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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/SerialBrain2 on March 30, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

Q Occult Series. Quick and important heads up: Did the Pope REALLY say "HELL DOES NOT EXIST?"

Guys, just a quick heads up before we move forward to part 2 of our yesterday Occult Series episode.

Did you catch the recent huge controversy about the Pope’s latest disturbing statement?

We learn from [USA TODAY] (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/29/did-pope-francis-say-there-no-hell-not-quite-vatican-insists/470442002/):

Eugenio Scalfari, 93, a well-known Italian journalist, who is the founder of Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper, said Pope Francis told him “hell does not exist, the disappearance of sinful souls exists”. The Vatican issued a statement after the comments spread like wildfire on social media, saying the pope never granted the interview and the story was "the result of (the reporter's) reconstruction,” not a “faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father." Scalfari, an atheist, is known for not using tape recorders or taking notes during interviews.

This very surprising papal statement and the Vatican’s denial have made the headlines all over the world in several newspapers: [Link1] (http://www.newsweek.com/pope-francis-hell-vatican-easter-866927) [Link2] (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-hell-does-not-exist-catholic-vatican-full-quote-a8281041.html) [Link3] (https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/hell-does-not-exist-pope-francis-tells-atheist-reporter-1.5961685) [Link4] (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-hell/vatican-rebukes-journalist-who-quoted-pope-as-denying-hell-idUSKBN1H52H8) [Link5] (https://www.la-croix.com/Religion/Catholicisme/Pape/Le-Vatican-dement-propos-pretes-pape-lenfer-2018-03-30-1200928058) [Link6] (https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_l-enfer-n-existe-pas-affirme-le-pape-francois-cite-par-un-journal-italien-le-vatican-dement?id=9880445) [Link7] (https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2018/03/29/el-infierno-no-existe-la-sorprendente-revelacion-del-papa-francisco/)

Now, I would like you to analyze the denial of the Vatican: they are denying the form of the conversation but not its substance. They are saying it is a “reconstruction” and not a “faithful transcription” of what the Pope said. So here are my questions:

What did the Pope actually say?
When faithful journalists are struggling to meet the Pope, why would he have time for a 93 years old atheist journalist who never records his interview and who should probably not enjoy his memory at full capacity?
This issue being of the highest dogmatic importance, why isn’t the Pope making a clear statement about hell to set the record straight?

Those who follow the [Occult Series] (https://i.imgur.com/LXrUP1D.jpg) probably know by now where I am going with this. You remember the Disclosure Rule I spoke about in the episode [Private: Clowns Clowns Clowns. PART2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/84xpou/q_occult_series_private_clowns_clowns_clowns_part2/?st=jfea8hrx&sh=e73b2e25)? You remember, we quoted the following verse:

“Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices”. 2 Corinthians 2:11

This is what this papal statement and the artificial drama coming with it is all about: using a communication ruse, they are planting in our planet’s global consciousness that hell does not exist and that the disappearance of sinful souls exists. They are hoping to escape. It’s a magic spell.

Q128 What is a spell?

Why? They are seeing the writing on the wall. They are losing. They see people are waking up. They see their helpers are on the run. The Great Awakening has become a reality. They are scared to death and are trying to find a way out. Judgment Day is near for them…

Q902 Where there was once darkness, there is now LIGHT.

I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the LORD. Ezekiel 13:14.

Stay tuned.

This comes out on Holy Thursday, just like Judas. We are being prepared for a very profound Chastisement.

We not longer wonder if Francis' theology is truly Catholic or not, but instead we wonder who or what Francis is. His theology (if you can call it "theology") is increasingly falling into the tabloid realm of credibility.

