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Tanks Bakes.

>>15955073

Thnx bakerer.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 27, 2022, 1:43 p.m. No.15958032 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8313 >>1747

IN THE LAST BREAD, the EMB/CH pics dig made a great leap forward cutting the timeframe bookends in half. On 4MAR of this month an anon found a NEW PIC showing the green-lettered FIRST-AID sign dated 27JAN2014. This greatly reduced the outside ‘not after’ bookend from 2MAR2014 to 27JAN2014 for the CH EMB pics.

In particular, the CH2 pic. Prior to this find, the suspected timeframe for the EMB/CH pics had been from Christmas Eve to 2MAR (about 60 days). The new timeframe is roughly 34 days from roughly Christmas 2013 to 27JAN2014. Good work, Anon.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 27, 2022, 2:33 p.m. No.15958313 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1747

>>15958032

Was a bicycle parked against the posts at corner of The Corinthia Hotel? Northumberland Avenue and Whitehall Place.

A bike appeared right there on the sidewalk in each and every Q pic which included THAT spot outside the hotel.

Pic related.

Compare pic of woman who posed for selfie in Q1456 v pic of woman on front stoop in news-photo in Q1721.

For emphasis, compare pics, not woman.

>>15958928

Pic comparison.

(A) Q1456

Shot with wider angled lens, distorted, night with loads of ambient artificial light, possible filler flash from man's camphone, note his shadow on her shoulder/facial flank, cam vantage above typical head height but including lots of vertical ie coaster and sky above, subject of photo ambiguos – the Plaza backdrop. Posed for photo within photo. Note tickets in hand.

(B) Q1721

Shot in broad daylight, winter in Wash DC, zoomed, medium distance, pro photo snapper, candid pic not staged in obvios pose. Could've been staged but looks impromptu with subject unprepared, unaware.

For emphasis, Q1456 was photo within photo. The subject held tickets in pose for selfie in front of one of the main attractions of 2013 WW season. The Q pic could've been taken by friendly along for the ride/day. BUT cam position suggests possibility of mounted device either handheld by pedestrian or fixed on nearby structure.

My hunch is fixed to structure behind wooden towers with clear line of sight into Plaza. Hunch = speculation. Gatheribg ictorial evidence. Request for pics, vids, caps from towers and behind. Even revist prev sauces.

Significance? If fixed, AND friendly, then "knowingly", then friendly with security. Useful for dating pic, IDK, however, if Q Pic and selfie pic indicate tickets for Wilde Mouse rather than other rides, THEN, could be other pics taken by commercial camera on tracks by Wilde Mous attraction. Such pics are timed per car and offered for a fee. Not saved … unless … seewatEYEmeans, frens?

>>15958928

I still see an Asian woman in the Q pic.

Now the hard part, this was posted last night. I do not recall having seen the bottom pic at any time. Is it authentic Q or a try at distraction? I ask because if it is indeed Lisa Page n the Embankment pics, and Fang Fang in the WW pics, then this just got as more complicated as it did intriguing and thus motivational for digging

>>15959176 (me)

oops, the post was:

General Research #20177 >>15955181

Didn't think to look up Q1722 (literal 300 years ago) until just now. Just so happens to include "sea level" beside the curved London street being cross by the famous LOVERS, kek, with Themes and the EYE in the background. Today is the first day of Daylight Savings Time ("Dark to Light") in the UK… and Mother's Day. Anon wonders if Mother's Day is a "think mirror, and instead of a birth, the Queen Mother dies.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 27, 2022, 5:43 p.m. No.15959378 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4211 >>6326

>>15959121

Now comparing woman.

Q1456 hairline obscured in man's shadow. General features make fair match, given conditions. Especially re little if any makeup?

Crooked when teeth not shown, not gummy smile, expression of ,,, what?

Pic here hintsm of frooked smile breakibg out?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 27, 2022, 5:55 p.m. No.15959459 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>0059

>>15959176

Yeh, that was a pic that Q reposted. It compared crosswalk woman w news photo of LP however the emphasisnof anon's comparison was big handbag. Looked bit like quasi briefcase for office. Oversized for purse, IDK.

https://qanon.pub/data/media/12d57a5523bba938f1a82d5b20e8905327925ddad6674ef04c85885ae8c2bf64.jpeg

In reposted pic, was that a red bag? Colour scheme.

>>15959176

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 27, 2022, 7:10 p.m. No.15960059 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>0944 >>1175

>>15959459

Consider:

The Embankment series shows Lisa Page and Peter Stzrok (FBI Counter-Intelligence) working to make sure Hillary Clinton is POTUS in 2016 Election. Imagine not enough Dominion/Smartmatic voting machines are in place to ensure victory, thus "insurance policy." Does not matter who else is running against HRC, just that victory must be assured. These two are Minor Players that may be used in a Major way. Low enough level to be moved so as Gina Haspel, C_A Station Cheif at the time would not worry so much and if she did, Brennan would say "it's cool" and she'd leave it alone.

Winter Wonderland shows Fang Fang, Chinese intel agent, and Eric Swalwell, House Intelligence Committee. Recall that Hillary's private server granted access to China. China has a huge stake in HRC being President, as in continuing Hussein's sell out via the Trans Pacific Partnership. Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein are both cool with this as they get enriched since Feinstein's husband negotiated the deal that gave China control over so much of the Los Angeles/Long Beach Port Complex. Pelosi's Dad had Mafia ties, so I bet she does as well and maybe Tong connections or at least more Mafia in California. I tend to think Pelosi was told "a deal is being made, do your part and you are Speaker of the House in a Democrat Majority."

The Black Box indicates involvement of Iran, as said box is just outside NIOC House, as in National Iranian Oil Company for new eyes, a place known to have been the site of deals made to supply Iran with weapons and equipment previously. Recall Hussein sending pallets of cash to Iran for the Nuclear Deal. How does one get pallets of anything meant to stay hidden from the United States to Iran? That's Logistics, with a bit of having any one outside the loop that reports such a matter discredited or outright silenced.

An aircraft departing the US and arriving at Heathrow is a common occurance. Military aircraft depart US and arriving in UK also common. Trying to aerial refuel for direct flight to Iran adds too many pieces, and increases the risk that said aircraft will have an in-flight problem. Divert Field? Complication. Crash? Big Complication, what was promised was not delivered when promised.

Iran wants to have Power and Influence in the Region, something they have never really had. A nuclear-capable Iran puts a boot on the neck of Saudi Arabia, and Shi'ite Iran wants to make Sunni Saudi Arabia kowtow very badly. Old scores to settle. Iran, with US dollars to buy, gets what they need from France, China, and former Soviets to become a Nuclear Power in exchange for taking over as the Boogeyman. Russia is doing their own thing, creating gas pipelines to Europe and such. The Cold War is over, so Military-Industrial Complex needs someone to fear to convince tax payers that these hugely expensive weapons systems they want to sell are for protection. Nuke-capable Iran makes the total forces of Saudi Ariabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, and basically any Nation in range of a missile neglibible. Thus the need for the World's Policeman, the United States.

The mullahs in Iran enjoy Power and Influence to threaten any neighbour country, or Israel, or really anybody they want and finally be a Big Player on the World Stage. US has a fear-factor for "wet-dream weapons" and other NATO countries continue to reduce Forces as a "Peace Dividend" because the now defunct Soviet Union was a lot closer than far-off Iran. Let the World's Policeman deal with them with their wonder-weapons at US taxpayers expense so we in Europe may win Popular Support for whatever we may do in Europe. Germany shall cover autobans and farm fields with solar panels (not that efficient, really bad on a cloudy day and useless covered in snow but Hey! We are saving you from Climate Change)

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 27, 2022, 9:11 p.m. No.15960944 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1896

>>15960059

>The Embankment series shows Lisa Page and Peter Stzrok (FBI Counter-Intelligence) working to make sure Hillary Clinton is POTUS in 2016 Election.

Not confirmed that either or both outside USA kuch less in London. Pics very open to many directions.

Your speculations are plausible, by means other than presence of two particular indivuals within London pics. In a way that reduces significance of the place and time of the pics. Not necessarily a bad thing, natch, but also not necessary.

Can't ID the woman with just these pics coz too blurred. Wilde-Mous-produced pics and/or ticket purchases and/or travel expenses could do it and we have no access on our own. Need moar on whereabouts of LP or Fang to place one near the scene. At least out of USA.

The little we do have does not exclude LP in the WW pics. On other hand, eyes, cheeks, mouth and height make a fair Q match. Not firmly locked, still open.

Have noticed lots of doubles, vaguely look-alikes, on scenes of false flag events. Sometimes a hat or length,of hair or top or trousers is enough in blurry pics. But in WW vids, hardly any red touques, which miggt expect to be quite common during Chridtmas time at Chtistmas themed park.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 27, 2022, 9:20 p.m. No.15961016 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1417

>>15958928

Anon, how did you get that enhanced WW couple pic? I could not comment on it before knowing whether it is a simple enhancement or a blend of another picture to arrive at that image.

Do not want to be thought a gatekeeper, but please be on guard against conflating the images of people at EMBANKMENT (ie the woman with a shoulder bag) with the people at WW (woman with a shoulder bag) without further information.

I see anons have mentioned LP and FF as possible ID’s. To conflate the two locations to the exclusion of one woman over another could possibly exclude the wrong woman from our consideration.

By all means scrutinize both locations separately for each woman.

As for the EMB woman, I can’t rule out LP but neither can I say it is her. As for the WW woman, I can’t rule out FF but can’t say it’s her.

I will say, the woman at WW seems to have a higher hairline than LP and a fuller head of hair, from the front and from behind, in the Q pics than I see in stock images of LP.

I’ve always kept a skeptical outlook that it is necessarily LP at all in the London pics. Imho, Q has let it be known many times that disinfo is necessary and to be accepted as a reality on the playing field. Keeping this in mind, an anon can judge for themselves those times when Q links to anons who have allowed themselves to speculate on the Q pics (NSA trafcams at locations where they would not existing in Winter 2013 according to SV is one example). I think Q gives us a loose leash that allows us to mislead ourselves, (and others). Who knows if Q did not allow us to mislead ourselves when linking to another anon who posted that graphic of LP in a similar waistcoat. Look VERY closely at the woman’s coat in the WW pic from behind. Pay attention to its quilting, the large hood. Belt? Look at the Lisa Paige coat, its belt, the collar area. Hood? My money says it’s not even the same coat.

Spygate/RussiaGate= 2016

London pics= 2013

When did the fBeye thing against Trump happen? In Winter 2013?

Or 2016Could the 2013 thing be some other thing with different players?

Iirc didn’t LP’s bio say she was a prosecutor in some gang enforcement unit before transfer to work with 7th floor. Wonder if she had any MS13 cases.

Just sayin keep an open mind anons.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 27, 2022, 9:49 p.m. No.15961175 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1559 >>2675

>>15960059

>The Embankment series shows Lisa Page and Peter Stzrok (FBI Counter-Intelligence) working to make sure Hillary Clinton is POTUS in 2016 Election.

I think not in December 2013.

Here are some questions. Why is an ATTORNEY for DOJ/FBI in London on business.

Agents do agent stuff. Attorneys do attorney stuff. Agents investigate. Attorneys say what can be FILED or shared from a file.

Can agents share stuff in a FILE? Or do you need an attorney to share stuff in a FILE?

When do you need an ATTORNEY? Who is authorized to transport a FILE?

Why would a US ATTORNEY have to go to the UK to talk to someone in the UK GOVT?

Would a US ATTORNEY need to go to the UK to share stuff in a DOJ file if it was about a US citizen?

>>15961016

>Anon, how did you get that enhanced WW couple pic? I could not comment on it before knowing whether it is a simple enhancement or a blend of another picture to arrive at that image.

Fren, got some tools at hand. That pic is by-product from basic enlargement for other purposes. Of course, when in doubt, return to the original. General features and shadow are alike in both versions. View of hairline has been partially obscured by man's shadow.

>>15961175

In 2013, LP was mother of very young children. Also was very junior at DOJ. To climb she'd need to be loyal and helpful to someone also climbing.

Maybe dig her career moves and prepare timeline for any indication of London connexion. That might place her at crosswalk or at WW. If you find she was somewhere else, that would be useful. Process of elimination.

Did she travel to London for other reasons, including personal vacations, education, running marathons (spring), watching Wimbledon (summer), and so forth.

>>15703750 Notable documentary PB

Special Escort group, documentary recorded 2000 as well as 2013; released 2014 and postee 2015.

>>15707788 all PB #43

>>15769256

>>15769458 Victoria Street re Black Box pic.

>>15769530 crossing Lambeth Bridge

>>15769724 2013 footage of Embankment

>>15769775 error in date in documentary

>>15769796

>>15769883 BMW v Honda motorbikes

>>15769965, >>15771501

>>15779927 PB #43

22 DEC 2013 Taken like riverwall adboard pic.

Tattershall Castle pic, Tatt = Q match.

Shows BB shroud Q match.

Hispaniola Q match

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 27, 2022, 11:48 p.m. No.15961747 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4211

>>15958032, >>15958313

>>15780101 PB #43

>>15780422 PB #43

Previously had determined that CH2 was not taken after 2 MAR 2014 which is the date that a stock photo was taken and which showed the 1st Aid sign. This moves the bookend. CH2 could not have been taken after 27 JAN 2014.

>>15780717 PB #43

22 DEC 2013 Taken.

Bike parked at Corinthia Hotel, Q match.

>>15780437 PB #43

TATT pic 25 JAN 2014 Taken.

>>15780534 PB #43

Red Bus scene pic w/o Christmas lights.

22 JAN 2014 Taken.

Q pic was not taken after 22 JAN 2014.

>>15780602 PB #43

Previous evidence of a police viewing deck present 1 JAN 2014 (within area captured in Red Bus pic) can now be compared with the lack of such a deck in position on 22 JAN 2014.

>>15780632 PB #43

Piccadilly Circus scene pics

4 DEC 2013 and 22 DEC 2013 Taken.

Intact snow globe.

>>15780757 PB #43

Riverwall adboard, Q match.

22 DEC 2013 Taken.

>>15780935 PB #43

CH corner w parked bike, NOT Q Match due to details near bike. Prolly means that the Q pics were not taken on 22 DEC 2013 but that date can not be ruled out given the temporary nature of these markers which are easily moveable.

Note: lots of interdasting pictorial evidence supports late DEC 2013 for Emk and Piccadilly pics.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 12:30 a.m. No.15961893 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4211 >>6326

>>15857085 PB #43

>>15852246 revisiting Ww pics.

As the digs progressed, the werk moved from the 2015/2016 assumption and into narrowing the dating of each pic. Despite all the sauces available online and elsewhere, the WW pics have not been narrowed more tightly than the basic open and close dates of the theme park.

Maybe an Anon will revisit the pictorial evidence and make progress we haven't had on WW for quite some time now.

>>15855158 PB #43

What I hate about that WW pics is that there is not so much as a single burned out light bulb in the decorations that might have helped to narrow down the date. One would expect everything perfect at the beginning but maybe some burned out bulbs as the weeks progress? Needle in a haystack.

>>15857085 PB #43

There were burned out bulbs or malfunctining lights on the Wilde Mause. These distinguished 2012/2013 from 2013/2014. Those two years were arguably the closest.

Another subtle detail was the overhead guide wire that appeared in the 2012/2013 season but not in 2013/2014 and is a key differentiator.

>>15857244 PB #43

Look closely at the Q pic of Wilde Maus. Search for at least one car on the tracks. I could find none. This is unusual, I think, based on loads of vids and images from the theme park at all hours of the day through out the weeks open.

