Marc Caputo: With Epstein Files, Dan Bongino Is Learning Governing Is A Lot Harder Than Podcasting
Posted By Tim Hains Date July 7, 2025
Axios White House reporter Marc Caputo told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" spoke about that website's scoop that the FBI and DOJ have concluded that there never was an "Epstein client list" and the infamous sex offender really did kill himself inside federal prison.
MARC CAPUTO, AXIOS: We had another story in Axios that ran last night from my colleague Alex Isenstadt, where the Department of Justice has, in the Epstein case, decided, “We're not going to release all of the records related to that.” Oh, by the way, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. There is no client list, and that's that.
I think if there's one thing we learned from the JFK case, it's probably a good idea in these instances to never disclose. But the administration in this case has decided not to do that. However, in the JFK case, they are—and people who have been very critical of the CIA are saying at least John Ratcliffe, who's the head of the CIA, and Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, are taking this seriously.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: So, the reporting from Axios says that the DOJ is saying there is no evidence that convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein kept a list of high-profile clients. And yeah, talk about the complication of that for the DOJ and for others. There's been so much disinformation surrounding client lists, apparently, and all these other things that it's something that leaders in the FBI have obviously been trying to explain to the MAGA base, who don’t appear to want to hear this.
MARC CAPUTO: Well, they don't. Kash Patel—the Director of the FBI—and especially the Deputy Director, Assistant Director, Dan Bongino, he used to be a podcaster and was one of the largest proponents of the idea that there's an Epstein list, that this is a cover-up, that this reaches to the highest level. Then he winds up being the number two guy at the FBI, and now he's like, “Oh, well, I've looked at the evidence. All of that's not true.”
So of course, this branches two ways: either Bongino has been corrupted by the very conspiracy that he claimed exists, or the conspiracy really didn’t exist. And it turns out that doing your job as a sworn law enforcement officer in a government agency that is governing is a lot harder than podcasting. And at a certain point, the facts matter.
We don't have, obviously, all the access to all of the information. So we can't say, certainly. Jeffrey Epstein, who was a person of great interest and was incarcerated in a federal lockup, having committed suicide when he was under suicide watch, is very suspicious. However, the FBI has released what it says are the ten hours of video footage showing no one went into his cell. So from the evidence we have right now, it does look as if what DOJ is saying is the truth.
But once again, we don't have all the records. And what we've seen in the JFK case is—more transparency is probably better, not less.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/07/07/marc_caputo_with_epstein_files_dan_bongino_is_learning_governing_is_a_lot_harder_than_podcasting.html
Why would the FBI or whoever dropped the info, is releasing them to Axios, not a Trump liking media? Is this just a big head fake, why would Trump seemingly confirm that it was the FBI or Government releasing it, and why not release it to the public themselves. Something very shady about this.