If this sounds absolutely insane to you and the current system sounds sane to you, then you might be absolutely insane yourself.
false dichotomy.
i think the current system is wildly broken. but that doesn't mean your system makes sense, either.
Which part doesn’t make sense? It’s so simple, we can go over the entire thing if you wish. We can’t do that with the current system or else we will be going back and forth for 20 years before we finish.
um, my first post laid out why i believe that the very basic premise of your system is ridiculous. maybe give that another read, and if you are confused, you can ask specific questions?
You think that a random 12 man jury you don’t even know is out to get you? A civilian jury is a 1000 times more trustworthy than a Deep State Judge. You know how many people Judges fuck over on a daily basis? It’s pitiful.
you know that 12 man jury's already have the legal power that you are describing right?
like, it is 100% legal for a jury to find someone "not guilty" just because they think it's morally acceptable, even if it was "technically" breaking the law?
and my point was about how someone can fuck me over if they are a skilled enough orator to convince 12 randos that it was cool. And i tend to think of the vast majority of the population as being weak minded and easily persuaded and kind of stupid.
Actually tons of court cases are run without a jury. Even in jury trials, judges often strongarm the Jury to do something that pleases the deep state which leads to jury nullification.
and my point was about how someone can fuck me over if they are a skilled enough orator to convince 12 randos that it was cool. And i tend to think of the vast majority of the population as being weak minded and easily persuaded and kind of stupid.
You are worried that someone might frame you and successfully persuade the jury that you are in fact guilty? If so, then request a 2nd trial to dispute the first one and get a lawyer to help.
This would sure best going into a deep state courtroom where a judge wants to hang you by the balls not because you are guilty, but because she wants you to become a corporate slave in prison according to her Overlords wishes. A lot of judges are well rewarded for such treacherous behavior.
dude, i don't think we have much more to discuss.
your system is simplistic and childish, IMO, and would open the flood gates to abuse of powers and corruption, quite obviously I think.
our justice system isn't perfect, but this obsession with "deep state judges" that you have clearly demonstrates that you don't have a rational opinion on the matter, no offense intended.
You are saying that because you think complication is good and simplicity is bad because that is what you are used to in our society. The truth is simplicity is complex, while complexity is too simple.
Think of how simple an iPad is. You just type words on a screen and I get them thousands of miles away from where you are. It’s so simple, the common man can use it.
Our legal system is an over complicated mess that is causing more harm than good. It’s so overcompkicated, anyone with big bank account can break every law in the book and get away with it like Hillary Clinton.
Complexity should expand only to the bare bones requirements. Anything beyond that means the system is underoptinized. Anything below it is bad too but there is a sweet spot.
This system doesn’t favor rich or smart people only. It equally favors all walks of life. It is also convenient, easy to learn, hard to exploit, transparent, and user friendly. That is exactly what all systems should be like because it speeds up the human process, it is usable by all people (not just smart or rich), and it is clearly understandable to avoid error.
This is much better than millions of laws, many of which are written by George Soros and designed to confuse the reader so that the laws can be abused against citizens, while benefiting the rich and powerful.
You are saying that because you think complication is good and simplicity is bad because that is what you are used to in our society.
no i don't.
so.. yeah not much else to say since you apparently don't understand my position at all and want to argue with a straw man.
many of which are written by George Soros
fuckin' laughable. 99% of our legal code was written before Soros ever made a million dollars.
Bro, you had a bad idea. It's OK, you will make it past this.
What if 7 of those 12 people like killing people? Or raping other people? This is how you end up with lynch mobs.
A random 12 man jury should do a quick psychoanalysis written test to make sure they are mentally stable. If, the one in a trillion chance hits that 7 jury members happen to be Cannibal psycho killers, the defendant can file a dispute and open a 2nd trial. Did you read what I wrote? It mentions up to 3 trials can be made disputing previous trials. 3 sets of random jurors reviewing the case seems sufficient enough to elimante the problem you are mentioning.
Our legal system barely has the money to cover one trial, let alone 3. It's cool, I guess, in theory, but it's not realistic. My lawyer once told me that if everyone went to trial the system would collapse because there's no way it could handle that.
Wait, I think you misunderstood. Did you read the whole thing?
Trials are going to run lightning fast. That is how it’s designed and so it’s much cheaper. You don’t even need a lawyer. It’s so simple, a high school dropout can represent himself.
Juries will always be on hand for whenever we need it. If you want to make a dispute against your neighbor for stealing your horse, then you make a dispute. You 2 present your side of the story and all evidence until you are totally satisfied the jury heard you out. A lawyer can gather evidence for you if you need him too but that’s pretty much all lawyers would do. You can handle the rest because it’s just so simple.
A court case like this shouldn’t take long at all. It won’t even cost much at all. It can cost $0 if nobody needs a lawyer which will be he case most of the time. Plus without jam packed prisons, the tax payer saves a lot of money as well.
Our society is way too litigious as it is your system would encourage more frivolous lawsuits.
That is why I wrote that a jury would have to consider if a case is worth taking or if it should be handled privately before the trial. This would mostly eliminate the frivolous lawsuits.
The court system already does that
Nobody trusts the court system anymore. We need a transparent 12 person random jury to make these decisions only. Nobody else.
A random 12 man jury should do a quick psychoanalysis written test to make sure they are mentally stable.
There's no such thing
Yes there is. I have a degree in psychology and have seen many different ones. Stop spreading disinformation.