Lack of kiddies = clue to time of day. Likewise the lack of a heavy crowd in the Plaza.

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 28, 2022, 12:30 a.m. No.15961896 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2104

>>15960944

>Not confirmed that either or both outside USA kuch less in London.

Must be a way

Four individuals, and Imma gonna say agin the lady in the WW pic is Asian. That is NOT LP.

Have not done too much Embankment-wise irt the peeps in the pic, more into Tatts and all.

I say again, the woman in the WW Q pic is Asian.

The woman has her hair swept behind her Right ear, as Fang Fang is wont to do.. Lisa Page's hair is not thick enough to do that in the way the pic shows AND LP has a tendency to sweep behind both ears if at all.

Now look at the nose of Stzrok, Priestap, and Swalwell irt the red hatted dude in the WW Q pic. That is most likely Swalwell's big nose.

Put it this way: if a couple crossing eastward on Northumberland Avenue, and another couple taking a selfie at WW were insignificant, why did Q drop those images? Actually THOSE images? Not any other couples crossing Northumberland nor any other couples at WW?

I just got pulled in over a paddle steamer turned pub on the Thames a while ago.

I just say again I see the woman in the WW pic is Asian, and dude has big nose.

I make no effort to be perfect, nor even good.

That woman in WW taking a selfie is Asian. TATTERSHALL CASTLE has not had stack colors like those (white capped) after Jan 2015 and HISPANIOLA has NOT ridden that high in her moorings.

Anons will nail this, I have NO DOUBT

I do must go now, a chance to sleep and shower before spinning metal blades

Might be LP in Embankment, but NO WAY in WW pic

Later Beloved Frens

>>15868004 PB #43

Parts of the wooden tower which housed a snack stand; it was one of two towers that appeared in that position in the Plaza and were first intoduced in 2013/2014. In later seasons, these looked different and appeared in diff positions and locations. So 2013/2014 setip was unique. Greatly useful marker.

The steeply sloped roof of Apres Bar was in that position next to the coaster ride at the Plaza for just that one season, winter 2013/2014.

>>15868107 PB #43

The popularity of Wilde Maus stands in contrast with the paucity of partakers qued-up in this particular pair of WW pics.

>>15869808, >>15869836, >>15869940 PB #43

Dailed lighting on various rides.

>>15870425 PB #43

The lights on Xmas Grille stall. Well spotted.

>>15961896

Process of elimination. Dig his schedule and appearances. Buttress the theory. Add facts.

Or go for positive evidence he was in London. Either way, fill in the blanks.

Examples.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eric_Swalwell_in_2013

https://swalwell.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news?page=9

Swalwell in California in NOV 2013.

https://swalwell.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/sandia-kicks-habitat-humanity-project-labs-volunteers-rebuild-house

Swalwell in California on 15 DEC 20139

https://swalwell.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/congressman-helps-locals-buying-christmas-trees

Swalwell, at East Bay Chinese Student Association event, 9 Feb 2013.

https://twitter.com/ericswalwell/status/300488618693234688

>>15955493

Xmas Grille stall, lightbulb positions, front eaves, lit/unlit and gaps (no bulb position).

Reposting Anon's observs, sequenced by available dates and bulb pattern/s.

>>15964214

Request that each be tied directly to:

sauce link,

title of sauce,

date posted by sauce,

date taken if provided by sauce,

date taken if figured by Anon and descriptioj of how date was deduced.

Basic housekeeping needed coz getting close to result. Prolly gonna use blunt force to scrounge moar evidence. That could mean returning to these jigsaw puzzles after someetime. Let's tidy ship now to avoid confusiond laters.

Here is scratch for Q pic. Added position over left leg which appeared dim, maybe unli or failing bulb/s.

>>15964276, >>15964214

Summary to-date in dig.

Bulb pattern on Xmas Grille roof, re XM.

Consistencies?

a) 8 leftmost positions as follows,

Lit = 1, 2, 4, 6, 8

Unlit = 3, 5, 7

Lit-lit, unlit-lit, unlit-lit, unlit-lit

b) 14 middle positions as follows,

Lit = 15, 18, 20 to 27

Unlit = 16, 17, 19

Lit-unlit-unlit, lit-unlit, lit x 8

Consistencies when in shot/discernible?

c) 5 rightmost positions as follows,

Lit = 29 to 32

Unlit = 28

Unlit, lit x 4

Inconsistencies or changes across dates captured?

d) 9 lit mostly, 1 exception, 15-DEC-2013-T

e) 11 unlit mostly, except 19-DEC-2013-T

and Q pic

f) 14 lit mostly, except 24-NOV-2013-T

and 25-NOV-2013-T

Banner sign bulbs mostly lit but a few did appear unlit at times.

1) Bottom left = unlit 5 of 6 instances

Q pic?

2) Left = unlit 3 of 3

Q pic?

3) Top = 2 of 6

4) Right = 1 of 6

Showed 2 unlit positions in one indtance

17-DEC-2013-T

Gud Q Matches?

Two candidates at this moment in the dig.

15-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit bottom

19-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit left

Just a summary and remains open for moar observs and evidence. Q pic now looking like close to mid-DEC-2012.

Are you surprised that the pixels showed that much? More than we know.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 11:24 a.m. No.15964746 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4226 >>6326

>>15964716

>Q pic now looking like close to mid-DEC-2012.

Correction.

2013

Q pic now looking like close to mid-DEC-2013.

NOT 2012.

mid-DEC-2013.

Will repost.

>>15964276, >>15964214

Summary to-date in dig. [CORRECTED]

Bulb pattern on Xmas Grille roof, re XM.

Consistencies?

a) 8 leftmost positions as follows,

Lit = 1, 2, 4, 6, 8

Unlit = 3, 5, 7

Lit-lit, unlit-lit, unlit-lit, unlit-lit

b) 14 middle positions as follows,

Lit = 15, 18, 20 to 27

Unlit = 16, 17, 19

Lit-unlit-unlit, lit-unlit, lit x 8

Consistencies when in shot/discernible?

c) 5 rightmost positions as follows,

Lit = 29 to 32

Unlit = 28

Unlit, lit x 4

Inconsistencies or changes across dates captured?

d) 9 lit mostly, 1 exception, 15-DEC-2013-T

e) 11 unlit mostly, except 19-DEC-2013-T

and Q pic

f) 14 lit mostly, except 24-NOV-2013-T

and 25-NOV-2013-T

Banner sign bulbs mostly lit but a few did appear unlit at times.

1) Bottom left = unlit 5 of 6 instances

Q pic?

2) Left = unlit 3 of 3

Q pic?

3) Top = 2 of 6

4) Right = 1 of 6

Showed 2 unlit positions in one indtance

17-DEC-2013-T

Gud Q Matches?

Two candidates at this moment in the dig.

15-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit bottom

19-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit left

Just a summary and remains open for moar observs and evidence. Q pic now looking like close to mid-DEC-2013.

Are you surprised that the XM's pixels showed that much? More have than we knew/know.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 11:36 a.m. No.15964817 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4918 >>4958

>>15964784

>e) 11 unlit mostly, except 19-DEC-2013-T

> and Q pic

THIS may be decisive distinguisher.

Still to be resolved = need moar.

1) Bottom left = unlit 5 of 6 instances

Q pic?

2) Left = unlit 3 of 3

Q pic?

>Gud Q Matches?

>Two candidates at this moment in the dig.

>15-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit bottom

>19-DEC-2013-T if Q pic banner unlit left

>>15964214

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 11:52 a.m. No.15964891 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4226 >>6326

>>15964862

Position #11 was unlit in Q pic.

As it was in all except

24-NOV-2013-T

and

25-NOV-2013-P

>>15964817

Bulb position #9 was lit in all except

15-DEC-2013-T, but lit again 17-DEC-2013-T.

UNLIT in Q pic.

>>15964817

The banner sign may be decisive.

Did Q pic capture ANY unlit bulbs on banner?

If not, then, could be AFTER 19-DEC-2013-T.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 12:25 p.m. No.15965108 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1881 >>1899

>>15964958

Q pic

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1456

https://qanon.pub/data/media/e21a467394bcafdd201afeeff0b20a7121c954a79a21e143304cdbe7d2b001c8.png

https://qagg.news/?q=%23%231456

https://qagg.news/images/e21a467394bcafdd201afeeff0b20a7121c954a79a21e143304cdbe7d2b001c8.png

The things I forget

UK #43

Stills and Vidcaps Part Two

>>15935058 X-MAS GRILLE banner sign enlargement 15DEC2013P

>>15935435 Comparison Q pic 1456 with 15DEC2013P

>>15953874 Plaza caps from vid posted March 26, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpRGKZH4ZKE

>>15964958

Looks to me like an unlit in lower left side of banner in Q1456

>>15964214

Thanks anon for putting those together. Speaking only about this your post I am linking to: I think I agree on your placing the 19DEC vidcap toward the top near the NOV dates. I might place the Q pic BELOW the 15DEC date because the #9 bulb possibly being replaced and showing LIT thereafter.

Nao, speaking to your later post showing an additional UNLIT light on the banner of the Q pic: >>15964276

I will agree that the banner lights look weak on the lower left.

So, where do you NOW think the Q pic belongs? >>15964214

The most outlying of the banner light patterns seems the 19DEC vid. We must make some findings about this vid. Do we agree that only that upper left light is unlit? Or can any weakness in the lower lights’ glare be detected? Are we at all confident of the posted date?

Consider this vlogger prides himself on being at opening day. It’s his selling point to be exclusive. That said, did the guy make a comment about that vid being a ‘return’ encore kind of visit? He did regret the haunted house not being up and operating. Why didn’t he say, Oh well, it was great two weeks ago?

Another observation is that the UNLIT LOWER banner bulb seems to be a chronically defective light position in all our samples except 19DEC. Should we take a 2nd look at that spot in 19DEC?

It becomes a mystery then if this LOWER banner, chronically unlit, bulb position is made to operate later. Try a piece of scratch paper and give the 19DEC that unlit lower banner bulb that all the others have. For me it would place it right under the NOV banners. This would make it the last of the UPPER LEFT unlit banner lights.

Then 15DEC. This then allows for either 17DEC or the Q banner to be last.

Note: The above theory assumes burned out light bulbs being replaced on at least 2 or 3 occasions.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 28, 2022, 5:01 p.m. No.15966700 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6840

>>15964784

I want to apologize for inserting a misspelling of X-MAS GRILL early in the conversation. I hope this hasn’t affected and search results.

>>15966700

Another error I inserted into the discussion is a misspelling of the 17 DEC photographer’s name. Correct spelling: Kalin Kalpachev.

Q pic showed 3 of 5 lightbulb positions along slope of rooftop on cabdy floss stand located behind direction tree in middle backround in Q camera frame.

This stand is adorned with small polar bear sitting on sloped roof.

All 3 bulbs are lit.

In cap from vid posted 30-NOV-2013-P, the 3rd position is unlit.

Vid taken 15-DEC-2019-T showed 3rd position lit and 5th unlit.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 6:35 p.m. No.15967296 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4998 >>6326

Gud eye. We know what we are looking for nao. What I like about these pics is that it is another PROOF of ongoing bulb replacement. See my next post.

Gud eye. We know whatAn explanation of the use of those yellow rectangle diagrams to attempt placing the pics and caps in a chronological order

See how they might resemble those diagrams they make you sign off on when you rent a car? Keep that in mind as you try to date the pics.

Say you and mates are at the house and you bring out the envelope with pictures of the ole Cortina. The wife likes to have a pint now and then with the girls but you don’t mind; you’ve know a good ‘body guy’ who does good work, and reasonable.

You didn’t put dates on the pics of ‘Tina’ so you are having to remember wot and when certain repairs were made over the years.

Some unfinished repairs are evident across periods of time, coz it’s getting hard to find some parts. Especially that one piece of missing trim.

You can liken our various yellow rectangle diagrams as that kind of situation. Add the incoming proof of bulb replacement efforts on other park attractions as well as the Xmas grill.

None of the bulb positions are lit on that part of the roofbof candyfloss kiosk, in vid of 11-DEC-2013-P. Lit on other parts of roof.

15-DEC-2013-P

Leaving it to anons to figure how many bulb positions are lit on near roof vs area behind. If near, then 3rd is lit. If behind then maybe none are lit on near part. Interdasting.

Am knackeree. Please carry on wo me.

Cheerio.

>>15967793

May need to look at our 15DEC banner pic. Can’t tell whether or not something could be blocking our view of the left side banner lights in this vid sequence you capped.

>>15967793

Up until nao, we have not made an eaves/banner diagram of this vid, I think, becoz it did not present a gud view of the eaves.

I had mentioned we might try to blend a view of some left side and right side glances within this vid.

As anon was looking for a best view of the candyfloss kiosk am not sure if this is the best view of the banner. Shall we try to include this vid in the eaves/banner diagram collection? Could its ‘taken on’ date could bump the other 15DEC vid sooner?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 28, 2022, 8:49 p.m. No.15968051 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8152 >>4998

26-NOV-2013-P

Candyfloss Kiosk roof lights.

Bulb position 3 in Q pic was unlit, as was in this vid too. Other 4/5 positions lit on that part of roof.

So far, in sum, Candyfloss Kiosk showed 3rd bulb was unlit at times in late NOV and early DEC 2013, but was lit during days just before and on 15-DEC-2013. And as for later, we don't yet know.

Kinda matches up with XM's lights? Contradictions in evidence?

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 28, 2022, 9:23 p.m. No.15968152 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8164

>>15968051

Psyclonesteve vid taken 15 December 2013. bulb on top left looks unlit

>>15968152

>>15968152 (me)

Having .jpg issue on my end, here it is renamed and saved as .png

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 29, 2022, 3:07 a.m. No.15968864 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1881

Woot!

QRB spots the bear!

QRB #890 >>>/qrb/131869

You know, with all the artificial lights going on? Who knows exactly. It’s there.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 2:08 p.m. No.15971881 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1899

>>15968864 UK Bread

>>15965108 UK Bread

>>131926 QResearch Bunker

>>131856 QResearch Bunker

Caution: enhancements for purpse A can generate distortions for purpose B, C, or purpose-yet-unforeseen.

Ex. See pic. Hyperdigital Age (think AI) makes distortions easier to a) generate inadvertently, b) distribute, b) exploit. Can be done but should it be done? If done, be transparent and advise caution. When in doubt or when accuracy is essential to purpose, return to the original. Think organic.

Principle: Do not introduce an unnecessary risk to the accomplishment of the mission. Only risks that enable mission success without unnecessarily jeopardizing safety are acceptable, frens.

Copy?

WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 2:13 p.m. No.15971899 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1928 >>5130

>>15971881

>>15965108

Because = WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 29, 2022, 2:18 p.m. No.15971928 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2122

>>15971899

That's a grey bear with a white face and a black nose. Bear has white on the bottom of its feet and white inside the ears. That woman is Asian. I'm still grinning.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 2:46 p.m. No.15972053 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3244

>>15964958

To my eye, banner sign bulbs were fully lit in Q pic.

Shape of sign, aspects which give its appearande as a cloth or scroll-type 'banner', creare impression thst the edges were 'rolled'.

This is the desired effect and unlit bulbs can defeat that illusion. Can be moar likely noticed because somewhat jolting even to nonautistic passerby. Additional incentive to maintain. So, yes, that makes this banner sign a gud target for hunting changes - failed or failing bulbs and replacements - and sequencing sauces against Q pic.

And we are biased, unavoidably, toward seeing useful markers.

