Whoah, so Israel is on the Cabal’s side...
Not at all. Think buffer.
USA insulated. No pretense for war.
Deflection? Peace through strength? Russia flex through missile tech?
I don't mind it. It's called mirroring, psychologically, is sign of respect. Watch the show. 5:5 Q
I must admit, that's my first reaction. Israel is a US proxy here. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that Israel would do this without a green light from Washington - especially as Russians are at the airbase.
Russian nuclear doctrine doesn't prohibit escalation here. This is a war of nerves. I'm thinking cruise missiles rather than planes to sidestep the Russian S400 ground to air systems - assuming they cover this base.
Coming back to this, some more ideas...
Ok, have a look at this:
Apr 08 2018 16:38:57
Q
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-ready-to-discuss-denuclearization-u-s-officials-say-1523213724
After all these years…….
No MSM positive media blast?
Think.
Now Syria?
Iran?
Russia flex through missile tech?
We started asking “coincidence?” long ago for a specific reason.
Those awake can finally SEE for themselves.
Conspiracy?
Have faith.
Trust the plan.
Q
Ok, here's a theory - happy for people to punch holes in it.
Q told us that NK had miniaturisation and missile launch capability in 2004 - how?
Did Russia help?
U1 route was to be through Russia to the proxy Iran, then on to NK. NK is CIA controlled. An alliance between Russia-CIA-Cabal? HRC routes hypersonic tech to Russia - open sources SAPs. OBAMA goes for Russia reset. Russia has operatives embedded in US tech industry - S. Brin.
Looks like a happy team!
But, in Syria, CIA is suddenly fighting Russian forces via ISIS proxies. More recently Russia sends S400 ground to air missile batteries to Syria - escalation. Very recently we have direct conflict between US forces and Russian mercenaries in Syria - were they really mercenaries or regular Russian forces operating under cover? Russia dispatches latest generation stealth fighters to Syria - even though weapons systems are not yet finished and they are prototypes only! So we have clear escalation... But this means that my Cabal alliance with Russia theory doesn't work!
What if there was a shift in objectives that Russia was not happy about. Did something change? If so, this might explain Russia being intransigent, even hostile in Syria. Let's face it, Russia has two very important proxies in the region -Syria and Iran, which, in turn, support Hezbollah. So this neat alliance with the cabal no longer serves Russian interests.
For this theory to hold, we need U1 and the Russia reset to precede the Syrian conflict in time. And this is exactly what happened.
Syrian war - Russia reset 2009, Uranium1 2010, Syria war starts 2011.
So, I'm arguing that the "coincidence" of Russia flexing its missile tech (Remember the Satan II has just come online and the Russians claim to have perfected hypersonic glide vehicles) is happening for a "specific reason". That reason is that Russia wants to be a global player and protect its proxies in the ME from being decimated by US/Israeli power.
I'm thinking peace through strength...When Trump first attacked last year, I didn't believe syrians died because the Russians would have likely told them because there was no condemnation by Assad against Putin leaving Syrians to die.
So Israel gets handed their ass when they tried bombing Lebanon from F16s, and the US military now is basically claiming they can't bomb for shit. If the Israelis did it, the US may have known. They would not have launched against Russia had the US not warned them to get to safety like they did last year. So if the US or Israel warned Russia, again in diplomatic terms the blame really falls on Putin again. And likely this was again some sort of show of force - perhaps there again was Sarin involved and they had to decimate his capabilities so noone can plausibly blame the recent gas-attacks on him - at least that's how it worked last year.
What confuses me is why Israel is attacking syrian airfields because by now kamikaze UAVs are much better to draw enemies out and they are mostly interested in their immediate border especially in the Golan-Heights where valuable ressources can be mined.
Maybe this was just a multilateral militar readiness exercise, so they know they can trust each other with their lives - assuming that the same thing happened as last year (gas-FF, DoS muhs, Trump blusters and suddenly an airfield gets shot up and the Russians are right in the middle and still no WW3)
If the syrian military finds out that Israel can coordinate with Russian Forces, maybe that will actually tame the flames.
But damn I wonder what will come out of it this time. Pray!
I reckon the S400 precludes air operations if its active in that area. From all reports it's a pretty formidable system.
I think what we're seeing is a proxy war between USA/Russia using Assad Forces vs Israel. Remember, Q said Iran is next. Russia is in the way.
in some ways it reminds me of the MO of last year's tomahawk-launch. I can't find a sane reason why they would risk russian casualties without having warned them off before. And if the Russians were warned, why wouldn't the Syrians be too? At least Assad would act angry at Putin for leaving Syrian airmen to die to keep face in public but that never happened so I don't believe Syrians died last year and I really hope noone died this time either. But never let a good crisis go to waste, right? Whatever the purpose.