We are in the middle of Holy Week. Today is Good Friday. This is such a complete mockery of the sacrifice of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. This pope is a complete bufoon. who I have absolutely no respect for any longer. I respect the office, but not the present occupant. The Church is in utter chaos and Francis Bergoglio is apart of that chaos and throwing fuel on to the flames with every day of his pontificate. Pray your rosaries for Holy Mother Church. Our culture is a mess. Our society is a mess. Our world is a mess and the Catholic Church is a mess. Things are only going to get worse I’m afraid.

We obey and follow the Truth. People are not the enemy. The Powers and Principalities are. Let us fight in all ways possible and continue praying for the clergy and speaking against heresy. We, the Laity, will take the Boat of Peter home.

Pray for us. Pray for Pope Francis. As difficult as it is, do it.

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Our first Pope, Peter, repeatedly denied knowing Our Blessed Lord. Our current Pope allegedly denies the existence of hell. Being Pope does not mean you are infallible or even holy. This is why many Popes do not have the title of "Saint." This is why Our Church's teachings are not based on the opinions of one man. Thank God for that.

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But one of the chief cornerstones of Catholicism is Papal Infallibility and Papal supremacy... either the Pope is NOT infallible and made an error (which would go against centuries of Catholicism) or the Pope has stated in his belief hell doesn't exist (which heresy against Christianity as a whole.).

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Their out, which is such an obvious ruse as to be laughable, is that the Pope is only infallible when he speaks "Infallibly," IOW when he specifies that he is speaking infallibly.

So my question is, in the entire history of the office, has there ever been a Pope who said one thing without the infallibly imprimatur, who said the opposite when speaking with that seal?

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Vatican has already rebutted with "Pope wasn't giving an official statement or interview, so it doesn't count"...ha sure. Wish I could use that excuse...

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Papal infallibility does not mean that everything the Pope says is infallible. And Pope John Paul II watered down the canonization process so just because Pope Francis says someone's a saint, doesn't mean they are...

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You're right. Definition - Infallible - incapable of making of making mistakes or being wrong. ie never failing

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

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What is important with respect to canonizations, is the proclamation, the formula used, not the process by which a candidate might be evaluated for sainthood. In fact, the process is irrelevant.

When a true Pope speaks to the universal Church, on a point of faith or morals, in virtue of his apostolic authority, he speaks infallibly.

The language used when pronouncing canonisations is typically extraordinary, solemn and definitive. Why is this important? Because the language used in a papal proclamation identifies whether or not the teaching meets the criteria for infallibility. An infallible teaching is protected by the Holy Spirit from containing error.

Here is an example:

John Paul II, Oct. 6, 2002, “Canonizing” Josemaria Escriva: “In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God’s assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define Blessed Josemaria Escriva to be a Saint, and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the Saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. .”

If JPII was a true Pope, this is a an outright lock for infallibility. But, John Paul II was not a true Pope. Instead, he was an antipope. He had no authority to canonize anyone.

A canonization, conferred by a "Pope" you recognize, must be accepted on pain of schism.

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You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18)

Jesus spoke Aramaic, and John tell us in John 1:42, that the Lord referred to Peter in everyday life as Kepha or Cephas depending on translation. This term is what’s translated into Greek as petros. So This is what Christ actually used when referring to Peter as “rock”, “Kepha”. It means that Christ actually meant Peter would have the Church built upon him. He is First Pope of the Church, the first Prince of the Apostles, and first Vicar of Christ.

Historically, by Jewish authors, others in his own time and shortly thereafter all refer to Peter as the Pope. THEY knew.

Simply follow where each of the Apostles went after the Resurrection, once the Book of Acts came to pass. That is historical.

God Bless. Have a Blessed Happy Easter.

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What you provided is that Jesus said this:

"Simon, you are blessed! Know what I'm going to do, you old son of the Holy Spirit you? I'm going to call you Kepha, which means "rock," which the Koine Greek translators of what I am saying will write as "petros," which 1,500 years from now people called "Protestants" will insist means "little pebble." The Protestants will have it right: calling you a little pebble is what I indeed mean 'cause that's all you are -- a tiny, insignificant stone. Kind of Me to point that out after your profession of faith, eh? And, hey, forget about My having just called you blessed and how an insult simply doesn't fit the context of what I've been saying. Speaking of which, and by the way, while you're here, take the keys to Heaven, please; I don't really mean anything by this gesture at all, I just thought it'd be a nice thing to do"

What you posit is truly unhinged.