Remember this dig's past succes came from some random observs that withstood intense scrutiny. Always, sceptism advised as the counter balance to magic eye.

Moar evidence for failed bulbs on banner at THAT side? Before and after the best example of unlit spot? This is a tall order. Banner's bulbs are packed closely.

Garry's hi-res close and unobstructed shots very gud as templste. And not so much for template for night shots like Q pic. Need daylight pics, night pics, twilight pics (which may prove best) for our comparisons.

Back to happy hunting.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 2:57 p.m. No.15972122 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2173 >>2179

>>15971928

>That woman is Asian.

Kek. Howzabout, of Persian descent? A la LP …

Looking closely at the Q pic of boots on the ground, and having thots of 'foot soldiers' come to mind, my magic eye did wander to discern that the lady does wear a dark scarf about the backtop of her asian/persian/dainty noggin.

And the oversized bag seemed an odd thing to LUG to pickpocket paradise. Tower Plaza was top draw, despite surveillance. Eyes looking upward "like a lot", to say it like DJT.

>>15972122

Enhanced for bag.

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 March 29, 2022, 3:06 p.m. No.15972179 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2205 >>2273

>>15972122

Does not look like LP to me, still looks Asian

>>15972179

Maybe you meant, from Chi-na, or Hong Kong? What are shovels for?

Re the other non-London London pics.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 3:18 p.m. No.15972273 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2325

>>15972179

Have you dug into Fang's whereabouts winter 2013/2014? Or S?

Breads ago, dug The Cardinal's known whereabouts. Not London during the London pics interval. Coulda ben there 'unknown', possibility but no evidence to support plausibility. Yet?

Meanwhile, banner revisited,

11-DEC-2013-P

>>15972273

Been trying to come up with locations on Swalwell for 2013/2014, nothing good so far

>>15972053

>To my eye, banner sign bulbs were fully lit in Q pic.

I disagree. At the very least I believe there was at least ONE inoperative, non-functioning, broken light socket that year on the lower part of the banner beneath the letter S of XMAS GRILL. Except for some long shots suffering from light glare in which no unlit lights can be seen, the evidence of this UNLIT light at the bottom of the banner can be seen if we but look. Is it a coincidence that we see a weakness in the lights at the SAME place we see a weakness in the lights in other pics? And that the location for this recurring phenomenon is where other images clearly show an unlit light?

In other images I also see a weakness on the lower left side that equals or exceeds that weakness seen on the lower bar.

As an example of this weakness seen on another date I include 19DEC. I am changing in my own saved images the 19DEC cap to also show this bottom left unlit light. Anons can do as they wish.

In a more circumstantial way but applying common sense logic, if one can accept that there occurred bulb replacement efforts (call them occurrences or whatever you like) then you must notice that after each bulb replacement effort there remained a persistently unlit bulb beneath the letter S on the banner on EVERY occasion (unless you allow for the ONE exception occasion anon is of the opinion occurred)*. But then where are those other pics showing a completely lit banner that are not in contradiction with clear images?

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 29, 2022, 6:34 p.m. No.15973482 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3587

If there was one inoperative light socket on the banner for 2013/2014 then the 15DEC banner diagram would represent what the banner would look look after each bulb replacement effort.

I can almost see two left side banner lights unlit in the Q pic. Speculation follows: Perhaps Q pic is after the 19DEC vidcap showing only one left side banner light being unlit.

>>15973482

Unfortunately, the Q pic could still easily precede the 15DEC vid as well, if they had just replaced the unlit banner bulbs from the Q configuration.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 7:31 p.m. No.15973883 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4979

>if we but look

That is my point, fren. I looked at the Q pic and to my eye the pixels depict this sign as fully lit.

Facts support this discernment. As does context capturee in both 2012/2013 and 2013/2014. (For instance, 2012 sign was simply concaved vs 2013 sign's greater complexity.) The faint weakness is not necessarily unlit bulb/s but plausibly seen because part of the design. The banner design used closely packed bulbs on highly reflective surface to create the illusion of a banner especially from distance. The design compensates for a single unlit bulb here or there. Even unlit, these bulbs are very shiny. Still, due to type of sign, it comes with additional incentive for diligent upkeep. So capturing actual bulb failure from afar would have rare. If evidence confirmed such a capture, then, fantastic. It is a tall order that can be achieved with evidence IF it exists. The Q pic on its own doesn't show enough to make of the percieved weakness/s bulb/s that are unlit.

Meaning, there were gaps, not occupied by bulbs, on the parts of the sign's edges where the illusion of a rolled ribbon-type scroll was in effect. Please seevattached pics which, as mentioned earlier, provide excellent basis for a template of bulb positions AND gaps.

In the markups, haven't highlighted the vertical gaps that form the reflective surface for the scroll or ribbon illusion of a banner. The 2D ine drawing depicts general idea that was transplanted onto 3D sign with lights to augment.

Unlit bulbs in open sauced images, yes, captured so certainly did occur on that sign during both seasons. Visible in Q pic? Not necessarily.

Take care to look at original rather than enhanced versions that are by-products of modifications for sake of eaves.

Enhanced version re eaves. Mot a neutral effect. Distorted the banner shades.

This may be detected, also, on righthand side of the setback part of banner. Adjust for camera angle.

Challenge is to find an image from another 2013 sauce that clearly shows that position's unlit bulb/s and thus a Q match. For now, seems possible, yes, but alone the Q pic is not strong enough.

To be clear, the weakness/es described might be due to unlit bulbs, but not necessary for Q match. That there is weakness/es could be so yes, due to design or even other lighting casting colour or shadow. IOW can still be matched with sauces, unlit bulbsnor no.

In effect, this broadens the prospect of finding useful sauces. Banner sign might play role of supporting actor rather than star - see eaves. Likewise candyfloss kiosk, supporting role.

>at least ONE inoperative, non-functioning, broken light socket that year on the lower part of the banner beneath the letter S of XMAS GRILL

Yes, fren, that was captured in sauced pic because it stuck out like a missing tooth in a Benny Hill smile. Not so much in Q pic.

Same for lefthand side.

As with the ticket kiosk of Red Bus dig, there isn't enough shown to be sure. But process of elimination helps narrow the possibilities.

>Q pic could still easily precede the 15DEC vid as well

15-DEC-2013-T is like the lone riverwall adboard pic sauced 22-DEC-2013-T.

It serve as an essential stake in the ground due to fair match re eaves. Kiosk lighting lends a helping hand coz in same sauced vid. Banner holds same potential.

Am looking atnother areas in Q pic. That transparent highlight under the tower's eaves, with the lit bulb, has drawn my attention despite paucity of gud direct sauced images. Puzzling sight not apparent on the other corners of either of the two wooden towers. There were 8 cornersbto compare.

Best spec I conjured is that an improvised curtain of some type was hung there as shield against blowing rain, earlier that day. Some resenblance to plastic sheet, for example. Saw clear plastic 'draped' to protect plush toys nearby.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 29, 2022, 8:55 p.m. No.15974429 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5247

>Anons can do as they wish.

Of course.

To be fair, the use of the charts might also communicate uncertainties in team's dig.

Example >>15904961

Recall Q 1460

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1460

Q 1461

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1461

Like you may be on this, I've been certain of my notions re other Q posts, including London pics. Mine is a hard head. At times impermeable, too. Humbled by harder evidence; humbled by insipid evidence that seeps in or, during least expected times, gushes in like a Japanese tsunami.

Hoping for a decisive find re banner. Ready to help, too.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 29, 2022, 11:34 p.m. No.15974979 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5187

>>15973883

I stand by the theory of a permanently inoperative bottom left light socket. I find it supported by an analysis if the banner patterns and matching of clearer pics. To say the unlit bottom left position defied early light replacement efforts, to later be successfully lighted, to then immediately fail for the rest of the samples is a less credible scenario.

Using my theory of a single defective bottom left banner light socket, I’ve played out some possible banner sequences using the 6 light diagram dates we have so far. Keeping our UK Baker’s admonition re human nature in mind (I did not discount you UK Baker.) I was looking for the absolute LEAST number of bulb replacement events necessary to carry each sequence along.

(As a note: Let’s be quite honest. The MOAR bulb replacement events, the less chance of ever narrowing a date for the Q pic. Every day? Forget it. Every couple of days? Forget it. Every week? Forget it.

IF WE ARE TO RESET TO A PERFECTLY LIGHTED BANNER EACH TIME WITHOUT THE DEFECTIVE BOTTOM BULB WOULD IMPLY A NEW BULB REPLACEMENT AND IMPLY A BLANK (PERFECT) “RESTING” POSITION.

ADMITTING A THEORY OF PERFECT REPLACEMENT BETWEEN WHAT WE SEE OF UNLIT BULBS, WHY THR SAME BOTTOM LEFT BULB BREAKING DOWN DAY AFTER DAY AFTER IT WAS FIXED? THIS WOULD IMPLY MANY REPLACEMENTS.

Even a one-time perfect banner places it betwixt two known banners with a bottom left bulb unlit. And darn that bulb that burns out a day or two right after you fixed it! (Note: I also resolved a situation in which, if you had repaired two other unlit bulbs from NOV, why would you not have replaced the left side bulb when later banners would prove this was possible? I fixed this illogical situation by placing D19 exactly where it should have been, after D17. It would simply make more sense for that bulb position to fail again about 25 days later.)

Want to see a sequence that, so far, requires only 2 BULB REPLACEMENTS to get from one end to the other? Kinda like those logic tests where you connect the dots using only 3 lines or something?

N24

N25

(bulbs replaced)

D15

Q

(bulbs replaced)

D17

D19

See how the dates even agree. It flows.

In 2 other sequences, when I tried to put D19 under the NOV dates or when I tried to put the Q diagram last, it required THREE bulb replacements.

Here they are:

Scenario A:

N24, N25, (replacement), D15, D17, (replacement), D19, (replacement), Q.

Scenario B:

N24, N25, (replacement), D19, (replacement), D15, Q, (replacement) D17

Sorry for the caps but I needed to say moar there and too lazy to go back and change it.

My best suggestion for other anons is to use a good old fashioned note pad, Make vertical flow diagrams using the banner light diagrams.

>>15974979

In the pic you wrote, wrong. What's wrong? The arrows pointing to gaps unoccupied or the black circles over unlit bulbs?

There are both gaps and unlit bulbs in those pics, yes?

Sequencing the available images is important, natch, but that does not place the Q pic in that sequence, yet.

Suppose the banner was fully lit in Q pic. Must it have been taken before, say, 19-DEC-2013 and not later? The season ran to early JAN and the dig has only just begun for evidence. We have the 2nd half of the season to go yet.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 30, 2022, 1:53 a.m. No.15975220 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9541

>What's wrong? The arrows pointing to gaps unoccupied or the black circles over unlit bulbs?

You placed black circles over bulbs that, although they may not appear as bright as the rest, are no where near in appearance as the unlit bulbs in the same pics.

>Suppose the banner was fully lit >in Q pic. Must it have been taken >before, say, 19-DEC-2013 and >not later?

A fully lit banner on 15DEC begs the question why the prior banners all have the bottom left light always unlit. They keep replacing it? Got lucky that one time? I can only make assertions based on the samples we have gathered so far. Am not going to say the Q pic could not have been taken later than 19DEC. Would love to see it around Christmas. But with the samples I see before me…saying what I see. And I also expect to see unlit bulbs on the bottom left of future banner discoveries. Imho, the moar bulb replacements you put into your hypothetical timeline the moar you kill the hypothesis of dating the Q pic.

>The season ran to early JAN and the dig has only just begun for evidence.

Q either hinted or made a Freudian slip when they asked: What event occurs in Hyde Park “IN DECEMBER”.

>Suppose the banner was fully lit in Q pic

Then I’ll say congratulations, you’ve found the day the Q pic was taken- the day they fixed all the burned out lights on the banner and the eaves. What day was that?

>>15974429

>Hoping for a decisive find re banner.

I’m still in this dig with you. Carry on.

>Sequencing the available images is important, natch, but that does not place the Q pic in that sequence, yet.

Alright then.

>>15975220

If not as bright as the rest, and not meeting criteria for weakness in illumination, would you then have a 3rd category between lit and unlit but not weak?

The circled bulbs were near the areas noted as gaps, which also provided examples of potentially percieved weakness, esp from, long range like the night Q pic in question. Both pics were taken close range in daylight. Useful as template.

Speculating about maintenance is useful, as you have shown. And, as you suggest, dating by the banner may become increasingly difficult with increased lit/unlit/weakness data points. But the evidence will be assessed against reported, or figured, taken dates and posted/published dates. More data points, or no more, will just be in the cards we are dealt.

If a hypothesis deserves to be set aside, ie dating this Q pic by the banner sign, or by another marker, then so be it. Some ideas don't get results while others do. The digs have crushed all manner of excellent ideas from each digger here.

Not keen to psychoanalyse Q. But your point is very gud. That sure feels like a strong hint.

What event occurs in Dec (London)?

Think Hyde Park.

Think prev pic [2] people.

Provides Timeframe.

For emphasis, Timeframe.

Early JAN was clearly within the timing of the event held in Hyde Park in the Q pics. As was NOV which produced four of the sauces we have already relied upon, including stuff gud enough to use as template for banner sign. All grist for the mill. More days in WW season than d as days represented in our current stash of images NOV-DEC-JAN.

It is not my hypothetical timeline. This is the Timeframe provided.

See pic from sauce taken 15-DEC-2013. Not fully lit. Maybe you intended diff example, like a yet found sauce withh fully lit banner?

For a fair Q match, do not need to a find a verifiably fully lit banner, no imperfect bulbs, just something that looks like was fully lit as captured from distance, or in night darkness, or in dimly lit twighlight. The Q pic appears to show a banner sign that could be fully lit, even with potential weaknesses near gaps or near weakly lit bulbs.

This criteria broadens the possibility of finding fair Q match/es to compare.

>the day the Q pic was taken- the day they fixed all the burned out lights on the banner and the eaves.

The sarcasm is off target. Not necessary to match based on a theory. Just match the Q pic and use gud ideas about repairs to guide the digging. In sauces we have mismatches. And gud hints at bulb failings and replacements. All gud solid finds.

>What day was that?

Kek, the day/s that produced fair Q match, by whatever circumstances.

Replaced bulbs may be in such pic/s; there may be weaknesses, as you might percieve, where there were gaps, failing bulbs, unlit bulbs, missing bulbs, shadows and other coloured lighting that created the perception of weaknesses.

To my eye the resolution and detail is lacking in the Q pic to insist on unlit bulbs on the banner. Nor to insist on perfect lighting. Much less to insist on one and not the other. Just need a fair match.

Anonymous ID: 9cb974 March 31, 2022, 4:45 a.m. No.15982224 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4998

Same light out at Candy Floss stand in vid dated 26NOV2013.

Third light from top, or middle of five.

BANNER on Xmas Grill seems to have the same lights out as noted on 25NOV and another vid dated 26NOV.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=afe4aEdIgVk

Anonymous ID: 295a99 March 31, 2022, 12:50 p.m. No.15984970 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4521

Same vid. Different distance and different vantage.

Candyfloss stand lights displaced or not? Possible that line of bulbs seennon ridge in Q pic was rear right rather than front right?

I would cross off 15DEC2013 from the list of possible dates for WW from the amount of late evening precipitation seen this vid from Psyclone Steve. He specifically states the date in comment section of his YT vid. Umbrellas are def out. A gentle rain can be seen on very wet ice at the ice skating park. The ground was wet in the final scene of the vid as the videographer takes one look back at WW park.

