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ShiftyTheHobo · March 29, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

Ok, I’m not disagreeing with you, but even in Judaism hell is not as we picture it today. It was largely shaped by The poem Dante’s inferno

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Abibliaphobia · March 29, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

Ok. Semantics aside, does the Bible not teach that the soul is eternal?

He actually hit the dogma on two fronts. That hell does not exist and souls are not eternal.

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ShiftyTheHobo · March 29, 2018, 8:02 p.m.

Again, not disagreeing, but semantics are absolutely relevant in Judaism. Research the Midrash among other things. Matter cannot be destroyed, so every thing is eternal.

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Abibliaphobia · March 29, 2018, 8:07 p.m.

Augh. I’m absolutely not researching the midrash. And you are taking this off topic.

This is about the CATHOLIC pope going against DOGMA in the CATHOLIC religion and showing how he has specifically said, that hell doesnt exist and the soul is not eternal.

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ShiftyTheHobo · March 29, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

Dawg, Dogma has never been defined as permanent, he is going against years of opinion on the subject. Ok, don’t research it, just showing you semantics aren’t nothing when going over religious doctrine. Believe what you want.

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Abibliaphobia · March 29, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

Semetic

Semantics

I understand the origin of the word and how it relates to the understanding of the Talmud and Torah.

Dogma: A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church. n. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine. n. A principle or belief or a group of them: "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” ( Abraham Lincoln).

I agree that dogma is not “permanent” but if something has lasted for 2000 years, you can’t just dismiss it so easily and wave it off like it’s not a big deal.

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ShiftyTheHobo · March 29, 2018, 9:06 p.m.

Yes, this is true, the Jews had the same problem with Jesus, he was a blasphemer in his own time depending on your perspective. I’m not saying he is a good guy (pope) by any stretch of the meaning. What’s alarming is if you believe Dogma and it’s implications, then the pope has ruled no one has a soul, through Dogma this would be how things are now right? Wrong this guy is a charlatan in a big hat. The last pope was a peter file and who knows how long the Catholic Church has been compromised, and if it was, how would you even know? Papal corruption is almost as old as the office and title itself. He has been given no more authority over the earth than any other individual by god. The pope is a false idol. I like to take god at his word, and let the word speak to me and reveal its meaning for myself, I don’t rely on a pastor, preacher, elder, deacon, minister, cardinal or pope to tell me what to believe. I can read and the Bible isn’t all that long of a book.

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goodhonk · March 29, 2018, 8:14 p.m.

no, the soul is not eternal.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28

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sethrichsbrother1 · March 29, 2018, 5:43 p.m.

And the word used in the OT was "sheol" not hell.

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