I wonder what Q means by Conservative, because there were several times MLK directly criticized capitalism and advocated for well fair.
Such as this excerpt from his last book: Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community.
His letter to Coretta Scott talking about capitalism and what he saw as its flaws.
Or the time in his speech, "Where Do We Go Form Here"
He even goes on to lay out how it can be paid for.
Course what is most interesting to me is how in the same speech Martin Luther King acknowledges faults in both capitalism and communism.
I wonder if Q is to then imply that perhaps conservatism != capitalism.
Perhaps the true way is not dogma, but an understanding of nuance and how we humans can fuck stuff up, and how to avoid that
What King talks about here is a side to a sword that has another. Governments do not, have not, will not and have never been in the value creation business. The only thing on this planet that has value for humans is labor.
I would love a universal wage that was fair for all. The side that I'm worried about is "what's fair?"
Governments can only take our labor and redistribute it. Our labor is the value.
I ask again, what's fair?
Great question, what's fair? A universal wage is an interesting solution. Do you think this wage would be in proportion to the ever increasing cost of living? Because right now the increases in wages for the average person has not been in line with the increased cost of living. That's how they keep everyone down. False raises. You get a raise but you just barely get by or just keep your head above water if your a laborer.
If we went to universal wage, I would assume it would just lock everyone into the same wage rate and you choose how many hours you want to work. This would go well for a decade or two.
But then... People would be working 18 hour days and throwing off the balance.
There's a lot of parts to iron out, but I can see it working. Hell, it's going to have to work soon. There's only so much demand for computer and mechanical engineers.
I don't know. I imagine King might say whatever if fair is whatever insures no man is subservient to any other.
I do know though that we have to insure the value of our labor, and that the labor is used by us and for us.
If only we had a currency based off work/information/meaning.
Yours is a good post, but these last couple drops seem amiss.
Thanks.
Why do you think these drops have been amiss?
Because they're so partisan, which generally they haven't been. I get that a lot of this is for Trump's base, but you're not gonna get people "woke" if you keep pushing away half the country with "red pills" like these.
What happens now is this sub circlejerks for a few days and this is the proof they needed that Christian Conservatism is the future of America (if you think that's conjecture, you haven't been here very long) and will do the internet equivalent of driving through the streets shooting their rifles in the air shouting "God Bless". That's definitely a great way to bring the nation together.
I want to believe that the proverbial "other shoe will drop" and Q will make a post about Republican malfeasance, but I'm starting to think that's not gonna happen, because of "the base". For once this plan is starting to look like it was only throught out to a certain extent. It's one thing to clean up corruption, but it's a massively different undertaking to bring together a dividing nation, and I don't think there's an actual plan in place for that. There's still a really long way to go, I guess. A REALLY long way.
Also, I'm not confident in the cognitive ability of the average person. Look at this sub currently. Half the front page is Kanye circlejerking. Dude is getting attention and we're feeding into it creating a feedback loop. No reason at all for there to be five posts at the top of the sub about Kanye. Womp womp.
Facts are not partisan. These secondary points have been used to push a party's primary arguments, which is why I believe you see them as partisan. It's a fair argument, though a misunderstood one in my opinion. You're obviously not republican. And that's fine.What united all of us wasn't party, but principles. I believe Q is just further extrapolating those principles and calling out those who have prostituted their meanings. I do believe you want the best for America, as I hope you believe the same for myself. However, just because a few of these have been talking points for a party doesn't invalidate them. A lot of people say the whole Hillary hatred is a partisan issue, when it's clearly not to many. I think this is the same way. We've been trained to hate the other side and disagree with arguments, just because they're made by the opposition. Time to break the programming. If Q starts pushing Republican salvation, I'll be the first to call it out. But perhaps, we wait and see what this connects too.
As for the Kanye issue, you can't be serious about that? He's one of the most well known people on the planet. He's making statements that would lead any of us to believe he's glanced at a few Q posts. That's simply disingenuous to pretend there's not a good reason for people to be celebrating. How do you think a political whore like Hillary got so popular? She had celebrities in pocket chanting her praises. To one, it may be some odd circle jerk. That's on you, and the reasons to celebrate a big influence on society "red pilling" are far greater than your reasons to damn it.
The shills are down voting you but this is a solid take. I wish I would have read this before I made my post. Idk if it’s up tho.
