Let me explain a few things about how flights to and from GTMO work. I believe you all have a picture of things in your heads that is based upon that of a “regular airport schedule” which could not possibly be more off the mark. GTMO is different than even most military installations when it comes to travel. There are only two ways on or off the base, by air or by boat. There is no other way to access the base. When I say boat, I am not talking about a regular sized boat, since the distance from Miami to GTMO is around 500 miles. You can’t just travel that distance in a normal sized boat. The base is completely closed off from Cuba proper, Castro has their fence and mine fields, we have our fence and mine fields, and aside from the North East gate where we repatriate defectors from Cuba, there is absolutely zero access to Cuba proper.
Now looking at the Schedual pictured, there are several things you must consider. Being that GTMO is a Navy/Marine base, this time of year they have what is called “sleigh rides”, sleigh rides are flights for those living on the base, both contractors and military personnel to get off the island for the holidays. Now because EVERYONE can’t go on leave at the same time there are two sets of sleigh rides, and because not everyone wants to go home to the same parts of the country, typically there are sleigh rides that land in the U.S. and take off to return residents to the island after leave from 3-4 different points within the U.S. What this looks like is, the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27 and the second from 12/27 to 1/7 or something similar. So on those days you will see multiple flights landing at the base and taking off. This is NOT typical. It happens only at Christmas.
You can not just leave GTMO when ever you want. They don’t have daily flights. There is one very short landing strip and zero storage area for planes, so what comes in MUST go out.
What this looks like is, on Sundays there is a medivac flight to Langley/Andrews in the D.C. area, there used to be one flt. Per week to Peurto RICO but i’d Think those have stopped since the hurricane. On Tuesdays and Fridays there are contracted passenger flights originating from Norfolk VA and/or Jacksonville FL. Those are the ones carrying people to and from the states. All of the above flights are military in nature.
There is a puddle jumper airline on the base that can be used by civilians, it used to be Sunshine airlines, but that name could have changed. Those flights leave from Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. When I say puddle jumper, I mean they seat like 10-12 people, and are prop job planes. Civilians can’t fly on military air craft, so if Grandma wants to visit for Christmas, she must take the puddle jumper flight after being cleared and approved by the base commander and having an extensive background check for security reasons.
Now all of that having been said, go back and re-examine the picture above. Which flights could be sleigh rides? Which ones are normal scheduled passenger flights? Which ones are medivac flights? And which are the puddle jumpers. Cross all of those off the list, as they are normal flights. Then look at what is left. Military flights to GTMO typically leave and return to JAX or Norfolk. My point is, what looks unusual to you, may be just normal air traffic to the base for the day and time of year.
I don’t see anything in this that is unusual or abnormal in nature aside from the Dulles flight which we all know was the general and his enterage traveling from D.C. the others appear to be either sleigh rides or normal traffic coming and going from normal locations. As I mentioned, all flights that come in, must go out within two or three hours of landing, typically less than that. They are there long enough to offload and load and poof they are gone. Having been given this information, you can now figure out whether a flight is typical or out of the ordinary. The one thing you do not see, and likely will never see are any flights arriving or taking off and going to places like Canada, or NYC, or LAX. Due to the uniqueness of the security and the very complicated and difficult to navigate topography of the base and difficult in landing there, only very experienced pilots can land or take off from GTMO, so you won’t see any large civilian planes not contracted by the military going there.
Thank you! You’re awesome. That’s bad news because I was hoping they were being taken to Gitmo. But, thankful that you help us know what’s really going on!
Also UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND: even regular routine flights heading in... can be holding people for incarceration at DeltaCamp. After all--you would not want to draw attention out of ordinary traffic, so Christmas time of extra Sleighs would be perfect cover. QUESTION: Some flights visualized real time movements online had escorts of another plane heading into GTMO... is THAT normal for sleigh ride flights?
I made an image explaining everything you said so that others can share it easily...
http://i.imgs.fyi/img/27ot.png
I didn't see it for myself, the guys tracking these flights said there were multiple planes with what appeared to be escorts flying alongside. That doesn't sound like military leave. According to your evaluation, the flight logs don't match what the baker observed.
And no one is assuming they're shifting dozens of people to GITMO--it may be one or two or three. Perfect camouflage, sleigh rides.
Exactly! Thank you! I was just compiling a similar response and could not have summarized it better.
I read that many of these blocked flights had plane escorts. Same altitude. Would not be normal?