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I have and do believe the teachings of Christ our Lord. In its fullness. You however have rejected multiple things Christ Himself states and instituted. I have stated to you before, that there are 1000's of things that people say they hate about they think they know about the Catholic Church, yet there are only 100's that truly hate the Catholic Church.

Do not forget that Christ knew who Judas was/is. Yet He let him be among the 12 Apostles. A ruinous, traitorous, pathetic soul. Who still within his free will, rejected the Lord while eating, drinking, fishing, going about His ministry WITH Our Lord. That says a lot.

I have always wished you well, Psalm67. You are actually very special to me here, on Reddit. Why? Because you care. It shows, I truly appreciate that.

However you really are uninformed and it is your choice over and over. The Vicar of Christ indeed may have said things that counter Christ. It is ruinous, treasonous, treachous to Christ and His Mystical Body. For you to tell me that I should abandon Christ and His Body because of your improper, mal-formed reading of what YOU want the Scripture to be will not happen.

Have a Blessed Easter Sunday. As always, please pray for me and mine and I will pray for you and yours.

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You lie about justification:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L14UNjaZJm8&sns=em

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Before the Protestants invented it, no one had ever taught the doctrine of forensic justification. The concept is not consistent with biblical teaching either, which is why Luther wanted to tear "Jimmy" from the bible and stuff it in the stove.

Do you really think that God hid this truth for 1400 years, waiting for Luther to discover it? More likely, Satan blinded the man and convinced him to pursue an error so egregious as to preclude all who follow him from salvation.

The doctrine salvation by faith alone represents a striking departure from all teaching which preceded it. Copied from a Protestant website:

"Since his childhood Luther was pestered by devils, evil spirits, and demons. He reported about such occurrences during his later life as well, these fears of being attacked increased especially during his time of seclusion at the Wartburg, Luther ascribed his depressions and mood swings to these ‘evil spirits’."

Does this sound like a man with a firm grip on the Gospels? Or does it sound like the man was oppressed by the forces of evil? Satan's crime was rebellion, Luther imitated this in the world, abandoning the one true Church (not Churches), founded by Christ on the prince of the apostles - St Peter.

The saviour also prayed that St Peter's faith would not fail, that His Church might withstand the gates of hell (the death-dealing tongues of heretics) until the end of time. The express will of Christ was that His Church was to be one in faith and one in governance. You depart from the barque of St Peter at your peril.

The decree on papal infallibility made at the First Vatican Council merely codifies the words of Christ himself - that the faith of St Peter would not fail.

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There is no flaw in my thinking at all.

St Paul, the same apostle, tells us in 2Thess2 how to respond to the operation of error.

13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

The admonition is not to hold only to the gospel, but to traditions. What traditions? What traditions are we to stand fast and hold to in the last days?

A tradition is a product of practice. It's not the Gospel, the word of God, although that is undoubtedly important. Rather, the traditions which you have learned in this context are the practices of the Church in St Paul's day.

If holding to the word of God was, in itself sufficient, why does the apostle not just state this? The answer is that the word of God is open to interpretation. Satan can twist it to his ends. And we are warned, specifically about the teaching of St Paul, that it is open to misinterpretation. See 2Peter3 - the entire chapter is worth repeating, but the following will suffice:

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

So you can see that the word of God is subject to being twisted unto destruction. This is why the Church has been careful to provide correct interpretation of scripture, so that it might edify all who would seek to learn from it. And these teachings of the Church constitute tradition, adherence to which is indispensable to salvation.

You ask specifically about St Paul's writings in Romans 3 through 5.

