Since you didn't reply to a single point I made, I'm going to ignore most of what you said because it's obvious you don't want to have an honest debate. Your mind is made up, and I'm not going to try and change it, because really, I don't care.
I did read the information you referenced, btw. The first one is a series of anectotes without evidence, and nonexistent tube vids. The Arp stuff is very interesting, but all it posits is that assumptions about Quasars' redshifts and distances and ages are wrong and should be reexamined. Interesting, but not surprising.
If you're trying to prove that mainstream science hides things it finds inconvenient, I wholeheardedly agree with you. Evolutionists do this all the time. This doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is a lie. For the record, I never once endorsed "Einstienian" anything, nor the Big Bang. I admit there are many things we do not yet understand, and mainstream assumptions could be very wrong. Like i said before I DON'T JUST ACCEPT WHAT I AM FED by you or anyone else.
>Don't know why you started this thread. Doesn't prove/debunk a damn thing.
I created this thread because someone in the FE club claimed that pictures like pic related cannot be taken from the earth, and that the planets are 'stars' and 'fallen angels', and I knew I could prove him wrong. I made the videos above to show step by step the methodology for taking pictures like this. Clearly, I have shown that Jupiter is a real planet that looks generally how NASA et. al. say that it should. You still have not addressed that, you've just moved on to a different theory.
I do find it highly ironic that a FE believer will believe all the photographic evidence on the Halton Arp page without any knowledge of how those photos were taken and no sources cited. But I guess that's ok since it somewhat supports your argument, though I'd bet Arp would disagree with that.
I think we need to be very careful with an all-or-nothing approach. There's truths in the lies, and there's lies in the truths. We have to prune and weed to find the real, whole truth. I will say again though that I have never seen anything in my observations that has made me question what I was taught with respect to what I have observed. I don't have all the answers though, I'll be the first to admit that, which is why I'll keep observing.