I have lurked for the last 4 ET boards and am always surprised at the wasted space due to the Greer fight.

I am personally a CE-5 believer through both experience and theory. Having established that, I believe the CE-5 theory is only clouded by the constant reference to Greer and is frankly strong enough to stand without him. This being a QResearch Board, anyone with so many black hat connections must be recused and his testimony cut out of the dialog. If it weren't a QResearch Board, bring it on.

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The problem with this area of research is that ETs (good or bad) are clearly NOT going to float down and walk up to a dude with a camcorder or laser and say "here is our whole deal, did you get it all on tape?" If that was the way it was going to go down, it already would have happened by now. So what could it be? Clearly there are good and bad entities. What exactly prevents either from doing whatever they pleased with us? The very fact that most of the world population just lives normal lives is evidence that our expected ways of contact are not theirs (good or bad).

My beliefs are that this entire thing (contact/ET question) is a test of spiritual capacity. I think that is the very reason they don't just drop in and explain their whole deal. I don't think they are necessarily angels and demons but I think the same rule applies. "Try the spirits" is the only way to know. Do I risk exposure to darkness/genuine demonic control with CE-5? Absolutely. If you are afraid, don't do it. No one is twisting your arm. For me personally, I have experienced something I can't ignore. I have been to a place that felt like pure ecstasy and the only way I can describe it is 'far realer than reality.' I just thought I was going crazy because the idea of contact never entered my mind.

Now, as a pragmatist I must recognize the very real option that it could very arguably have just been easily manipulated chemicals/hormones in my own body, i.e. excess natural DMT production from my pineal gland or something similar. Is that a terrifying thought? Absolutely. But I try and live the spirit of my forebears, vikings and American patriots. I would rather trudge alone into the darkness than cower beside the light indefinitely. If there is powerful evil, there must be powerful good. Evidence or guarantees of safety will never appear - hence a leap of faith. If I am lost/murdered/possessed in the process, I believe that if great darkness can enter me, so can great light. There can be no trial of faith with safety nets. Likewise with this topic, there is no objective way to achieve 'proof.' Any such proof is subjective. Direct experiential personal knowledge may be the only way 'they' are willing to communicate. Absent this, the only useful thing to do would be to gather stories from unrelated parties with ET experiences and compare for correlation.

Three methods come quickly to mind: 1- those who just start remembering one day (like the monarch victims sometimes do), 2- those who are regressed/hypnotized to remember any direct contact, 3- those who 'channel' ETs.

This PDF:

http://www.llresearch.org/library/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf/secrets_of_the_ufo.pdf

"Secrets of the UFO" has examples from I think all 3 camps. It was written in the 70s.

The attached video with Dolores Cannon is hypnosis based. To me this is the most useful, barring direct experience or the lucky guy with the camcorder obviously. For those not wanting to watch it, she is a lifelong therapist using hypnosis as treatment. Early in her career, she noticed that when she got many of her patients 'deep enough' they all said very similar things about ETs. Far too similar to be random. Both she and the PDF discuss some of the common message.

Both of these quick sources are outside of Greer. There are many more. I have personally chosen to ignore Greer, even if he has valuable info, due to the connection with so many black hats. I must do the same with ANY OTHER SOURCES so connected. But this has not slowed me down in the least. There is a ton of CE-5 data out there to be tested personally. I have read some of the channeled info and found it very enlightening as well. Some stuff is crap. Judgment must be used.

I hope any of this is useful to someone.