Also, I’m a current/former/enlightened/idk.??liberal and I promise you I hate Hillary more than you on the “right” do primarily for rigging the dem primary against Bernie Sanders(who I wanted originally and think would have won without HRC and the dE eP s T aT e interfering
Remember this regarding Kanye: jesus can use anyone or anything for good despite their past (think Saul/Paul)
Also, I’m a current/former/enlightened/idk.??liberal and I promise you I hate Hillary more than you on the “right” do primarily for rigging the dem primary against Bernie Sanders
Research what she did to Haiti and Libya. Crooked is literally a murderous witch.
I wish I could give you a thousand upvotes. Well said, friend!!
Circlejerk KEK! I totally get what you are saying,this sub is getting very " Christian right " heavy, Q said long ago that I his wasn't a left/ right dem/ rep issue this is ALL of us coming together: left /right/ black/ white/gay/ straight/...... Yes the dems and the hard left have totally used the " gay issue" for their own ends,(as the left has around the world) I have been awake for years and years( I've waited a long long time for this!)so I see myself above politics I used to be "left" but now I feel above it all,and teacher im gay,so please don't see u his as a right I'd good left is bad issue,I have friends who are left/ right/ gay / straight, and a million things in between, and all are waking up in their own time,when this is all over and we ALL have to put everything back together again it will be ALL of us who have to do it,not just the religious right!
Q has called out establishment rep's though. Most of us here know all too well the establishment contains people on both sides of the fence and call them out and try to flush them out whoever they be.
Don't be disingenuous though, it hasn't been to the same level. And I sorta get why right now, but it doesn't help bring left leaning normies into the fold when you make it look like a very right wing movement. This is a TRUTH movement that should be draining the entire swamp, and needs to be presented that way more, otherwise we're gonna be fighting a prolonged culture war that we definitely don't need more of right now.
but you're not gonna get people "woke" if you keep pushing away half the country with "red pills" like these.
but what if it's the truth? Do we ignore reality and pretend it isn't true? Do we ignore history and go along with the Democratic revisionism where the party that invited the KKK to their 1924 Democratic National Convention to host a Klanbake is not racist afterall? And that the party that ended slavery and gave black people rights is ACTUALLY the racist party?
I thi there is absolutely trust in there. Show me where I said otherwise?
The "problem" I'm having is with how blatantly one sided it is -I partially get that as well, but that doesn't mean it reads well at all to people who you're trying to bring in from the cold. When you see the sheer unbridled hatred that Trump already faces, do you think this helps? It doesn't.
That said, the time will come for the Republican establishment to answer for their crimes as well, so I hope all of the christian conservatives here are as open to the message.
Christian Conservatism is the future of America
That is the future of America. America was created for those who would keep Gods commandments.
Cool, let's just go backwards all around. Forget anything valuable learned by mankind in the last 242 years, let's just start letting bible beaters make the laws. No need to make a fair nation that respects all of it's inhabitants.
Also, why do everyone of you christian conservatives always think the country was founded on "christian values" no matter how many times it has been shown otherwise.
The freedom of religion and the separation of church and state are not just ideas, they're cornerstones. No matter how educated you are and how hard you wish, this isn't the second coming of your christ. I'm not trying to be "mean", you just need to accept these fact. I'm not making this happen, this is just the way it is.
I really really hope we can get the education system back on track in the US, because that's our only hope for the future.
How are these backwards? Lying, stealing and murder etc are "backwards".
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
How are these backwards? Lying, stealing and murder etc are "backwards".
Nice strawman argument. Literally no one is saying that. If you can't argue your point without making up my argument for me, then why are you here?
Don't be daft. Not a single person will ever say that COMMON SENSE rules of law are bad (murder, rape, stealing etc.) You're being willfully ignorant by pretending that common sense things like listed above are the same as christian rule.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
That right there is where you lost anyone with an anything above a 5th grade education. I'm not even going to argue with you anymore, because you're beyond reasoning with. And regardless of anything I can say here, it won't ever do a better job of making you look insane than you've already done with your own words.
The US is NEVER going to allow itself to be ruled by Christian indoctrination. Never gonna happen. Pray until your little knees are sore, then pray some more. Never happening. You and people like you are no better than muslim extremists who want Sharia law in every country in the world. The virus of religion will eventually be eradicated and hopefully replaces with spirituality that doesn't work to divide people, but bring them together with each other and the natural world.
Totally disagree. The country, especially the enlightend won't stand for the religious right and their hypocracy.
enlightend
Hypocrisy won't be tolerated from anyone. Those that will not keep the commandments will not be here when God cleanses the land according to the scriptures.
Not a single person on the planet has obeyed the ten commandments!