Anonymous ID: efc4c4 March 9, 2020, 12:25 p.m. No.8359610   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9654 >>9707

>>8359555

>The first plan would have resulted in nothing but Adam and Eve living an animal existence as zoo creatures in the Garden of Eden.

 

This is not the teaching of the Church. The Church teaches that God had a plan and if Adam and Eve trusted Him, they would have been eventually provided the fruit. So not exactly orthodox to the best of my knowledge.

 

>The second plan allowed them to realize sex, reproduction, etc.

 

Literally the first commandment God gave was to be fruitful and multiply. Have 10 kids. That's the goal. Would He have done that if they remained in the garden? I think so. But again, these are counterfactuals trying to understand an all-knowing all-powerful all-good God. Not something I think any human is prepared to psychologize fully.

Anonymous ID: efc4c4 March 9, 2020, 12:30 p.m. No.8359680   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9708

>>8359654

>But then again, if we're not given all the information then Free Will is still false.

 

But we are given all the information? I don't understand your point?

 

>Hey, door number 1 has puppies to play with. Door number 2 has venemous snakes.

 

>Oh, you choose door #1? HA! The puppies are rabid and extremely contagious DUMBASS!!!

 

>You freely chose door #1, right?

 

I hope so? Some have freely chosen door #1 and others have freely chosen door #2? I don't get your problem or criticism.

Anonymous ID: efc4c4 March 9, 2020, 12:37 p.m. No.8359777   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9799 >>9816 >>9828

>>8359707

>God has plans that do not come into fruition.

Depends on how you mean this exactly. Jonah and the whale show that anything God needs(? for lack of a better word?) to happen will happen.

 

That being said, I agree with the rest of what you said.

 

>We are? Then what's the whole plan?

 

The whole plan is that you put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and through him have eternal life. Alternatively you rebel against God, get consumed by demons, and die.

 

Pretty straightforward.

 

>You don't understand my analogy? You freely chose door #1 thinking it was puppies (your perception of puppies), but you were denied the rest of the story - that the puppies were rabid and contagious.

>DID you freely choose door #1? Would you have if you knew the whole story?

 

Again I have no idea how you think that makes sense. You're calling God a liar, but God has said He's not a liar.

 

And let's just go with it. Say God is a liar. Then you're a muslim.

 

But you've provided no reason to believe God is a liar. So I find your analogyโ€ฆ lacking.

 

You have to prove God is not the God of Christianity, but of islam. But you've not done that at all, so I just reject your analogy as baseless.

Anonymous ID: efc4c4 March 9, 2020, 12:41 p.m. No.8359825   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9881 >>0309

>>8359799

You don't know anything about Islam.

 

https://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm

 

>Allah โ€“ The Greatest Deceiver of them All

 

That's muslim doctrine. Which is why it's incompatible with the west and Christianity.

 

The truth is only divisive to Satan.

 

>>8359816

Sorry I was responding to someone else. You're right.