>>16651191

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“A more modern etymology was advocated by Gordon M. Day in 1968, elaborating upon Charles Arnaud from 1880. Arnaud had claimed that the word came from Montagnais irnokué, meaning "terrible man", via the reduced form irokue. Day proposed a hypothetical Montagnais phrase irno kwédač, meaning "a man, an Iroquois", as the origin of this term. For the first element irno, Day cites cognates from other attested Montagnais dialects: irinou, iriniȣ, and ilnu; and for the second element kwédač, he suggests a relation to kouetakiou, kȣetat-chiȣin, and goéṭètjg – names used by neighboring Algonquian tribes to refer to the Iroquois, Huron, and Laurentian peoples.

The Gale Encyclopedia of Multicultural America attests the origin of Iroquois to "Iroqu," Algonquian for "rattlesnake".The French encountered the Algonquian-speaking tribes first, and would have learned the Algonquian names for their Iroquois competitors.

Haudenosaunee ("People of the Longhouse") is the autonym by which the Six Nations refer to themselves.This name is occasionally preferred by scholars of Native American history, who consider "Iroquois" of colonial origin and a derogatory name adopted from their enemies.

Haudenosaunee derives from two phonetically similar but etymologically distinct words in the Seneca language: Hodínöhšö:ni:h, meaning "those of the extended house," and Hodínöhsö:ni:h, meaning "house builders".The name "Haudenosaunee" first appears in English in Lewis Henry Morgan's work (1851), where he writes it as Ho-dé-no-sau-nee. The spelling "Hotinnonsionni" is also attested from later in the nineteenth century. An alternative designation, Ganonsyoni, is occasionally encountered as well,from the Mohawk kanǫhsyǫ·ni ("the extended house"), or from a cognate expression in a related Iroquoian language; in earlier sources it is variously spelled "Kanosoni", "akwanoschioni", "Aquanuschioni", "Cannassoone", "Canossoone", "Ke-nunctioni", or "Konossioni".More transparently, the Iroquois confederacy is often referred to as the Six Nations (or, for the period before the entry of the Tuscarora in 1722, the Five Nations).The word is "Rotinonshón:ni" in the Mohawk language.”

>> I’ve put this section on purpose to show anons how original, true names of many cultures, people, civilizations and nations were twisted, mutated and changed by Westerners. Started to happen in a big way since the Greeks and it continued to the Romans till our days. Ever since that time, mostly nowadays Westerners call the Non Westerners nations/people what is fitting to them and not as the names truly are. Sometimes this is done on purpose and sometimes this is pure misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of that culture/people. Language can be confusing too, as in plays a major role in this. But apart the language, I’m mostly pointing to how Westerners like to project and reflect their own ideas and culture onto others which are not like them. And this is wrong because it changes the origins and disfigures FACTS. We’ve already encountered this way of approach of Westerners to non-Westerners civilizations before in this thread; like for example how the Phoenicians truly called themselves and how the West calls them because of the Greeks. Another example is the Armenians and how it’s the same thing taking place there.

I personally attach a great importance to etymology and mostly to know the original, true name of other cultures and civilizations = as they call themselves. This is very important because it can hide/hold clues to their origins and real identity. Depending on the case, we can also identify them sometimes to which Sebetti Clan they originated from; it’s not always the case, but sometimes it happens.

“Iroquois Confederation

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History

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Society

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>> If anons are interested in these sections, please use the link. I’m skipping them because they bring nothing we need in this thread.

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>>16654797

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“Women in society

The Iroquois have historically followed a matriarchal system. Men and women have traditionally had separate roles but both hold real power in the Nations. No person is entitled to 'own' land, but it is believed that the Creator appointed women as stewards of the land. Traditionally, the Clan Mothers appoint leaders, as they have raised children and are therefore held to a higher regard. By the same token, if a leader does not prove sound, becomes corrupt or does not listen to the people, the Clan Mothers have the power to strip him of his leadership. The chief of a clan can be removed at any time by a council of the women elders of that clan. The chief's sister has historically been responsible for nominating his successor. The clan mothers, the elder women of each clan, are highly respected.

The Iroquois have traditionally followed a matrilineal system, and hereditary leadership passes through the female line of descent, that is, from a mother to her children. The children of a traditional marriage belong to their mother's clan and gain their social status through hers. Her brothers are important teachers and mentors to the children, especially introducing boys to men's roles and societies. If a couple separates, the woman traditionally keeps the children. It is regarded as incest by the Iroquois to marry within one's matrilineal clan, but considered acceptable to marry someone from the same patrilineal clan.

