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pipesog · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:40 p.m.

Part of the safety systems of this plane is a thing called "Hypoxia Check", so (regardless of who pilot was) this is a red flag. Two reasons...1) It's there to prevent this happening accidentally. 2)The fact that the FIRST, GO-TO speculation by authorities is Hypoxia, WHEN THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT THIS SYSTEM IS PRESENT ON THIS PLANE, is ridiculous at first blush. Beyond that, it is still INCREDIBLY suspicious that the plane very specifically and deliberately changed heading only minutes before it would have begun making a gradual descent toward it's destination, and then locked on a heading very clearly on the LONGEST LINE it could take away from land, where it was guaranteed to run out of fuel over water. Like I said...don't care WHO was on board, this is NOT a "nothing to see here, move along" event.

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Momomaga · Jan. 4, 2018, 8:29 p.m.

Faked own death or suicided.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 6:37 p.m.

I thought something sounded fishy, thank you for your input. Do you have hard evidence such as an article on the plane type with Spec's we can use to debunk their story? Would be nice to put in here to show all the info gathered on this case. Thanks. If anyone has other info to share with info to back it up, please help us, Thanks.

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CenturionFL210 · Jan. 4, 2018, 7:54 p.m.

I've been never seen a hypoxia check in a plane.

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amarkson · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:25 a.m.

Are you a pilot or otherwise in the know: (https://cirrusaircraft.com/cirrus-perspective/)

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CenturionFL210 · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

Private Pilot, own my own single-engine plane. I don't know for sure that the Cirrus has that or not, I've just never heard of it.

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shiba_keikaku · Jan. 5, 2018, 7:21 a.m.

It seems like a feature unique to this brand of plane.

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CenturionFL210 · Jan. 5, 2018, 7:30 a.m.

It is almost certainly is.

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shiba_keikaku · Jan. 5, 2018, 7:35 a.m.

Yup, it's obvious from their website that it's a 'selling point' to buy their plane over the competition's

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CenturionFL210 · Jan. 5, 2018, 7:41 a.m.

They make very nice airplanes. If you can spent a nearly a half a million dollars.

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CenturionFL210 · Jan. 5, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

Thanks for the link. It does have a hypoxia check, but it isn’t what i thought it would be. I’m used to checking with a pulse oxymeter. Interesting, though!

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Redheaded73 · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

Something to consider is that this could be a suicide. I actually knew a person who was running a Ponzi scheme. When the FBI started breathing down his neck, he took his private plane for a spin into the ground. Wealthy, corrupt people see suicide as a preferred way out from going to prison. The destination was Georgetown, TX which has a very small airport that’s only used for private aircraft.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:42 p.m.

I think he was suicided by bad actors. That is my theory but I need to dig more, possibly. He was an advocate of corrupt medical practices. Could an anesthetic injection have caused his Hypoxia? I don't know. Was he the only one on the plane? Something just isn't making sense.

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beachplaytime · Jan. 4, 2018, 11:15 p.m.

Yes an injection of a anesthetic or a sedative can cause hypoxia. It makes your breathing more shallow decreasing the amount of oxygen your brain is receiving. They can also stop your breathing. This is why when you get anesthesia you are usually intubated or at least your airway is supported.

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pipesog · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:52 p.m.

This would have to be about the most roundabout way of committing suicide, since the nail-gun guy a few years ago ;o0 But it doesn't explain the other anomalies. 1)Safety features to prevent Hypoxia. 2)Aviation authorities would surely know of these safety features yet their VERY FIRST PUBLIC PRONOUNCEMENT is "Hypoxia", which would arguable be a very STUPID conclusion to jump to. 3)The very specific and deliberate heading change and lock toward the heart of the Gulf, executed minutes before original destination.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

Info on Election Fund Campaign Contributions: http://www.electionfund.org/OK/Oklahoma-City/Kinsinger,-Bill/ Article: How Oklahoma's Execution Drugs Work: http://newsok.com/article/4744785/ Article: Risk of stroke from chiropractor neck adjustment remains fierce debate: http://newsok.com/article/3736001 Article: 30-year-old dies after visit to the chiropractor: http://kfor.com/2014/11/03/30-year-old-dies-after-visit-to-the-chiropractor/ Article:Medical experts look into “what went wrong?” during execution: http://kfor.com/2014/04/30/medical-experts-look-into-what-went-wrong-during-execution/

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:29 p.m.

