°30'10.90"N
Longitude 0° 7'11.08"W
See pic.
Anon, is side 'a' relative to the ground surface or to altitude above sea level or some other reference point? Height above what?
Yeh, can move the pin to any position. The consistent way, I think, is to eliminate any tilt and to correct the compass to north - which only effects the view but if it is the view that is being used to position the pin, then, it indirectly would effect the position. Doing it by eye - by the EYE, kek.
Ok, ground level. The height of the camera? Of the position on the EYE relative to the apparent position of the moon in ROT? This would be altitude above a specific elevation on the topography.
Is the east side of Thames, ground, same height as the west side, ground, at foot of the elevator - street level? How much difference would matter - i.e wold a metre or less make too small a diff to bother taking into account?
Here a snippet of an interactive elevation map of London. The scale is also attached.
https://www.floodmap.net/?gi=2643743
FWIW.
Mooncal showed top of elevator to be at height of 9m. Rootop or bridge height?
And what surface was used for the EYE height? 18m.
Noice find. Looks gud. Please post the sauce.Can you provide full version of these graphics with dates from originals? Supplemental documents, too?
Have the maps distributed to customers. Posted in past breads w/links. Used in ruff vids also posted already. Prolly should be archived together with sauces for future reference by new eyes.
The Q pic was taken during the 2013/2014 Winter Wonderland, not earlier, not later, as per loads of open sauce vids and pics and according to the maps distributed to customers.
Need the sauce and, if available, originals dated. Not dated by us, but in the primary sauce. Much cleaner that way.
The plan you labeled as 2012 does not show the APRES ski bar next to WILDE MAUS but, instead, shows the CAROUSEL bar.
The ZIP LINE appeared in 2012/2013 and was not in the park in 2013/2014.
Details on the WILDE MAUS help date the Q pic, also. And on the righthand side of Q pic there is the edge of a wooden tower which is one of a pair connected by a sign that is shaped as an arch. This is labeled, ARCH, and appears betwixt the DOUBLE CAROUSEL and AVALANCHE in the plan labeled 2013 in your post of edited graphic plan.
Best to provide sauce, please, and, if available, originals with their dates on it. This is a very gud find, Anon, and worth documenting as cleanly as possible.
Vids and pics of the 2013/2014 season show otherwise, Anon. But if these plans are dated as you have indicated, then, needs to be reconciled with other evidence.
Appreciate the links and glad to have the info.
https://idoxpa.westminster.gov.uk/online-applications/files/9CA5E939F5456D7AC8C7BA60C0F409D1/pdf/12_06671_FULL-DRAFT_9-2429057.pdf
DATED 2012-2013
Look for the ZIP line.
This is link to the documents for 2013-2104.
https://idoxpa.westminster.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MQUP9CRPZ5000
Look for the ARCH and for APRES ski bar beside WILDE MAUS. There is another APRES SKI beside the BAVARIAN VILLAGE GREAT HALL.
The most dramatic differentiator between 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 is the ZIP LINE which did not appear in the Q pic but would have in 2012-2013 because of its height and because the Q pic is angled up with so much sky above WILDE MAUS. On the othe rhand, the other Q pic of WW showed the ground which was covered by different tiles in 2012-2013. The tiles in 2013-2014 are Q-matched.
Thank very much, Anon, for the sauce. This is a brilliant addition to the dig on WW pics.
The zip line would have been in the shot. Anon, in past breads vid evidence was posted which showed both the ground cover and the zip line from almost the same position as the vantage point of the Q pic.
Meanwhile, in 2013-2014, from an very similar vantage point, but slightly different due to the two wooden towers - ARCH - in the plaza, there was no zip line in vids/pics available online. Wide variety. Q pic matched 2013-2014 because that pic shows lots of above head space where the zip line would have been visible. So both above and below - ground cover - were emphasized by Q in the two pics situated at the theme park.
Go to this link for a collection of ruff vids compiled on this very topic.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn88ZwElo8aiY3sDag1MQPQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
For example.
https://youtu.be/-0VEfiuHxXA
Here is an open sauce vid 2012-2013, start around 5 mins, skip to 7mon15secs, or watch the full 8 minute duration.
https://youtu.be/cdprVPJ_Ndg