This is what I had in mind. Make any adjustments to my estimate if you think. Just remember that for their selfie pose she must approach her friend and they pivot a bit. Most important though is that the sign tree must be to the right of the couple in the WM pic.
She has her friend kind of lined up with the ladies at the sign tree.
As I look at your overhead inset to the Q pic, there could be some adjusting. For reference, (left to right): ladies at sign tree, guy with teddy bear, girl taking pic. I am with you on surv cam location, but mebbe could refine our line of sight using that as our guide.
>Maybe LP was at sign tree in both WW pics.
That’s a new theory I never heard anyone mention. Girl in cable-knit or light sweater? Has her look.
>In panorama, CAM is approx in place the GU & GAL stood for selfie.
I kinda favor your orig theory of fsurv cam betw the towers. I envisage the girl, after taking her friend’s picture, approaching his position at the red X to pose for their selfie. Reason I see her approaching him is because he is already juggling his selfie-stick, teddy bear and a shopping bag between his knees to prevent it getting wet and dirty on the ground. His position works for the fsurv wide angle shot as well. It keeps the sign tree on the right of the selfie couple.
>What if couple were NOT actual targets?
>Props for pic-taking?
>In both Q pics both Q cam AND couple's cans aimed toward potential subjects in background as well as each other?
Yup. Have always kept those two ladies in the running. We in UK bred never presuppose our targets are perfectly framed. After all, Q has come right out and said this. Swiped or stolen can be from passers-by or in the vicinity. Can be used in desperation if trying to get an idea where the target is but there would be no guarantee of good shots or any at all if persons nearby didn’t have their phones out.
>What if couple were NOT actual targets?
>Props for pic-taking?
>In both Q pics both Q cam AND couple's cans aimed toward potential subjects in background as well as each other?
Yup. Have always kept those two ladies in the running. We in UK bred never presuppose our targets are perfectly framed. After all, Q has come right out and said this. Swiped or stolen can be from passers-by or in the vicinity. Can be used in desperation if trying to get an idea where the target is but there would be no guarantee of good shots or any at all if persons nearby didn’t have their phones out.
>Panorama sauce's cam had legs, natch, which stood about the same spot where GUY & GAL stood during the WW pic that was taken by Q cam betwixt towers, slightly back toward rear side of Doughnut tower.
See >>16039088
I envision two diff angles. First, GREEN ARROW(fsurv) is to the right of where the girl is pointing her cam. Second, RED ARROW, is from between the towers where you said.
Well, my green arrow prolly should start from the side of the doughnut tower as you placed it. Makes sense to be around there. Then maybe sneak around back of tower and snap next pic from betw the towers.
>Watching you watching him watching me?
Here’s fun thought. What if asian girls were faking a selfie to photograph the couple’s selfie. An asian intelligence surv. I gotta admit something has always bugged me about that fsurv wide angle and here’s why: How come this camera was still able to get a nice shot of those same 4 people just over the heads of those asian girls? I don’t care what can be said that asian women might be short. Although I can’t tell if any of the asian girls might be ‘pretend’ posing for a selfie, it’s just a weird shot to take over the heads of people. Idk.
Found what I think is an actual Christmas Day, 25DEC2013 short vid. It is posted Christmas Day, so far a very rare day to be posting don’t you think? Am getting frerlz this was actually Christmas and the poster wanted to send this short vid out to her fam. The vid only had 8 views when I first saw it.
Has some never before seen, on the ground, reverse views looking back at sign tree and arch towers.
On that right hip roof ridge, I see only one light near the eaves. See for yourselves at 01:00 min. It’s daylight but decorative lights are lit. Can’t see the third light lit. Could be it’s the last 10 days of WW and moar lights have burned out. Take a look.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9y0L1FCh0
Some vidcaps from vid. I think moar bulbs are lit on that hip roof ridge than I first noticed. Possibly 4. Definitely 3. And a poss ID on that bright light source in that area of the chips and doughnut towers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9y0L1FCh0
So, criteria for Candy Floss cart Q match appear met in this vidya:
1) Third light from bottom of front right ridge is LIT.
2) Three lights on the right rear ridge are LIT.
>Recording showed morn, afternoon, evening, dark of night.
Can you say why you think they were there in the morning, Anon? No big deal. Just asking. Could they have arrived in the afternoon? Found a clock in Tower plaza. Looks like 3:13pm, which is about an hour and 15 minutes to sunset. Not that it matters, but they might have arrived in the afternoon.
Sorry, sunset on 24DEC2013 was about 3:55pm. Some 42minutes after the Tower Plaza sequence.
Think that plastic curtain on left side of CF stand was always there? So maybe not a gud marker? See pic. Seems like a shower curtain like sheeting? Mebbe to just keep a cold wind at bay?
I have never seen the stand operators for that stand. Do they situate themselves in the middle somehow? You are right about ‘closing shop’ with it. But if it was me, and there was a constant breeze from the North, I’d be leaving the drapes on that side up.