>>15985070

Q pic showed view of short side of Candyfloss Kiosk. Also showed part of longer flank. To illustrate this, a semi-transparent symetrical triangle, approximately the shape of short side, has been superimposed over the Q pic.

Seems the bulbs on right side were along the back right ridge. Possibly one or two bulbs were partially captured on front ridge, too, but that view was somewhat obscured by the direction tree which stood between camera and kiosk.

This alters the usefulness of the kiosk bulbs for datibg/ sequencing sauce pics and the place of the Q pic in that mix. Meaning that to find a fair Q match, would need to show (a) 3 lit bulbs on lower half, at least, on rear ridge and/or (b) the lit 3rd bulb on front ridge.

(a) is that triplet of bulbs previously misidentified as being on front ridge in Q pic.

(b) is that partially viewable 3rd bulb on front ridge, as highlight in attatched pic where this bulb's position is encircled and compared with corresponding position of bulb in 3rd position on left front ridge.

Grain of salt: What appears to be a partially obscured lit bulb may be a bright reflection off a part of the structure of the direction tree. Scrutinize and use discernment. Is that white spot a li bulb on the kiodk ridge?

>>15989178

Interdasting snippet in that 15-DEC-2013-T vid which showed the Q WW scene from the other side of the wooden tower. Gud companion view of the Plaza, including peek behind direction tree. The view of "top of heads" also comparable. Side window on tower at serving area suggests primary light source for bright area near forward part of the awning in Q pic. That bright feature seemed transparent, like clear platic draping spotted under left front ridge of kiosk in Q pic. Seen also in sauced vid at same corner of that kiosk. Could be suggestive of damp weather.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 1, 2022, 1:17 p.m. No.15991769 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5777

>>15991608

View of corner of tower in psclonesteve indicates the Q camera was closer to the plane of the side of tower. Looks like Q camera and psyclonesteve's captured two corners/sides of same tower. No brellas in either view. Even if the weather was damp at times in psyclonesteve's vid, rain faded enough that some views showed neither rain nor brellas. On other hand, in Q pic some views of ground may have been damp. Bu haven't spotted clear and certain evidence of rain/dampness inside frames of the two WW Q pics. Mostly dry but London in winter, so …? For purpose of dating, matching markers in Q pic is the key. So no brellas is a useful marker coz none apparent in WW pics dropped by Q. Reminded me of POTUS leaving brella on stairs when he boarded Airforce One

Helpful Tip from General Research for You Tube Videos

How to frame by frame YT videos:

hit play arrow then use keyboard

k key to stop, comma to move backwards, period go forwards frame by frame

>>15989178

Wet ground. Umbrellas out. 15DEC2013.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 2, 2022, 3:46 a.m. No.15995739 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5752

>>15993602 >>15991608

Plastic draping under roof of kiosk, shielding plush toys and merchandise against inclement weather such as rain and/or rain? Possibly also under awning in Q pic.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 2, 2022, 3:52 a.m. No.15995752 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5918

>>15995739

Rain and/or wind.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 2, 2022, 3:59 a.m. No.15995763 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5777

>>15993602

Rained 15-DEC-2013-T part of the time in bid. Also cleared for spells in dark hours.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 2, 2022, 4:06 a.m. No.15995777 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5918

>>15995763 >>15991769

Near end of vid, darkness, dampness, and rain interupted.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 2, 2022, 5 a.m. No.15995918 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7541

>>15995777

>>15995752

Flags were well blown during diff shots in the bid. Observed few, if any, cars on Wilde Mous track in Q WW pic. One possible reason,could be inclement weather. That coaster ride has been in used during rain, in psyclonesteve's vids of WW. Not sure about during windy weather. There usually are some weather restrictions. Apart from severe winds on day the theme park was pre-emptively closed, there may have geen situational closing/resumption of this coaster ride that season.

But in WW pic there doesn't appear to be much sign of high or gusting winds, even if there may been signs of damp weather. Ok, but maybe the paucity of cars on track suggests, instead an interuption's end, a pause coming to an end, as weather cleared. There are people on a ramp leading to the boarding area. Not a heavy line-up.

Night shot, no rain.
Possibly damp ground (but no brellas and no dripping wet people).
No cars on tracks (but at least 2 people approaching embarkment via ramp.

Pic related. Cropped Q pic.

Anons

I went to the Alamy site itself to see what they had for photos of WW in 2013. Celebrity-types around but nothing really useful. All I came away with is VIP night was 21 November 2013 so the vids where the group thanks them for the VIP wristbands applies to that day.

>>15993602

My obs on the skies in the vids is that the low rain clouds will be evident in the kind of orange glow as they reflect back the lights of the city below. Doesn’t even need to be rainy. Keeping in mind the Q WildeMaus pic has a nice black clear sky, I looked at the weather in our current target area and found one nice match on 13DEC. It had some rain enuf to wet the ground but by 7:50pm the sky was CLEAR to see that star above WM coaster. Other dates in the vicinity of 14 and 15DEC, before and after, all show PASSING CLOUDS.

My current favorite: 13DEC

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/london/historic?month=12&year=2013

>>15985070

An important pic TAKEN 4DEC of candy floss cart roof lights displaced but remaining in an apparently rigid group, more like a light bar.

Should eliminate 4DEC.

Could be related to >>15967698

pic POSTED 11DEC which could have been taken earlier that week even more closer to the pic taken on 4DEC. Could eliminate an entire week if the ‘posted’ 11DEC showed a transitory period of a repair in progress.

>>15967698

If you look at the taken on 5DEC German pic, observe how the green garland is attached to the roof lights that have detached from the corner roof ridge.

Then look at the pic posted 11DEC. No shadow from the garland is seen along that roof ridge. It may be that there is no light bar at all, with the garland on that ridge in that pic.

>>16006598

A quick check for London weather in December shows 5DEC to be one of the windiest days for the month, not to be matched until that severe storm occurring on 23DEC topping at 30mph. Sorry, the site does not show wind speed in metric. Or I don’t know how to change it.

Just noting very WINDY day on 5DEC2013.

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 3, 2022, 9:19 p.m. No.16007952 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7956

>>16007914

Okay, fixed. km/h

5DEC Very windy 48 km/h

23DEC Very windy 48 km/h

>>16007952

>>15991203

>This alters the usefulness of the kiosk bulbs for datibg/ sequencing sauce pics and the place of the Q pic in that mix. Meaning that to find a fair Q match, would need to show (a) 3 lit bulbs on lower half, at least, on REAR RIDGE and/or (b) the lit 3rd bulb on front ridge.

Finally found a late December vid on or about 27DEC2013. A reverse selfie vid taken on WMaus. Think I got a cap of a fully lit REAR RIDGE. Anons can no doubt do better than me with stop/start as I phonefagged these caps.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RzuyBPg2F80

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 4, 2022, 4:59 a.m. No.16008725 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4806

>>16008719

27DEC2013 vid showing candy floss stand lights.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RzuyBPg2F80

The top ridge lights are LIT in the 30NOV vid but apoear NOT LIT in subsequent vidcaps, to include 4DEC, 11DEC, 15DEC and 27DEC. May not help dating for Q pic but poss may help date some vidcap, if one is to be found showing a LIT top ridge after 30NOV.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 4, 2022, 8:37 p.m. No.16014027 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7541

>>15989178

Yes, odds are against that date being Q matched weatherwise. Heavy rains fell, strong winds blew, ground showed soaked in-between as well as during bouts of catz n digz.

15-DEC-2013-T pictorial evidence eliminates that date. This sauce remains useful for sequencing other sauces re markers like kiosk, banner, Xmas Grille eaves. Also for elevated views of Plaza which compared well with vantages on WM and Power Tower. Excellent sauce in general for WW before, during, after 2013/2014 season.

>>16008719

27-DEC-2013-P.

Very fine find, fren. This selfie stick vid shows how busy WM was with cars that night. Also weather. Had not viewed this one before.

See pic. This vid provided support for notion that the kiosk long flank was captured in Q pic. Note the angles of kiosk, tree, and tower. This configuration, as seen in this vid, is moar clear in reverse view, looking back toward camera of Q pic. Distinction between front and rear rigdes may still hold some promise. Noice find fersure.

>>15991608, >>16008725, >>16014149 .

Q Pic of WW scene (cropped/ enlarged) and caps from 15-DEC-2013-T and 27-DEC-2013-P used as rererences to make compilation.

The view between direction tree and kiosk suggests that a few of the flags on the tree served to obscure the Q Pic view of the lights on the front ridge.

To further the imagining those lights, as distinct from those on the rear ridge, here is an illustration. The clearly photo'd left front ridge has been copied and flipped to placehold for the obscured front right ridge. This has been aligned with the clapboard design of the hip roof surface as per configuration of the wooden towers, tree, kiosk, and deduced position of Q camera. This depends on informed guesstimates so please use with caution. The purpose is to aid seeing in mind's eye what have gud reason to think is there, uncaptured or partially captured, in Q pic.

On both sides of kiosk roof there sat a small scarfed polar bear, situated on second clapboard from top ridge. Size and "bearing" nominal, natch.

Along the front ridge, and possibly nearby on the roof over right flank, were white highlights in the night time Q pic. These may have been parts of lit bulb positions (ie 2nd and 3rd) or parts of the white bear, legs and feet maybe.

Compare with cropped Q view of kiosk.

Cropped Q pic, kiosk.

>>16014825

Right front ridge plus hip roof as imagined.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 12:20 a.m. No.16014845 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4998

With polar bear seated on roof over wide flank, imagined as per known whereaboutz.

24 March. Did this get overlooked?

Question

To ask the Secretary of State for Defense

whether any members of Ukraine's azov movement have access to UK-supplied anti-aircraft weapons.

Answer

>basically yes.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2022-03-21/143804

>>16014845, >>16014825, >>16014832

Composite of kiosk with view of right front ridge of hip roof and bear atop roof of right long flank.

Q pic showed 3 lit bulbs on rear right ridge, 1st, 2nd, 3rd positions, two moar uncaptured.

Q pic showed 1 or 2 lit bulbs, or parts of, on front right ridge, 3rd from bottom and possibly 2nd from bottom. Positions 1 and 4 almost certainly blocked from view by direction tree, lit or not.

The highlight that might be taken for a lit bulb in position 2 may have been part of polar bear, instead.

There were 4 bulb positions on right and 5 on left front ridges. All five on left can be seen clearly lit in Q pic.

At least the lower three bulb positions on rear right ridge were lit in Q pic. There were 5 positions. Upper two were not captured.

Moar bulb positions captured under the roof edge of kiosk on short and long sides. All captured positions looked to be lit.

Can see into through the kiosk to the area in front of WM ticket booth and entrance.

The scrutiny of kiosks will continue with observs of other Plaza images including 3 or 4 timely vids.

In "light" of above, revisiting

>>15967698 (none lit),

>>15967793 (lowest lit others uncaptured and highlights glinted off tree),

>>15968051 (looks like 3 of 4 lit bulb positions, aligned with clapboards a bit diff than in other sauces) (also lit bulb previiusly identified as lowest or first on right front ridge may have been on rear ridge instead),

>>15967296 (all 4 lit),

>>15967174 (3rd unlit and the array of four bulbs appeared slightly off ridge).

>>15982224 (2 lower bulbs lit on front right ridge, others uncaptured, array seems a bit off ridge),

>>15985070 (upper 3 bulbs captured, array off ridge, looks shorter than array on rear ridge, whichnhas 5 bulb spots) (also note ground space toward WM ticket booth and ramp entrance.

Sorry, Bakes, will bring dated list of these later, unless a fren beats me to it,in meantime.

>>16014998

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 2:06 a.m. No.16015161 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7541

>>16014149

>>16008902

^^^^^

>>16006598

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 4:39 a.m. No.16015463 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1429

Unfortunately this 2013/2014 vid was posted MAR 2014. Includes gud views of Plaza. Daylight. Looked like quieter day or time of day compared with Q Pic which itself didn't look very busy or crowded for WW.

https://youtu.be/IlqcAus70Vg

Gud view of tree distance from kiosk in direct context of the Plaza and WM.

Compare with couple of similar kiosks found at other spots in theme park that season.

Anonymous ID: e89147 April 5, 2022, 4:52 a.m. No.16015488 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7636

Tipoff regarding Dame Linda Dobbs. BILLION POUND HBOS INVESTIGATION…

The Dame often visits Cape Town, South Africa and used to stay over with Jorje Pringle and Mirko Manojlovic's house in Newlands Cape Town (11 Rose Avenue)

They are very good friends and she was also at Jorje's son's wedding.

Please see the Dame here at the wedding at the 4:00 Mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqVEa1aNBTw

Now this may seem perfectly innocent, but some questions remain:

Mirko Manojlovic has had many court cases against him since the 1990s up until recently. Here is one such case http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAWCHC/2017/167.html

Mirko won this court case, but it was under very strange circumstances. He put a company into business rescue in order to avoid creditors.

Mirko also has a trust called THE HERMES TRUST which is at Investec Private Bank. Registered 1998 or 1999.

If you search for more on Mirko on Google, its all gone, but if you search on DuckDuckGo.com, you may find quite a bit of information on him. He has spent years having everything on him removed.

There is a large group of people whom he has scammed and stolen from over the years. It is easily 50 to 100 people. Many people out of jobs because of this thief.

Jorje Pringle is linked to Retired ex Brigadier General McGill Alexander. They attended school together.

This general became a diplomat and in the late 90s he was held hostage in Taiwan. This can be found on the internet

The general works with foster kids. But is this legit or is there something more sinister going on here?

The general posts strange things regaring Pizza (known pedo symbol) and spiral logo (another pedo symbol).

Why did many of the Dame's cases involve light sentences for child abuse?

Mirko, Jorje use many satanic type symbols.

One eye symbolism

Masks

Owl symbol

Snake/Oroboros

Sunesi snake

How did Jorjes' son drive at 180km/h and 250km/h on the highway and not get prosecuted?

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/bit-of-fun-on-the-road-1018619

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsm08yiDWsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwCT2QUhIvQ

Shandor posted these videos on Youtube himself. These are backups.

He since crashed the blue Subaru in a legal race in Knysna. So he is not such a good river as he makes out. Endangering lives for his thrill.

The dame is seen at the wedding at the 4:00 mark. This is the same guy - Shandor Hrabar (son of The good friend of the Dame).

Did the good friend, The Dame pull strings?

Is the General legitimate or was there more to this story about the hostage in Taiwan? Was Chen the hostage taker really innocent?

This information will be released to the press soon, but you are welcome to do a story on this.

I suspect that any of the above will cause huge chaos regarding the HBOS investigation which I believe is just a delay tactic to cover for the bank fraud.

DAME FRIENDS WITH SOUTH AFRICAN FRAUDSTERS

DAME ATTENDS WEDDING OF SPEEDSTER WHO WAS NOT PROSECUTED

https://mirkomanojlovicblog.wordpress.com/

Or is the Dame really a very bad judge of character? Is she an idiot? I doubt she is an idiot. Then she must know or be complicit? Either way she should not be investigating a billion pound HBOS matter.

South African PEDO symbols and Satanist links

UK High court judge friends with Satanists.

EVERGREEN

ONE EYE SYMBOL

OWL

WOMENGROW - SATANIST

SNAKE SYMBOLS

MASKS

HBOS LLOYS BILLION POUND BANKING SCANDAL

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 8:02 a.m. No.16016252 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6257

3-JAN-2014-P

Vid captured 2 unlit or missing bulbs on Candy Floss kiosk, one on each front ridge as per vantage of Q camera in WW pic 2013/2014 season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE3fFS9WaJg

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 8:03 a.m. No.16016257 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6417

>>16016252

>>16016257

3-JAN-2014-P

Maybe a failing bulb on the front right ridge? It appeared unlit in one view and lit shortly after in same vid. Can't see an object blocking line of sight.

