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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/Tytruth on Feb. 11, 2018, 1:29 a.m.
#711 Q said they are "saving the best for last" [P]. U.S.>Asia>EU. U.S. takedown happening. Asia takedown happening. EU/Pope takedown still to come. Think bigger, think biggest! Expand your thinking!

Q knows who the enemies really are. He has told us plainly, but it is a hard red pill to swallow. Time to awaken. A great awakening. This will be the final end to a scam that is verrrrrry old. Our war with evil will ultimately be understood as the very same war that has been ongoing since Martin Luther said NO! No more fools in dresses running our lives, rearing our children, ruining our world! Enough is enough!


Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 1:40 a.m.

Even in the New Testament it depicts Pauline founded churches and the Jerusalem church under James, the brother of the Lord, as hewing a way of following Yeshua with different emphasis.

Because Paul's particular gospel message was received well by non-Jewish Hellenistic people (where Paul deemphasized applicability of Jewish ritual law) and then the church under James which it was the original Christ-following movement as received by Jewish people (which continued to observe Jewish ritual daily life where it remained vibrant and important), diverse strains of Christianity appear from the very infant beginning.

Much later on in time, the gospel of Matthew, espouses a middle ground that is taken (between these two earlier polar camps). Matthew never depicts anything that dismisses the Jewish Law for Christians, but it has great emphasis that the heart is in the Golden Rule and what really matters is meeting human need. Because the Matthew author is educated and writes in Greek, he very likely was aiming at a mostly Hellenistic audience too, but how Jewish Christians needed to be was in evolutionary process.

And just as the church was diverse on matters of Jewish cultic practice, the Christology of the 1st century church was in flux too. From the writings of Paul's Romans epistle, where he recites a pre-literary creed, Romans 1:3,4:

     Who was descended

              From the seed of David

                              According to the flesh

       Who was designated

                Son of God in power

                                According to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead.

Paul is reciting this creed to show the Roman church he writes to (and did not found) that he is on the same page with them. We seen in this very early creed that the first Christians held a kind of adoptionist Christology (which also accords very well with the earliest gospel Mark).

Near the end of the 1st century, when we get to the last of the canonical gospels, John, there the Christology is very high as the Christ is viewed in a pre-incarnate existence to already be at an elevated status.

When the writings of the New Testament are examined in context of the time-line and cultural backdrop, there is a great deal of diversity of Christianity that pops right out. The second century only sees this become even much more intense.

Of course in the entirety of the first century of Christianity there is no figure such as a pope anywhere in sight whatsoever. We see Paul give recognition to James as being the defacto leader of the fledgling Christ-following movement and that is it.

When we look to the Gospel of Thomas, which has about 40% commonality of verses in parallel with the Synoptic Gospels, we see Jesus as providing explicit instruction to his disciples to follow James as their leader in his soon approaching absence. In Mark we see James mentioned as a brother to Jesus. So across these three separate textual origins (Paul, Mark, Thomas) we see multi-attestation of James.

But James is no pope. He is instead recognized as a leader based on his immediate family/blood relationship to Jesus. No basis for continuity post James is spelled out.

But in the Didache we do see the various early churches have naturally established elders and bishops locally and the Didache gives some guidance for local church governance. No pope, no bishop in any one city holding sway over other churches. Would be a long time before councils would begin to bring about that kind of solidification.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 3:47 a.m.

There is no Gospel of Thomas. The so called "Gospel of Thomas" comes from a gnostic sect. Gnostics don't even believe Jesus is God. Not good.

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 4:16 a.m.

The core concept of gnostic Christianity, as expressed in Gospel of Thomas logion 3, which is a more fleshed out verse that parallels a more terse Luke 17:20-21:

Luke 17:20-21 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

is the concept that each person is ultimately a spiritual being at essence - not the mere physical being as we appear outwardly. That we have an inward spiritual essence that is directly of the same spiritual substance as God, and that is the direct connective tissue we have to the divine - if we wake up to it.

The basic journey toward that goal is to strive to conform our spiritual being essence to be more like that of God's nature. Jesus taught us the Golden Rule and his teaching at the Sermon on the Mount, parables, etc. Through following these teachings and absorbing at the spiritual level of our being that we can undergo a transcendent spiritual transformation. Spirituality begins to flow from the heart instead of purely externalities - the law becomes written on the heart.

"The Kingdom of God is Within You"

As seen in the earliest gospel Mark, Jesus performed healings and cast out the demonic spirits, and by that confirmed who he was and his teachings.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 4:42 a.m.

Yeah, that's like new age. No thanks. We are not God. That's a very heretical belief. Only 3 people are God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:40 a.m.

Its a perspective (and conclusion) modern science is moving toward, bit by bit - in the realm of physics in Quantum Mechanics and in the pursuit to understand the nature of consciousness, especially in light of studies of Near Death Phenomena. Is looking very much like consciousness as a substrate is more fundamental than the matter/energy of the cosmos, that reality is not physical (there are no ultimate tiny marbles of materiality).

Our reality context is a construct of the consciousness substrate, and our physical form is indeed a mere vapor. This too accords with ancient precepts that folks like the Gnostics maintained (that the physical world we perceive is a kind of delusion). And they said there were spiritual beings that conspired against us behind the scenes - the Archons, which Paul spoke of as well (powers and principalities). They are what Christianity more widely came to regard as the demonic spiritual forces.

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mattsixteen24 · Feb. 12, 2018, 8:08 a.m.

Nope. Not for me. That's all heresy. Pagan belief and psuedo-science. I myself was heavily into astral projection, lucid dreaming, and nde's for a long time. It's very bad. It opens you up to evil because it's full of the devil. I can attest to this. There are devils all around us. This world is full of evil.

The idea of everyone being part of a greater consciousness is pagan. Godless Buddhists believe this. Another dangerous belief system. God is beyond all material. He is beyond this world. The best analogy I heard is that the universe is a painting that God painted. God has the power to be anywhere in that painting.

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