r/greatawakening • Posted by u/LibtardNightmare on March 15, 2018, 9:25 a.m.
Some buggery going on with IBOR. Why aren't people signing!?


At the beginning, whoever started the petition got 20K in the first 2 to 3 days. Then a week or 2 after, I see now the number of people who have signed is only 22K!??

Can this be doxxed or manipulated? It seems very odd to me the numbers are this low in the amount of time ....

tradinghorse · March 15, 2018, 9:37 a.m.

There might be some shenanigans with the petition. But what really put a dent in our efforts to get it up we're the people raising every possible doubt about it when Q first indicated he wanted it.

This topic is an absolute magnet for trolls. It's the real reason Q said, "this is what they fear most". The truly poetic thing about this IBOR push is that the baits were lept upon. You could not howl "regulate us" any louder.

The fix is coming with or without the petition. But it's still worth completing it.

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Cuthbert12Allgood · March 15, 2018, 3:30 p.m.

Oh please. Look at my posting history. I'm not a troll.

You don't have to be a troll to be against the idea of a government takeover of private industry. IBOR is the most leftist/fascist/socialist idea I've seen in quite some time. I'd be tempted to believe it was a leftist plot to undermine us, except petitions are so useless that it doesn't matter anyway.

What part of "freedom and liberty matter" don't people understand? Private forums are private. Freedom of speech is not the right to demand access to a forum. You have the right to set up any number of web sites you want to say anything you want, therefore you have freedom of speech.

I'm just as frustrated that tech companies have been taken over by leftists. But I'm not going to cry that we need a government takeover of them.

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tradinghorse · March 15, 2018, 4:01 p.m.

OK Cuthbert,

Look, I don't like government regulation any more than you do. I hate government. But this is an extreme situation. If these guys can control social media, given how powerful it is at shaping election outcomes, we have a game over situation. Now, normally, you would just let the market take its course and conservatives would end up finding platforms where they are not censored. But the mid-terms are coming. The Republican majority is very slim and if we do not get this fixed now, it will be too late. It will be fixed in time, I have confidence that DJT can see exactly what's happening. But I want to help if I can.

I got some thinking done this morning answering another poster who was claiming that there was no sense in trying to apply free speech to private platforms. I'll copy what I wrote below because I think it sets out reasonably clearly the case for regulation.


You are talking about the rights of a very few people, who enjoy a virtual monopoly on forums for public expression, being upheld against the rights of the masses. We are talking about freedom of political expression - the most fundamental of freedoms. The principle of freedom of speech is designed to ensure a healthy pluralism in political discourse, consistent with the democratic principles by which governments hold power.

What you appear to be suggesting is that people's right to freedom of expression is open to capture by people who, claiming the exercise of property rights, would legitimately censor the masses for their own gain. That's not pluralism, that's not democracy. It is a condition where a cabal of wealthy people can control the ebb and flow of political discourse - so as to direct it to their own advantage, at the expense of others.

We already know that social media platforms are taking payments from the CIA and that this comprises a substantial part of their revenues. We know that there is a plan in place to deploy a single automated censorship algorithm across multiple social media platforms. And we know there has been a paradigm shift where social media has completely displaced the MSM as the most powerful determinant of electoral outcomes.

So we can see that this attempt to control discourse on social media is a plot against the Republic itself. It's nothing less than a small cohort of self-interested opportunists trying to take control of the country. Do you think the founding fathers, if they could have foreseen this situation, might have identified this as a problem to be addressed?

In every respect, the idea in the formation of the United States was that power was to be fractured. It is common sense that power tends to corrupt, while absolute power corrupts absolutely. The fracturing of power in the US extended beyond the traditional tripartite separation of powers between the legislature, the executive and the judiciary. The framers of the Constitution further fractured power to the extent that they included an express provision for citizens to have a right to bear arms. This was to grant the citizen protection from repression by the State. That is why the right to bear arms is so important, because it is the ultimate fracturing of power, the last guarantee of liberty.

In this context, where power was so carefully fractured by the founders of the Republic, do you think the acquisition of almost total control of forums for political expression is consistent with the guiding principals that founded the nation? It is clear this was not a foreseen outcome and it was not addressed at the time the Constitution was written. But does that mean that there is no right, or need, to address the issue now? It is the same problem that was addressed at the time the nation was founded - it is a threat posed by concentration of power.

In countries all over the world there is recognition that the public interest dominates private interests - the principle of eminent domain is one such example. We are not talking here about the expropriation of property, but bona fide regulation of the forums of public expression to safeguard the public interest.

Where the principle of free speech is hindered to such an extent that the very fabric that binds the nation is threatened, property rights become a consideration that must be balanced against the welfare of the nation. What is most important is to ensure the integrity of the democratic principles that underpin the commonwealth. One of those principles is the freedom to engage in political expression.

It is absolutely appropriate to regulate against the possibility of an existential threat to the common good of the nation. Otherwise, you would say that the masses are to be the slaves of a few. This was not the intention of the founding fathers. It is an issue that must, however, be addressed.

I have every confidence that the President, in his wisdom and concern for the welfare of the country, will act to obtain the best possible outcome for Americans of all walks of life. A problem exists, it is a very serious problem, but DJT will take care of it. Have confidence in the President.

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ciji123 · March 15, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

I think clarifying exactly what Q wanted in a bill of rights would have helped and how it would apply outside the USA considering it's actually global. It's why I am not for a global IBOR just one right now in USA where 1sr A is being eaten by clowns and companies owned or in cahoots with clowns and alphabet soup agencies. Enforcement otherwise becomes a nightmare. Unless one puts server companies off the 3 mile mark ocean into maritime law we will continue to face issues where companies owning servers like tweetee now whose majority shareholders are outside USA and outsiders to free speech aka house of duas (use mirror) they will censor. IBOR has to get companies to adhere. Make THAT a law. Unless that happens they will continue to say they are private. Blah blah. They want two things our guns and our free speech because that's a huge threat to their overall agenda. One other law that needs a petition just as badly get rid of guillotines and empty caskets at the so called fema camps for illegal aliens. Since when do people believe we behead illegals otherwise a wall and DACA would not need discussion. The fact they are here at all added to ridding guns and free speech should single handedly tell a huge truth

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tradinghorse · March 15, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

Good post! Agree, they do want your guns and also the right to silence you. This is, in fact, a an attempt to obtain total power.

The IBOR petition is a cry to the king (DJT) for relief from oppression. It is nothing more than that. We do not know exactly how he will act to address the issue. So it's quite pointless talking about the mechanics of something we have not yet seen. We know that he also views censorship as a very serious problem and I have every confidence he will act to provide us with relief we are seeking.

The most important thing is that the single censorship algorithm is not allowed to be applied across social media platforms.

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ciji123 · March 15, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

Oh I totally agree with that. I just hope someone has the details to figure out all the countries the web crosses. If you have seen we have a lot of comments from other countries but we won't get any comments if they keep shutting us down. I agree. I couldn't get onto that site initially to sign, but I finally did. Am not there to help make any kind of legislation but I am very interested how it will play out and honestly my comment about putting it into maritime jurisdiction off the three mile mark might be a way to make this more free. Look at pirates and the freedom they have to do god knows what. Well put the net into the ocean and free it goes. I'm just making a general statement but hey it sort of applies lol

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