>>16016417

3-JAN-2014-P

Yup, both apparently unlit bulbs later appeared lit. Total of 9 lit bulbs across both front ridges. Two unlit positions lit moments later. Might interfere, droplets on camera lense? Haven't noticed smudges or droplets on different parts of camera frame. Intermittent?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 8:45 a.m. No.16016524 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7541

>>16016505

3-JAN-2014-P

Well, maybe those two bulbs were blocked by the statuette polar bear figurines atop kiosk toof? Might depend on dimness of rainy night and vantage of camera as coaster ride changed directions and elevations?

If so, then, all bulb positions were accounted as lit in that vid'z recording date some drenched night just before park closed for the season. Note posted date.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 9:36 a.m. No.16016809 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>0990

>>16016673

There was a figurine sitting on each side of main roof … positioned just so ,,, and blocked the view of the front ridges.

Looks like all bulb positions were lit on kiosk roof that night. That would include bulb position 3 on right front ridge in Q pic as well as 3lower positions on rear right ridge ,,, and all 5 positions on front left ridge.

This vid's Kiosk bulbs make fair Q match. Late in season.

>>16015488

>>16016809

Just a caveat that in the comments of Psyclone S’s main park vid taken on 15DEC he makes mention that he will post his on-ride vids later. “All on-ride footage to follow.”

vvvvvvvvvvv

>>15993602

Not saying he could not have crept back to WW with his fam to go on some rides missed first time. But almost all if PS’s on-ride vids say taken on 15DEC.

I haven’t gone to look at clothing worn in original vid on 15DEC yet.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 10:01 p.m. No.16021429 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6326

>>16015484

>>16015463

While this vid provides no Taken Date and lists a Posted Date months after the season ended, its date, MAR-2014-P, leaves open the entire 7 weeks or so of the 2013/2014 season.

During the recording, the weather looked overcast and crispy cold during daylight. In most of the scenes the crowds seemed medium to light. View of gift stalls providee gud example of medium anf Plaza gud example of light. Both are normally high traffic zones on busy dates of typical WW season, such as weekends and Christmas Week.

Business looked gud at Yeti ride and bumper cars both of which are aimed toward school kids. Bigger and moar aggressive and highly popular rides such as WM, looked lightly used. Christmas Coaster ran a lone and empty car, for example. Carousel Bar very light. But GOW had line. Santa Land not very busy and Reindeer ride at standstill. Over the Top spun w/o passengers.

Maybe due to weather?

Time of day, time of week, time of season?

10AM to 10PM each day.

Late NOV to Early JAN.

Colours of tree coverage looked moar autumn than winter, but also depended on that year's weather. In a few views, people looked well-bundled, including those pushing prams.

View of Candy Floss Kiosk showed unlit bulb position at 3rd from lower end of right front ridge, as previously observed. Looked like the 3rd was middle position of 5 total on that ridge at that time. Other sauces showed 4 positions with gap at or near top of hip roof.

As anons have suggested, this looks like an image/day early in season before a modification … Such as between days when no positions were lit and when all 4 were lit, or at least when 3rd was lit, as it appears it may have been in Q pic. Or this vid was after change that added 5th position? The rear ridge show 5 positions, all lit.

This vid doesn't seem to match Q, due to unlit position 3, but does match the lower 3 bulbs on rear ridge that were captured lit in Q pic.

Nother cap - that season's live musical entertainment included: The Vaccines. Kek.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 5, 2022, 10:13 p.m. No.16021471 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5788 >>6581

>>16020990

Gud points. He did at least one recording in which he and another guy took turns recording and being recoded - and fam not in scenes.

16-DEC-2013-T included family. Still, possible that vids posted later included a mix of scenes from different Taken Dates, such as what may have been taken on 15th. At least some on-ride vids were just Psy and Buddy.

>>16021471

J’ai une question, fren. Regarding the date posted when you submit a vid to YT, does one manually enter the date? Or is it generated automatically like a time stamp?

Found a vid, of no consequence, however it says it’s from 2015, a couple of times actually, but the place where one looks for its posted date says specifically: 2013 Nov 23. It even lists as 8 years old.

You may guess my keen interest.

A certain Q post says 2015/2016 related. This brings to mind the intentional misidentification of docs subject to FOIA requests.

Can u shed light? Til now had been looking for 2013 WW but may recommend looking up 2015?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjBM4Y-Jjn8

>>16025788

Well here is another one of the person’s vids. If the Nov 23, 2013 date is the real date, then has a gud look at Candy Floss stand. 3rd light out on front left corner ridge. The plaza layout sure seems to be the 2013 layout to me but am not familiar with later years, sew buttons.

The music seems either Middle Eastern or mebbe Hindu, totally not Christmas music, which makes it a really odd feel. In a normal vid the camera guy has a certain group he is filming but not this one which gives it a creepy, out-of-place, loner feel to it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clcjL9l7tck&list=PLGxV3FL278JbwF-LUix5DpJxsIsePws9n&index=2

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 April 6, 2022, 5:47 p.m. No.16026363 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6982

>>16020990

When I was lookng over Metacrawler there were a few vids by Psyclone Steve on-ride. Still looks like all taken 15 Dec 2013

>>16021471

Typo correction'

15-DEC-2013-T.

Clarification: Discussion weighed recording of on-ride vids on same date as the vid which has Date Taken. Weighed against Date Posted of on-ride vid, 2-JAN-2013-P.

>>16025788

Posted Date = auto entered at time published on YT.

Note in titles, descriptions, comments can be entered in error AND can be edited.

POSTED different.

Manipulations of posted dates not available to typical user, but atypical user/s? IDK.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 6, 2022, 6:49 p.m. No.16026771 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6982

>>16025788

> may recommend looking up 2015?

Target = mismatch of POSTED v TAKEN.

Target = mismatch of CONTENT and assigned YEAR.

Ex1

Posted 2013/2014 season v editable Taken Date such as 2015/2016.

Ex2

Posted 2015/2016 season v editable Taken Date such as 2013/2014.

Ex3

Posted 2015/2016 v CONTENT of 2013/2014 season.

Ex4

Date Taken 2013/2014 v CONTENT of 2015/2016.

Other variations possible. Very big dig if persued. Where best to focus?

Let's review text of Q posts that include ref to distinguishing time guide v Timeframe or timeline, so on. Then add contrast "lighting" from two year delta.

2013 v 2015 = delta

Fren your observ could be grand chase of goose that is wild … Or mous that is wilde … Or a brilliant leap onto yuge target.

Excellent kerplunking. Shall we divide labour so as to get rapid test of this concept and to minimise risk of long steep slide?

>>16026095

https://www.youtube.com/user/LookGoodOnHoliday/search?query=2013

>>16026859

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjBM4Y-Jjn8

>>16026859

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clcjL9l7tck

Repeat at diff link. Unlike Plaza scene of 2013/2014, Power Tower scene may be 2015, on first look.

>>16026771

>Fren your observ could be grand chase of goose that is wild … Or mous that is wilde … Or a brilliant leap onto yuge target.

It was not without that VERY controversial line by Q in mind:

“2015/2016 related”. (A wild idea that there could be a 2015 WW park-goer vid with LP & PS.)

>>16026771

>Shall we divide labour so as to get rapid test of this concept and to minimise risk of long steep slide?

What do you propose? Any ideas? (One caveat would be if my search engine is not as gud as other anons.) I realize the potential for huge (time) slide. In any case, something to be mindful of checking.

>>16026363

>Still looks like all taken 15 Dec 2013

So I thought, with one exception being the multiple “coasters” vid. Was too tired to go back and look.

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 6, 2022, 8:01 p.m. No.16027231 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7541

>>16026859

>https://www.youtube.com/user/LookGoodOnHoliday/search?query=2013

If I understand you correctly about the ‘posted’ date being an auto-generated timestamp thing, then I think we have proof the vids are really from 22NOV2013 due to the fact our poster submitted two identical vids: one posted 22NOV2013, the other posted the next day along with 2 other different vids. It’s not with absolute certainty but the two identical vids were posted diff dates leads one to believe he posted one of three vids on 22NOV. Then on 23NOV he posted all three vids. Again, I think all 3 vids were taken on the same night.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 6, 2022, 8:06 p.m. No.16027258 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6326

>>16026095

Date Posted = 23-NOV-2013-P

= day of or one day after opening 2013/2814 season.

5 positions in bulb array on front right ridge on kiosk roof (as would be viewed from vantage of Q pic's camera).

3rd, or middle position, on that ridge was unlit.

4 other positions were lit.

5 lit bulbs on corresponding rear ridge.

Note relative angles of kiosk, direction tree, wooden tower AND Bavarian Village (electronis white sign at front entrance).

Odd that two young children left to stand alone in centre of Plaza on budy night. Maybe related/with camera operator, idk.

>>16027277

on busy night

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 6, 2022, 8:31 p.m. No.16027377 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7743

>>16027277

At first glance it appears so, but is that mama bear, or gran bear with a blue head covering right behind the girl?

>>16027231

Please check for errors and typos in following recap.

>poster submitted two identical vids: one posted 22NOV2013, the other posted the next day […] I think all 3 vids were taken on the same night.

Opening night = 22nd

= Date Taken regardless of Date Posted as per auto timestamp and despite year in title.

This cap/vid of Plaza esp kiosk bulbs is now firmly dated 22-DEC-2013-T, earliest night shot found so far.

Clarifies 5 bulb positions on front right ridge. Same on rear.

Clarifies 5 before reduced to 4 positions.

Clarifies 3rd front position unlit while all rear 5 lit.

Q pic showed same.

For emphasis, "showed" 5 lit in rear.

For empasis, "showed" lit 3rd from eaves position in front.

Q pic did not capture all bulb positions on front right ridge. Coulda been 4 and coulda been 3. But showed part of lit bulb at 3rd position.

See >>15991203,

Process of elimination. Looks like the NOV sauces are not Q matched re unlit #3. Looks like early DEC not Q matched re unlit #3.

See >>16006598, >>16008902

15-DEC-2013-T possible Q match re #3.

Maybe not re heavy rainfall that day and part of night.

See >>15991608, >>15995918, >>16007914, >>16014027

By time kiosk bulbs had been captured 27-DEC-2013-P, possible Q matches re #3.

See >>16015161.

By time scene captured in 3-JAN-2013-P, also possible Q matches re #3.

See>>16016417, >>16016505, >>16016524

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 6, 2022, 9:19 p.m. No.16027597 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8062

>>16027541

>Q pic did not capture all bulb positions on front right ridge. Coulda been 4 and coulda been 3. But showed part of lit bulb at 3rd position.

Coulda been an array of 5 or an array of 4 bulb positions on right front ridge in Q pic. But only #3 was shown, partially, and it was lit.

Seen in mind's eye, >>16015017, >>16014998, >>16014825, ( >>>>15968051 ),

>15982224, >>16014832

>>16027377

Ah, yes, adult supervision, on mobile phone, waiting in area common for meet-ups AND for watching friends riding Power Tower.

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 6, 2022, 10:03 p.m. No.16027760 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8080

>>16027541

>Please check for errors and typos in following recap.

>This cap/vid of Plaza esp kiosk bulbs is now firmly dated 22-DEC-2013-T, earliest night shot found so far.

CORRECTION:

S/B 22-NOV-2013-T

>>16027541

>By time scene captured in 3-JAN-2013-P, also possible Q matches re #3

I think you meant to say:

3-JAN-2014-P ?

Those are the only typos I think there are.

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 6, 2022, 10:27 p.m. No.16027829 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7944

Do you think it’s premature to consider a bar graph of our 3 separate markers for date matches/overlaps?

XMAS GRILL (Eaves),

XMAS GRILL (Banner),

Candy Floss Cart

Or maybe a calendar with different colors (red/yellow/blue) for potential matches. Would be looking for all three to match a date.

Use your understanding of the banner light matches. It doesn’t matter if we disagree on some things. Graphs and visuals always seem to help to see which direction the compass is pointing.

Am not capable of doing that graph but I think we have to try to use those partial markers we have been given, where we only have a banner, or we only have the eaves or the ridge lights and try to put them together. Maybe a graph of overlapping matches.

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 6, 2022, 10:49 p.m. No.16027944 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8090

>>16027829

>Maybe a graph of overlapping matches.

Or maybe its opposite? If we can’t graph for matches, then perhaps we can graph for mismatches. If all you got is nothin, then we can map where we got nothin. And somethin’s gonna be in between.

Could we then overlay our a)mismatch graph over our b)matching graph?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 6, 2022, 11:29 p.m. No.16028062 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3961

Working on a vid to illustrate the point that Q pic showed position #3 (my nickname for bulb position on front right ridge, 3rd position from lower corner of roofline) only partially, and it was lit.

And to show that this position was aligned with 3rd clapboards around the hip roof and thus #3 was aligned also with 3rd bulb position on each of the other ridges.

And to show that #3 was part of an array of bulbs, on that particular ridge, that was comprised of 5 positions early in the 2013/2014 WW season; this arrangement later became an array comprised of 4 bulb positions with #3 continuing to hold same position re 3rd clapboard.

And to suggest that Q pic captured a lit bulb at #3 rather than missing or unlit bulb.

In some sauces #3 appeared occupied by lit bulb, in others unlit or empty. Likewise the 5th or topmost position on this ridge showed with lit bulb or missing bulb or as an actual gap where that array had become shorter.

Upshot is that Q pic's #3 is same bulb position captured in sauces that showed that ridge with bulbs in place with either 5 positions or with 4 positions, lit, unlit, failing, or missing.

For a fair Q match on #3, the position will be lit, IF discernment of Q pic = #3 occupied by lit bulb that was partly obscured by sign in between it and the camera.

This means that kiosk lights are gud marker for narrowing time interval, but not as clear cut as would be neededbto be a bit of decisive evidence, I think. It might be supportive of other evidence where the comparisons do not contradict.

>>16027760

>S/B 22-NOV-2013-T

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>3-JAN-2014-P

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tanks, anon.

>>16027944

Yes, that is good idea. Illustrste/ track process of elimination. Also can show uncertainties which, as evidence is gathered, may become less uncertain.

Basic goal is to weigh what we have, ie what we know we know, on the whole, including the holes, ie what we know we do not know, because we likely have more than we know.

>>16016417

>Can't see an object blocking line of sight.

I have no doubt that is the polar bear statue blocking the light. As the camera angle changed ever so slightly, the full set of lights appears.

>>16016505

>Two unlit positions lit moments later. Might interfere, droplets on camera lense? Haven't noticed smudges or droplets on different parts of camera frame. Intermittent?

“Moments later…” tells the story. It is the camera angle changing so that the polar bears are no longer blocking the light near the source.

It’s the polar bears for sure.

>>16031844

>>16032549

POLAR BEARS: “We blockin’ yer light, Anon?”

Anonymous ID: d71c6b April 7, 2022, 5:31 p.m. No.16032712 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2739

>>16032549

>>16032712

Damn smudge. Sorry, messed that up. Hard to do phonefagging memes. Here’s a clean one.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 8, 2022, 1:19 a.m. No.16034696 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6326

>>16026095 .

For emphasis: This vid provided best reverse on-the-ground view, so far, of the Plaza area in which the two Q pics depicted a WW scene on a night during 2013/2014 season.

Each vidcap from that (30 seconds) vid snippet is a keeper. An excellent find.

