Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 2:30 a.m. No.13855399   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5408 >>5411 >>5916

>>13855380

>Do you have any proof that

We give people the methods, such as this book, and they explore on their own, usually. Groups, too, but it's an internal process so sharing it is difficult lol.

>that is what you observed?

Yes.

>>13855382

>

What did you think life was

Real.

>what do you now realize after engaging with that material life really is?

We're having the wildest lucid dream we've ever imagined, and I'm not even sure what "we" means in this context.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 2:57 a.m. No.13855506   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5554

>>13855498

Killing has a negative connotation but that's a word that was used traditionally. "If you meet the Divine One on the path, kill him!", means "If you think you've found the end of your journey, stop thinking!". Something like that. People today often take this stuff too literally, and get lost, so I wouldn't use the phrase kill these days.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 3:27 a.m. No.13855589   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5596

>>13855582

I realize now that misread your comment. I thought you said things were dark lol. If you are confused then you want manjushri, not vajrasattva, although both would probably work. Each practice has a specialty. Vajrasattva purifies, manjushri increases wisdom, helps you remember things, etc. Good for studying, for example.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 3:32 a.m. No.13855603   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5611

>>13855596

Mhm. To suck us into believing it. Like that line from the first matrix movie where they say the original matrix was pure bliss, but it didn't seem real enough, so it was rejected until a hell-world of suffering and death was created, because them it was believable.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 3:50 a.m. No.13855663   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5674

>>13855611

>if you presuppose some kind of conscious "god" figure as "the universe"/"creator"/"hallucination" he would want his audience to like the play he puts on.

This is more detailed than what I'd normally say here but void is blissful yet boring, full stop. If you can meditate perfectly, then it's just blissful, timelessly, which is the equal opposite of forever, yet looping back into itself somehow. Anyway, you get what I mean. That's what it all leads up to. The fanciful imagery is powerful in it's own right in the shingon, vajra and zen schools, but in the end that gets burnt away too, for those that are going that far. Allegedly, not everyone is. Allegedly, most aren't. That makes you a potential curiosity lol.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:02 a.m. No.13855703   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5712

>>13855674

What you're describing is common in many systems, including hinduism and buddhism.

In my opinion, if you haven't asked every question relating to this stuff that you can think of, and really explored it as far as you can, you're selling yourself short. There are ways of explaining things through logic, but only certain beings will understand it. You can find them if you look, though.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:12 a.m. No.13855738   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5740 >>5944 >>6092

>>13855712

If you look within you see the nothing directly. Only saints do that. You asking about this sort of stuff suggests you might be one of those (or not). That's up to stuff beyond my conscious control. Have fun finding out, I suppose!

Inner fire is what you seek. I suggest looking into it. It's not so secret these days.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:34 a.m. No.13855798   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5855

>>13855780

>questioning my role in it

Everyone is the star of the show, which makes being the star meaningless. Everything's recursive until you stop thinking about it. When mental activity stops, the dream is halted. That is the real end result of meditation, not merely peace of mind or whatever.

>i know there is a reason i am here

Every action you chose led you to this from one temporary desire, temporary goal, to the next. Beginnings becoming endings, then you get bored and start doing something else. How you deal with it is up to you.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:40 a.m. No.13855813   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13855806

Everything you've done to others, you will experience in some form, because, as it is a dream, there is nowgere else for it to go. It is all you. Everything you do inevitably effects you, and habits repeat and repeat, for better or worse. Everything I did to my father growing up is now done to me, lol. I see things like that happening regularly. Most people have a LOT to work through, whether you want to look at that from a spiritual or purely mental and emotional level.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:50 a.m. No.13855858   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5863

>>13855841

If you decide all narratives are equally meaningless, as they only exist as temporary thoughts within the mind, invisible and formless, and then see that seeking meaning is only seeking a sort of ultimate narrative which doesn't exist except as a thought, you may find the ability to stay optimistic comes more naturally.

Anonymous ID: a3bad3 June 8, 2021, 4:56 a.m. No.13855872   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5878

>>13855863

When you wrre a kid you thought pikachu, or batman or whatever, was meaninful. You had toys and clothes that you wore that you felt defined you, made you cooler, just by having them. Then you got older and realized it was just cheap crap dreamed up by a drunk japanese salaryman and made for pennies in a chinese sweatshop. All that meaning disappeared.

Everything is like that. You could grow out of it all if you lived long enough.