Well, okay, so I was asked, what's up with ethanol?

One of the problems ethanol has had has been not having a level playing field all these years. Everyone screamed subsidies but then the oil companies have always had tax breaks and their own versions of subsidies. Ethanol has been called a smog producer, an unsustainable hoax and is the enemy of the UN (which to me screams it must be something good if the UN hates it) .

The whole growing corn for fuel to starve the masses… well we have so much food that we throw away many tons. For example, a farmer in Idaho grows 270,000 tons of potatoes but can only selll 90,000. What is he supposed to do with the other 180,000? Alcohol is the answer! How about hurricanes destroying the citrus crop in FLorida? Well, gotta find a use for those oranges on the ground.

The big thing we have to understand is there are MANY ways to grow crops for ethanol. Here again, I would point everyone to the feedstock section of David Blume's book Alcohol Can Be a Gas!. My favorite is cattails. Sugar does well in Brazil and they take care of the soil as well. Monocropping is not good in the long run so corn should be rotated (and not with soy, ugh!) with higher yield crops. Corn is mostly grown for chickens and cows which as we know, is bad for the cows.

Nice thing about ethanol is it kills off all the gmo shit in the corn when processed for ethanol. Burn it, don't eat it. That's a start. What else? How do I respond to a specific numbered post?

>>3415204

Thanks, Anon.

>>3415236

Surely it is better to produce the fuel in a field close to where it will be needed & cut out some of the massive transport costs.

Yes, that is correct. Growing Corn in Iowa and shipping it to a plant in California is madness. It was tried and did not work. Ethanol processing plants can be put up and down central California to process waste crops and then use theethanol to run equipment. A plant could be put in every county using the sugar or starch from waste produced there. Sustainable local fuel.

>>3415274

This is an inaccurate myth. It's about work not energy. I don't think it mentions that the car runs cleaner and lasts longer, which is why the auto industry is not too fond of it. Blume explains the work versus energy myth well in his book.

>>3415321

>>3415321

Animals shouldn't be eating that GMO shit either.

I'll throw this in from blume's website.

The byproducts of alcohol production are clean, instead of being oil refinery waste, and are worth more than the alcohol itself. In fact, they can make petrochemical fertilizers and herbicides obsolete. The alcohol production process concentrates and makes more digestible all protein and non-starch nutrients in the crop. It’s so nutritious that when used as animal feed, it produces more meat or milk than the corn it comes from. That’s right, fermentation of corn increases the food supply and lowers the cost of food.

>>3415414

Small engines do just fine on ethanol. Better to use 95 percent ethanol though. The gumming up is caused by the dirty gas.

>>3415503

Again, these are myths. THe problem is the gas in the gas line. There are no rubber compounds in cars now and you can simply replace the pieces that cause trouble. Here is the factsheet,.

http://permaculture.com/node/518

>>3415536

Can be done. Need incentive.

>>3415565

Correct.

>>3415583

People who run their boats on alcohol after they have cleaned out the gunk diesel has caused are much happier with alcohol. Skip the e15 gas here and go straight to E98. Same with small engines.

>>3415604

Pretty much all gasoline is shit. That is the main problem here. Ethanol burns clean. Gas is garbage. Rockefeller used to throw it into the rivers before he figured out, like they did with flouride that there could be another use for it. Prohibition came along with help from Rockefeller and suddenly no one could make alcohol for vehicles any more…..

>>3415657

Yeah and oil and gas are not subsidized in any way. Right.

>>3415679

The cars built to run on E85 have no difference to their engines and fuel lines than those allegedly NOT able to run on e85. My friends have been to Ford and they just put a yellow cap on the gas tank and that's the only difference.

>>3415809

THere goes that damn gasoline messing up your carburetor….