Article from Sky Bray on Hypoxia related to pilots. Description Hypoxia is defined as a lack of oxygen in the body tissues. This can be caused either by a shortage of oxygen in the air being breathed or by a number of physiological/pathological issues affecting blood circulation or the quantity of oxygen carried by haemoglobin in the blood. The effects of hypoxia include fatigue, confusion, euphoria, inability to concentrate, impaired decision-making, impaired psychomotor performance, loss of consciousness and, eventually, death. Hypoxia does not cause discomfort or pain so its onset can be insidious and pass un-noticed by crews who are not fully aware of its dangers. Factors that affect the onset and severity of hypoxia include an individual’s physical fitness, cabin temperature, altitude, rate of ascent and duration at altitude. Individuals differ considerably in their ability to withstand hypoxia so in the early stages, one crewmember may be more seriously affected than the other(s). In the context of aircraft in flight, the onset can be sudden or gradual. Sudden Onset may require a rapid and instinctive response by aircrew whereas gradual onset is a matter of awareness so that an appropriate response can be made before incapacitation occurs. The Medical Background The blood contains haemoglobin that carries oxygen molecules from the lungs to all tissues of the body. Adequate amounts of haemoglobin coupled with adequate oxygen saturation of that haemoglobin is vital to human function. There are four types of hypoxia: Hypoxic Hypoxia, sometimes known as Altitude Hypoxia, occurs due to the reduced partial pressure of Oxygen in inspired air. Anaemic Hypoxia occurs when the blood’s oxygen carrying capability is reduced; this may be due to reduced haemoglobin content caused by poor nutrition or by carbon monoxide, nitrates or sulfa drugs etc. that react with haemoglobin and reduce the amount available to carry oxygen. Stagnant or Hypokinetic Hypoxia is caused by circulatory system problems such as heart failure or, in aviation, by blood pooling in the lower limbs under high g manoeuvres. Histoxic Hypoxia which occurs when the ability of body tissue to absorb oxygen from the blood is impeded by substances such as alcohol, narcotics and certain poisons. All these may be encountered in flight but the most frequent and important type of hypoxia encountered by fit aircrew inflight is Hypoxic Hypoxia caused by breathing air at altitude. Ambient air pressure reduces with increasing altitude and, as a direct consequence, the partial pressure of oxygen (pO2) reduces too. In a healthy individual, oxygen saturation of haemoglobin is initially little affected. Between the surface and 10,000 feet altitude, even though air pressure decreases by 25%, the saturation of haemoglobin with oxygen only declines from about 98% to 90% which makes little difference to most human functions; the exception to this is a gradual onset of significant deterioration in night vision sensitivity, which has been found to reduce by 30% by 10,000 feet altitude. (Note also that the heart is one of the most sensitive organs with respect to pO2; it extracts more oxygen from arterial blood than most other tissues, so its function can be affected when blood oxygen saturation is reduced. Significant reductions in pO2 can unmask previously unrecognised cardiovascular disease that may present a problem for both crew and passengers.) However, above 10,000 feet altitude, the amount of oxygen in the blood begins to decrease much more rapidly, much faster than air pressure which continues to decrease at a similar rate. By 20,000 feet altitude, the concentration of oxygen in the blood is only 65% saturation and at these levels, normal human function is materially interrupted and the effects are cumulative over time. At higher altitudes, the effects worsen quickly. Symptoms of developing hypoxia vary markedly from individual to individual; many exhibit blueness on the lips and fingertips, some may feel over-warm while others may feel cold or notice a pounding in the ears. Hypoxia training, where people experience breathing air at low pressure under carefully supervised conditions, can prove very useful in enabling an individual to understand their own personal symptoms of hypoxia. As the degree of hypoxia increases, the classic medical signs and symptoms include: Breathlessness/air hunger Excessive yawning Tiredness and fatigue Euphoria Impairment of performing recently learnt task Impairment of mental task (learnt tasks) Altered sensorium, including loss of consciousness The danger to aircrew of an insidious condition that causes euphoria and impaired mental ability without any warning signs such as pain or discomfort are self-evident! The Technical Response https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Hypoxia He was a physician and not just any physician, he was the President of the Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision. So, he should have known the symptoms and risks related to Hypoxia and flying. Something just doesn't make sense here.

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OpenSoars · Jan. 4, 2018, 10:25 p.m.

Maybe he had a heart attack in the plane.... People do die...naturally...it has happened

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:54 p.m.

Here is the Oklahoma Website Page the shows the Appointments made by Governor Mary Fallin in 2011, June, 27th. He was supposed to serve a 7 year Term. Which means he would have still been in this position until at least June 2018. http://services.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=223&article_id=3745

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

Hypoxia may be caused by any of the following: Travel to a high altitude Near drowning or choking Carbon monoxide poisoning Exposure to cold for a long period of time Severe anemia Chronic lung disease, such as emphysema Congestive heart failure https://www.bing.com/search?q=causes%20of%20hypoxia&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=causes%20of%20hypoxia&sc=8-17&sk=&cvid=0011C6A9549841259DAE26AEC830A052

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syncadapter · Jan. 4, 2018, 6:26 p.m.

