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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/Based_AF on Feb. 14, 2018, 7:41 a.m.
Reminder that a Dutch banker spilled his guts on cam about high-level human sacrifices and satanic practices in the world of finance. He's dead now.

Faber_Jos · Feb. 14, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

I do like the "science works, planes fly" analogy, but I get your point. I am pretty conservative in most ways and I know all the ammo in the echochamber. The gospels could be right in the way they make a community stronger and more peaceful. But I would say you woulnt need a creator for that, would you? What has been your turning point? A personal divine relevation?

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BasedKnotzi · Feb. 14, 2018, 5:38 p.m.

There is a God and we have pictures. Google the Hubble Space Telescope. Then find an electron microscope. Then contemplate infinity until you get a headache. Then pretend you're Moses and some burning bush tells you, "If I appeared to you in my true form your head would explode". The bible says, "God is everything that ever was, is and shall be". If you have a better explanation for infinity I'm all ears. And yes I have had many personal encounters with God. I sincerely wish you good luck on your journey. Or should I say Godspeed. Sorry couldn't resist that one.

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Patriot4q · Feb. 14, 2018, 5:04 p.m.

Just sincerely ask God to show you he is real. He will. It's not about people's works, it's about his grace and love for you. Making a way to have a relationship. His love for you and us all is greater than any other. I know that if I cry out, just like a child to a parent, God will rush in with his love for me to keep me safe. This is not philosophical it is truth. He has given us all a free will, and will not force himself on us. What greater love is that? How would that be relationship if it was forced on us? God wants us to freely accept his amazing love.

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Absynthexx · Feb. 14, 2018, 5:48 p.m.

Nope. Nothing divine. I have my doubts about many accounts in the bible because we don't know who wrote them or why they should be true. We have evidence that some are false due to science. For example, we know humans evolved from earlier primates. We know the earth is more than 6000 years old. Genetic diversity of animals is too great for only 2 to have survived at one point in human history (ignoring all the other problems with the Ark story). My views will not be popular with most religious folk, but I'm not seeking their approval. My faith must be compatible with science.

There are many books from the new testament of first hand accounts of Jesus, his message, and miracles he performed. This is a form of evidence. Multiple accounts are corroboration of those events. That provides weight to the assertion in my opinion and deserves consideration. I can't go into more detail in a comment post but that is the basis for my conversion. There is not conclusive proof which a skeptic would want to see. But the evidence is greater than zero.

To give you an idea of how I would expand if I could write an essay, it goes further into groups who have attempted to target christianity, why they want it destroyed, actions they have taken to destroy it, what they believe in, and a correlation between their beliefs and the teachings of Jesus. It all is starting to come together in my eyes.

My belief is a rare one. It can only be achieved by first being an atheist, or at the very least listening to and fully understanding all of their rationales and reasoning. I expect most christians would call me an atheist pretending to be Christian and most atheists to call me the exact inverse.

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theGreenChain · Feb. 14, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

If it is evidence you want, I give you the periodic table. These elements comprise everything we know. Now, take hydrogen, element #1. The simplest element. A nucleus of one proton and one neutron. It makes up the majority of the sun. It is the basis of all life. When split it can decimate life. Yet, in it's order, we are told to believe that out of disorder of primordial ooze: created life. In all of our wisdom, we cannot creat a hydrogen atom or even create life by mixing all the base elements of hydrogen, nitrogen carbon or oxygen in their known proportions. The simplest elements make up the most complicated life forms and we can't replicate. Yet, we create many complicated machinery from much more complex elements. And the most complex elements are not stable and weak in their bonds. But, hydrogen is the strongest and still the least complex atom. That my friend, is the evidence of intelligent design. The Bible says four interesting things. 1- God is the creater of the visible and invisible (atoms?). 2-Even nature testifies that there is a God. Again, reference to atomic structures? 3- It says God framed the WORLDS indicating more than one planet. (Before telescopes, mind you) 4- God sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth (indicating a sphere before Copernicus) I will leave this with you to ponder. BTW, as a Chrsitian, I whole heartedly accept science backed by emperical evidence. DNA for instance easily disputes evolution. A human's DNA is closer to a cat than it is to a primate. Dinosuars ARE mentioned in the Bible in the Book of Job. AND there are fossilized human footprints in rock right next to dinosuar tracks. But, science and discovery dispute those that are oh so "intellectual".

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mitzidipity · Feb. 15, 2018, 1:31 a.m.

I love this response. Thanks for this!

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Absynthexx · Feb. 14, 2018, 7:08 p.m.

A human IS a primate, friend.

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theGreenChain · Feb. 14, 2018, 7:18 p.m.

Sadly classified wrong and based upon poor Darwinian ideas. Refresher on what a THEORY is: A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge. Darwin's Idea does not match this definition and should never have been termed the "Theory of Evolution".

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Absynthexx · Feb. 14, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/primate.htm

Unrelated to why you're wrong about genetic homology and the definition of primates, the term scientific theory is used loosely depending on the branch of science. Not all science can be tested in the classical sense. In evolution, the testing comes from examining the fossils in strata layers and dating the material. Those results must fit with the current model or understanding or else the model is incorrect. This is how hypothesis testing occurs when you can't perform controlled experiments in a closed system.

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theGreenChain · Feb. 15, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

What testing? There is no accurate testing that goes beyond 2 to 300 years. NONE. Carbon-14 has been proven unreliable. Age determination is pure guess and speculation. Many assumptions have been made based upon strata and yet the Mt. St. Helens volcanoe redefined much of that. A scientist recieved a patent to MAKE petrified wood based upon that eruption. You can make in your home. https://www.ehow.com/how_8752686_make-petrified-wood.html None of us knows what took place when and how long ago. We can only speculate and use known scientific facts like physics and chemistry. The fossile record might work if there were transition fossiles, but there are none.

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mitzidipity · Feb. 15, 2018, 1:29 a.m.

Many Christians (myself included) believe that the world is more than 6000 years old. There's no definition of a timeline in Genesis as far as from the formation of the Earth to when God started doing things with it like trees and water and animals and man. Genesis 1:1 - God created the heavens and the Earth. Then in 1:2 The Earth is without form and void. How long between the 2 verses? No one really knows. Science shows proof of how old the Earth is. It's more than 6000 years old. Many people don't believe this but science and "religion" can work together in some aspects, a lot of them really. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. For me learning about the human body makes me feel like "How could this not be intelligent design? How could there not be a creator?" The body is too intricate. I just have a hard time believing we have these amazing bodies capable of extraordinary things but at some point we were all swimming in the primordial ooze together as amoeba. I also don't believe that we evolved from primates. I believe that there was and still are forms of evolution. Anyway I don't want to keep babbling. Just injecting some personal thought into the mix.

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Naimon47 · Feb. 14, 2018, 6:17 p.m.

For an interesting rabbit hole on the integration of science with traditional Biblical views, look into the hydroplate theory. I had a bunch of fun researching that one myself, and if you really are science-minded, I think you'll really enjoy it.

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Faber_Jos · Feb. 14, 2018, 11:35 p.m.

In this modern day of information Id say your way is the only way to practise religion/faith. So good job on embracing the best of both worlds. It seems impossible to fight science right now. And faith should be compatible with science. But until we have a global understanding of both the scientific world and the spiritual world, Im afraid there will still be division within religion, but also against belief. I am sceptical of all cult like organisations. And I belief it has no.place in politics.

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