Canada #72
Several Statements in Ray Epps First In-Person FBI Recording From March 2021 Calls Into Question Key Issues From Epps’ Testimony
by Brian Lupo Mar. 4, 2025
Part One
Ryan Samsel, a persecuted J6er who spent several years in prison, much of it in solitairy, is in need of surgeries resulting from abuses suffered at the hands of Bureau of Prison officers. His insurance has denied full coverage of these surgeries. If you would like to read about Samsel’s story and donate, click here.
The Gateway Pundit had obtained, exclusively, a recording of the first-known interview of James “Ray” Epps after the protest at the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021.
The Gateway Pundit’s Alicia Powe has previously reported on some of the discoveries from this recording in a three-part series on The Gateway Pundit (part 1, part 2 and part 3).
The interview was conducted at the office of John Blischak, Epps’ attorney, on March 3, 2021 by Agents Alexander Simms and Rob Kalinowski (sp?). It was a voluntary interview that followed his January 8th phone call to the FBI regarding his placement on the “Most Wanted” list at #16.
"We Need More People”
The first major discrepancy in Epps’ testimony is something The Gateway Pundit published exclusively after receiving a statement from Ryan Samsel’s co-defendant, James Grant once he was clear of the Department of Justice’s wrath.
Epps, during his interview with the FBI, said that he told Samsel, “That’s not why we’re here…don’t be doing that.” Grant, and Samsel (following the J6 pardons), confirmed that Epps said “We need more people.” In fact, it is evident on the YouTube video from that day.
Ironically, according to the New York Times, Ryan Samsel told the FBI in January 2021 that when Epps whispered in his ear shortly before pushing the barricades, “his entire words were ‘Relax, the cops are just doing their job.‘”
The New York Times wrote that they obtained a recording of this interview, however, they did not publish the recording and when asked to review it, they did not respond.
Samsel did acknowledge that he had an informal interview with the FBI on January 30th, 2021, in which they provided him with coffee and a fresh can of Copenhagen Mint, his chew of choice.
During that interview, according to Samsel, the FBI was trying to convince him to confess that Epps was the “voice of reason.” When Samsel asked what charges he was facing, the agents responded that it was up to him, but he could possibly face conspiracy to murder an officer.