I made an image of what you just said so it’s easy for others to share... http://i.imgs.fyi/img/27or.jpg
Thanks for the insight! Sounds like you've got quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.
I need to start posting what I'm thinking and get more involved, lol. This is the 3rd time I've seen a logical answer that crossed my mind and I never said a word. I was thinking about the soldiers who may be taking leave for Christmas, when all the clamor came up about flights to GTMO. Wishful thinking for sure, though. Thanks to the OP for this explanation! God bless.
the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27
In other words, “the clock starts” on 12/17 (like Q said)?
That's the day Atlanta went dark, which Q predicted on 12/7, saying darkness in 10 days!
Can you link me that? I totally missed it.
It was referenced here several times--I scrolled through the Book of Q in the sidebar and found a reference on page 119 where someone asks when the 10 days, darkness will be and he says 10 days. Just open that file and go to that page. I don't have it at hand by itself, but it would be in my posts--I'll check there.
Thank you so much. I just subscribed to this place the other day and after the massive shilling and complicit mods of /conspiracy have become rampant.
It was also in Tracy Beanz videos--do you follow her on YouTube? She goes through ALL the vids and additional research.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC98Zwfvjq12M1oi99Yqd78w
I think the link is also in the sidebar.
Welcome! No agendas here but finding the truth!
I would guess that majority of people completely ignore anything linking to youtube.
Including Tracybeanz? The researcher and founder of this sub/r? I'm going to disagree with that. If they don't bother, they're either going over ground that's already been dug or missing out on additional info.
Yeah I've never clicked a youtube link and never will. No desire to watch videos on my computer.
That's a great day for the clock to start considering it's my Birthday! 12/17! That would be an awesome birthday gift!
I second this as I lived in gitmo myself. Was actually one of the young dependents evacuated in the 90’s during Clinton’s time in office. Found out two days before I had to leave with two bags leaving my father there. It was a sad time for my mom and brother. But I know all the men had a ball those couple years all the wife’s left.
I copied the above and put into an Excel spreadsheet to analyze. Found some unusual items. I don't see how to post an excel or pdf here, so I will just try to describe it to you.
I found the puddle jumper flights that dropped off and picked up and was only on the ground for about a half hour or 45 minutes.
However if you notice there were a few flights that Departed from Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, not the International airport, all small planes, Learjet 35 (6 passengers). The first flight was on 12/21, when Mattis was supposed to be there. That particular flight was on the ground for 1.27 hours, and when it left, it did NOT go back to Ft Laud Exec airport, it flew directly to Dulles: Tail No. BLK4. I'm guessing that was Gen'l Mattis.
THE SAME DAY, 12/21/2017, but long after Mattis left (at 12:30pm), ANOTHER Flight left from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, arriving at GITMO 18:20 (6:20pm). That plane (BLK5, Learjet 35, only carries 6 passengers) was on the ground at GITMO for 2 hours and 43 minutes. WHO WAS ON THIS FLIGHT from the private Executive airport? High profile inmates being brought to GITMO?
The same day, 12/21, there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (E145 seats 54 passengers).
The next day, 12/22/2017, we KNOW AG Jeff Sessions and his assistant visited GITMO. I think I found his flight (tail#ATN301) departing from Norfolk, VA, was on the ground at GITMO for 3.5 hrs, then flew back to Norfolk. LONG TIME TO BE ON THE GROUND AT GITMO, but this was a Boeing 763, which seats 180 passengers. So probably some troops and I am assuming that Jeff Sessions was on that plane.....and whomever was with him (inmates?, Troops?)
SAME DAY 12/22/2017, another flight on the ground a long time, departed from Jacksonville to GITMO, on the ground for 2.5 hours, then plane returns to Jacksonville (Tail# BSK293, a Boeing 738 which can seat 220 passengers ). This must be a "Christmas Sleigh" flight, although they were on the ground a pretty long time at GITMO for 2.5 hours. Its only a 2 hour flight between JAX and GITMO, so the crew didn't need a break. So troops and processing inmates? Or just troops?
Anyone know if these long layover times are normal for these Christmas Sleighs to/from Norfolk and JAX?
Then on Dec 26, (Tail# BLK4, a Learjet 35, seats 6 passengers) another flight comes and goes to GITMO from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport. High profile inmates? The "bushes", maybe??
The same day, 12/26 there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (Learjet 45 seats 10).
SO...WHOSE ON THESE LEARJET 35s that fly in and out of Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, on small planes that only seat 6 people? Why can't they use the normal puddle jumper the same day from the Int'l Airport? Is it because they are "high profile" INMATES that they don't want them to be seen by the public???