You bin werkin hard, Anon.
Have a virtual Coca-Cola.
I know I better get one myself.
I habs sum readin to do.
Cheers.
I really like this vidcap as it reveals the line of lights, esp. along the main roof ridge to be affixed to a solid bar, which I think you have begun to call an ‘array’. This should change how we perceive any changes in the light patterns. We are not talking about common flexible light strands which the average person might use to decorate their house. The lights on the roof ridges of the Candy Floss stand are semi-permanently, if not permanently affixed to what I consider a hard FRAME, the shape of which being all of the roof ridges welded together. This kind of permanency provides a periodicity as to where one should expect the next light socket to be affixed to the frame of a greater array. The reason for this array being a super-structure, as opposed to simply affixing lights to the roof of the cart itself is possibly related to a need to partially disassemble these carts. I simply don’t know. But it remains that there is a discernible roof array, maybe made of some square-tube metal to which the lights sockets are attached. Maybe they are single light bars that are assembled together over the roof.
Was going to say to you to trust that right rear periodicity on a rigid light bar. I agree that mystery reddish bulb could be rear left (top) ridge light. If you drew a rear right projection as you did the front right ridge, I’m sure this would be apparent, and that we have just a little length of the main roof ridge exposed which, if we follow it to the rear, we could expect to possibly see the topmost light of the left rear ridge array peaking over the ridge.
Try adding to your original projection diagram, showing both the front and rear right ridges.
I thot there were some gud opposite rear views of the rear arrays. Will look again.
And it’s poss that top rear light is a ghost light. Will habs keep in mind looking at vids.
I think I can make out all 5 right rear ridge lights in this lightened pic.
Alright, gonna maybe repeat myself, but mebbe can be forgiven as, yes going over same sauces but for different markers this time. And well, sometimes it’s just not the right time in the conversation.
I wanted to get a clean view of the 11DEC2013 vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=von-8hpHmeA
Wanted to see that front right ridgeline. I have what may be a speculative theory but it’s not completely off base. Remember the cap of the displaced array?
Call me crazy but I think it’s poss that in the 11DEC vid there is no right right ridge array. No lights, no Christmas garland, no strong shadow there. There is a mild shadow but one that could just be the ridge itself.
Theory goes like this: On 4DEC (German pic) the light array damaged/pulled away from its normal position. Mebbe increasing winds? Just the next day there were 30km/hr winds, the strength of which not to be matched until the severe storm on 23DEC. OTHER EVIDENCE: Could also have been damaged some other way also. I figure the 11DEC vid sauce is more likely taken on or about 7 or 8DEC based on the open source recorded Moon phase. The Moon recorded in the 11DEC vid looks more like a moon phase from 7 or 8DEC.
Now that is only 4-5 days after we saw a damaged right front array.
Could the damaged array have been removed for repairs to be done at the Electrical Engineering Section this traveling fun fair no doubt has. I can imagine it has a handful of full-time electricians on hand just for such repairs. The timing is real close. It works. But just on the lunar open source, I would put the vid alone as not later than 8DEC.
Setting aside my theory on electrical repair of the ‘missing’ array, and just addressing the unlit bulbs seen in the 11DEC2013-P vid, the soft bookend created by the lunar match for “no later than” 8DEC will only allow us to say we have no proof the unlit bbs were not repaired the very next day on 9DEC2013. Until we find open sauce showing the lights remained unlit beyond 9DEC, then we can only place our stake in the ground as maybe not before 9DEC (for the candy floss lights marker).
>Question: How quickly does night fall in London winter? Duration of dusk? Does it hasten in December? Fluctuating markedly?
Maybe I can answer most of those with one response. The twilight time, between sunset and total dark, is about 40 minutes. We have of course the earliest sunsets of the year in December from 3:52 to 4:01pm. Not much difference to be noted.
Hasten? No more so in December than any other time of the year.
http://www.world-timedate.com/astronomy/sunrise_sunset/sunrise_sunset_time.php?city_id=148&month=12&year=2013&sun_param=0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TurhQyCmoc4
From a completely different angle and the same bulb(s) are affected.
Of course a bit of overcast or clouds on the Western horizon could create an artificial extension of a sunset/twilight time period.
>Looks different from original Q pic.
Okay, gonna need you to put those side by side, Q pic vs 19DECvlogger banners. Personally I don’t see a difference. Can you compare them, bulb by bulb please?
Well I just want to see what you think we might be seeing in those 2 banners in question. So let me just post these (possible) banners for the Q and 19DECvlogger vidcap. Just posting these for you to make corrections. I might not be seeing them as close matches at all.
First of all, thanks for labeling your vidcaps. I am atm very confused on just these 2 vidcaps showing the rear of the CF stand. Am going to use terminology as if facing the stand in the Q pic to eliminate moar confusion.
Am I wrong or do I see the topmost LEFT REAR ridge light as being LIT in one of those caps but then seeing it UNLIT in another of the 19DECvlog-P caps?