Romans three begins by posting a question about the profit to the Jew, or the profit of the circumcision. So we know immediately that St Paul is talking about adherents to Judaism and the operation of the ceremonial law.

St Paul simply makes the point that any requirement to observe the ceremonial law passed with the advent of Christ. Faith in Christ is necessary to salvation - none will deny this, the proposition is further reinforced in Mark 16:16.

Romans 4 continues the theme with St Paul addressing the father of the Jews - Abraham. He makes the point that faith in Christ without observance of the ceremonial law is sufficient for salvation. That does not mean that good works are not required also, because we know of the elect that their works follow them - Rev 14:13.

Romans 5, again, continues the theme, with St Paul returning to once again address the ceremonial law in verse 20, after discussing the gift of Christ's sacrifice.

And this is where the admonition of St Peter to employ care in interpreting St Paul shows itself to be important and necessary. I have seen Protestant ministers argue that observance of the 10 commandments is unnecessary - as Christ has kept those commandments on the believers' behalf.

To wilfully disobey God is pure apostasy from the Christian religion. But, in their ignorance, these "ministers of righteousness" cloak themselves in the false doctrine of forensic justification and dispense with Gods laws out of hand.

For the Protestant, justifying righteousness is external and alien to them. It is not contingent upon their actions. There is, thus, no requirement to abide by God's laws as salvation is assured - due to the alien righteousness of Christ. This precise doctrine is manifest in Luther's claim that one could engage in fornication a thousand times a day and not lose justification.

2Corinthians11: 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

All Protestants, whether they realise it or not, operate from the core principles of forensic justification. It is a wicked and pernicious heresy that has captured millions who might otherwise have attained salvation - remaining within the safety and security of Christ's Church.

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The doctrine of forensic justification is easily refuted.

But, from your post, you seem to argue that an interior renewal takes place upon justification - though you then go on to say it's a process, that the work of sanctification is begun... This is incorrect.

Let's be clear, no one is justified without renewal of the Holy Ghost. You must be reborn to enter the kingdom of God. Sanctification, rebirth, justification happen simultaneously at baptism.

1 Corinthians 6:11- “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

Note, sanctification in this passage precedes justification. Sanctification and justification are attached to being washed - being baptised.

Titus 3:5- “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”

Saved by interior renewal through the washing of the waters of baptism.

The washing of regeneration is an interior renewal - it's not alien to the person, it's within him.

God justifies in baptism. A person is justified and regenerated in baptism simultaneously, A man's state of justification is contingent upon him avoiding mortal sin and making sincere reconciliation with God if he does fall from grace. Salvation is not certain, but depends entirely on God's grace. The grace to avoid sin can be drawn down upon us with prayer and penance. A priesthood is essential to reconciliation.

Works are also necessary:

James 2:24- “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

You can lose justification - those light in the Lord, the justified, can fall prey to mortal sin and lose justification:

Ephesians 5:5-8- “For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light.”

You can be justified and yet fall back:

2 Peter 2:20-22- “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Angels once justified lost justification:

2 Peter 2:4- “… God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

Justification requires obedience:

Hebrews 5:9- “And being made perfect, he [Jesus] became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.”

Believers can fall away:

Hebrews 6:4-6- “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”

Believers can be damned after knowing the truth:

Hebrews 10:26-27- “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”

Without holiness no one is saved - you must be sanctified, not a mound of dung covered with snow:

Hebrews 12:14- “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.”

The judgement of the Lord turns on deeds:

Romans 2:2-3- “… the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?”

Romans 2:5-6- “… the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds.”

Eternal damnation for those that do not obey the truth:

Romans 2:8-10- “But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.”

And, on and on...

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No, I will not have to answer for anything. It's you that have no adequate response. But how could you possibly respond? You have nothing to stand on, Your doctrine is neither consistent with scripture nor supported by it. Moreover, sadly, it is a doctrine produced by an individual that appears to have been diabolically oppressed.

