Board Admin Issues
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BO spent a lotta time here that last coupla days, you all have a pretty good idea of where i stand.
Tired of the fighting, enough is enough.
You all know how to bake. SO BAKE.
If you have a SPECIFIC CONCERN about BAKING or the BOARD (not other bakers), contact me here: F4AL@protonmail.com.
Best of luck to you all.
BO
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…and the beat goes on….
https://youtu.be/bS3O5zg290k
https://archive.ph/wip/cL6sk /web/20220127070723/https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/13699736.html
A'''rchive of previous Meta thread
'''Saved due to change in board ownership, interesting discussions.
this is doge trying to protect the bake i assume. but not too popular with other bakers, right? don't know him much but a bit of a character to be sure…..
TBH, if it were me, i would just do as he asked: do notes for a couple hundred. Then ask for the bake again. why not? (hard if he's not your cup of tea but important to at least try to cooperate)
interesting that this tactic - whether liked or not - has the effect of making anons think about how shills like oss get in there: because they will never had the patience to do this.
if it were me, i would just do as he asked: do notes for a couple hundred. Then ask for the bake again. why not?
what is interesting is that this tactic - whether liked or not: it has the effect of making anons think about how shills like oss get in there: because they will never had the patience to do this.
You also offered to take the bake. But could note instead then ask again.
>name tags
useful for discussions, bc when it comes to baking, each baker has unique ideas about how it should be. some want long notes, some want short. this and that. helps get to the crux of various disagreements so we can pinpoint the core of someone's objections and find solutions.
You are right - Chiro better since baker Doc has been around for years
ps I am not gerbil
dunno bakers well enough to judge, bakers had to go underground on QR unless they wanted to get picked off by oss. so are now just 'resurfacing' a little.
over time, it becomes clear whether someone is a "character" (quirky), a lone wolf, or a shill. Time will tell.
the problem with oss baking is that his notables are shit, and not wanted by anyone. Hence, banned. He may bake, but his notes if crappy, can be thrown out if anons next bread don't like them. Next baker is free to edit or grab the dough from oss (if BVs are there, they can help pin him down). "Bad notes" include board politics, muh joos, other nasties, irrelevant filler, unsauced stuff, non-news.
links to CP are legally CP
do a global report
try to search side threads if you ever have a chance
this stuff will get us either with ZERO images or DEPLATFORMED for good.
They never stop trying.
is Baqer G gerbil?
this speaks to a larger issue about the dough
it's "slimmed down" at the moment
not my doing or admin's, happened months ago
makes baking easier as much of the reference info is ignored by anons (to be honest)
but should we still have it prominentally displayed in the dough each bread?
IDK
but not a simple question, not black and white
can be discussed more but can't do everything at once
meanwhile, important that we have ONE DOUGH
no bread splits
anons hate them, bakers hate them, often it just the one splitting who wants the split
officially, any split (except to avoid oss bake) won't be supported by BVs
signed in baker is authorized baker
>vetting on short notice
short notice can be a problem, nobody likes sudden change, kek
>talk it out with oss?
could fill a book - a fat one - with baker efforts to talk it out with oss
just look at baker meta thread on comms
time for talk ended long ago
whatever your beliefs about jews or anybody, when they are bashed on this board, it reflects on Q.
that's why it's discouraged and if spammed, is deleted.
10% of iuds are jew bashing
yep - could delete the individual jabs but it's like dandelions in the grass
there have always been bakers who don't get along
but if there is a core group who CAN get along, this will help
espec if these are the ones who bake daily or close to it
go to /tech/
think it's already been pinned, dunno about locked
>bakers sometimes have no time to check qresear.ch or read thru pb notables
daytime breads were always a problem when Q posted
breads are much slower now, it's good for bakers to at least PERUSE pb notables
i always have except when grabbing a bread @200 or more - then all bets are off!
Can also ask when posting notes if anons see dups
lotta eyez out there….
>baker who does anon-nom notables posts 2-3 notes at 300
>is he worthy?
this "anon nommed notables" thing has been goin on forever
much like the "anons should learn to bake" thing
short answer to your question is PROBABLY NO-unless baker is also a fan of "anon-nommed notables only"
Whatever anyone thinks anons OUGHT to do -
anons will do what they WANT to do, and there will be a general "sense" of what the group as a whole wants and is capable of.
con't.
GENERALLY (imo):
Anons are VERY GOOD at finding news from alt-news sources
Anons are VERY GOOD at calling out poor or non existent sauce
Autist anons can be VERY GOOD at linking current events to Q posts or to @45 actions/EOs/etc.
Analytical anons can be VERY GOOD at bringing together info from diverse sources and looking at its implications. This is deep level research, and is often discussed by anons in illuminating ways - ironically often OVERLOOKED by bakers because it's harder to evaluate (espec if it's not baker's area of expertise).
BUT
Anons are not particularly interested in board politics except as it affects their ability to dig or meme.
Most do not want to bake - they are smart enough to know how to stay outta harm's way.