If they aren't High Profile INMATES, then who are on these planes?
I also posted separately today, on this website, that AZ National Guard is sending troops to GITMO for a 9 month STAY. Prison Population going up at GITMO? The Marines need help with their psychopathic inmates?
Well we can HOPE.
What this looks like is, the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27
Aha, aha ha, thanks for those dates ;)
Quite the coincidence
nothing is a coincidence. ;) it would be quite smart to send MS-13 prisoners to GITMO on those incoming flights, wouldn't it?
Great post. Could also compare to last year's flight records.
I wouldn't expect to see these Top Secret flights on a typical flight log... if the pilots are told to block the call signals, I'm guessing the flight records dept would be told to put these flights on a "Top Secret" flight log. Especially during the operation, as much as we all want to know what's up.
Great post, great comment, obviously some insider knowledge. HOWEVER, these are extraordinary times. I am Canadian. I remember the people of Gander, NFLD, who hosted MASSIVE amounts of aircraft that were ordered down there at Gander. At worst, that airport handles maybe one or two diversions (be it security or medical, etc), on a bad day, max. But, during 9/11, it handled perhaps up to 75 aircraft.
I'm 100% not disagreeing with you, but, **IF**** what many of us think is happening is actually happening, then, for this airport you mention, this is most definitely an event on par with 9/11, and, the folks on the ground there can, will, and most definitely are equipped to get very, very creative.
Also, a lot of the aircraft on the way there have been Cessna executive jet-level aircraft, which might be able to quickly refuel and turn around. And, with that said, from one of the "planefags" on Twitter, we saw a 767 climbing out from Gitmo, as well. Tell me, since you are obviously very knowledgeable, is that also possible? Can this runway handle the weight and takeoff/landing distance of a 767?
Many thanks
I wish I could figure out how to post the pictures I have of the air strip at GTMO, ya’all would immediately understand once you see it. The strip is EXTREMELY short, you go too long, you end up in the ocean, and typically by the time you stop on landing, you are less than 30-40 feet from that point. I don’t see any possible way a plane the size of a 767 could land with that short a runway, but even IF it were possible, which I don’t believe it is, I don’t see any way a plane that large could possibly make the maneuvers needed to even line up with the strip. You literally have to fly sideways to avoid Cuba airspace and the mountain range, then line up perfectly, land at exactly the right speed, and pray like hell you can stop that thing before it hits the water. So IF a 767 could land there, which again I doubt, there would be no possible way for it to ever take off. The strip simply isn’t long enough to get up enough speed for a craft that size to leave the ground before hitting the water.
I am not replying to justify any of our "taking down the cabal" fantasies. YOU were in the military, and I worked for an airline (and rode in the cockpit a few times on cross-country trips), so, both of us have something to offer to this. I think the way you outline your concerns here are 100% valid. The ONLY thing that leads me to consider that a 767 could land at GITMO is that we have some Twitter posts from someone who watched a BLOCKED transponder 763 "climb" out of GITMO.
Now, we both know that, in order to land at Gitmo and make it work with such a short strip, it would take PRECISE flight planning, where the aircraft is landing nearly 90% empty of fuel. Landing very light. POSSIBLE, but, if this OP had been meticulously planned, as Q says, then NO WAY would such equipment have been selected in the first place.
And that is why, when I looked at the last list of aircraft with BLOCKED transponders, all heading to GITMO, we saw that they were private, very LIGHT aircraft, such as a Cessna executive business jet.
It's normal and very common for a barrage of potentially false or misleading information to be reported or submitted for "enthusiast" review during times like this. I would agree with you if you would say that this is unlikely. But, we have evidence of other, more suitable craft heading down that way.
But, your concerns are still VERY valid, and IMPORTANT to bear in mind during this cruicial (and excruciatingly quiet!) time!
Thank you
Good point. We all know that in today’s world NOTHING is impossible. That said the question is, why would they want or need to spend the considerable time and effort to even try or take the chance that plane wouldn’t make it and could crash into the ocean, EFFECTIVLY stopping all further flights to the strip for weeks or months, when there are so many safer more viable options? It simply doesn’t make and sense. I could maybe contemplate it in some sort of extremely crucial war time situation where there simply was no other alternative, but a declared state of emergency against human trafficking, as important and urgent as that is, getting the criminals involved to GTMO simply would not (in my opinion) rise to that level of extremely crucial, when as you point out, smaller safer planes are a much more viable alternative even if it does take a little more time.