Starts at mark 5:43

Ends 6:13

Done in [30]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clcjL9l7tck&list=PLGxV3FL278JbwF-LUix5DpJxsIsePws9n&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clcjL9l7tck

>>16031844

Kek, habbenings live in UK Bread.

>>15971899

Does this Q pic show view of Xmas Grill eaves?

Shadows. Items a, b, c. Compare darkness to lightness. Compare length and angle/ trajectory. Faint v definite? Source of light and casted shadows?

Estimate distances?

>>16035130

>. Compare length and angle/ trajectory. Faint v definite? Source of light and casted shadows?

>3. Estimate distances

If you look at those ground cover squares, the sign tree appears set diagonal to their alignment, as well as the arches towers. I tried to guestimate the distance from Candy floss stall to Xgrill and cam see about 15 of those squares.

2.5 meter squares? 37.5 meters = 120ft.? >>16035130

IDK

It’s hard to get my brain to convert the orientation of those squares to get a line from the Q camera to the Xmas gill. Not sure about seeing the XG banner. Sometimes I think I make out the colors on the circular stuffed animal stall. I almost think you could run a row of those ground squares across the plaza and run into one of the towers. Idk Take a real good look at the ground cover squares. Observe the round spots on them like they were dominos with 4 dots. Two dots on the top and two dots on the bottom. As I see it, the couple appear aligned ‘like’ they are coming out of that place where the BLUE ARROW is pointing from. Is that an entrance to that Bavarian place? See pic

And we think the WM pic was taken from the towers/arch (GREEN ARROW).

Remember those ground squares like dominos. [: :][: :]

Our selfie couple seems lined up

Anonymous ID: d7bd77 April 8, 2022, 6:51 a.m. No.16035653 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7360

>>16035499

Of course, the selfie couple is only 1 and a half ground squares away from the sign tree to their left. So not near Bavarian place. Could be in front of one of the arch towers but again keeping the sign tree on their left.

>>16035499, >>16035653

^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

Tippy Top, fren.

Gud guesstimates that are well-based.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 8, 2022, 1:32 p.m. No.16037698 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7706

>>16035499

>ground squares like dominos. [: :][: :]

These were intoduced there that season.

Hence the odd composition with boots on the ground. "Draws" attention both to and away. Unit of measure.

>>16037698

The shadows. Woman's at tree sign, man's, handbag lady's? Faint? Length? Source of light? How can a shadow be "neutralized"? Camoflauged shadows.

https://www.askaprepper.com/camouflage-concealment-art-staying-hidden/

For many wild animals, staying invisible is the key to survival.

Prey animals don’t want to attract the attention of predators; predators want to be able to sneak up on their prey without being seen.

https://productpictips.com/16-tips-to-eliminate-shadows-in-product-photography/

Armies teach that camouflage and concealment are different, but related, skills. Concealment is making yourself harder to see; camouflage is changing something’s appearance so it’s harder to notice.

Camouflage doesn’t need to involve making whatever you’re camouflaging look like something else; as long as it doesn’t look like what it actually is that’s good enough.

The human eye is naturally drawn to anything that looks out of place. It’s also drawn to anything that looks familiar.

If you can keep yourself concealed you’re at much lower risk of being attacked; you control your contact with other people – because they don’t know you’re there.

https://stipsniper.com/2019/10/03/the-7-ss-of-camouflage/

No matter how good the camouflage, you can’t hide that big dark shape of a shadow.

Try to become familiar with all this info to help you stay hidden in the field. The suit alone won’t do it, it’s all about mastering the finer details, especially how you the sniper interact with the terrain. Learn to be part of it.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 8, 2022, 1:45 p.m. No.16037755 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7778

>>16035499

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 8, 2022, 1:50 p.m. No.16037778 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9088

>>16037755

>>15678010 PB

>Triple-Jabbed Queen Elizabeth II, 95, Positive for Coronavirus

ONE IS GREATFUL TO BE BOOSTED AND IT WOULD BE WORSE WITHOUT THE VAX

>>15689722 PB

>OnlyFans accused of conspiring to blacklist rivals

THIS SHIT MAKES NOTABLE IN UK Q BREAD?

WHAT ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE IS THIS?

>>16037786

ILLINOIS?

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 April 8, 2022, 5:45 p.m. No.16039085 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1001

>>16037786

Bitching about something last bread?

All Caps?

Be Gone Shill

>>16037778

My best orientation of the dominos is that, if you give them a vertical/horizontal orientation, they appear to be perpendicular to the BAVARIAN place. This orientation seems to be confirmed by the Garry Knight photo of XG which shows the dominoes reach the stand at a DIAGONAL angle.

I have drawn BLUE arrows to show my best rough guess of the dominos grid. GREEN arrow is the estimated alignment of the Q pic showing the ground squares. For the RED arrow orientation, the woman would enter the square (like chess) where the man is and they both would pivot just a bit so that the sign post is then on their right.

>>16039088

Don’t be pulled by the yellow ‘x’ in the cap. I should not have put that x there. It only confuses. The couple are most likely where the RED and GREEN arrows intersect. And THAT ‘x’ marks the spot (roughly). It’s where 1) the woman snaps a pic, then they enter the same square and 2) the second Q pic is taken.

CAVEAT: I hope that anons can pick out the differences between the different orientations being discussed here: a) ground cover vs b) selfie couple orientation, vs c) our Q pics camera orientations. I find myself confusing them.

>>16035130

>Does this Q pic show view of Xmas Grill eaves?

So getting back to your original question, had to confirm direction of “dominos” the woman is standing on with all my previous discussion. But, it looks like XG could be somewhere over her shoulders. I think it is in that direction.

Anonymous ID: 3e0e0a April 8, 2022, 11:54 p.m. No.16041001 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6945

>>16039085

hey friend - can we talk?

f4al@protonmail.com

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 4:48 a.m. No.16041506 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>1550

>>16039088

Four Plaza pics. First w vid's original exposure to show bright lights to map to Q pic. Note tower of white lamps; and yellow light source. Second w over exposure to show ground mats. Third w vid's original exposure to show position of sign tree v kiosk on mats. Fourth over exposed for comparison.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 5:08 a.m. No.16041550 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>2010

>>16041506

>>16041550

Well one possibility for absence of long shadow on our camera girl is that there is simply sufficient light near her to light the ground behind her. I almost think she had her back to the donut tower* so that the shop lights were lighting the ground where we should expect the same shadow as her friend.

*IIRC I believe one of the two towers served “chips n dips’ and the other served doughnuts. The one tower whose side we just catch a glance of in the WM pic is the chips tower.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 10:56 a.m. No.16043136 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3503

>>16042010

(Or she is an undead, a vamp.)

Here is a panarama from vid. To show space between sign tree and Chip tower.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 9, 2022, 11:55 a.m. No.16043503 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3696

>>16043136

This is what I had in mind. Make any adjustments to my estimate if you think. Just remember that for their selfie pose she must approach her friend and they pivot a bit. Most important though is that the sign tree must be to the right of the couple in the WM pic.

She has her friend kind of lined up with the ladies at the sign tree.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 12:26 p.m. No.16043655 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3670 >>3699

>>16042010

Maybe something like this?

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 9, 2022, 12:29 p.m. No.16043670 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3784

>>16043655

👍

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 12:34 p.m. No.16043696 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3722 >>3807

>>16043503

Seeing same thing?

In panorama, CAM is approx in place the GU & GAL stood for selfie. I think that held tickets for the camera and he took pic on stick. He prolly vid their ride/s too.

Maybe LP was at sign tree in both WW pics.

>>16043655

As I look at your overhead inset to the Q pic, there could be some adjusting. For reference, (left to right): ladies at sign tree, guy with teddy bear, girl taking pic. I am with you on surv cam location, but mebbe could refine our line of sight using that as our guide.

>>16043696

>Maybe LP was at sign tree in both WW pics.

That’s a new theory I never heard anyone mention. Girl in cable-knit or light sweater? Has her look.

>>16043670

CAM came very near the couple. So Q pic might be vidcap. Mobile. CAM had legs. Maybe one of individuals in other WW pic.

2 Q pics.

2 CAMs.

1 elevated.

1 on ground.

Plus CAMs carried by targets.

What if couple were NOT actual targets?

Props for pic-taking?

In both Q pics both Q cam AND couple's cans aimed toward potential subjects in background as well as each other?

Watching you watching him watching me?

Pic in pic.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 9, 2022, 12:49 p.m. No.16043807 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3879

>>16043696

>In panorama, CAM is approx in place the GU & GAL stood for selfie.

I kinda favor your orig theory of fsurv cam betw the towers. I envisage the girl, after taking her friend’s picture, approaching his position at the red X to pose for their selfie. Reason I see her approaching him is because he is already juggling his selfie-stick, teddy bear and a shopping bag between his knees to prevent it getting wet and dirty on the ground. His position works for the fsurv wide angle shot as well. It keeps the sign tree on the right of the selfie couple.

>>16043784

>What if couple were NOT actual targets?

>Props for pic-taking?

>In both Q pics both Q cam AND couple's cans aimed toward potential subjects in background as well as each other?

Yup. Have always kept those two ladies in the running. We in UK bred never presuppose our targets are perfectly framed. After all, Q has come right out and said this. Swiped or stolen can be from passers-by or in the vicinity. Can be used in desperation if trying to get an idea where the target is but there would be no guarantee of good shots or any at all if persons nearby didn’t have their phones out.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 9, 2022, 1:02 p.m. No.16043879 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3956

>>16043807

Panorama sauce's cam had legs, natch, which stood about the same spot where GUY & GAL stood during the WW pic that was taken by Q cam betwixt towers, slightly back toward rear side of Doughnut tower. IOW the panorama captured approx the view the couple had as they stood in same place.

Easy to imagine their view, unobstructed, of sign tree area. AND the queing area in front of Chip tower, as per the Q pic featuring Wilde Mous.

>>16043784

>What if couple were NOT actual targets?

>Props for pic-taking?

>In both Q pics both Q cam AND couple's cans aimed toward potential subjects in background as well as each other?

Yup. Have always kept those two ladies in the running. We in UK bred never presuppose our targets are perfectly framed. After all, Q has come right out and said this. Swiped or stolen can be from passers-by or in the vicinity. Can be used in desperation if trying to get an idea where the target is but there would be no guarantee of good shots or any at all if persons nearby didn’t have their phones out.

Having viewed many open sources, get sickening feeling that WW has served as hunting grounds of human traffickers. A diff theme for theme park. Predators and prey. Cams catalogue. Crime scene/s.

Progress being made on this dig. Few moar vids in pipe.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 9, 2022, 1:17 p.m. No.16043956 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>4015

>>16043879

>Panorama sauce's cam had legs, natch, which stood about the same spot where GUY & GAL stood during the WW pic that was taken by Q cam betwixt towers, slightly back toward rear side of Doughnut tower.

See >>16039088

I envision two diff angles. First, GREEN ARROW(fsurv) is to the right of where the girl is pointing her cam. Second, RED ARROW, is from between the towers where you said.

>>16043956

Well, my green arrow prolly should start from the side of the doughnut tower as you placed it. Makes sense to be around there. Then maybe sneak around back of tower and snap next pic from betw the towers.

>>16043784

>Watching you watching him watching me?

Here’s fun thought. What if asian girls were faking a selfie to photograph the couple’s selfie. An asian intelligence surv. I gotta admit something has always bugged me about that fsurv wide angle and here’s why: How come this camera was still able to get a nice shot of those same 4 people just over the heads of those asian girls? I don’t care what can be said that asian women might be short. Although I can’t tell if any of the asian girls might be ‘pretend’ posing for a selfie, it’s just a weird shot to take over the heads of people. Idk.

>>16043928

Best News I've gotten all week! Much Thanks!

I have a start on buns for this bread, but get lost or called away every time I go to sort things.

WW Bulbs Bun

>>15955493 Checklist template for use by anons' documentation of the bulb positions on the XMASS GRILLE stall in righthand side of Q pic of WW

>>15964214 Charts for comparison: 24NOV2013T, 25NOV2013P, 19DEC2013T (Vlogger), Q1456, 15DEC2013T, 17DEC2013T (Kalpachek)

>>15964716, >>159664746, >>15964784 Summary to-date in dig

>>15964862, >>159644891 Q1456

WW Bun

>>15959121, >>15959378 Pic Comparison Q1456 with Q1721

>>15961893 Revisiting pics from UK #43

Embankment Bun

>>15961747 Pics from UK #43

Not really much

>>16044211 (me)

Let's get rid of the extra digits and try that again

WW Bulbs Bun

>>15955493 Checklist template for use by anons' documentation of the bulb positions on the XMASS GRILLE stall in righthand side of Q pic of WW

>>15964214 Charts for comparison: 24NOV2013T, 25NOV2013P, 19DEC2013T (Vlogger), Q1456, 15DEC2013T, 17DEC2013T (Kalpachek)

>>15964716, >>15964746, >>15964784 Summary to-date in dig

>>15964862, >>15964891 Q1456

>>16043928

>>16044211

>Best News I've gotten all week

Bakes, I think this post is for you.

vvvvvvv

>>16041001

Found what I think is an actual Christmas Day, 25DEC2013 short vid. It is posted Christmas Day, so far a very rare day to be posting don’t you think? Am getting frerlz this was actually Christmas and the poster wanted to send this short vid out to her fam. The vid only had 8 views when I first saw it.

Has some never before seen, on the ground, reverse views looking back at sign tree and arch towers.

On that right hip roof ridge, I see only one light near the eaves. See for yourselves at 01:00 min. It’s daylight but decorative lights are lit. Can’t see the third light lit. Could be it’s the last 10 days of WW and moar lights have burned out. Take a look.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9y0L1FCh0

Some vidcaps from vid. I think moar bulbs are lit on that hip roof ridge than I first noticed. Possibly 4. Definitely 3. And a poss ID on that bright light source in that area of the chips and doughnut towers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9y0L1FCh0

>frerlz

= feelz

Kek. Mebbe it’s the Alpine Bar vibes. “Frerlz”

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 10, 2022, 9:12 p.m. No.16052621 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3056 >>6326

So, criteria for Candy Floss cart Q match appear met in this vidya:

1) Third light from bottom of front right ridge is LIT.

2) Three lights on the right rear ridge are LIT.

>>15961175

Ask Durham. He'll know.

>>16052621

^^^^^^^^^

>>16051988

This is an excellent sauce and a fine find.

Can see that lower bulb is present and lit. Daylight pic seems too uncertain on other positions. Darker pic seems uncertain on 2nd from lower bulb position and uncertain on uppermost position which would be 4th and/or 5th positions.

Darker pic shows light at middle position, I think. This is the position, or is very near the position that seems lit in Q pic. IF that position in this sauce fairly resembles the same in Q pic, then, actual bulb lit or reflecting or whatnot, then, fair match, I think.

And that's the significance of #3 (as I've been calling that middle bulb position).

The other ridges? Of course, the other front ridge, as viewed in Q pic, was not captured in this sauce. So neutral for a Q match. The rear ridge clearly shows lit bulbs in the lower 3 positions, which were captured lit in Q pic. The other positions on that rear ridge were not captured in Q pic; and neither were the positions on the other rear ridge captured in Q pic. So those are also neutral whether lit or otherwise, but may prove useful in sequencing with other sauces.

Upshot is that two criteria met for fair Q match on kiosk. This sauce was taken no later than 24 DEC 2013 because posted on 25th and WW park was closed on 25th. Could have been taken earlier, but not later.