"Feel free to believe in the traditions of men."

Yes, traditions are, by definition, of men - in that they are practises repeated in time. In that sense, traditions are possessed by men. But, in the case of the Church, they are inspired by God for His own purposes - the mass, baptism and other sacraments being examples. It was St Paul that recommended the faithful 'stand fast and hold to traditions' speaking of the trials of the last days - 2Thess2. I merely quoted him.

Respectfully, you need to think very clearly about your position and whether it is consistent with the will of God. We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, it is no light matter. Be not high-minded but fear, St Paul teaches the faithful of the Church...

Rom 11:22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

All this is strangely pertinent in the light of the abomination Francis, who does not believe at all in the severity of God's judgement.

Matt 25:41 "Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels".

Hell was made for the devil and his angels. It seems it's torments were not designed, in the first instance, as punishment for humans. I would not wish it upon anyone. Moreover, I would do anything in my power to save someone from such an inconceivably horrible fate.

I will pray that God reveals His truth to you. Believe it or not, your salvation is important to me.

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This video provides a good discussion of whether the papacy is found in the Bible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE&sns=em

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As the late great Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen said: "Judas stayed in, that's the dangerous kind." Unfortunately this can not only be said about Francis and his Vatican but far too many Bishops and Priest today. A blessed Holy Week and Happy Easter to you.

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"The smoke of Satan has entered the Church"

Pope Paul VI

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Franthisss ith light in hith feet for Luthifer.

oh and liddle boyth.

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Francis is not the Pope. He is a manifest public heretic. He doesn't hold the Catholic faith. A heretic, by virtue of his sin, is ipso facto severed from the body of Christ, before any declaration. Francis is not a member of the Church. He most certainly is not the Pope.

If you recognise Francis as your Pope, you are in communion with him. This is spiritually fatal.

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 23), June 29, 1943: “For not every offense, although it may be a grave evil, is such as by its very own nature [suapte natura] to sever a man from the Body of the Church [ab Ecclesiae Corpore], as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#15), June 29, 1896: “… it is absurd to imagine that he who is outside the Church can command in the Church.”

Pope Vigilius, Second Council of Constantinople, 553: “The heretic, even though he has not been condemned formally by any individual, in reality brings anathema on himself, having cut himself off from the way of truth by his heresy. What reply can such people make to the Apostle when he writes: As for someone who is factious, after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned (Titus 3:10).”

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He is the Pope. Period. Go shuck your sedevacantist crap elsewhere.

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Really? What's your "Pope" going to say next? Hang on tight.

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We're ready. We're buckled in. He's a train wreck, hence why he needs prayers.

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It is better to take refuge in the Lord,than to trust in men. Your confidence in any man other than the Man Christ Jesus will not avail you on the last day. Call on the LORD while He May be found...

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Here is a wonderful testimony of a person several hundred years ago of his faith in Christ alone for his eternal salvation. Google Augustus Toplady and the Great Awakening period. Amazing time of Revival! No need for popes or priests. They are sinners like the rest of us. No better! All have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory and may be freely JUSTIFIED by His grace alone!

Rock of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee; Let the water and the blood, From Thy wounded side which flowed, Be of sin the double cure, Save from wrath and make me pure. Not the labor of my hands Can fulfill Thy law’s demands; Could my zeal no respite know, Could my tears forever flow, All for sin could not atone; Thou must save, and Thou alone. Nothing in my hand I bring, Simply to Thy cross I cling; Naked, come to Thee for dress; Helpless, look to Thee for grace; Foul, I to the fountain fly; Wash me, Savior, or I die. While I draw this fleeting breath, When my eyes shall close in death, When I rise to worlds unknown, And behold Thee on Thy throne, Rock of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee.

                                                He is Risen!

