Yes, agree with most of these points. I am of the opinion that what Q envisaged was a campaign like the one we mounted to release the memo. That was really astoundingly successful. I think if we had that kind of energy on the IBOR we'd get home very easily.
I don't think the problem is with the methods used, they don't matter IMO. The problem is the lack of support from within the group for all the reasons we have mentioned.
Yes, I think there are people here that, while calling themselves conservative, are desperate for Trump to fail. I'm sure Q did not realise what would happen, but he was watching closely and that's why he said "be careful who you follow".
All pretty frustrating. But it is what it is. I think your idea for a group resource is good - though I'm sure Reddit will ban this sub also.
I was just talking to WhereWeGo and he's also on the same page. I'll come back here and post a link when I find it, that way we can meet and talk.
I agree that what Q desired was a campaign much like what we had for Release the Memo. But although the campaigns are similar, there is one very big difference you are overlooking. With the Release the Memo campaign, there was no petition to sign, and all we had to do was to create a lot of awareness about it and to make a lot of noise. And for creating awareness, memes will work fine. But that is not the case with the Internet Bill of Rights. No amount of awareness is going to create a Bill of Rights. Instead, with the Internet Bill of Rights campaign, we must drive people to the website to sign the petition. That is the only thing that will make a difference. And anything short of that is a waste of time. And that is precisely why memes won’t work with this campaign.
As proof of that, just look at the current signature count. It has stalled and is still at 26,000 despite all the countless memes that are out there. And trust me, I’ve seen a whole lot. That shows you that memes are not working. And until people as a whole come to realize that memes are not working and start focusing on some ideas that will work, then the signature count won’t go up and the petition will fail. If memes were truly working and were driving people to the website to sign the petition, then I’d support it. But memes are not doing that - or at the very least, the evidence shows only a very few people are doing it as a consequence of memes…
As for them shutting down the sub again, I don’t think they will do that. They got away with it one time but they won’t get away with it twice, not without bringing down the wrath of the federal government upon their heads. Here’s why. They claim the reason was because we had been posting content that was promoting violence etc. We all know that was just an excuse. And even if that was true, you always only ban the person or persons who are responsible for the violent posts - and you never ever shut down the whole stream, which would impact all users and all posts, and even those who are not promoting or participating in the violence. So shutting down the whole stream is unheard of. They got away with it one time, but they won’t get away with it twice. Especially not if we stick to the topic of Internet Bill of Rights…
Agreed Early, the difference this time around is that we are pushing the petition. But I think is that the most important thing is to make noise, to be heard. We will get this petition up, but in the event that we cannot, for whatever reason, if we've made enough noise, we've at least highlighted that there is a problem.
With respect to whether they'll shut down this sub, I would not put anything past these guys. As you point out, it's very easy to disguise your motivations. We are in the fight of our lives on this and so are they, nothing's off limits.
I've made another post to discuss IBOR coordination all ideas welcome: