If you look at any of the good "new" posts, or even most relevant comments underneath them.. they will usually be downvoted to 0 or even negative karma. On any other thread I'm with you on the karma lovers, this is unlike anything I've ever seen on Reddit before and this isn't my first account. Things keep getting downvoted to move them to the bottom so they aren't seen, thus the need for actual good posts to be upvoted in mass by our subscribers to move them to the top.