>>16053719

>>16028062

Now, to exercise sceptism or caution, let's reconsider what is discernible versus what may be clearly seen.

While Q pic does seem to show at least one partial bulb, perhaps obscured by sign and/or garlands, (perhaps lit, perhaps dimly lit, perhaps only reflective off another source of light), my eyes can not be certain of that. To quantify, call me 75% confident that I dicern a #3 match with Q on this piece of puzzle.

And while this vid captured at least 2 lit bulbs, it is less certain in my eyes that Q's #3 position is in same location on the ridge. Close? Yep. So close it resembles Q pic? Yep. But seems a little high. Almost could be 4th from the eaves, if capboard pattern is also reckoned. Good resemblance to that location in Q pic, yes. Call me 90% confident that I discern a Q match on this element.

So while not beyond doubt, overall and by preponderance of the available evidence this sauce is a Q match.

This kiosk feature, as a marker of time, is corroborative. Like the Xmas Grill eaves lights, the kiosk ridge lights are fairly distinctive in Q pic and have been captured with differenfed in various sauces. Q matches have been hard to come by. This is also the case with the banner sign above Xmas Grill; and with the additional difficulty of discerning the state of that feature as captured in the Q pic. If these 3 markers align on a given date, or within a set of bookends, then, we may have narrowed the interval for the WW pics to something less than the 7 weeks the seasonal attraction was open.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 11, 2022, 8:05 a.m. No.16054190 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8569

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9y0L1FCh0

How to describe the weather signs in this vid?

Recording showed morn, afternoon, evening, dark of night. So consider signs across the twelve hours open, 10AM to 10PM.

Wet ground cover at least part of thevday.

Sky appeared changing from mostly overcast to mainly blue and open.

People's clothing also seemed to shift from bundled up to lighter then bundled again. But wouldn't say especially frigid. Looked a bit crisp but not harsh. Pleasant, really.

So, rain early morn, wet underfoot but opening sky above. Partially overcast day on the whole.

Observs?

Posted 30 Dec 2013 (22 seconds), originator marks it as Christmas Eve, notice the clear black sky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66nQLVsF3t8

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>>16054190

>Recording showed morn, afternoon, evening, dark of night.

Can you say why you think they were there in the morning, Anon? No big deal. Just asking. Could they have arrived in the afternoon? Found a clock in Tower plaza. Looks like 3:13pm, which is about an hour and 15 minutes to sunset. Not that it matters, but they might have arrived in the afternoon.

>>16058569

Sorry, sunset on 24DEC2013 was about 3:55pm. Some 42minutes after the Tower Plaza sequence.

>>16058569

>Can you say why you think they were there in the morning, Anon?

10AM Opening. Looked like meal for some before dark. Dusk before next meal time (indoors looked like). Dark later maybe 2-3 hrs on, toward night, if not as late as closing.

But this included assumptions about people in scenes. Such as maybe more showing up after rainy skies cleared. So, yeh could have spent much less time, just an afternoon and early evening on Christmas Eve day - or previous day. Not so many followed Christian trads in UK as did even couple decades prior to that recording. Crowded park, looked like.

>>16051988

>>16053961

>>16053719

After another look, found a detail that might change assessment of match-ups.

Start w Q pic and clarity of 3 bulb positions lit. These look evenly spaced on the clapboard pattern. On closer look the pattern is comprised of rows of shingles or simulation of. This roof pattern aligns with bulbs on Q pic's front left ridge; and on all hip ridges as seen in open sauces. Useful as reference to map bulb positions. Across seasons this type of kiosk was adorned with arrays of 5 bulbs on all 4 hip ridges and deviations can be spotted as rare. Also, this type of kiosk was typical dressed with another array along top central ridge. In Q pic, this long array appears but with empty sockets or unlit bulbs. This deviation is easy to miss in Q pic as it seems to have persisted across all open sauces. Noticeable when compared with other like kiosks in other locations. While I mention this here to provide fuller accounting and contest, the lack of lit bulb positions on central ridge is neutral for our purpoees, I think.

So each hip ridge = an array of 5 positions and each bulb position aligns on roof pattern of tiles or shingles. Q pic clearly shows full array on front left ridge and partial arrays are shown on right front and right rear ridges.

Continued …

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 11, 2022, 11:35 p.m. No.16058913 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8952

>>16058810

In some sauces there are dim bulb positions on this kiosk. This effect could have been due to failing bulbs or other malfunctions. Could have been dead bulbs or unpowered arrays; the bulb might have reflected others sources of light.

In Q pic, the unlit sign tree threw its own reflections, too. Brightly painted and shiny surfaces through out the park have been captured doing this, natch. Happened in a few sauces that showed the sign tree and front ridge of this kiosk. So that effect was in the mix for matchups.

That aside, it seems Q pic might have captured 3 bulb positions on right front ridge. One on or close to central ridge? One at #3, mid-array, and one more at #1 position, on corner of eaves. I note these positions after re-viewing the open sauced pics am posting again.

Cont …

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 11, 2022, 11:40 p.m. No.16058928 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8977 >>9128

>>16058810

Think that plastic curtain on left side of CF stand was always there? So maybe not a gud marker? See pic. Seems like a shower curtain like sheeting? Mebbe to just keep a cold wind at bay?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 11, 2022, 11:49 p.m. No.16058952 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9021

>>16058913

>One on or close to central ridge?

This could have been the topmost bulb position in the rear lett array. Likely was.

>one more at #1 position, on corner of eaves

This could have a bit too low for the lowest position in array on front right ridge. However, that arrays appeared to have moved, at least thrice, as captured in open sauces. This could account for an unusual appearance in Q pic. Then again, what is seen may well have been a reflection off tree sign.

So in my view, these two uncertain positions are neutral to reckoning Q match.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 12:02 a.m. No.16058977 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9012

>>16058928

Such things might have been used to enclose the products against inclement weather. Dunno if stock would be removed after closing each day, but the sheet might have been used to "close shop".

In the case of that kiosk, in that plaza, the plastic draping might have been left unfurled during business hours to direct purchasers toward other 3 sides, idk. Do think weather protection is better explanation.

Yeh, potential marker.

In Q pic that plastic drape was captured on left side of kiosk, as you may know. Its effect visually resembled effect at tower's edge under awning.

>>16058977

I have never seen the stand operators for that stand. Do they situate themselves in the middle somehow? You are right about ‘closing shop’ with it. But if it was me, and there was a constant breeze from the North, I’d be leaving the drapes on that side up.

>>16058810

… Continued

Here are two caps from 2013-DEC-25-P. First one just barely captured glint of 4 bulb positions on Q's right front ridge, reverse view. To my eye, the topmost position, the 5th, was empty or unlit. (See discussion here >>16058952 ). Neutral anyway.

Next cap. Used the array positions of previous cap (from same sauce) to reckon positions in this second cap. The purpose was to compare with rear ridge and to align along the horizontal tile or shingle pattern (previously misnamee as clapboard) which "bridges" the front and rear ridges. Second cap has been lightened and marked-up. Note feet and seat of bear figurine.

Please take a close looksee.

Continuee …

>>16059021

Line 4 of roof pattern was the roofcap on central ridge as good portion of shingles on long flank lay under it while a single large shingle covered corresponding smaller space atop hip roof's short flank.

See cap from 23-NOV-2013-P.

Continued …

>>16059021

>>16059055

Cap from 15-DEC-2013-T.

Note the five rows of shingles on long flank and four on short siee of hip roof. See bear's feet and seat.

In Q pic, barely see the bear. Just a hint of leg and seat. But does align with bulb position #3, I reckon.

Cont …

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 1:13 a.m. No.16059090 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9096 >>9454

>>16059062

>>16059021

Continued …

Cap from 16-M AR-2013-P

This showed three ridges with terrific view of front hip roof for reckoning roof tile pattern alignment short-long sides. Also clear view of five bulb positions in each array.

The front right array is in disarray. Again, note figurine's feet and seat. Compare with Q pic.

Minor note, but given the relative height of the topmost bulbs in the arrays of left front and right rear ridges, can you see, im mind's eye, how the corresponding topmost bulb in the array on rear left ridge might have made its appearance in Q pic view of central ridge?

If yes, then, Q pic showed a bulb position of each of the four lit arrays. Another data point, perhaps, for assessing Q matches.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 1:23 a.m. No.16059096 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9454

>>16059090

Do you see the potential for using 16-MSR-2013-P as means to figure line of sight through sign tree and onto front of kiosk? How might the ridge bulbs, and figurine, line-up in comparison with Q pic? Keep in mindelevation of camera. Compare with other open sauces that captured view of both kiosk and sign tree.

Happy hunting.

Cap from 30-NOV-2813-P.

#3 unlit.

Ok, now for that detail that may alter assessments of Q matches. In this cap there were five lit bulbs in the array on rear right ridge (as would be viewed from vantage of Q camera). Figure bulb positions on roof pattern.

Compare with 25-DEC-2013-P in which 3 bulbs eere lit on that ridge. The topmost position was unlit. Where was the other bulb position? Two of give were unlit.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 1:41 a.m. No.16059117 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9263 >>9454

>>16059116

Typo correction. Two of five were unlit.

Rear right ridge of Kiosk.

Cap from 15-DEC-2013-T.

Bulb positions appeared evenly dpaded.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 1:53 a.m. No.16059133 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9454 >>6326

>>16059128

15-DEC-2013-P.

Bulbs evenly spaced.

>>16059128

11-DEC-2013-P.

17-DEC-2013-T.

26-NOV-2013-P.

04-DEC-2013-T.

Note disarray of array on front right ridge of kiosk in 04-DEC-2013-T.Difficult to discern bulb positions on rear right ridge.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 2:07 a.m. No.16059152 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9454

>>16059145

>26-NOV-2013-P.

Note feet and seat of bear.

>01-DEC-2013-P.

Note disarray of array.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 2:46 a.m. No.16059216 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9454

>>16059055

Typo correction and for better clarity.

The 5th row of shingles, behind bear, were partly covered by roofcap on central ridge. On short sidemof roof, 4th row and what might be consideree location of 5th were covered by single large hip shaped shingle.

This means that the lower four rows in roof pattern corresponed over hip ridges to shorter side of hip roof. To figure the fifth row, note position of bear. Feet on third row, seat on fourth, and fifth behind bear's back. The pattern bridges the ridges. Can also use the roof signs that sit on first row on each side of four-sided roof.

>>16059062

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 3:02 a.m. No.16059263 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9286 >>9454

>>16059116, >>16059117

In 24-DEF-2013- P, would you figure that unlit positions were

A) 4th and 5th?

B) 2nd and 5th?

C) other, fill-in-blank?

Am torn between A and B.

Significance? If A, then, matches Q. But not if B. Meaning this could be best match or just another instance of seemingly random malfunctioning bulbs.

If the latter, then, we will neee to rely on sequencing to narrow the time interval during which Q pic could have been taken. But if the former, answer A, then increases likelihood of Christmad week. Sequencing might corroborate assigned sauce dates, idk.

What do you see?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 3:12 a.m. No.16059286 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9454

>>16059263

Drat, correction.

The sauce was 25-DEC-2013-Posted.

Since park was closed on Christmas Day, could not have been taken on 25th. Latest possible could have been 24th, but could have been taken earlier.

Taken between 15-DEC-2013-T and 25-DEC-2013-P? Not decided. Need moar.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 4:07 a.m. No.16059454 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9676

You bin werkin hard, Anon.

Have a virtual Coca-Cola.

I know I better get one myself.

I habs sum readin to do.

Cheers.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 5:02 a.m. No.16059603 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>9680

>>16059062

I really like this vidcap as it reveals the line of lights, esp. along the main roof ridge to be affixed to a solid bar, which I think you have begun to call an ‘array’. This should change how we perceive any changes in the light patterns. We are not talking about common flexible light strands which the average person might use to decorate their house. The lights on the roof ridges of the Candy Floss stand are semi-permanently, if not permanently affixed to what I consider a hard FRAME, the shape of which being all of the roof ridges welded together. This kind of permanency provides a periodicity as to where one should expect the next light socket to be affixed to the frame of a greater array. The reason for this array being a super-structure, as opposed to simply affixing lights to the roof of the cart itself is possibly related to a need to partially disassemble these carts. I simply don’t know. But it remains that there is a discernible roof array, maybe made of some square-tube metal to which the lights sockets are attached. Maybe they are single light bars that are assembled together over the roof.

>>16059454

Suppose that PsycloneSteve vids were recorded sameday, or on close days, and that 15-DEF-2013-T serves as a stake in the ground, if not as a firm bookend.

Well, on that day he captured 4 lit bulbs on front right ridge, which included #3. Okay. At least two additional sauces captured that also. Another sauce got it, too, buy posted in MAR 2014.

Based on previous sauces, that array of lights went from 4 of 5 lit positions (#3 unlit on opening day) to a disarrayed array (during first week of DEC) to a partially reset array of 4 lit bulbs (including #3 and not #5) by 15-DEC if not a bit earlier.

In a sauce posted 30-NOV-2013-P, #3 was unlit, so not Q match, AND all bulbs were lit on central ridge. That was the only sauce that showed litup top ridge I've seen so far. So not a Q match. This sauce also showed all 5 bulbs lit on rear right ridge which would match Q pic.

That fully lit array showed in NOV sauces and in DEC sauces until 25-DEC-2013-P. Then it showed only three lit.

To my eye the unlit bulb positions in that array on the right rear ridge (in that sauce) were the two up top. Comparison with the 30-NOV-2013-P and its litup central ridge, something interdasting popped out of 25-DEC-2013-P.

The topmost bulb position on the rear right ridge was about as high up the roof as the nearby rearmost bulb position on the central ridge. When lit, that topmost bulb on the rear right ridge could have been captured in Q pic very near the central ridge.

But only if the central ridge lights were unlit and not in the way of line of sight of Q camera position. But whatabout the rear left ridge's topmost bulb? Was it lit and would it show in Q pic too?

As it happens, the topmost position on that ridge was unlit in sauce taken on 15-DEC-2013-P. Just the lower four positions were lit then. See pic.

In 25-DEC-2013-P, the rear left ridge is hard to see, but no light is discernible near central ridge, just like in the attached pic taken at night from about 100 metres away on Wilde Mouse.

But is a bulb lit near the rear of central ridge in Q pic? Faintly, yes. I think so. This was either a bulb lit internally or lit by carrying reflection from nearby neighbouring bulb.

See pic in next post.

Significance?

The Q pic was closely matched to 25-DEC-2013-P but that sauce would fall short because of the lack of lit bulb at or very near the rear of central ridge.

So Q pic may have been taken BEFORE 25-DEC-2015-P. That would mean prior to that sauce being taken.

Or, if evidence of repair or replacement is found, taken AFTER a lit bulb reappeared in that spot. Process of elimination. Can we find such a sauce taken from between Christmas Day to season's end first week of JAN 2014?

>>16059603

^^^^^^

>>16059676

Reconsidered. The light in Q pic in rear spot near central ridge could not be in rear right array coz too far away. Uncertain could be in rear left array. Behind it there appears to be red light source from Wilde Mous so might be a bulb between that source and camera. Not self-illuminated, I think, but lit indirectly.

And so this marker is not related to rear arrays?

>>16059814

>>16059676

25-DEC-2013-P best Q match for kiosk ridge lights? Sorry for the quick misstep re bulbs near central ridge at rear right.

>>16059814

Was going to say to you to trust that right rear periodicity on a rigid light bar. I agree that mystery reddish bulb could be rear left (top) ridge light. If you drew a rear right projection as you did the front right ridge, I’m sure this would be apparent, and that we have just a little length of the main roof ridge exposed which, if we follow it to the rear, we could expect to possibly see the topmost light of the left rear ridge array peaking over the ridge.