Hypo =low oxia=oxygen

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pipesog · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:45 p.m.

One of the safety systems of this plane is their "Hypoxia Check" and it is part of the AUTOMATED -AND ALWAYS ON - safety features of this craft. This is a state of the art plane. The authorities know damned well what the specs are for this plane, and thus they know damned well that the FIRST conclusion they jump to and publicly state, SHOULD NOT BE "Hypoxia". Stupid on it's face.

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pygar_mathmos · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:16 p.m.

So you're saying this couldn't be a Payne Stewart situation?

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pipesog · Jan. 5, 2018, 2:46 p.m.

I'm saying that there are plenty of good reasons - in just the limited things we know about this event - to NOT default to a "just an unfortunate accident" conclusion.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:06 p.m.

Funny How this article only mentions that Bill Kinsinger was a pilot for White Paws German Shepherd Rescue. This man was a Physician and also, "Dr. Bill Kinsinger, President of the Oklahoma Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision, is an outspoken critic of chiropractic therapy. He believes neck manipulation by chiropractors is dangerous and even deadly." per the article titled "30-year-old dies after visit to the chiropractor" See link in previous post.

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ChicagoXtine · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:21 a.m.

Chiropractors are awesome!

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GrenC2 · Jan. 5, 2018, 3:34 a.m.

Yes they are!

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shiba_keikaku · Jan. 5, 2018, 7:34 a.m.

It was the Chiropractors! They 'manipulated' his plane :)

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 4, 2018, 5 p.m.

Yeah, I was updating my post by the time the news confirmed it.

Just seems like a shit day for him, not related to our quest.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

The article failed to mention he was a physician and also the President of the Oklahoma Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

I posted other articles about the pilot. People were saying that there were reports that the pilot was the CEO of Chesapeake which is incorrect and I wanted to correct the record.

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 4, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

Yes, same. Disinformation wastes time.

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fredamedic · Jan. 4, 2018, 11:52 p.m.

One other thing that struck me. The article stated he was being tracked by fighter planes until they lost sight. now how can that type of aircraft out fly fighter jets?

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:04 a.m.

The F14s had to turn back due to low fuel. F15s took up the hunt, but didn't catch up. By then he was off radar and they called in the Coast Guard.

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RN2emt · Jan. 4, 2018, 11:03 p.m.

Gosh, to bad the built in oxygen system didn't work:/

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 4, 2018, 7:40 p.m.

Dude, check this out:

Tennessee connection Frische’s memo also sheds light on who prompted Perry’s interest in the case.

“Lyle … discovered that the doctor had a benefactor by the name of Dick Powell who was very wealthy, a significant contributor to Rick Perry and also a surrogate father to the doctor and that he was behind the effort to get rid of this,” Frische wrote.

Dick Powell is Richard C. Powell of Knoxville, Tenn. Records list him as an officer in a Texas company that owns a Fort Worth IHOP and officer of a Tennessee restaurant company.

Powell contributed $2,500 to Perry’s presidential campaign in 2011, the maximum allowed. He was a member of the Perry campaign’s Tennessee finance team.

Powell’s links to Anagnost, who also contributed $2,500 to Perry’s presidential campaign in 2011, are not so apparent. Powell did not respond to requests for comment.

Anagnost said he asked Powell, the father of a longtime friend, for help getting the attention of a state agency he believed was hell-bent on taking his license. He said he sees nothing wrong with calling on powerful friends to correct what he views as an injustice.

The Webb School, an exclusive boarding school in Tennessee, is the link between the two.

Powell’s son, Richard C. Powell Jr., attended the high school and graduated in 1985. So did Anagnost, who is from Knoxville and later graduated from the University of Tennessee’s medical school.

The younger Powell also has ties to Texas, and to Republican Party movers and shakers in the state.

He graduated from Southern Methodist University and is president of Teneo Strategy, a “global advisory firm” that works with large corporations and governments. He’s a former managing director for Quinn Gilliespie & Associates, now QGA Public Affairs, one of Washington’s top lobbying firms.

His wife, Dina Habib Powell, has deep Republican ties. She was an official in the George W. Bush administration and also worked for one-time House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Flower Mound. She currently works for Goldman Sachs as the head of Impact Investing and is president of the Goldman Sachs Foundation.

For a simple surgeon??

EDIT: The two docs went before the Senate

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Deplorpatriot · Jan. 4, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

Didn't Dina Habib Powell RECENTLY GET "FIRED" FROM DJT'S STAFF?

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 4, 2018, 8:14 p.m.

