Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:06 a.m. No.5939026   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>9216

>>5938992

"'actual malice'–that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not."

 

So, in addition to "reckless disregard," if the speaker or writer KNEW the defamatory statement against a public figure was false (and not parody), they are liable.

 

Even though the libel against Trump is huge, the damages there are a small fraction of the total damage this hoax has done. Look at the ruined institutional reputation, public trust is PROPERLY withheld, unnecessary foreign policy headwind.

 

Estimated half a billion dollars to lawyers from people targeted by Mueller. Innocent people who were not personally libeled, but were targeted by the DOJ (via Mueller) because they had some association with Trump.

 

US intelligence and criminal justice systems were turned against the US public. "Russian collusion" is a fart in the wind compared with the damage done by the US government. The "fine people" in the FBI, CIA, DOJ, State Department (and the press), and some in the Courts did "some really bad things."

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:19 a.m. No.5939072   🗄️.is 🔗kun

"Two years wasted" depends on your point of view. This has been a two or three year assault AGAINST THE PUBLIC by agents and institutions of the US government, and some foreign governments.

 

It was a two year offensive by Mueller, Comey, et al. From their point of view, maybe "wasted time" because Trump has not been mortally wounded or impeached.

 

The offensive is not over yet. The DEMs are carrying it on with the help of the press.

 

IMO, even though Trump and the US have been on the receiving side for the past few years, the time has not been wasted. Wish it would have gone quicker but one of the tools the anti-Trump forces have is secrecy and "ongoing investigation," and that tool was used with skill. But what has transpired just lit up how dishonest the press and government are. Much better to have those facts "transparent." It will make a fair number of people more wise and less trusting - both are good outcomes.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:22 a.m. No.5939086   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939068

Not a secret. Keep your enemies closer. They thought he was their friend. He was always his own man, and he kept his deepest thoughts to himself.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:29 a.m. No.5939112   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939056

Same here. He (an no doubt others with the means and wherewithal to get 'er done) will not settle for transparency and some sort of half-baked apology. And certainly will push off calls to "move on," even when those calls are insults such as he is seeking revenge.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:32 a.m. No.5939130   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>9162

>>5939098

I flip back and forth on this. The FEDs have better things to go after. Let this stinker stick to the Cook County crooks, and let it serve as a shining example of the FACT that the US operates two tier justice. The connected ARE treated differently, and everybody knows it. The apologists beclown themselves by insisting justice is blind. It never was, and it never will be.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:44 a.m. No.5939190   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>9208 >>9229 >>9246

>>5939162

He's the tip of the iceberg of crooks walked free because they are connected crooks. Making a public show of setting this one right will fool many people into thinking just has suddenly become even.

 

Count up the hate hoaxers. Hundreds of them. Most aren't even charged. sort of like school bomb threats. If all of them were prosecuted, the justice system wouldn't have time for anything else. So one out of 500 or so is made example.

 

Okay - I just convinced myself that Smollett might as well be that 1 in 500 example. He draws in Harris and Obama.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:50 a.m. No.5939225   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939166

Non sequitur.

Mexico was asked to help (and it is, but not as much as it should), with the result being an emergency on our mutual border. Trump is explaining justification for closing the border. Both sides have skin in keeping the border open.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:53 a.m. No.5939238   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>9242 >>9284

>>5939222

Have you read the US constitution? Yeah, sure, there is some nuance in what I going to cite from it, but the below is obviously not "blanket immunity."

 

"They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:54 a.m. No.5939244   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939237

Congresspeople are not impeached. They can be removed by the body they are in, and the body has plenary power in that regard, but the mechanism for removal is not impeachment and trial.

 

The criminal justice system is independent of Congress power to regulate the membership of its own bodies.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 3:59 a.m. No.5939265   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939246

The two tier system I see is not a remark about legal technicalities - sometimes the technicalities should rule, sometimes they are abused. I am thinking of rank corruption, favor to the privileged and bought "justice."

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 4:04 a.m. No.5939291   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939242

A few points, since you don't seem to apply what you can read.

The privilege is against ARREST, not against being charged.

That privilege does not apply when the charge is a felony, etc.

The privilege attaches to the ATTENDANCE, and in coming and going to ATTENDANCE. Technically has nothing to do with whether the body is in session, although the rules dictate that members are supposed to be in attendance while the body is in session, so the two (attendance and in session) look near identical.

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 4:13 a.m. No.5939344   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939284

 

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS21900.pdf

 

The Protection of Classified Information:

The Legal Framework

 

Jennifer K. Elsea

Legislative Attorney May 18, 2017

 

Congressional Research Service

7-5700

RS21900

Anonymous ID: 82f6eb March 28, 2019, 4:16 a.m. No.5939360   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5939333

 

See the CRS publication. Jr's congressional testimony is not classified under the rubric of 18 USC 798 or other laws that criminalize the disclosure of information.

 

Not saying there are no penalties. Just that the penaiites are not part of 18 USC or 50 USC, or IRS statutes, etc.