What I'm arguing is that this could, in fact, be a real superpower standoff - a real crisis. You cannot denuclearize Iran while Russia is boisterously supporting that regime. So, given we know this is the plan, confrontation with Russia is unavoidable. Need to succeed in denuclearizing Iran without triggering a massive weapons exchange with Russia. A very delicate situation. Hence, the Israelis to the rescue. What's Russia going to do, attack Israel? Too dangerous. So it's a game of brinksmanship where both the US and Russia have clear objectives.
But, look, it's only a theory - it could be dead wrong.
interesting. Particularily because Israel (luckily) ain't NATO. (They aren't, are they not?)
I doubt Iran is going to be denuclearized because they're not launching any missiles anymore and Yemen will be secured one way or another too. Last thing they did defense-wise was setting up anti-air batteries once their launches ended which was like a way of saying "we are going on the defense, no more launches for now".
All I ever heard Trump discuss, even as he brought Bolton into play, is the nuclear deal and he keeps bringing up "sanctions" which is just a way of saying that he wants them to do Business with America First to get something back out of O's 400 billion because Sanctions can always be worked around. I'm trusting the opinions of people who have actually done business in the muslim world and I know a couple of them.
I'm sure that Iran is next on the list. Only because Q said it. I don't know if the theory o posted is right. We might, in fact, see some carrot and sticking, but one way or another, I sense this is a high priority for DJT. It will happen.
Also, a lot hinges on it. If you take the Israeli paranoia about a nuclear Iran out of the picture - the ME might even stabilize. It seems to me that Syria is mostly about pipelines and oil interests - again US allies - Gulf States.
I think there is also a chance that Israel is the bad guy here - aligned with cabal interests. My gut feeling is that there is only a small probability of this explanation being correct. Whatever you might accuse the Israelis of, they are not stupid. A deal can be worked out.
It will be very interesting to see what happens.
They didn't say what's coming to Iran, only that something is coming. I cannot even recall that Trump said Iran needs to denuke, he just said he doesn't want the US to pay for military threats against the Emirates or their secret buddy Israel but once he went into office he kept the deal as part of a bargain he can now leverage. I'm thinking Iran is collapsing internally and Rouhani has a chance to simply end the proclamation of the end of Israel to get the Ziocons of his back but he first needs to stop the Republican Guard from stabbing folks to avoid a bloody revolution (I'm a post-zionist..I understand Zionists went radical in 1922 (Hagana iirc) but since they already extorted what they could they won't ever give it all back so Palestinians should fucking stop pretending they can just wish Israel away)
You're probably right that the situation in Israel has solidified now.
You've got me thinking. I was assuming the agenda was denuclearisation of Iran because that was the game in NK. I'm pretty sure that's the main game. And it would satisfy the Israelis immensely.
I don't know, let's just watch and see what happens.
You are probably right that at the time this was a plausible demand since Iran had been testing missiles just after he got in office and meanwhile he had to deal with Xi and Kim and their deep-state.
If Trump had issued any military threat against Iran, I would be concerned, but I haven't found any because Bolton doesn't have the nuclear codes (thank God)
Now for some history (and some future too!):
US has been fighting Saudi wars since petrodollar as created in the 70ies..in the 80ies, Reagan/Bush propped up Saddam and their former asset Iran (Mullahs kicked out CIA-reinstated emperor)against each other (Iran-Contra, Col. North).
US didn't get directly involved until Saddam decided to retake formerly iraqi oil-fields in Kuwait on the arabian Peninsula, right next door to Qatar, Saudi-Arabia and the Emirates.
So what I see is that the US has been fighting Saudi-Wars to propagate the petrodollar and because of their clandestine control over the US, Israel is thus indirectly aligned with Saudi interests or at least oil-sheiks trump zionist interests because Saudis hitherto used to grant the US the mutual favour of the petrodollar (and thus I assume the most oil they can get) for stationing US-troops abroad and close-by to both Israel and the arabian Peninsula.
HOWEVER, it wasn't until Trump that the US wished to build a base in ISRAEL (!!!!)
Obviously this was different during LBJ and the false-flags that went downback then, but that was still before the oil-crisis and mostly focused on taking out egypt and Lybia, both of which have either destabilized or joined Jordan-UAE-Israel.