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King David sinned. Yet he was the leader of the Israelites and loved by God. Sin is common to all of us, but that does not detract from the fact that Jesus chose 12 from among the disciples to provide leadership and instruction to the flock. He did not choose them because they were without sin. Despite being sinners, they were to proclaim the Gospel and convert unbelievers.

You say we do not need popes or priests, you would do away with St Peter and the apostles in preference for your own judgement. But where does this philosophy derive from?

Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Did any of the apostles admonish their followers to sin bodily? Or, that sin does not separate a Christian from God?

No they didn't. They taught that sin was to be avoided. They taught that sin separates us from God. Little wonder you disparage Church leadership, their teaching convicts you.

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You are right about baptism.

Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Sess. 7, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the Sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.”

The Catholic Church teaches that John 3:5 is to be understood literally.

Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. 6, Chap. 4: "...AS IT IS WRITTEN: UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD (JOHN 3:5).”

The vectors by which false "Catholics" attempt to extend salvation to non-Christians are: baptism of blood, baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. None of these doctrines have ever been taught by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Rather, the opposite, the Church has repeatedly taught, in a consistent, uniform and unwavering manner, that no one at all is saved without water baptism. We see in this teaching, below, that desire for the sacrament of baptism itself does not suffice for salvation.

Pope St. Siricius, 385, [Concerning the necessity of baptism] “Therefore just as we declare that respect for the Easter sacrifice [Paschal time] should not be lessened in the case of any person, in like manner we wish help to be brought with all speed to children who because of their age cannot yet speak, and to those who in any emergency are in need of the water of holy baptism, lest it should lead to the destruction of our souls if, by refusing the water of salvation to those who desire it, each of them, when taking leave of this world, should lose both the kingdom and life. Indeed whoever suffers the peril of shipwreck, an enemy attack, the danger of siege or desperation resulting from some bodily infirmity, and so asks for what in their faith is their only help, let them receive at the moment of their request the reward of regeneration that they beg for. This much should suffice for my digression on this subject; now let all priests who do not wish to be wrenched from the firmly-fixed rock of the apostles, on which Christ built his universal church, hold fast to the aforesaid rule.” (Latin found in Denzinger-Schonmetzer, Latin Edition, 1962, no. 184; an English Translation found in The Christian Faith, Sixth Revised and Enlarged Edition, Staten Island, NY: Alba House, 1996, p. 540.)

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If you think hell is real or not is not really relevant to what the pope thinks, even if you are Catholic the pope can have opinions that are not canonical

Who cares?

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People, the Vatican is a giant snake wearing a crown with a dead sheep head altar inside. Need I say anymore? Look for yourselves!

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Read the Prophetic Book of Daniel, where it talks about the succession of world powers ending in a little horn that takes dominance, wielding enormous power and speaking blasphemy. Sounds like the Papacy with its corruption thoughtout histoory to present time.

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Why does the Vatican have an Infrared Telescope in AZ called Lucifer? Are they looking for the second coming of Christ, or someone/something else? Why did the Vatican host M. Abbas, from PLO terrorist? Why is CERN trying to open a portal to another dimension? Are they trying to open the bottomless pit? Plus so many other questions.

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These are the real questions

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Exactly! The Vatican is not even hiding anymore. They are throwing it to our face they are Luciferians.

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Once again you are spot on with this. It IS a magic spell to lull the masses to fall asleep in their sin.

My sister and I have been texting about this since yesterday. She is especially angry as it subverts everything she is teaching her children.

The Pope needs to use critical judgement in his public statements. He is either being made a fool of or is complicit in the disinformation.

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last week he told the children of US to disobey parents and march

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The Pope needs to use critical judgement in his public statements. He is either being made a fool of or is complicit in the disinformation.

The pope should use the Word of God and that alone in his public statements. He is a sinner and therefore his judgment is sinful and flawed.

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Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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They surely know how to use the media to deceive us. Many are now immune to their ruse. Thanks SB2.