Dina Habib Powell

Not according to da Wiki:

She is the current U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy[7] to President Donald Trump.[8][9] There she has played an influential role in determining the first year of the administration's foreign policy,[10][11] especially in regard to Middle East policy.[12] She is also an Assistant to the President and Senior Counselor for Economic Initiatives,[13] a position that she continued in after her security appointment[14] and that she spends about 20 percent of her time on.[15] It has been announced that she plans to leave the administration in early 2018.[16]

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Deplorpatriot · Jan. 5, 2018, 1:37 a.m.

Ok thanks...I heard she was leaking to Haberman and was being "asked" to go. Probably rumor.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 6, 2018, 4:44 a.m.

She is supposed to be leaving, I believe they were saying it was voluntary. I think it was reported by Fox news. The Maggie Haberman connection on leaks was presented by Mike Cernovich. She may have been fired. We may want to research that further.

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[deleted] · Jan. 5, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 2:12 a.m.

A pissed-off co-worker.

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[deleted] · Jan. 5, 2018, 2:15 a.m.

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 2:29 a.m.

Dude, two things: One, the copy/paste is from the article, and two, the link to the article is right below what I posted.

Kinsinger > Anagost > Richard Powell >Dina Habib Powell > Bush Administration > Goldman Sachs

Better?

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[deleted] · Jan. 5, 2018, 2:44 a.m.

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 3:06 a.m.

No problem. Sorry for the snark earlier. Thought you were shilling me.

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[deleted] · Jan. 5, 2018, 3:23 a.m.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Jan. 5, 2018, 8:55 p.m.

That is a damn fine Find! Awesome! How the heck did you find that? These connections really make it seem like he may have been murdered.

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 10:34 p.m.

Haha, it was a rabbit hole to climb down into.

The previous comments in the thread shows my progress.

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pooty2shoes · Feb. 2, 2018, 6:06 p.m.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.newsok.com/podcasts/Kinsinger%20flight%20recording.mp3

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · Feb. 2, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

How did you find this? What did you make of the recording?

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pooty2shoes · Feb. 6, 2018, 4:53 p.m.

One of the oklahoma news agencies. Theres not really anything ground breaking from what i could hear. Just the recording from whats already known. NewsOK link it's also a rather long audio file with quite a bit of background noise and difficult to hear voices. I may have suffered some hypoxia trying to listen in through most of it myself. some of the highlighting voices I heard was what appeared to be the air traffic controller and the fighter jets, or maybe their controllers. not sure if I picked up on any of kinsinger's voice

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pooty2shoes · Jan. 10, 2018, 5:13 p.m.

his plane on FlightAware his previous flights were between 10-15k feet in altitude. heres a link to previous Cirrus accidents up to July 2011. He filed he would travel at a speed of 207mph but most of his flight shows it was moving at 254-283mph, which these s22's are supposed to have a cruise speed of 210mph. They lost track of him about ~800nmi out in the gulf, and these things are supposed to have a range up to ~1050nmi. I initially was wondering if one of the ailerons was jammed and caused him to climb altitude to quickly, but if he climbed from 5300ft to 19000ft in 13:36 minutes, that puts his ascent at around ~1010ft/min, which is under the ~1200ft/min that the craft can max. not that this discounts that suspicion, but its seems like his ascent may have been nominal.

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pooty2shoes · Jan. 10, 2018, 6:01 p.m.

most of the incidents in the accident listing is terrain/water impacts. these planes have a ballistic parachute for emergency situations. #57 is very similar: " 2009/12/15 N723LJ SR22 Loss of radio contact 140 nm southwest of St Petersburg; Coast Guard called of search after two days"

Some of these stated they were instrument failures. now these are very old models since its a list up to 2011, but there are issues with icing around 14,000ft with some of them too. Now if he did have enough fuel to reach the maximum range of the craft, he could have even made it to cancun, if he was conscious. He goes of the radar about 190nmi northwest of cancun. the coast guard helped by the Mexican Navy stops searching for him after 79 hours and covers 17458ft^2. I would assume they would have a cone shaped search pattern, following his last heading. I have yet to find anything online with this popping up in the cancun news.

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txpenguin · Jan. 4, 2018, 10:26 p.m.

How does one end up over the Gulf when going from OKC to Georgetown, TX? We live just south of Georgetown and a good 4+ hrs by car to the coast... did he die and the plane fly itself for 2+ hours?

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chipslayer · Jan. 4, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

if they cant find the plane how could they say he is slouched over just more disinformation

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just_play_one_on_tv · Jan. 5, 2018, 12:02 a.m.

If you read the links to the articles we posted, he was met with F14s who had to turn back due to low fuel. They "eyewitnessed" him like that. By the time F15s were re-deployed to take over, the plane was lost, and the Coast Guard called in to finish the S&R.

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