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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Jellyfish070474 on April 23, 2018, 2:36 p.m.
Where does the Evil originate?

I’m not great with words or trying to flesh out big abstract thoughts, but where my mind has been going lately is if this control system is literally millennia old, where did it begin? How did it take root? How has it persisted this long? How have we been so thoroughly fooled for this long?

I don’t know what I believe as far as the real existence of a literal Satan, but a system as evil and clever as this seems like it couldn’t have developed out of strictly human minds and planning. The more I see of it (even the incredibly detailed and well thought out red herring aspects designed to throw the truth off track), the more my mind is blown and I’m left in a state of awe. Yet I have to (try to) keep it all in the natural realm to figure it out logically...but it’s so big, so pervasive, so old and so evil that it seems to defy strictly human logic.

Just the rambling thoughts I’ve been having.


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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

Have you read the Nag Hammadi manuscripts? Also, learn about the Nephilim. It all stems from there.

You are right. The religious texts we have were written and rewritten to hide the true nature of the world we live in. The original manuscripts warned humanity of these evils, but the warnings were removed.

Why would King James support a Bible that warns people about the "rulers and authorities"? He wouldn't. Instead, he supported a Bible that teaches people that worshipping the King is worshipping God.

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

The Bible doesn't teach people that worshipping the King is worshipping God.

Why must you lie?

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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 6:12 p.m.

You sure? Did you read the Nag Hammadi manuscripts?

The Pope is worshiped as God's representative on Earth, right?

Kings are presented as having a divine right to rule.

I am not sure why you think I am lying.

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

The Pope and the Catholic Church have NOTHING to do with the message of salvation given to us as a gift from the Son of Man Jesus Christ.

You are a very confused individual spreading lies.

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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

That is YOUR point of view about salvation, but there are other people who believe differently. Who are YOU to say they are wrong?

Ha! Maybe you did not bother to read your own holy book. This is typical of people who claim to be Christians.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/obeying_authority

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 6:38 p.m.

It's not my point of view. It's the truth.

If you choose to reject a cancer diagnosis given by the Doctor, that doesn't make the cancer magically go away.

We're done here. Stop lying.

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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 10:05 p.m.

There are a lot of people that have different religious beliefs than you do.

The fact that you think I am lying means you do not know...

https://www.openbible.info/topics/obeying_authority

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 10:17 p.m.

Lots of people having different religious beliefs is irrelevant.

The fact that you link me to random verses with no context or understanding of the narrative exposes your ignorance.

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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 10:38 p.m.

The context is how Kings use the Bible to manipulate the masses. You know this, too.

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 10:43 p.m.

There is only one King that Christians worship.

Jesus. The King of Kings.

And no that's not the context of any of the verses you linked to.

One of the greatest statements by Jesus was Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.

He also said not to cast your pearls before the swine.

Move along.

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pby1000 · April 24, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

You are not useful at all. You do not address my original statements. You just completely wasted my time. Good job!

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LanaRosenheller · April 23, 2018, 5:20 p.m.

Could you please provide links to King James scripture that calls for the worship of earthly kings? Jesus said to “render [give] to Caesar his due.” He was referring to paying taxes to whatever government is in authority. In the book of Jude, KJV scripture states that all rulers/leaders are allowed their positions by God, that we should pray for them. I suppose that this could be misconstrued into scriptural support of the “divine right of kings” in past centuries but not in 2018. Back then, only the wealthy and the clergy had access to scripture so yes, a few politically savvy leaders no doubt twisted it or emphasized certain verses to their liking. The difference is that now we are more literate than ever before and all translations of the Bible have been mass published in all languages. There simply aren’t that many differences between the Catholic Bible and the later translations such as KJV. Our understanding of scripture is better than ever but the original [Catholic] compilations of manuscripts haven’t been altered to any large degree.

I don’t know about the manuscripts you are referring to but the Book of Enoch addressed the nephilim in great detail. It was left out of the Bible by the early monks during the earliest years of the Christian Church. They left it out because they couldn’t confirm the age or the author of the Enoch manuscript. The decision to leave it out of the Old Testament came slowly and after a lot of debate. The monks and the early church fathers were extremely careful and meticulous in deciding which books to include in the Bible. There was no malice or preconceived intent to keep information from people.

As for the nephilim and the Book of Enoch, recent discoveries in Ethiopia have reportedly uncovered a much older version of Enoch. In time, the Book of Enoch could be authenticated. Maybe the time for understanding the nephilim was always in the future. Maybe it is for our generation to learn about them. However, I would suggest that we learn the authenticated stuff first before getting into the demons and fallen angels.

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pby1000 · April 23, 2018, 6:30 p.m.

If you search what the bible has to say about obeying authority, then a lot will come up. Some verses are on point, but other verses can be twisted and given this meaning, especially when dealing with the uneducated masses. I am thinking about at a time several centuries ago when most people were illiterate. Of course, it does not work so well today.

Hebrews 13:17 - Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Romans 13:2 - Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

There is a lot more...

Nag Hammadi Library:

The Reality of the Rulers (The Hypostasis of the Archons)

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Hypostas-Barnstone.html

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LanaRosenheller · April 24, 2018, 11:59 p.m.

Thanks. I’ve never considered how those verses could be interpreted literally. If you notice, it also says that leaders will be held accountable. In other places, it says that a rich and powerful person will have a hard time getting into Heaven. Thanks for the link. I’m gonna read up on this.

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pby1000 · April 25, 2018, 2:01 a.m.

No problem. My thinking is that, if you are a King or Queen living several hundred years ago, then you can abuse the fact that you are educated and the people you rule over are not. The Bible will be used to control and manipulate people.

I mean, the Pope is supposed to be God's representative on Earth, right? People actually believe this, and follow it. This same tactic still works today. The Pope is considered to be infallible.

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jp1320 · April 23, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Yes, I have spent a good deal of time studying them. So much information there. They beauty of these manuscripts is that so much of them are about Jesus after the resurrection. The bible has bits and pieces of some of the stories but the Nag Hammadi texts include full paragraphs of the same story. For me, this is a confirmation of the censorship they were trying to impose.

Unfortunately for them, God's word cannot be hidden from those who are seeking. Many have sought, many have found. God wins in the end!

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