Historically women have held the dwellings, horses and farmed land, and a woman's property before marriage has stayed in her possession without being mixed with that of her husband. The work of a woman's hands is hers to do with as she sees fit.

Historically, at marriage, a young couple lived in the longhouse of the wife's family (matrilocality). A woman choosing to divorce a shiftless or otherwise unsatisfactory husband is able to ask him to leave the dwelling and take his possessions with him.”

>> I’m always interested in Matriarchal societies because we used to have 2 female Sebetti rulers. So by reading about the Matriarchal societies worldwide I’m hoping to get a projection/mirroring of how the female Sebetti ruling system was.

“Spiritual beliefs

Like many cultures, the Iroquois' spiritual beliefs changed over time and varied across tribes. Generally, the Iroquois believed in numerous deities, including the Great Spirit, the Thunderer, and the Three Sisters (the spirits of beans, maize, and squash). The Great Spirit was thought to have created plants, animals, and humans to control "the forces of good in nature", and to guide ordinary people. Orenda was the Iroquoian name for the magical potence found in people and their environment. The Iroquois believed in the orenda, the spiritual force that flowed through all things, and believed if people were respectful of nature, then the orenda would be harnessed to bring about positive results. There were three types of spirits for the Iroquois: 1) Those living on the earth 2) Those living above the earth and 3) the highest level of spirits controlling the universe from high above with the highest of those beings known variously as the Great Spirit, the Great Creator or the Master of Life.”

>> We’ve already seen the Great Spirit. The Thunderer is obvious. I have no idea whom the 3 Sisters might be: it could be 3 persons with special abilities from any of the clans, as in maybe 3 warriors or 3 oracles or 3 Spiritual Healers etc. Orenda seem to be what we call the Holy Spirit or the Light.

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>>16654801

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The 3 types of Spirit mentioned by the Iroquois are interesting. We all agree what the first one means. But what does the other 2 mean:

Those living above the earth: does this mean there is something floating in space where these Spirits live? Sounds like it, doesn’t it? And this idea isn’t strange or new to us in this thread as we’ve encountered it many times before, mostly with Anu living UP somewhere and the floating mountain we read about where the Native American ThunderBirds dwell.

The last type of Spirit mention sounds like it’s our Heavenly Father. Read carefully what is said about Him: “the highest level of spirits controlling the universe from high above with the highest of those beings known variously as the Great Spirit, the Great Creator or the Master of Life.” From the sound of it, it looks like our Heavenly Father is in a place which is even higher or ABOVE the SKY or the mountain floating in the SKY where the King of kings used to live. When you think about what could be ABOVE the SKY…the only thing that comes to my mind is the Universe. I don’t know why, but this reminds me of the Qteam said something like “considering the vastness of the Universe”.

“Sources provide different stories about Iroquois creation beliefs. Brascoupé and Etmanskie focus on the first person to walk the earth, called the Skywoman or Aientsik. Aientsik's daughter Tekawerahkwa gave birth to twins, Tawiskaron, who created vicious animals and river rapids, while Okwiraseh created "all that is pure and beautiful". After a battle where Okwiraseh defeated Tawiskaron, Tawiskaron was confined to "the dark areas of the world", where he governed the night and destructive creatures. Other scholars present the "twins" as the Creator and his brother, Flint. The Creator was responsible for game animals, while Flint created predators and disease. Saraydar (1990) suggests the Iroquois do not see the twins as polar opposites but understood their relationship to be more complex, noting "Perfection is not to be found in gods or humans or the worlds they inhabit.”

>> There are 3 possible interpretations for this story:

1 – It might be referring to the Evil One when he was a good Sebetti and then when he turned evil. It might be referring to the same Sebetti ruler but in 2 of his aspects: one when he was good, and one when he turned evil.

2 – It might be referring to the Evil Couple, the twins.

3 – It might be pointing to the Evil One and the Crown Prince of Atlantis; as in the Sebetti ruler of the Serpent versus the Sebetti ruler of the ThunderBirds: One representing darkness and evil; while the other representing Light and good.

While this sentence: “After a battle where Okwiraseh defeated Tawiskaron, Tawiskaron was confined to "the dark areas of the world", where he governed the night and destructive creatures.” It’s talking about the ancient past, the night of the coup when the Evil One was defeated by the head of the ThunderBirds warriors and how he was cast “down” into eternal darkness. It resonates with what it is said happened to Satan when he “fell” from Heaven.

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