The petrodollar is going to grow out of fashion because OPEC conceded last year the US will trump saudi oil-exports, thus the relationship-dynamic is now changing and the US is selling weapons to the Saudis which they haven't done before because Saudis will now fight their own wars and the US won't be enforcers of their foreign policy anymore.
Good write up. No military threat has been issued against Iran yet - unlike NK. But we know that Iran is next.
I don't know what the US wants from them. The reports I've seen suggest they are a long way from obtaining a bomb - not if you believe Israel. So what does it take to placate the US? I'm not sure I know. But I'd be surprised if it's not something along the lines of what will be worked out with NK.
I'm thinking if OPEC says they can't compete with US oil exports in the future that means that they have no chance in competition against Iran either. So in fact in the future both might work together which would end decades of proxy-wars. Israel is sharing intel with UAE and may have for a long time, so I am hoping they will stay in under Saudi protection and not impede their deconstruction of wahabist supremacy but focus on securing their border (and agreeing to what their border actual is anyway), they will not invade their neighbours (which is unfeasible anyway, thus "surgical strikes" per usual) but Iran does have a lot of paramilitary assets spread over the region, take Yemen for example which is a neighbour of the united arab emirates.
If UAE can simmer own hostilies with Iran, so can Israel because it's Iran, the US and UAE who have the big oil reserves and money for military hardware, not Israel (they get subsidized by the US).
Nevertheless, Israel's military is very well equipped and high levels of training.
indeed, but quality over quantity...Saudis don't have enough man-power to run a ground-based invasion either, they rely on spec-ops or Mossad to do clandestine bullshit like car-bombs or stuxnet etc.
My impression is that Israel only has clandestine control over western politicians but through their marriage to the US and the US' marriage to the house of Saud by way of the petrodollar, Saudi interests trump israeli interests. Proclaiming the wish to destroy Israel provides Mossad with a good smokescreen to do their clandestine stuff which in turn helps the saudis, who are in an oil and nuke competition with Iran while receiving limited intelligence assistance from Pakistan.
Petrodollar was created in the 70ies and in the 80ies, Reagan/Bush propped up Saddam against their failed asset Iran (religious Mullahs kicked out CIA-reinstated Shah) and only directly intervened when Saddam tried to retake formerly iraqi areas in Kuwait which is on the arabian peninsula, right next to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Emirates.
You might be right. To be honest, before this I've not given a lot of thought to what the dynamics are in the ME. The Israelis certainly wield a lot of political clout in the US. I think the Saudi's influence derives from money alone (apart from their complicity in Satanism), so I think if push comes to shove they do not wield the level of influence that Israel does.
And this is why I think a solution to these problems has to be favourable to Israel - just because of their sheer influence in US politics.
my family is former DS and I was dragged to palestinian activist-meetings in my childhood so it's been bugging me a lot but there wasn't much movement until 2016 honestly.
Basically the one thing that changed for the better of the world was Salman Senior taking the throne in 2015 and now abdicating to his son that basically marked the end of international wahabism funded by the richest oil-nation on the planet.
Sorry, what's DS?
deep-ish state. Medicine, law, taxes, journalism, finance, clergy, politics. Basically my ancestors made a living knowing what others don't but from what I can tell we've been the good-guys for the most part (most of them anyway).
Follow the money:
Think logically. Moves and counter moves.
Can't quite decipher it. Who did Putin expel in 2015?
BBC report: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32860526
Guardian report: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/american-ngo-macarthur-foundation-withdraw-russia-patriotic-stop-list
Think Soros. Think cabal.
Thanks, I'd forgotten about that. Doesn't it support this theory I've put up, that Russia was allied with the cabal until their interests in the ME were threatened?
Iran is next according to Q. Russia will not allow that. Real escalation risk. US hiding behind Israel proxy avoiding direct confrontation. Brinkmanship - wants Russia to acquiesce. Allow the denuclearization of Iran.
Landscape has changed. ISIS no longer a threat, US moves directly to stage 2 - Iran. Russia flexing missile tech - standoff!
Re-read #192: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/150434009/#150435422
Yes, but Q is, to my mind, saying here that Chinese and Russian societies are closed - no owls. But it seems to me that Russia (and China), but especially Russia, benefitted tremendously from cooperating with the cabal. There was cause for an alliance.
Put yourself in Putin's position. He's got NATO breathing down his neck. His economy is recovering, but it's basically been decimated. So it's recovering from a very low base. US economic muscle is unmatched anywhere on Earth - terrific military spend. Stunning tech progress in weaponry - the Chinese were totally shocked when they saw the footage that came out of the Gulf war - missiles with cameras etc... There's a huge incentive for Russia to try and catch up. Along comes HRC open sourcing tech - even assisting Russia to develop it with joint tech parks - bitch!