See these 2 caps on the same evening?
Not sure if I’m having MagicEye(tm) or MagicBrain.
This one cap seems not to agree with all of the others for symmetry between the topmost RIGHT REAR and LEFT REAR lights especially as seen from above in vidcaps from WM coaster. Idk
My MagicEye I guess.
Thank you, Bakes. Have a virtual Coke on me.
Yes, that’s the spot I (#5) expected to see a LIT bulb. Seems not uniform vs the other caps seeming to be uniform.
Am I getting my vids mixed up?
Sorry, my caps not showing?
I haven’t seen any probs with images loading. I can see all images posted. No 404s on this end.
Okay, what I was referring to were the two images posted here.
——— >>16066357
I screengrabbed them. Mebbe that’s the prob?
Okay these are the overhead images which seem to me to show both the #5 rear ridge lights close together and LIT but #1 UNLIT on Left rear ridge. But I that 19DECVLOG-P cap looks not to match as I am seeing it- looks like #5 is out.
Sorry for confusion.
Okay I have noticed that there does appear at some point a
4-5-4-5 light kind if pattern when all lights are lit?
RFront 4
LFront 5
RRear 5
LRear 4
Is that true? Or did it become true at some point?
Like this
I was beginning to think it was supposed to be 4-5-4-5. Nevermind. Perhaps someone trying to save bulbs yet retain a kind of symmetry. Carry on then.
Where were we?
So there is an actual #5 socket on not just the left rear ridge but on ALL ridges? And in some picks the #5 or 1, or any could be out?
Symmetry.
So in the 19DECvblog vid, is the #5 bulb lit throughout the vid?
Well, I went off looking for that 19DEC vid and wtf. I found a new poster of 2013 WW vids. He has like a 130 micro vids of each attraction. I think they are from 30NOV. A really cool all the way from the back shot of the plaza from a Chynese food stand near Xmas Grill with ground cover orientation from that area pointing back to towers.
Czech it out.
https://youtu.be/7ANhOCq8XiU
And for the full list:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ANhOCq8XiU&list=PLMoQqtV1j5dlPuy5Q-DJAw4hhH5mXgK77&index=104
This Vlad guy. He posted a lot of vids but do you think they were from 30NOV? It also shows weak spots where the Garry Knight pic and the 25NOV2013vid showed unlit bulbs. Seems a match for those 2.
This pic shows a certain bulb unlit that seems so in all of our NOV pics and caps? Did we not include it because we were not certain of the date?
That’s very nice. Works for me.
Takin a break. Back in a while.
A check of London weather from 9DEC to 31DEC, looking for:
a) some precipitation that day
b) clear skies near closing around 9:30 to 10:00pm
finds 5 dates that match for weather. They are 13, 19, 22, 30 and 31DEC.
Just posting this to keep in mind.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/london/historic?month=12&year=2013
My early Christmas wish would be that it was 22DEC coz that wud be nice and close to LISAMI6 being on 24/25DEC.
I had still thot the subject open for discussion. The efforts are not mine. We have not really discussed them one by one. I posted I think 6 so far in the last bread. I have expressed some disagreement with you on one or two of the banners but don’t consider the issues closed in my mind. If you are wanting to make a video, I don’t think I want to include my current positions on those banners right now. We agree on just about everything else. If you feel the need to include the current state of the banners in a vid then I suppose you could mention there is some disagreement on the banners due the fuzziness of the pictures.
Let’s remind ourselves that we have always agreed to disagree on what we ‘see’ in the pixels. It hasn’t stopped us digging a shit ton of really gud stuff on the London digs together.
Here might be an idea: How about you post your idea of where you see unlit bulbs on the banners and mebbe I’ll put an orange dot on them where I think there might be moar unlit bulbs? Just an idea- if you think the dig is at that point yet.
Fantastic job, Bakes. Thank you very much. And especially for bringing up the sauces too. You are awesome.
Okay, fren. Makin’ progress. Was just looking back bread. We just barely started this dig at the end of March.
Anon, want to make you and other anons understand my reasoning for thinking there are two unlit bulbs seen on the upper left of the 19DECVLog-P vid. The reasoning is this: There is what appears a lit bulb with a gap in the light on both sides of it. Had there been a lit bulb on either side of it there would be no light gap adjacent to the lighted bulb on either side. But as the lighted bulb seems to be isolated like an island, I think there is an UNLIT bulb on either side of it thusly: >>16065707
And so I am representing it thusly:
>Somehow I managed to get the 17 DEC Kalpachev and the 19 DEC Vlogger out of order…
Kek, If you manage get them in proper order please let us know because we actually still do not know the order as of yet. Whatever order you might have found them in was/remains a speculative ordering of the vidcaps and pics. The reason is simple. We just don’t know exactly when the vids were TAKEN as opposed to when they were POSTED. But thanks for your conscientious concern. o7