Try adding to your original projection diagram, showing both the front and rear right ridges.

I thot there were some gud opposite rear views of the rear arrays. Will look again.

And it’s poss that top rear light is a ghost light. Will habs keep in mind looking at vids.

>>16059971

Thanks, Fren. Fresher eyes needed.

In this review of kiosk figured that eliminated more than 3 weeks by evidence from NOV alone; add 2 days closed in DEC; and likely tighten the NOT BEFORE bookend by first week or so in DEC. This cuts the interval by better than half from 7 to 3 weeks.

Add the Xmas Grill eaves and Banner and might eliminate JAN; which would narrow interval to around 2 weeks. Very promising.

Need moar late season images to firm-up the NOT AFTER bookend.

For the moment, think can safely narrow to at least NOT BEFORE 04-DEC-2013-T and stick with 6-JAN as NOT AFTER because season's end. Confident we can reason our way toward acnarrower interval with softer bookends, but holding out for solid direct rather than cicumstantial or speculative evidence. It is remarkable, I think, that we have three and possibly moar useful markers of signicance that may be corrobative on the whole. Generated out of deep scutiny and bloody mindedness. And encouraging discussions.

WWG1WGA

UK Anons and visitors might find this panorama useful as reference the wooden towers. This is generated from sauce recorded during 2014/2015 WW season. Also useful to establish that season does not match Q views of Plaza and its surrounds.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 8:01 a.m. No.16060380 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>0756

>>16059971

I think I can make out all 5 right rear ridge lights in this lightened pic.

Panorama generated from sauce recorded 11-DEC-2013-P. Shows towers and likely vantage from which Q pics was taken.

This panorama is useful as WILDE MAUS reference that shows at least four markers that differentiate WW 2014/2015 season from Q pics. Generated from sauce recorded 23-NOV-2014-P.

Look for big XXL sign, colourful picket fence on entrance ramp, water fountain,and revamped area in front of ride's facade ie no stands like Xmas Grill.

And one moar panorama as ref to distinguish WW 2014/2015 from Q pics. Generated from sauce recorded 23-NOV-2014-P. Showing corner view of entrance yo Plaza and WM ride. Biggest marker is the replacement of APRES Bar with St Nicholis House. Also look for diff in front of WM facade … no Xmas Grille or other food stands.

>>16060380

Panorama generated from sauce recorded 25-DEC-2013-P.

>>16059145

Alright, gonna maybe repeat myself, but mebbe can be forgiven as, yes going over same sauces but for different markers this time. And well, sometimes it’s just not the right time in the conversation.

I wanted to get a clean view of the 11DEC2013 vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=von-8hpHmeA

Wanted to see that front right ridgeline. I have what may be a speculative theory but it’s not completely off base. Remember the cap of the displaced array?

Call me crazy but I think it’s poss that in the 11DEC vid there is no right right ridge array. No lights, no Christmas garland, no strong shadow there. There is a mild shadow but one that could just be the ridge itself.

Theory goes like this: On 4DEC (German pic) the light array damaged/pulled away from its normal position. Mebbe increasing winds? Just the next day there were 30km/hr winds, the strength of which not to be matched until the severe storm on 23DEC. OTHER EVIDENCE: Could also have been damaged some other way also. I figure the 11DEC vid sauce is more likely taken on or about 7 or 8DEC based on the open source recorded Moon phase. The Moon recorded in the 11DEC vid looks more like a moon phase from 7 or 8DEC.

Now that is only 4-5 days after we saw a damaged right front array.

Could the damaged array have been removed for repairs to be done at the Electrical Engineering Section this traveling fun fair no doubt has. I can imagine it has a handful of full-time electricians on hand just for such repairs. The timing is real close. It works. But just on the lunar open source, I would put the vid alone as not later than 8DEC.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 10:15 a.m. No.16061193 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>3881 >>4057

>>16060820

Setting aside my theory on electrical repair of the ‘missing’ array, and just addressing the unlit bulbs seen in the 11DEC2013-P vid, the soft bookend created by the lunar match for “no later than” 8DEC will only allow us to say we have no proof the unlit bbs were not repaired the very next day on 9DEC2013. Until we find open sauce showing the lights remained unlit beyond 9DEC, then we can only place our stake in the ground as maybe not before 9DEC (for the candy floss lights marker).

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 4:38 p.m. No.16063651 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6326

>>16060820

>Moon recorded in the 11DEC vid looks more like a moon phase from 7 or 8 DEC.

>Now that is only 4-5 days after we saw a damaged right front array.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 5:12 p.m. No.16063881 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6326

>>16061193

Got series of sauces which shows full 5 bulb array (23, 26, 30 NOV-2013-P) with #3 unlit.

Got 2 sauces (04-DEC-2013-T & 11-DEC-2013-P) and a 3rd sauce (MAR-2014-P) which show distinct changes to this array before appearance of its reset look in later sources.

Got 3 sauces all taken on 15-DEC-2013-T which show array on front right array was reset with topmost bulb position unlit or empty.

And then 25-DEC-2013-P added changes to rear right ridge with upper 2 bulb positions unlit or empty. This was recorded before Christmas Day when park was closed that day.

And got gaps between each of these series of images. And between Christmas and season's end on 5-JAN-2013.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 5:42 p.m. No.16064057 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>8906

>>16061193

Looks like the currently available evidence showed that kiosk matched Q pic from at least 15-DEC-2013 to 25-DEC-2013. The lunar evidence of 11-DEC-2013-P (and possibly of 15-DEC-2813-T also) bolstered that interval.

That interval remains open to extension backward to 09-DEC-2023 and forward to 5-JAN-2014.

The Q view of the central ridge showed a dimly lit position, perhaps at rearmost position, which may refine the interval.

And the Xmas Grill's banner and eaves supports this current interval and can refine it moar effectively.

Q pic hinted of clear plastic draped under the wooden tower's awning. That marker may alter the interval because its appearance in open sauces has not been found, yet.

While moar open sauce evidence is needed, it is amasing that within Q pics we have had moar than we knew, all along.

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 5:57 p.m. No.16064130 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5359

>>16058569

Showtime also displayed a clock. Erratic, natch.

Some sauces showed ride tickets. These have timestamps. Might be discernible. IDK. Could show time of day plus date issued/ dispensed.

Question: How quickly does night fall in London winter? Duration of dusk? Does it hasten in December? Fluctuating markedly?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 12, 2022, 7:24 p.m. No.16064638 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5404

Frens, the Q view of Xmas Grill is heavily pixelated. During the dig on eaves lights, enlargements and enhancements were introduced for various purposes. These can and did also introduce distortions and artifacts. Sometimes neutral. Sometimes not.

When in doubt return to original. When certain that a detail is significant, revisit original.

Here are infographics that begin the documentation of the Xmas Grill lights during WW 2013/2014.

Please examine original for comparison with other versions of this Q Pic.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 9:30 p.m. No.16065359 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5429

>>16064130

>Question: How quickly does night fall in London winter? Duration of dusk? Does it hasten in December? Fluctuating markedly?

Maybe I can answer most of those with one response. The twilight time, between sunset and total dark, is about 40 minutes. We have of course the earliest sunsets of the year in December from 3:52 to 4:01pm. Not much difference to be noted.

Hasten? No more so in December than any other time of the year.

http://www.world-timedate.com/astronomy/sunrise_sunset/sunrise_sunset_time.php?city_id=148&month=12&year=2013&sun_param=0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TurhQyCmoc4

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 9:40 p.m. No.16065404 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5707 >>4521

>>16064638

From a completely different angle and the same bulb(s) are affected.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 12, 2022, 9:46 p.m. No.16065429 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5715

>>16065359

Of course a bit of overcast or clouds on the Western horizon could create an artificial extension of a sunset/twilight time period.

>>16065404

Yup, the 19-DEC-2013-P vlogger captured an unambiguously unlit spot on banner sign. Looks different from original Q pic.

>>16065429

^^^^^^^^^

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 13, 2022, 12:14 a.m. No.16065761 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>5946

>>16065707

>Looks different from original Q pic.

Okay, gonna need you to put those side by side, Q pic vs 19DECvlogger banners. Personally I don’t see a difference. Can you compare them, bulb by bulb please?

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 13, 2022, 2:11 a.m. No.16065946 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6256

>>16065761

Will plod through this because my use of pics, caps, and vids and enlargements and enlargements may have created misunderstandings. My apologies.

>compare them, bulb by bulb

Can you see bulb by bulb in original Q pic's banner? For me, have not found anywhere close to that level of detail in that heavily pixelated corner of the original Q pic.

Believe me, wish the Xmas Grill banner sign had been at least as well captured as tge kiosk bulbs. Even at that, #3 is very hard to distinguish. Other sauces helped map out the relevant objects that were in the original. Still, not 100% certain of #3.

The Xmas Grill eaves showed a morse code type pattern that could be discerned coarsely. Other sauces were far more clear. The bulbs were well spaced and that aided comparison of clusters by estimated lengths of clusters. Do not see that in the scrutiny of the banner sign. The raw data is more coarse there than either eaves or kiosk.

You may be correct to intuitively read into it exactly what you point out is obvious in 19-DEC-2013-P.

I do not see the bulbs in the banner sign, just bright "lines" which were understood to be closely mounted bulbs even w/o ref to other sauces (which have confirmed the morse pattern). The Q pic is the touchstone, not the references. The modus operandi: Always return to the original when in doubt; and moreso when certain a detail is significant.

Frankly, I do not see unlit gaps in the Q pic pixels that I can see clearly in the diff res and diff angle and diff distance captured in original frame in this vid.

Someone has suggested an object may have been in the line of sight. I don't see that in the original Q pic. But it is an open possibility.

Another suggested faintness, dimness, weakness and so thought thst could indicate a failing bulb or a bulb reflecting light off another source such as nearby shiny surface or close neighbouring lit bulbs. Possible, yes, an open possibility.

To some extent these open possibilities depend on assuming the conclusion and finding it where it is needed. That is the way of potentially big insights. But even that will come under scrutiny in pursuit of greater certainty in facts.

Open possibities are just that, pending moar evidence.

https://qanon.pub/data/media/e21a467394bcafdd201afeeff0b20a7121c954a79a21e143304cdbe7d2b001c8.png

Anonymous ID: 295a99 April 13, 2022, 3:10 a.m. No.16066107 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6145

Cap from Enter WW Plaza at Deep Impact

https://youtu.be/dm47unHZBi4

Dated as 2013/2014

Kiosk rear left ridge, 4 lit bulbs. Topmost bulb in that array in this saucenwas not high enough to be captured in Q pic.

>>16066107

Looking in open sauces for solution to the appearance of a dim bulb (or maybe a "ghost" bulb lit by other source of light) or a partly obscured lit bulb on the rearmof kiosk's central ridge.

19-DEC-2013-P

Reverse view of Q pic. Lights on rear ridges.

In Q pic only 3 bulbs were captured on the rear of kiosk roof. From Q camera view those were on the rear right ridge of the roof.

Here, in this vid cap, the camera is at the rear, facing toward the position (or vantage) from which Q camera took pic of this kiosk in the Plaza. So, to orientate yourself, the "rear left ridge" is on the right in this vid cap.

The topmost lit bulb does not seem high enough to have been captured in Q pic. However, keep in mind that the vantage of the Q camera was prolly as high or higher than the kiosk roof.

Moar on the Q camera later.

>>16065760

19-DEC-2013-P

Another cap from same sauce that showed ridge lights on kiosk at night.

(In case you noticed and were wondering, am cropping vidcsps of a vloggers who shot mostly in selfie mode or swung his camera often and quickly. Caught lots of gud stuff incidental-like, over shoulder, that prolly would not be in shot if not for his selfie vlogging method.)

This view serves as an example of how distance changes perspective. In addition, this view was more elevated. The vlogger stood on entrance ramp on his way to Wilde Mous coaster ride, which was in background of Q pic. This height and elevation provides plausibility to notion that a bulb on rear of kiosk was caught in Q pic view from the other side, or frojn, of that kiosk.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 13, 2022, 4:07 a.m. No.16066256 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>7927 >>5346

>>16065946

Well I just want to see what you think we might be seeing in those 2 banners in question. So let me just post these (possible) banners for the Q and 19DECvlogger vidcap. Just posting these for you to make corrections. I might not be seeing them as close matches at all.

Anonymous ID: d3d9cd April 13, 2022, 4:23 a.m. No.16066317 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6673

>>16066207

First of all, thanks for labeling your vidcaps. I am atm very confused on just these 2 vidcaps showing the rear of the CF stand. Am going to use terminology as if facing the stand in the Q pic to eliminate moar confusion.

Am I wrong or do I see the topmost LEFT REAR ridge light as being LIT in one of those caps but then seeing it UNLIT in another of the 19DECvlog-P caps?

See these 2 caps on the same evening?

>>16066207

Not sure if I’m having MagicEye(tm) or MagicBrain.

Anonymous ID: 5c0967 April 13, 2022, 4:25 a.m. No.16066326 🗄️.is 🔗kun >>6364 >>0557

Pulled an all-nighter helping on General Research, Please look these over and see if anything is missing or needs corrected. See anon in a few hours, going to catch a nap.

WW Bulbs Bun

>>15955493 Checklist template for use by anons' documentation of the bulb positions on the XMASS GRILLE stall in righthand side of Q pic of WW

>>15964214 Charts for comparison: 24-NOV-2013-T, 25-NOV-2013-P, 19-DEC-2013-T (Vlogger), Q1456, 15-DEC2013-T, 17-DEC2013-T (Kalpachek)

>>15964716, >>15964746, >>15964784 Summary to-date in dig

>>15964862, >>15964891 Q1456

>>16065707 19-DEC-2013-P vlogger captured an unambiguously unlit spot on XMAS GRILLE banner sign

>>16065949 Side by side: Q1456 and vlogger still 19-DEC-2013-T

WW Candy Floss Kiosk Bun

>>15967174 Q pic showed 3 of 5 lightbulb positions along slope of rooftop on cabdy floss stand located behind direction tree, all three lit

>>15967296 15-DEC-2013-T four lit bulbs, includng 3rd position

>>16014998 Composite of kiosk with view of right front ridge of hip roof and bear atop roof of right long flank, seven images revisited

>>16051920, >>16051988, >>16052621, >>16053719, >>16053961, >>16058810 25-DEC-2013-P

>>16015451 3/4 view showing distance from Direction Tree

>>16015484 Gud view of tree distance from kiosk in direct context of the Plaza and Wilde Maus

>>16026095, >>16027258, >>16034696 23-Nov-2013-P 3rd light out on front left corner ridge

>>16059128, >>16059133 Rear right ridge of Kiosk, 15-DEC-2013-T and 15-DEC-2013-P. Bulbs evenly spaced

>>16059145 Note disarray of array on front right ridge of kiosk in 04-DEC-2013-T compared to other dates

>>16063881 Series of sauces which shows full 5 bulb array (23, 26, 30 NOV-2013-P) with #3 unlit

>>16066145, >>16066207 19-DEC-2013-P Reverse view of Q pic. Lights on rear ridges

WW Bun

>>15959121, >>15959378 Pic Comparison Q1456 with Q1721

>>15961893 Revisiting pics from UK #43

>>16021429 MAR-2014-P Notice weather and crowd size

>>16035499 Ground cover squares to help estimate distances

>>16060820, >>16063651 Checking Moon over towers, 7, 8 or 11 December?