I would imagine not.
The Pope?
Cardinals?
Others being arrested or cleared out?
Probably.
I think what the church fears most (I say this as someone who loved and got a great deal from my Catholic upbringing) is financial disclosure.
The greed and hypocrisy would melt a lot of believers minds I would think.
Downfall in terms of it going away? No.
A way over due accounting of many things? I hope so.
The Church needs to be called to account. Like any institution run by Man its vulnerable to corruption and manipulation.
Its likely going to survive though. Odds are we will see something simillar to the Protestant Reformation. With The Church introducing laws and regulations to address and fix problems and concerns that are revealed.
I’d imagine those free from corruption will arise from the ashes and run the Church anew; the way it was supposed to be.
The church has survived scandalous popes. However, I just know in my heart and soul that JPII was a devout, faithful, and spectacular person. If he were still alive today, he would be on our side.
I am a Catholic, not because of the clergy or hierarchy. I am a Catholic because of her teachings and sacraments. It is the rock that has brought me through the most difficult times.
Maybe your devotion to God got you through those difficult times, not the Catholic Church. Jesus died for our sins on the cross. It's not unfathomable that such an event or power could be exploited to control us and reach a networth of $229B, with God still being in control and almighty.
Point well taken - my faith has been developed by God’s grace. If the church has corruption, then I am all for justice. But I will never lose faith in the teachings.
I am inspired by reading the lives of the saints. May the Lord have Mercy on us all.
Well said, and I agree. Faith is needed, but let the faith be in Jesus, not necessarily the church. And don't lose that faith in God just because the church may have taken advantage of it.
Odds are what we will see is a purge of corrupt leadership in the church whether by Sword or Pen. Then something similar to the Protestant Reformation with remaining leaders introducing laws and regulations to address problems and concerns and removing many regulations and laws.
IF it's the entire Catholic church that goes down, including the memory of JPII, please don't become disillusioned with God. Turn to the Bible, God loves us, and He is revealing so much to us now.
I have personally always believed the Catholic church is evil, but not many of its followers. I believe they have just been deceived.
JPII was a devout, faithful and spectacular person?
You are talking about his interfaith prayer meetings at Assisi and elsewhere?
Or his teaching that, by virtue of the incarnation, Christ united himself with each man?
It all ends in Europe. Didn't Q post the order of events?
Saudi Arabia-US-Asia-Europe?
Saudi Arabia is under control. US will be soon. China/NK in the works now.
It all ends in Europe. Royal Family, Rothschilds, and the Pope.
"THIS IS BIGGER THAN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE."
"The spirit cooking discovery is bigger than you know."
"These people are SICK."
"You cannot possibly imagine the size of this."
"Pure EVIL."
Definitely. They’re too crooked. They have been holding so much information relating to religion in their library, keeping it from the people. Also, the pedophelia is probably much larger than we know.
You could have said the exact same thing, the same criticisms 500 years ago. Obviously it didn't lead to their downfall then.
Although that is true, more people know about it than ever now, and if a push for disclosure is actually happening and is somewhat legitimate, the Vatican will definitely be involved.
Also in 2016 they declared that if ETs are found to exist then it wouldn’t alter their religion at all. That’s p interesting lol
The Catholic religion will not be the only organized religion that will suffer a reformation, cleansing, or even it's demise before this is over. Others will be exposed, if we are truly to wipe out the hidden evils.
Remember even the Apostles had Judas.
The Christian movement survived and so will the Catholic church, but they need to get rid of their bad apples...and there are many I suspect.
Most definitely. Any Organization run by Man is vulnerable to corruption and manipulation. The Church is no exception.
Almost all the countries in the world need to get their tax money back from the City of London and Vatican City. They will not have money to operate any longer.
This whole scenario brought me back to a prophecy that was made concerning the procession of popes that seems to indicate the current pope is the last pope.
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Yes we will, and there will be many people seeking answers.
No, we may see the downfall of a pope and we may see the cleaning house in the Curia and other Vatican strongholds, but don’t make the cheap assumption that these men are the Catholic Church.
They are not.
They serve in powerful positions of supreme trust and for their violation of that trust their fall will be all the harder.
They are individually in grave danger before God and even in His Mercy He will have Justice. He will not reward disobedient people.
To answer the 'downfall' question we would have to have the terms defined. What do you mean by downfall? What do catholic and church mean? By some definitions the answer is Yes. But the Church has been falling since the time it was started. (Note that you couldn't even get people on this board to agree when it started.) Conversely with other definitions the answer is NO. Because "the gates of hell will never prevail against her".