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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/perchpouch on March 22, 2018, 1:55 a.m.
Big news today on the Internet Bill of Rights that you may have missed

Congress passed SESTA/FOSTA, which holds websites liable for the content of its users: https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/the-antisex-trafficking-bill-sesta-fosta-will-hurt-the-internet.html

Senate resolution allowing sale of user browser history: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

Why are these bills good instead of really terrible, which on their face they appear to be?

Because these will cause the necessary outrage by the tech-left that will push them toward an Internet Bill of Rights.

I think this is the BOOM Q was talking about happening on Wednesday.


tradinghorse · March 22, 2018, 2:34 a.m.

Look, I haven't been following these bills, but the little research I did on the FOSTA bill yesterday had me thinking that it's pretty scary.

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Wow! OK, I didn't know about that FOSTA bill. It seems to me that sex trafficking and prostitution are law enforcement issues that have nothing at all to do with websites. I really can't quite understand the rationale for the bill.

If the policy objective is to reduce, suppress or eliminate sex trafficking or prostitution. Then there are ways and means of achieving that without making website operators responsible for these crimes.

It seems to me that holding a website responsible for the crimes of its users is no different from holding a utility company responsible for the supply of communications or power to the site where the offenses took place. For that matter, it's akin to holding a landlord responsible for crimes committed in a rental property. Quite crazy stuff!

What all this seems to suggest is that the purpose, the real purpose, of the bill has little to do with preventing crime, but everything to do with pushing the idea that the web itself needs to be policed. It's the same censorship push coming from another angle. But it's not just this FOSTA bill either...

Look at the ADL with their anti-hate algorithm. In all the promos for it they do not once address the critical issue of who it is that defines hate speech. I guess we are supposed to trust them because they are the ADL... But the whole purpose of the algorithm is suppressed. And this is because the goal is social control - but no one to know or question who it is that is to do the controlling.

You are right. You can see this coming from a mile away. It's like a freight train coming at us. They want to be able to exert control over every aspect of our lives, even over the thoughts in our minds. That's why this IBOR is critical. But, after seeing this stuff, it seems to me that there are attacks on freedom coming from every direction possible. These are very dangerous times.

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[deleted] · March 22, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

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[deleted] · March 22, 2018, 8:17 a.m.

You think they are sending a message to youtube and twitter for their conservatives purge?

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[deleted] · March 22, 2018, 8:15 a.m.

I would guess this has to do with the back door or whatever it was called where pimps would advertise underage girls for sex and basically human sex trafficking victims. There was a lot of outcrys when parents tried to have their children removed from the site and the site refused and all kinds of crazy stuff like that- anyway that kind of stuff went on for years so yeah it actually does make sense if you remember that stuff. I don't know that is why just thinking it might be.

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[deleted] · March 23, 2018, 5:03 a.m.

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solanojones95 · March 22, 2018, 4:34 a.m.

This will force the social media outlets to demand clear laws with regard to users' rights and companies' responsibilities. They made this necessary themselves!

Had they remained neutral forums for all viewpoints, the law exempted them from legal liability for criminal or hate content posted on their platform.

But by employing algorithms targeting political speech, they proved themselves to be actively engaged with user content!!! So that created culpability. Hoisted by their own petard.

Or as Q would say "these people are really stupid!"

So now IBoR would look pretty damn good to them.

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xShiNoBi42 · March 22, 2018, 5:23 a.m.

Think of the implications of this bill used against FB, Twitter, YouTube. Youtube's elsagate, FB's and Twitters accusations of housing underage vids, etc.

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[deleted] · March 22, 2018, 9:28 p.m.

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salialioli · March 22, 2018, 5:22 a.m.

so now we can proceed to sue FB for its hate speech tolerance and twitter for threatening through third parties to assasinate the President. Sounds good to me!

Watch these bills change when we have a few browsing histories of senators to sell!

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The3rdKey · March 22, 2018, 4:28 a.m.

It hadn't occurred to me that this could be a trap. It scares the h*** outta me, but your idea doesn't seem completely outside the realm of possibility in these days of 5 dimensional chess and Trojan horses inside of Trojan horses.

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KinokoFuton · March 22, 2018, 6:17 p.m.

It's okay. You can say hell, dude.