Many lack the skill to note bc schools are so shitty at teaching objective writing now (it's all "journaling"). Can help that by providing info on how to note (and for anons, on how to post) - forthcoming.
Most like the baker to pick up 'currents events' articles that are timely and relevent but not 'special' enough to be called out as notable (it's TEDIOUS to call out meat-and-potatoes fare that way, it's still decent news that needs to get out)
SO
we may say "anons must nom"
but so far, it hasn't happened
Don't let the IDEAL destroy the REAL.
muy 2 cents worth
Baker id can be handled by bakers
Shill id can ONLY be handled by admins
Should ALL of the power to decide who bakes be in the hands of admins?
>reference material
One way or another, there will DEFINITELY be a place for reference material - and anons will be consulted about it
I tried a coupla times as anon to get bakers to put back pages 3 and 4 in Dec when i noticed they were "missing"
Still don't know who made the decision and how it was made
I like reference material but i am a digger
Also spend a coupla weeks once going thru the dough, so i know what's there
but for a long time, for over a year, it was just a huge mass of data to me - so i see the problem with "wall of reference data" - but also like to have certain things at hand. For example, HOW TO BAKE AND EBAKE.
The priority when arriving was to develop a uniform dough upon which most could agree. The comments i saw indicated overall agreement but needs to be revisited, that was in the first few days of new admin. Things like this are done in stages. So we could consider the present dough to be conditional.
What i like or what bakers like has to be looked at from anon pov too. Anon-centered approach, helps to unify the work. (i mean really anon centered not just the rhetoric.)
ha ha
looks like that was literally one of the last - but there were MANY straws before
OSS was a respected baker in winter 2020. A little rigid but competant and accepted by other bakers. Then he started criticizing in weird ways (no evidence) - going after several bakers using his recopied posts ("muh graphics"). Then a frontal attack with red text - beaten back by facts and so defeated.
At start of May, he "apologizes" and claims nervous breakdown, oh so sorry to have stabbed 4 of 5 bakers in the back, just tired. KEK. Then comes back two months later for the coup de gras. Snake like, cannot negotiate with that.
Good point re filtering but how do you know at top of bread handoff who is offering to bake?
>Baker should be allowed to choose who they handoff to
always
Yup.
Why we need coverage - bc otherwise, baker must eventually GHOST. And anyone can pick it up. There have been many interesting graveyard bakes as a result. KEK.
Admins can support good baking but it would be good to see a kitchen that can mostly support itself. Kitch used to be a counterpoint to admin, which is why FJ admins always talked about "bakers union" - to weaken the kitch so admins could control completely.
One thing we need: a bin that has info on baker's work, on recent bakes, etc. Pastebin and Q-bin had that and i used it to track my own work. Used Q-bin to get info on coverage, when bakers are needed, etc.
The apps currently used (controlc and fullchan) are basic, need coder(s) who could flesh out fullchan (it's open source and in house, so that's a start).
Did you see what i said about your asking anons to post notes? I would just post notes. But i have to say, since bakers all have different approaches to notes, even good notetakers might not like the prospect of having their decisions dissected in public.
It made people think tho. Dunno what u wanna do in the future, we haven't yet got a way worked out yet to make it easier to see 'sup. And wont for a while. But it is much better than even a week ago. Getting better all the time.
Den of Absolute Ritards = DOAR
i had to ask, too
>if it was me, i would rqst last bread id /s
how does the baker know it's yours?
(probably in your case, bc of the 'special dough'! but dough is spozed to be uniform, ha ha - so SHOULDN'T work, right?)
Support for namefagging -
not the first time for that discussion is it?
(your cue to laugh)
Suppose i say we are moving in the right direction but need some time.
Whaddya say?
Trust develops over time.
When bakers cooperate to work out differences, trust grows.
Tolerance is necessary as well because bakers are by nature independent thinkers (so are BOs).
Strong opinions mean tolerance is a challenge.
You had strong opinions about namefagging, but your opinion changed due to experience. To understand that our present opinion may not be ….hmmm…optimal - that's helps us to cooperate with others with different opinions.
Another example - you mentioned BAKERS SELF NOTING
On big boards like QR, competition for space in notables is high. Since bakers have a 'competitive advantage' self noting is discouraged.
On smaller boards, the diggers ARE the bakers. Digger collects the notes and bakes them, maybe with help, maybe not.
So really depends on the situation i think.
Saw a baker ask anons if ok to self-nom yesterday - looked at his post, seemed good so i nommed.
Like the idea of RULES OF THUMB rather than just RULES (at least for most things).
>Bakers are either anon, or shill.
disagree
i dunno who is posting and don't wanna know
but look at your post
all emotion - pissed off
not down with that, plz cool off b4 you post here
this is about discussion not blaming
I'd delete this but it's a good example of what we don't want in a discussion thread.
these too
Go cool off
Stop posting now.
BO
Gotta go, company soon.
if i come back and find a big fight, not gonna make anybody's day.
look at the thread above -
good discussions
that's what we're about
WHERE WE GO ONE WE GO ALL.
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