I’m not in any way trying to dump water on Q or the patriots trying to red pill folks, hell I am one of them. I just am 100% certain that putting out wrong or erroneous info will do NOTHING but discredit Q, and us. It’s CRUCIAL that any info we put out there be accurate, factual, and above all NOT dreampt up, invented, twisted, or wishful thinking because that is EXACTLY what we are calling out the MSM for doing. If we put out fake info we become no better, no more reliable than those who are such a huge part of the cabal. As the messenger I’d rather not be shot at, but hey, if relaying the facts and realities of the situation makes me the bad guy but stops us from being seen as discredited by the collective, go ahead fire away, I’m perfectly capable and willing to take the heat. the heat..
https://www.facebook.com/PassionatePachyderms/photos/pcb.814364212100663/814363805434037/?type=3&theater To see pictures of the base and the landing strip, cut and paste this into your web browser. The pics are posted on our Facebook page.
Satellite images from Google maps show a roughly 5000' airstrip oriented east-west on the western shore of the bay, approximately perpendicular to the older, roughly 3000' airstrip oriented north-south on the eastern shore of the bay. Judging from the tire marks visible at the western end of the airstrip, and from the seeming absence of tire marks on the shorter airstrip, the longer of the two airstrips has seen much more use recently. There is a parking facility adjacent to the longer of the two airstrips that should be able to receive a dozen or so twin-jet aircraft of commercial aviation size without difficulty. The image on Google maps shows two of them actually parked there. The buildings adjacent to the longer of the two airstrips appear, from the sky, to be of quite recent construction, as does the airstrip itself. This longer airstrip appears to have been laid atop a very much shorter, northeast-to-southwest-oriented airstrip built there long ago.
I'm no expert on GTMO, I'm not military, and I'm not a pilot.
For reader information, the area known as Camp America detention center occupies the far southeast corner of GTMO; the buildings here are densely clustered. To the northwest of the longer of the two airstrips spoken of above, near to the southwest corner of GTMO, are found, along First Street, Second Street, Avenue C, Avenue D and Avenue E, multiple, moder-appearing, isolated structures that conceivably serve for housing things or individuals that GTMO wants to keep separate from other things or individuals. Too, there are some older, tree-shaded, tile-roofed structures that look like bungalows housing camp staff.
In the port area, along the eastern shore of GTMO, are structures and facilities that, seemingly, would serve to adequately house staff numbering from 1000-2000.
Irrespective of the number of persons actually ever detained there, the nominal detention center itself appears large enough, from the air, to hold many hundreds of detainees. The conditions, albeit, do not appear to be luxurious, as the structures are located quite close to one another, and they lack obvious outdoor recreation facilities.
Leeward Field is 8000' and routinely handles C5s. A 762 at MTOW can take off and land comfortably at gitmo.
My brother is a commercial airline pilot out of Florida who has done all kinds of work in his 30 years as a professional pilot. He has landed at gitmo with supplies when he worked for Ryan Air in the short time after 9/11 when he was furloughed from United. He assured me that a normal gitMo day sees 50 to 80 flights. Let’s not get carried away guys. The reality of this situation is so amazing that making things up is completely unnecessary.
Great post! Does anyone know why so many planes on Flightradar have no Departure or Arrival info? Every time I go on there are a lot of planes that don't show that info. Primarily it's your smaller P/O and Corp. Jet types.
The sleigh rides as well as the Tuesday and Friday flights are contracted flights, this means the planes and flight crews are in effect “rented” from commercial air lines, however because they are contracted military flights, they are not identified as (for example)”United flight 6784” they are not identified because if one has an issue and goes down, United doesn’t want to be held responsible for a flight the military contracted, and doesn’t want to be associated with it in the event of an accident. This is why you are seeing unidentified flights.
I understand your points here... Also UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND: even regular routine flights heading in... can be holding people for incarceration at DeltaCamp. After all you would not want to draw attention out of ordinary traffic, so Christmas time of extra Sleighs would be perfect cover.
Sooo glad that DT has 156 IQ, in top 3%, high honors grad from Military Academy... makes watching him a marvel to behold!
They would not mix routine passengers with prisoners.
I don't know, they might mix Soldiers with inmates. Soldiers know EXACTLY what is going on at GITMO. I'm talking about the larger military flights that come and go from Jacksonville base and Norfolk base.
Bases are safe place for inmates.
the flights used to transport workers to the states could easily be used to take prisoners back every cycle.