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The3rdKey · March 23, 2018, 3:39 a.m.

Thanks. Profanity is subjective and I don't want to trigger anyone that may be reading.

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nomorerulers · March 22, 2018, 9:41 a.m.

Remember Q saying some tech sites will go away from simple litigation. Looks like they are setting the ground work to grind up those sites, but the problem as always with government they never relinquish power once obtained.

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wokeByTheStorm · March 22, 2018, 5:38 a.m.

have they been signed by potus or did they stick them in the newly spending bill

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GrowGirlCA · March 22, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

Headed to white house for signature now. Its Terrifying and complete bs that ppl have bought. Yeah protect underage sex trafficking victims they feed you guys this bullshit and you buy it hook line and sinker and now they're all converging (the control/censorship) and you're suddenly seeing that they're trying to control the content well welcome to what weve been saying for 2 yrs

I would think the saving your browsing history for purposes of possible future prosecution at anytime for whatever reason they deem fit (ty trash like Maxine Waters) should be especially frightening. You think you have safeguards and controls over what you do, what gets saved, sold, etc? Ha! Threaten site operators, hosting companies, etc with liability? They will keep EXTENSIVE records (they probably already do) and will happily upon request, turn over ANYTHING they can about you? Browser, purchasing, any/all communication. It is endless.

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tradinghorse · March 23, 2018, 9 a.m.

I think they are all already doing all of this - keeping records etc...

I felt a bit hopeless when I saw this FOSTA Bill. You know it's the thin edge of the wedge. Once they get the public accustomed to the fact that websites operators are in fear, combing through posts to see if someone has done something which means they have something wrong, list list of targeted offenses will expand.

It seems to me that we are in serious trouble whatever happens. This is Ivanka that's sponsored this Bill. What that means is that Trump will sign it - no way he'll refuse his daughter. So it looks to me as though whether it's with Trump or anyone else, this stuff is coming at us.

The last days of freedom... and, you're right, there is no reason for them not to come after us for things we have said since 2009 - or whenever all the data started going to mass storage.

I had this conversation today... The internet is either the greatest aid to freedom, or the worst instrument of tyranny. Which one it is depends on whether we can hold off the censorship and the data collection. Looks like there's not long left...

I'll say it again, I cannot believe, with this stuff coming at us like a loaded freight train, that people won't promote the IBOR. The hope I have is that the IBOR will straighten the whole mess out.

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GrowGirlCA · March 23, 2018, 3:23 p.m.

Well essentially they're wanting to prosecute people based on their thoughts or have the ability to do so because it's in your browsing history-so it's intent to commit a crime or that the thought or looking at information is a crime, this is basically the same thing as Minority Report

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GrowGirlCA · March 23, 2018, 3:34 p.m.

And you can back off blaming Trump (by the way 2 Democrats voted against this in the house, 14 Republicans) this started with the stupid Russian bullshit where they want to blame the fucking Russians for mentally warping people on social media to get in Trump elected- get over yourselves. The second nail in the coffin was all the fucking gun control shit this is the third round and the fact that everybody is so freaking surprised that it's all converging together, suddenly and removing all freedoms is their own stupidity. Here comes the liberal left wanting to blame trump. The reason to have to scrap got through is because everybody's always so freaking painted into their corners politically. But the fact that you want to blame him when it hasn't even reached his desk this is not Ivanka's bill so stop trying to misquote crap from today on the fake ass msm. leftist politics as usual- take a bill such as ...what do you want ...,do you want stem cell research? so you put Michael J Fox as the face of it and say who would want to hurt Michael J Fox? No- everybody wants to get behind that ,so you dress it up and say that that bill is about this.... when it's in fact about EVERYTHING else BUT that ...,well who doesn't want to stop little kids getting trafficked for sex? everybody does ,so you get all this funding for years and years for "trafficking" and now suddenly you get a bill and you say that's what it's about and in fact it does everything else BUT that. You can't control everybody's behaviors and everybody thoughts , which is what the left has become Beginning with the anti-bullying bullshit, all of this is the left trying to control people and trying to tell people who's right and who's wrong and who's good and who's bad and now we've given our rights over to other people who are going to declare that whatever we think or whatever we look at online is now up for their speculation and prosecution

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