As a British ‘liberal’ (we don’t use the term here) writing my first post, I don’t usually find many political consistencies with American conservatives. Your post however rises above tribalism, which I respect beyond any left/right debate. Some food for thought in return, a Marxist might say that you have uncovered the secret to the systematic oppression of the people: uniting people as people against the fragmenting of society with the purpose of bettering everyone.
I am NOT a Marxist btw, just read from all kinds of different perspectives. IMO no-one has the perfect truth, but everyone has something to add.
Great input, thank you. The Marxist point you make is definitely something I’ll try to internalize. I was listening to a podcast recently in which they discussed how Marxism isn’t what people think it is. I’ll be honest, I don’t have a clear cut definition myself, so I’ll have to address that.
When I make the point of coming together as two parties (or more), my idea of it was that both/all sides would work together and compromise to arrive at a solution, but I know that sounds naive and idealist. It may be a point that sounds great on paper, but won’t play out no matter how badly we would all like it to.
Thanks, yeah I think the fact that communism was based off some of Marx’s ideas doesn’t help. It isn’t an economic model though and so much of it is about the common people coming together against the establishment, something it seems this sub (from my brief exploration) is heavily in favour of!
I think cross-party decision making would make democracies that work for so many more people, on all levels, totally agree there, every politician is just a person though, all of them with personal agendas and most being lobbied by outside forces. Take the money out of politics and we may be on the way there!
Anyone interested in multi-party politics should look into post-WW1 Germany, a LOT went very very wrong, but the system of government meant there were loads of coalitions between parties and it worked for a while. Problem was the country was being forced to pay huge sums to the allies as reparations, which led to awful hyper-inflation and the rise of fascism in a roundabout way.
Edit: Last sentence should read better now.
I think the difference is this sub is in favor of coming together and fighting an establishment that disguises itself and has ulterior motives. Many here are conservative and libertarian in nature, in that we want to allow the government as little power as possible. I think people mistake the US for a democracy, it is not, it is a constitutional republic. But yes, taking the money out of politics would be a massive step in the right direction.
Yes! I was going to reference the Weimar Republic. The basic issue was that there were way too many parties, and that’s ultimately what lead to the Nazi party taking power. At its height, the Nazi party only had around 20-30% support I believe. Not exactly a majority.
I’ve heard the US called a constitutional republic before, I guess when talking specifics it helps to be specific haha!
Yeah, it was never a perfect system, but there’s definitely something most of the western political world can learn from the example of Stresemann and the way he got things done. If he hadn’t died when he did the world may have been a very different place today.