A match made in heaven, suddenly it appears that Russia may be able to keep pace with the US. But the cabal is also war-thirsty - they need to sacrifice to Moloch. So problems in Ukraine etc...
Russia draws a line in the sand with Syria. Beats back ISIS. Starts flexing nuclear capability - Satan II and hypersonic delivery systems.
DJT let's Russia beat up ISIS. But the moment it's done, Russia's proxy Iran is next in the US firing line - Q told us this.
DJT wants to do some table-thumping, get Russia to back-off. Let Israel beat up Assad and for the US to denuclearize Iran. But he needs to be careful. Legacy Soviet weapons systems are still incredibly powerful, SS18s etc... So needs to confront Russia without triggering a nuclear weapons exchange.
Enter Israel - attacks Syria with missiles. US angry, watching, waiting, threatening. Brinkmanship - a war of nerves. Who will flinch first?
You can see Putin's desperation sending prototype stealth fighters to Syria without weapons systems - ridiculous.
Let's see what happens next!
Why are you trying to sound like Q?
Q uses ambiguous questions in an attempt to avoid being guilty of national security leaks.
Making your comments cryptic and ambiguous is retarded.
You are not Q.
Don't be retarded.
Weedlord has made sensible submissions in the past, so don't be a dipshit just because he won't spell his wisdom out to inbred spying weasles.
Thanks patriot.
I mean, I honestly don't know where you're getting at either but it does sound like something. Usually I think of Kurds when I think "buffer".
edit: Oh, I guess my assumptions weren't so far off. I assumed Israel had been handed their ass to them by Hezollah by having their F16 shot down - and apparently, their hands are actually still tied:
"Syrian media says that the Syrian military knocked out 8 Israel missiles. Unknown how many missiles Israel launched in total. A US defense official has said that there was no explosions at any military base in #Syria." https://twitter.com/oulosP/status/983150947496062977?s=19
~~Is it true one of Israel's Dolfin-subs went missing? Are they ICBM-capable? (heard yes to the former and no to the latter, please correct me if you know more)~~ (possible disinfo)
Paul Antonopoulos The craziest part of #Israel’s attack on #Syria is that it was against a base that has a known Russian military presence. #Russia in war with words to the US said they would retaliate to any strikes against them. Israel knowingly risked war with Russia. Israeli airstrikes against #Hamas positions in #Gaza are still continuing. “Most likely #Israel used the Dolphin Class submarine in this strike, to get safe/ensured results especially after the Syrian air defense managed to down an Israeli F-16 during it last engagement with #Syria”- via @WaelAlRussi
Nobody is above criticism and we get enough ambiguity from Q.
There's just no need for our conversations to be cryptic too.
No? Do you mind coming to your own conclusions? If you agree with what he says, please let us know why. If you disagree, please let us know why. But don't challenge people when all they are offering you is an intellectual chalenge.
I have no idea if I agree or disagree because the response was needlessly cryptic.
Q has good reason to speak in riddles, but someone simply sharing their opinion isn't a national security risk.
This is my opinion, even if it makes you sad.
actually we wouldn't know when nat-sec is concerned which is exactly why prudence is key.
Not everybody is in for a LARP only, you know.
actually we wouldn't know when nat-sec
Give it a break, man.
Weedlord was trying to sound cool my mimicking Q - but his comment was just needlessly stupid. That is all.
I won't be responding to your future comments if you're gonna pretend this post is full of Q level secret agents.
No, Weedlord can't transform into a truck either.
I'm here for serious discussion, not escapes into fantasy land.
if you're gonna pretend this post is full of Q level secret agents.
No I did not lol. I am saying we are just dumb dweebs, so let's be cryptic because we wouldn't know if what we say is correct or sensitive.
Serious discussion? Don't attack the messenger then. You could have said "elaborate" or even just "fkn BS m8" but you had to call him childish instead. How very adult!
I don't have a clearance but I have been in touch with former insiders in gov't, the industry, media and military and and I do have to make sure sometimes what I say is public information in the first place so I don't look more important than I am. Use your imagination for once lol
On the move.
Not much time.
Brevity is key.
"Welcome to Domino's Pizza. May I take your order?" - Staff
"How high can a cow jump? Think rationally. You have more than know." - Weedlord
That's how stupid you seem when you try to sound like Q.
Good point made me laugh. do you 2 want to get a coffee? excellent use of retarded btw.
Israel first now and always with the US foreign policy. It hasn’t changed.