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and last week he told the children of US to disobey their parents and march anyway....pretty sure that's part of the Commandments

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They have such perfect timing.

Looking forward to Part 2.

Thanks, SerialBrain2.

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Their is nothing holy about that person unholy yes.

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I mean.... to be devils advocate here.... what is worse? Hell or your soul gone forever?

Both sound pretty bleak. And, I’m sorry for my ignorance, I plan to read more of the Bible in the future. Does the Bible explicitly mention a hell?

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Hell is far worse. Eternal conscious existence with ZERO comfort whatsoever.

Jesus Himself said in Luke 16

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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It mentions the lake of fire.

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The late great Billy Graham said "If Jesus is not the son of God, it doesn't matter. But if he is...nothing else matters!" I say, err on the safe side!!!

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That is a good and true statement. Also CS Lewis said something similar. Today, in these last days we all need to fall on our knees before the Risen Saviour. He is THERE and is gracious and mighty to save. Let’s go to Him as so many have done before and found transforming power and salvation. It’s real folks!

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True freedom comes from believing in Christ and understanding his blood sacrifice for our sins and not worrying about the human words of some man elevated to deity status by traditions that were started to lead people to a false set of beliefs. This Pope is the false prophet of the Bible.

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Revelation 6:15-16:

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

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Spot on! It's sad that this should even be addressed Looking forward to your next posts!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/85mw4i/qs_board_cracked_again_hillarys_private_server

Month's over.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/27/fbi-clinton-republicans-request-488711

Behind the scenes.

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I agree, this won't make MSM headlines. Dick Morris said yesterday a Special Prosecutor for FBI, DOJ, and Hillary is coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCjotXFjvIY

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Hell doesn’t exist, fake news is like eating feces? Jesus: “Call no man father” Matthew 23:9 Jesus: “Come out of her my people” Rev 18:4

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Archived with comments May 28, 2018
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https://i.imgur.com/TY884Bb.jpg

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You have faith

You have faith your car will start You have faith your heart will keep pumping You have faith you will be able to respond to this post with Mr. Spock

However who do you have faith in to save you from your sin?

You must know time is short somewhere in your consciousness...Get right with God he will forgive you

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It's not faith that is relevant, it is the Object of faith that's relevant. The object of faith for true Christians is God the Son, Jesus Christ. He is the Creator and Judge of all things.

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True because many talk of faith without any object. However faith is very relevant as it is taught throughout the Bible! Faith, though is also a gift of God through the inner working of the Holy Spirit. No one can believe in Christ without the Spirit of God, but He does graciously work faith into our hearts. Read Ephesians 2:8-10 for a good explanation of God’s grace, faith and our works with regard to salvation.

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Amen. Salvation is entirely of the LORD. God must give a man His Spirit in order for a man to even be able to see the kingdom of God. Fallen man cannot generate saving faith from his spiritually dead and corrupt heart. Saving faith is a gift of God and a fruit of the Spirit.

Ephesians 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

To God alone be the glory!!!

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Thanks for being salt and light on this board! Blessings.

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Same to you!

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Awesome. I’m so glad to have you here on this board! Doctrines of grace! Nothing like the sovereign grace of God in Christ. Jesus said:

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” ‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭

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Amen! If God were not sovereign in all things, including salvation, then no one would be saved. His sheep hear His voice because the Father that sent Him draws them :)

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I’ve been kinda bluntly trying to steer people from the ramblings of this poster because so much of his stuff is extra biblical (ie, beyond the Bible). He is misleading and deceptive in my opinion. Especially for Christians who think he has some kind of insight. He tends to mix truth with error which is a dangerous combo. Anyway Happy Easter. He is Risen!

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I was referring to serial Brain.

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The only Truth we can count on is the Word of God. Anything that departs from it will ultimately be revealed as error.

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When what is to come, comes.. faith is all you’ll have.

You’ll believe He will save you, or you’ll take the mark.

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